Thread 17778004

>"Modern Jews are NOT the same as the Jews of the Old Testament"
I don't think Christards understand the implication of this statement
This implies that a bunch of non-Jews just decided to co-opt Judaism
This means Noahide won and that Judaism is not an ethnic religion anymore
So which one is it?
Are Jews all just Ethno-Supremacist Zionists who are against white people?
Or are Modern Jews not the same as the Jews of the Old Testament and are instead just a bunch of goyim who started calling themselves Jews, and that Zionism itself just amounts to militant Civic-Nationalism?
It can only be one or the other

Christians are the same as the Jews of the Old Testament because we're the ones who follow their religion and believe in their God

>>17778010
So why not just call yourselves Jews at that point?

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>>17777170

>>17778013
That doesn't answer any of OPs questions

>>17778012
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:26

>>17778010
>Christians are the same as the Jews of the Old Testament
So what you're saying is that Judaism was never an ethnic-religion?

>>17778004 (OP)
I don't get it. Conversions to Judaism did occur, so there are plenty of Jews who likely don't share ancestry from the nation of Israel. At the same time they are an ethnicity due to how little they've intermingled with other groups. What does it matter what Zionism ultimately amounts to? Plenty of goyim who support Zionism anyway.

>>17778017
Amen.

>>17778018
>At the same time they are an ethnicity due to how little they've intermingled with other groups.
That's not really how it works though

>>17778020
I think we're working with different definitions of ethnicity here. Mine is perhaps too broad for this topic.

Zionism is just militant Civic-Nationalism (Israel is a multiethnic and milticultural country) and Ashkenazi Jews are just whites but Christians who consider modern Jews to be different from OT Jews aren't intelligent enough to complete their own thoughts so most of them fall under the "Holocaust didn't happen but should have" brand of schizophrenia

The ashkenazi are the ones who are barely 20% semitic. Sephardic and others have more semitic blood.

>>17778004 (OP)
If they're not the same Jews as the old testament, then they are not entitled to Israel as their birthright homeland, but equally are not responsible for the death of Christ. Fair?

>>17778076
20% is quite a lot considering they left the levant 2000 years ago

>>17778004 (OP)
The primary thread of continuity is the Pharisaic tradition and its successor, Talmudism. The former is largely, though not absolutely, comprised of Canaanite (specifically Edomite) maternal ancestry. The latter, Babylonian. The original Israelite *paternal* ancestry was pretty much wiped out in the Roman-Jewish wars. By Jesus' time, there were numerous groups (e.g. Pharisees, Sadducees, Samaritans) that mutually exclusively claimed to have authentic paternal lineage to Jacob. Their actual genetic background is indeterminate, but it can be inferred that they had more Canaanite than Israelite genetic background.
>tldr the main thread of continuity is tradition (defined by rejection of Messiah after Jesus), but the modern group of Jews, as well as those who killed Jesus, are/were predominantly Canaanite, not Israelite, in terms of ethnic background

>>17778088
The 20% is just the general Anatolian farmer ancestral component that most populations in the near east have.

Its not dna specific to iron age, medieval or late antiquity Judaea.

A randomly selected Iraqi or Cypriot would have closer dna to Judaea than most of isreal.

>>17778010
You don't follow his laws and regulations. Don't celebrate his holidays, don't rest on his Sabbath.

>>17778262
A randomly selected Iraqi or Cypriot would have closer dna to Judaea than most of isreal.
Another retarded antisemite bullshit

>>17778647
Neither did Abraham

>>17778647
>don't rest on his Sabbath.
this is a contemporary thing that corresponds to people becoming irreligious. in the 1910s, you'd be hard pressed to find any stores open on sunday.

>>17778080
> then they are not entitled to Israel as their birthright homeland
It's just militant CivNat. By the same logic Americans are also not "entitled" to the USA, entitlement has nothing to do with it. Jews are colonists and Palestinians are Native Americans, they lost, Jews won, simple as.

>>17778004 (OP)
It's most coherent to just understand modern jews as a continuation of intellectual throughline of the pharisees, but ethnically mixed.

Many times in the Hebrew Bible different groups convert to Judaism, so DNA link between old jews and modern jews isn't important theologically, practice is. Jews are a spiritual body designated by matrilineal descent from other jews.

From both Jewish and Christian perspective the jews being cursed and kicked around is a fulfillment of prophecy. Jews going to back to the holy land (Israel) is also fulfillment of prophecy, though as a Christian they prob shouldn't endorse it because le antichrist.

Christians saying we wuz the real jews is cringe af btw.

>>17778014
You would never admit if it did anyway, why even reply?

>>17778004 (OP)
>Judaism is not an ethnic religion anymore
correct

reap what you sow, bitch. you bastards did it to christianity first and now you get yours.

>>17780064
I'm going to convert to Judaism so I can become rich and rule the world. Clearly Christianity is the religion of meek retards who are too cowardly to just become Jews

>>17778019
So you're saying that Judaism has no ethnonationalist basis then?