>you shall have no other gods before me

Why didn't he mention his son Jesus?

>>17802220 (OP)
He did. Did you not catch the
>me
? Are you stupid?

>>17802241
>>17802241
>three people are actually one person or something

trinitarians are mentally ill

Not before. But after is ok

Old Testament- old covenant - the ark - old god
New Testament- New covenant - christs sacrifice on the cross - new god
shrimple

>>17802261
>>17802268
Have fun burning. Also, avatar posting is against the rules.

>>17802321
dont forget to dilate your neovagina

https://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/revela.htm
It is easy to miss.

>>17802261
God is a 10th dimensional being not some old guy in the clouds. He can be everything and do anything everywhere at all times for eternity. Yes he can be 3, or 300, or 3000, or 300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

>>17802400
>Hinduism is monotheistic
Kek

>>17802220 (OP)
Well he did if you squint reaaaaaally hard and misread random verses to be totally talking about Jesus.
>>17802403
Actually, some strains of it are.

>>17802410
Considering an explicitly polytheistic religion that conceptualises all of reality as emanations of a supreme consciousness is not first commandment compliant, but it could well be about as monotheistic as the trinity, that being not at all.

>>17802422
>Considering an explicitly polytheistic religion that conceptualises all of reality as emanations of a supreme consciousness is not first commandment compliant, but it could well be about as monotheistic as the trinity, that being not at all.

But it is

>>17802403
I’m not familiar enough with Hinduism to comment on it

>>17802422
Are you saying God couldn’t be multiple things at once while also being singular? Why? Does God need to obey Human understanding or universal law?

>>17802220 (OP)
>Why didn't he mention his son Jesus?
Because God is not a Man. God is God. Man is Man. God has always and will always exist. Jesus was born and died like a man.

Ergo; Christ is not God.

>>17802487
Are you saying God couldn’t become a man? Why?

>>17802481
Because that’s not what the Old Testament says. In it God is clearly one consistent person that consistently refers to itself as one and strictly condemns any partnership, association or equality with another personage. Even Christians themselves cannot agree with each other within their own religion how you are supposed to square this circle. You can’t, it just doesn’t make sense.

>>17802527
>God couldn’t
God could do anything. Hypothetically, he is indeed capable of taking on the form of a man.

The question, however is what God CAN do. It's what he IS and DOES do. God is clear he is eternal, infinite, and perfect. Men are none of these things. Therefore, God IS NOT a man named "Jesus".

>>17802481
He'd certainly had disclosed it if he was. Rather than obliquely implying that was the case through disparate sayings recorded in four different witness testimonies (two of which weren't actually written by witnesses and of which one is just some dude's investigations).

>>17802220 (OP)
Literally the exact same guy

>>17802220 (OP)
Because Jesus is YHWH.

>>17802529
>Because that’s not what the Old Testament says.
lol
>>In it God is clearly one consistent person
>person
God can reveal as much as “he” wants and as little as “he” wants and can do anything. He can be singular in the Old Testament and then become more because he’s GOD.
>>17802532
He is eternal, infinite, and perfect. He can be everything and nothing all at once at the same time for eternity since he’s GOD. He can simultaneously be a greater than 10th dimensional being and a guy and he can be that for eternity.
>>17802534
>"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."
John 1:1-3

>>17802321
>Have fun burning.

Are you a child lol

>>17802568
>God is CAPABLE of doing thing!
>therefore, God DOES thing!
This is a perverse subversion of God's very Word. God is capable of casting all Men from his graces. Will he do it? No, because he is clear that he loves us. This farcical view of God's nature can be used to justify any vulgarity.

Again, God is capable of all things. This doesn't mean he automatically engages in whatever your twisted mind imagines him doing? No.

>>17802220 (OP)
Jesus said this.

>>17802321
>have fun burning.
How very Christ like. But I'm sure you'll just go about your merry way and change nothing.

>>17802618
Never said that

>>17802220 (OP)
Compare Isaiah 45:22-23 and Philippians 2:9-11. Both say that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

>>17802220 (OP)
All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional

Politics is Treachery
Religion is Brainwashing

>>17803038
euphoric

>>17802614
>>17802648
>"trinitarians are mentally ill"
>"ok have fun in hell"
>"WOOOOOOOOOWW NO HATE LIKE CHRISTIAN LOVE RIGHT GUYS?!?!"

>>17802721
Isaiah says nothing about jesus; why are you lying?

>>17803100
Isaiah is about Jesus.

>>17803099
>>"trinitarians are mentally ill"
True, one of the most meaningless concepts ever created

>>17803103
No it isn't, 45 it's about the end of the babilonian exile; why do you keep lying?

>>17803105
You are the liar actually.

>>17803105

>>17803108
And yet you coudn't make a single counter point; makes you think, mr liar

>>17803110
Yeah that is still not talking sbout jesus; 45 is clear, why are you leaving out the context?

>>17803112
52 ends the context of the Babylonian exile and begins the prophecy of the suffering servant.

>>17803111
There was nothing to counter.

>>17803112
Serious cope

>>17803115
I accept you concession

>>17803119
Actually I accept yours.

>>17803114
False, it's he continuation of the prophecy, the servant is israel; it's clear from the previous passages, lying won't help you

>>17803117
Serious lack of text comprehension

>>17802568
The doctrine of trinity was synthezised out of this and many other utterings from the four gospels. Which for the record are not self-validating documents. In fact, John specifically may very well be a document of Gnostic authorship.
>>17802721
Paul is presupposing here, being generous. In context the verse is fully interpretable without Jesus; Godis almighty, God is inevitable. At worst he could be maliciously quoting the passage in Isaiah.

All Christian attempts to insert Jesus in the old testament are like this.

>>17803120
>can't give any pushack but infantile "no u"
God isn't sending his best!

>>17803123
They are just retroactively reading their own beliefs into the Prophetic books (without anyone being able to ascertain without a doubt if they are right or wrong). This by itself proves nothing because tendentious reading of documents to favour your cause is worthless as evidence.

>>17803121
>the servant is israel
that wasnt the interpretation of pre-Jesus jews and you know it. That's why Isaiah is considered to be a "messianic prophecy"
if the original jews thought this was "just the nation Israel" Matthew would never refer to this prophecy in 8:17, and Jews would never consider Isaiah to be referring to a person.

>>17803122
>>17803124
You're just a trolling atheist retard though. How embarrassing

>>17803123
>In fact, John specifically may very well be a document of Gnostic authorship
This is the kind of absurd claim that should lead you to disregard secularist interpretation.
>In context the verse is fully interpretable without Jesus
It certainly is not, Isaiah 45 is messianic prophecy.

>>17803133
The servant is israel in the previous passages, you have no argument for why it suddeny isn't; the hole prophecy loses coerence

>>17803134
Not my problem you can't read your own book; jesus is dead btw

>>17803137
>It certainly is not, Isaiah 45 is messianic prophecy.
The messiah there is cyrus; not your magic carpeter

>>17803148
>>17803150
Mad

>>17803137
>This is the kind of absurd claim that should lead you to disregard secularist interpretation.
Why? It's first recorded use was by disciples of Valentius. It contains radically different Content, Christology, etc.
>It certainly is not, Isaiah 45 is messianic prophecy.
Correct. But he is seemingly referring to Cyrus here. First Versicle begins:
>Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

Oh wait this is a troll isn't it.

>>17802220 (OP)
Because Jesus is not the Son of God. The NT is essentially feelgood fan-fiction.

>>17803146
>The servant is israel in the previous passages
again wrong. Before 52, the previous time "servant" shows up ins when Isaiah is talking about himself in 50:8-11.

>8 He who vindicates me is near.
> Who then will bring charges against me?
> Let us face each other!
>Who is my accuser?
> Let him confront me!
>9 It is the Sovereign Lord who helps me.
> Who will condemn me?
>They will all wear out like a garment;
> the moths will eat them up.
>
>10 Who among you fears the Lord
> and obeys the word of his servant?
>Let the one who walks in the dark,
> who has no light,
>trust in the name of the Lord
> and rely on their God.

in 52, God is speaking to the Nation of Israel about his plan to redeem the nation, then he goes into detail about how he iwll using his suffering servant.

Have you read your own prophets, jew?

>>17803156
>still no agument was made >>17803171

>>17803171
So the servamt is either the prophet or israel; there is still no place for jeebus, stay mad

>>17803160
>Why?
John is literally the anti-Gnostic polemic. What does John 1:14 say? Ptolemy's interpretations are outlandish and anti-contextual, the only interpretations comparably as ridiculous as Gnostic ones are those of Mormons and yourselves.
>It's first recorded use was by disciples of Valentius
It was quoted by Ignatius.
>It contains radically different Content, Christology
It does not.
>Correct. But he is seemingly referring to Cyrus here
So it was in the reign of Cyrus all the ends of the earth turned to Him and were saved, and every knee bent and every tongue confessed?
>Oh wait this is a troll isn't it.
No, but this is a cope

>>17803171
>jew
Like jesus your king?

>>17803171
He's not a Jew, he's an atheist troll.

>>17803180
>understanding the bible is trolling
No wonder christianity is failing

>>17803176
the point is, your
>"muh servant needs context"
is retarded, because "servant" has no over arching context throughout Isaiah.

Isaiah is specifically referring to himself as a servant in 50
God is specifically referring to HIS servant who will suffer in the place of humanity in 53 as part of his plan to redeem Israel mentioned in 52.

>>17803182
>>understanding the bible is trolling
you don't understand the bible. You've read Talmudic responses to verses on reddit without actually doing any research yourself.

>>17803185
He's a troll, he doesn't care, he hates the truth and loves lies, and he only replies to waste your time.

>>17803185
>is retarded, because "servant" has no over arching context throughout Isaiah.
It does though; why would you ignore the context if not to shoehorn jesus in? It's clear the whole thing is about the end of the exile and the restoring of israel as a sign of yhwh's power to the nations

>you don't understand the bible. You've read Talmudic responses to verses on reddit without actually doing any research yourself.

Baseless accucations aren't an argument, you know you are wrong

>>17803193
Crashout

>>17803196
>It does though;
that's not a rebuttal or an argument.
I accept your concession.

>>17803204
>runs away from explaining why the cotext shoud be ignored
Another massive L fror christlarpers

>>17803206
The burden of proof is on your to show this "secret context that only jews know about"
I've given you 3 chapters of Isaiah proven to have complete discontinuity between prophecies and "servants".
your response?
>its does though
You've lost.

>>17803209
>can't atually explain why the context should be ignored
>has to derail to avoid answering
Christ has fallen....

>>17803212
what context am i ignoring? That's literally what I'm asking for.

>>17803214
>playing dumb
Pathetic really

>>17803218
kill yourself.

>>17803220
>reduced to puerile insults
I rest my case

>>17803185
>Isaiah is specifically referring to himself as a servant in 50
The prophet was long dead by the time Deutero-Isaiah wrote this chapter.

>>17803267
Circular reasoning.

>>17803271
But I didn't make an argument? I just clarified the consensus of top Christian scholars from top Western universities that Isaiah only wrote the first 39 chapters. If you're some rebbe from a yeshiva school who believes the fantasy that the book has fewer than 3 different authors, any historical discussion about it is going to be pointless.

>>17803267
>>17803273
regardless if that's the case, Israelites during the time of Christ believed and preached the entirety of Isaiah, which is confirmed by the dead sea scrolls and the Septuagint, both dating back to nearly 300 years before Christ.

>>17803273
>But I didn't make an argument?
You did reason a circle, though.
>I just clarified the consensus of top Christian scholars
That is incorrect, the mythology of Deutero-Isaiah is distinctly naturalist.
>the fantasy that the book has fewer than 3 different authors, any historical discussion about it is going to be pointless.
It is good that you should run away fool since you could not defend your false beliefs.

>>17803285
I do kinda feel stupid for trying to inject actual history into a fantasy discussion about a dead guy supposedly writing a chapter about himself, as seeing as you're some sort of a crypto-Jew it was always impossible for you to ignore your programming (ultimately deriving from the Talmud) that demands the book is a single-author text. Carry on then. God bless you and I hope you find Christ.

>>17803300
>I do kinda feel stupid
You should.
>impossible for you to ignore your programming (ultimately deriving from the Talmud)
You are an idiotic clown.
>God bless you and I hope you find Christ.
Taking the Lord's name in vain in this mocking way will only increase the judgement on you. This moment will echo through your mind for eternity.

Not found: argument. Concession: accepted.

>>17803309
>You are an idiotic clown.
But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

>>17803314
You are not my brother.

>>17803318
You are mine, because Talmudism isn't incurable.
They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

>>17802220 (OP)

They are one and the same

>>17803373
Jesus is not El Shaddai.

So is it summerfags or bots that make these threads over and over? Any supposed chosen people or superior master race of any demographic would certainly not rehash the same tired routines over and over. Am I supposed to believe that any of you are real human beans?

>inb4 shadow banned
Errr I mean I love the totally real and organic discussions that get nowhere! This place isnt curated and pruned deliberately at all! Ohhh great dark masters pls spare meee!

>>17803865
Shut it, Jew.

>>17803100
Jesus is God, so yes both passages are about the same thing.

>>17803206
But you didn't refute a single word.
>>17803958
>neo Nazi freak shows up to play "Christian"
Just stay out of it man. You make us look bad.

>>17803202
You lost.

>>17802220 (OP) He is talking about a God, in the likes of him (impossible). You shall not try to substitute Perfection, because this is impossible. You'll only be able to find something that is less than God.

We are one in Christ. Think about that one when you consider the commandment in question. Also with God all things are possible, and we are gods. Further God is perfect, and therefore beyond our sentiments. That does not mean whatever is printed and force fed to you is necessarily correct. Be wary. Procure wisdom in the utmost, and be perfect as you can conceptualize. Revelations speaks of deceptions effective enough to fool the very elect. Keep that in mind as you all proclaim damnation and ignorance of one another. Seek truth. And remember the kingdom of heaven is within you.

>>17805247
>Also with God all things are possible, and we are gods.
You're mixing two different quotes and getting the context wrong here. It is true that Jesus Christ did say, in Matthew 19:26, that with God all things are possible. But notice what else He said right before that: "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

So with men being saved is impossible, and only with God are all things possible. You don't want to forget the first part of what Jesus said. So as Paul said, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." (Philippians 4:13).

Your other quote, "and we are gods," comes from a completely different context. See the source, Psalm 82:6-8.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations." (Psalm 82)

>>17805247
>Revelations speaks of deceptions effective enough to fool the very elect.
"Revelations"? Are you referring to the book of Revelation? If so, you should know that's not where that quote actually comes from. What you have attempted to quote comes from the Gospels.

Jesus in the Gospel made prophecies about the end times. See the Olivet discourse from Matthew (also in Mark and Luke) which I will directly quote below:

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before."
(Matthew 24:23-25)

Notice what Jesus says here. He does not say that there are "deceptions effective enough to fool the elect." That is a total mischaracterization of what is actually said.

What Jesus actually says is that "if it were possible, they shall deceive" the elect. The implication is that it is not possible to deceive the elect in this way. So Jesus adds the qualifier here, effectively saying that they are trying to do so.

So, in the Gospel, Jesus says, "if it were possible" they would deceive the elect, He did NOT say, "deceptions effective enough to fool the elect." Massive difference from what you were saying.

>And remember the kingdom of heaven is within you.
In Luke 17 it says this:

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
(Luke 17:21)

So the Lord said here, "behold, the kingdom of God is within you." And the word "you" is plural, rather than the singular "thee."

So the actual point of this quotation is that the kingdom of God is within the crowd. That is why He says "within you" (plural) rather than "within thee" (singular). In the KJV, the two would be written differently. And this is true, because as Paul said of the church in 2 Corinthians 5:20, we are "ambassadors for Christ."

>>17805264
John 10:34, had to go look up the exact verse Christ reminds us of that verse in Psalms.
>>17805283
It means precisely what it means. What use is a deception if it is not effective? Look at how the churches and beliefs between Christianity, Islam, and Judaism invariably bicker. They judge and scoff and condemn one another over matters large and small. Then again what use is the devil if his rebellion is not entirely geared towards outdoing God rather than being contrarian and ruinous? Though I personally think Christ should have tricked the devil during the tests and took the kingdoms and then simply removed the devil and his supporters entirely, and then returned to heaven after, or otherwise just purged evil itself from the world and the hearts of men. And yet the kingdom of heaven is within man, as little as men can do supposedly I find this confounding to say the least. But I go about between all the verses and interpretations. It is easier for me to resolve to faith in absolute good, mercy, and justice for what they would be and mean, in their absolutes. What greater vengeance is there against evil, than to save all against their will, and do away with the notion of evil and darkness forever anyway?

What use is a choice in the context of such a place as this? And if my words mean nothing, the opposing argument then defeats itself. Because it would be predetermined even with all the good and mercy I could muster in my heart. What is bound and loosed betwixt heaven and earth? Is the kingdom of heaven not within man? Faith without works is dead. So then what of my will to thwart or intervene? But all suppose God is as man and never thinks of such ideas. If a lowly being as myself can, God could think of it and even better ideas. But others do not. And that I find insulting to the perfection that is the Most High.

The Book of Mormon is no deceiver

>>17805362
Here's my take: do actual good, be wary of the world and its institutions, and be mindful evil will wear any mask it can and wield subtle influence as well as overt oppression when it suits its needs. Indeed for all we know any one of the denominations could be the right one. And yet even if I chose right, I would rather myself be thrown in hell than have most of the planet's population be cast into a lake of fire. What good is it for me to be free if others are eternally tormented? Why revel in that? And yet so many do. Almost gleefully. Because they see only the moment and exterior of another being, and not who they could be or could do for others with the understanding of what is best. Somewhere along the way I started to question the way people rationalize the suffering of the wicked. The wicked already suffer. They simply cannot feel it. If their bodies were afflicted with lesions and boils but could not feel them, you would pity. But it is within them the pain resides, and about them in the darkness that whispers in their ears. We are to be perfect. I do not accept that a single soul should have to burn. And even of the gnostic interpretations many debate I find it hard to imagine a demiurge not wanting to outdo the Monad and entirely change the paradigm. If God could relent in the days of Noah, He can relent in these times too of the course taking place.

>>17805344
>What use is a deception if it is not effective?
The same reason why, according to the Bible, that satan tried to tempt Christ (see Matthew 4, Mark 1, Luke 4). He still tried to do it even though it was useless and futile.

As it says, "There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD." (Proverbs 21:30).

>Look at how the churches and beliefs between Christianity, Islam, and Judaism invariably bicker. They judge and scoff and condemn one another over matters large and small.
Truth is not a democracy. What is true remains true even if very few are left to acknowledge it. Even if there are only seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal (1 Kings 19:18, Romans 11:4).

Second, worldly success is not a good sign of allegiance to the truth. See Luke 6:26, "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."

Yet to those whom God entrusted to take His word to the world, He told them, "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." (Matthew 5:14).

>>17805344
>Though I personally think Christ should have tricked the devil during the tests and took the kingdoms and then simply removed the devil and his supporters entirely, and then returned to heaven after, or otherwise just purged evil itself from the world and the hearts of men.
I believe all things were meant to happen according to the way they were written in Scripture. It says God is longsuffering, and not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth. See 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9. So the world won't be brought to an end until the last person who is going to be saved has come in. Just as it says that God closed the door to the ark in Genesis chapter 6, only when everyone who wanted to be inside had gotten on board, and not a moment sooner.

"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?"
(Matthew 26: 52-54)

"Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none."
(John 18:7-9)

>>17805344
>What use is a choice in the context of such a place as this?
It means that no one will be forced to worship God, that's all. But everyone who would choose is predestinated to. The Lord made sure of this, according to 2 Timothy 1:9, etc.

"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
(2 Timothy 1:9)

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
(Romans 8:28-30)

"But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day."
(Proverbs 4:18)

"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
(Proverbs 16:4)

>>17805378
It is an abominable thing to ponder, that God would merely make things to suffer for eternity for the sake of any. And that is not the thoughts of men to contemplate eternity in such a way. Because it gives me no joy, and no joy would ever be found on my face if I were to make it to heaven, to know all myriad of otherwise decent people who could be found or otherwise made, of those who would burn in a lake of fire. We are to love our enemies. There is no greater love one can give than to lay his life down for his friends. John 15:13. When judgement day comes, I will offer my life for the sake of those who were deemed chaff. Our faith in what is good should be absolute. We should be perfect, at least as we can be.

>>17805390
>Because it gives me no joy, and no joy would ever be found on my face if I were to make it to heaven, to know all myriad of otherwise decent people who could be found or otherwise made, of those who would burn in a lake of fire.

To this I would say, trust in the wisdom of God. That which created all things will be capable of judging. Consider these two Bible passages.

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."
- Proverbs 3:5-6

"Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment."
- Job 34:10-12

>>17802220 (OP)
Jesus isn't before God.

>>17805411
He is eternally co-equal with the Father.

"I and my Father are one."
- John 10:30

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
- Colossians 2:8-9

>>17802357
>faces the slightest pushback
>immediately begins thinking of trannies
This website has damaged you.

>>17805396
I most certainly try. Though I will note that it is and always has been of concern to me, that scripture can and has been scrutinized for its use to manipulate and control in all religions. If evil is permitted to cannibalize, sacrifice, and torture people endlessly on this plane of existence, do you think they would stop there and not rig religion against the masses too? You think evil worries about the words or scripture and its warnings? Clearly not.
>>17805503
Indeed that second verse, you should reflect upon carefully. There is much truth in the Bible. And indeed even you yourself spoke of misinterpretation. I believe in faith above all else. Wisdom is important too. Be wary of evil. You stated the elect could not be deceived so easily in the end times. Do not grow complacent in that sense of security. Do not conclude on limitations of evil to act in this realm, be it past, present, or into the future. Remember what is right.

And I am acutely aware I have come full circle to arrive at the conclusions I have given my own experiences in life. That is between me and God. Each person has their own relationship with Him.

>>17805503
He said the father is greater than him. God is not co-anything with anyone. All were.created by him.

>>17805503
I hope you realize that it is a great sin to give God an equal and it keeps you away from the blessings of God to do so. You must believe in the truth: God is One and there is no one like him.

>>17805795
>I hope you realize that it is a great sin to give God an equal
God is triune. He is one God in three persons, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This is indeed what the Bible teaches.

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
- Philippians 2:5-11

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
- Isaiah 45:21-23

"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
- John 5:18

>>17805795
>Muslim - "I hope you realize that it is a great sin to give God an equal"

>Jesus - "The Father and I are one! Before Abraham was I am!"

>Muslim - "insallah Jesus was Muslim!"

>>17802261
>God can't have three forms
Maybe this is the hylic condition. Kind of like not being able to imagine an apple or not having an inner monologue.

>>17806496
If you knew anything about Muslims you'd know they all believe the Gospels are corruptions and farications. Invalid argument. And also circular.

>>17806581
>Muslims you'd know they all believe the Gospels are corruptions and fabrications
while also confirming them multiple times throughout the Quran.
Is this the most intellectually empty religion there is?

>>17802220 (OP)
He hadn't been born yet.

>>17806512
He can't be three separate people, because people are inherently individuals. You can't have three people being the same god, only three gods. Unless you're implying he's a shape shifter, which would be a heresy btw

>>17806630
Three persons, not three people.

>>17806630
> because people are inherently individuals
unbiblical `
>22And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him. 23And the man said:
>“This is now bone of my bones
>and flesh of my flesh;
>she shall be called ‘woman,’
>for out of man she was taken.”
>24For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
How many flesh for how many persons, anon?
This sets the precedent for saying that two persons can be one existence, so why can't God be more than one person in One Divine Existence?

>>17802220 (OP)
Let US make man in OUR image.

US. OUR.

>>17806716
Yes, in Genesis it's assumed the Father is speaking to the Son, here.
The "royal we" is legitimately absent from the entirety of the Old Testament, it would be weird if it only appeared here.

>>17806722
The royal we is a literary device that was invented in the medieval period.

>>17806697
One metaphorical flesh, they don't literally become one flesh. Christians believe they're all literally one god not just three gods united in purpose.

> IF ONLY I WAS BORN AFTER THE YEAR 33 AD, THEN I COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED

>IF ONLY MISSIONARIES HAD CONTACTED MY REMOTE AMAZONIAN TRIBE'S VILLAGE BEFORE I DIED, THEN I WOULDNT BE BURNING IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY

> IF ONLY I HAD BEEN BAPTISED BEFORE I DIED OF A CONGENITAL DEFORMITY SHORTLY AFTER BEING BORN

>IF ONLY I HADNT BEEN BORN IN A NON CHRISTIAN COUNTRY THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN AAAAAAAAAAAAA, NOW I HAVE TO BURN IN UNIMAGINABLE AGONY FOR ENDLESS TRILLIONS OF YEARS

This is what Christians actually believe.

>>17806740
try again.

>>17806747
If this was true you'd see catholics spontaneously appear on other continents without ever interacting with them, yet this never happened.

>>17806755
there's a difference between following the natural law of God, and following the civil law of God by performing the sacraments.
The natural law of God is written on everyone's hearts, regardless of faith.
You can't murder someone, even if you've never heard the Gospel.
Paul points this out in Romans 2:13-16
>13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

>>17806716
They're aliens. YHVH is not god at all. He is a space dictator.

>>17806738
>One metaphorical flesh, they don't literally become one flesh.
Unbiblical. It clearly says here : "24For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be UNITED (BECOME ONE) to his wife, and THEY will become ONE flesh."
Whatever interpretation you hold that isn't a literal union of flesh into one existence is a heretical view of marriage.
>Christians believe they're all literally one god not just three gods united in purpose.
Yes, and?

>>17806784
Nigga literally believes people merge into one giant blob of flesh upon marriage

>>17806793
nigga yourself, the flesh is the biblical term for the body. What that passage means is that they literally become one existence of two persons through marriage
I don't know how else to put it, it's clear enough. The persons are still distinct - so no blob of flesh - but are of one body, one existence.

>>17806812
Except that's not what the trinity is, it's three persons who are all 100% god, not three people in a union.

>>17806815
Is God a person? What do we believe "God" to mean here? Some guy who went into a cloning machine or something?

>>17806819
The trinity is just incoherent. It's not three people who are of a shared purpose, they are three people who are all fully god. Not sharing it, but actually fully 100% god according to theology.

>>17806815
Search for the etymological origin of "union", it might shock you.

>>17806828
Stop using the word "people", it's God. Trying to paint God into a human framework is what's incoherent.

>>17806833
That's how its described by Christians, three persons, one god.

>>17806830
But the trinity isn't a union, it's a being.

>>17806833
>Trying to paint God into a human framework is what's incoherent.
Why'd God set the precedent then :
>Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
He even says He did so explicitly that we knew we were entitled to rule over all of Creation beneath Him.

>>17806847
Did he say the people were Gods? Is this the argument we're using now?

>>17806843
A being is a conscious unitary existence.
A union is the act of being joined or existing in simultaneous unity as separate objects.
The Trinity is both, they are not mutually exclusive BECAUSE God has one Will and one Essence.

>>17806849
no, the argument is that trying to paint God in a human framework is intrinsic to believers of the God of Abraham because Man was literally made in His Image to begin with.

>>17806854
And we don't hold the same impossible powers that God holds, so what's your point? Man reflecting God's image doesn't mean "Hey, that means the trinity is like 3 human people in nature!". You see how that makes zero sense in the context of an all powerful God?

>>17806850
The trinity isn't a union, it is three beings all equally god, not three beings who come together under the banner of the term "god"

>>17806865
Meaningless gobbledygook

>>17806900
>Lol Judaism is so simple
>That silly trinity? That's a big problem that people need to twist themselves over
It's not that fucking complicated, unless you're some retarded Jehovah's Witness.

>>17806908
>3 actually equals 1 because it just does ok
>if it doesn't make sense that's because it's le divine mystery

>>17806923
Yeah it does, it's God, he's based like that and can do things you can't even fathom. Three is one, get pooped on, kid.

>>17806931
>it doesn't make sense. that means it's true

>>17806934
>It doesn't make sense, because my knowledge respository includes meme images and verses I kind of half-read that were posted on here.
>Wait, what does it mean to be in God's light? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE EITHER
That's (You) right now.

>>17806940
So basically
>the fact that it can't be explained means it's true

>>17806960
It's something understood, not grasped. There's a difference.

3=1, the union of God, this we know. The exact "how" of it we don't grasp, because we don't need to. It's God, leave it at that. Nobody needs to overheat their chimpanzee brains trying to figure out the specifics of how God can do it.

>>17806993
>stop asking questions just accept desert book

>>17807063
>You mean you can't describe how an all powerful God can pull off such a thing?! Why can't you spoonfeed me!
No, I can't, dummy. Now, go play a video game on Steam or something, because your bad faith tard tactics is stinking up the joint.

I automatically assume everyone who claims not to understand the trinity is lying, or borderline retarded. It was explained to me when I was an unsaved 9 year old, by an unsaved Catholic priest, and I immediately understood it.

>>17806993
>we don't grasp
Heresy

>>17803911
It's possible Chud Anon alone is making all of them. But we do know at least one Jeet is also in on it, so it could be just those two.

>>17807224
>It's possible Chud Anon alone is making all of them.
obsessed

>>17807087
There's a part of them that thinks they can get away with pretending they don't understand it. There are people running around who don't want to know the truth, and who seriously think that playing dumb will be an acceptable excuse when it won't.

It's the same with a lot of other things that people pretend not to understand all the time. The underlying issue is that their allegiance isn't to the Truth, but to something else. This causes them to stumble at the most basic ideas, and be completely unable to get past them, like the eternal punishment of hell, which is God's vengeance – or that the natural universe cannot create itself because that goes against its own laws. These are the kinds of things they struggle to accept, choosing instead to continue in a kind of self-imposed ignorance, a self-imposed exile from the truth itself.