Which is the biggest stain on America? Historically speaking of course.
>Genocide of Natives
>Slavery

I would argue it isnt slavery necessarily, it’s the treatment of blacks post slavery that allowed that wound to fester

Vietnam

>>17802394 (OP)
Neither of those are stains nor are they specific to just our government.
The biggest stain on The United States was our senseless brother war where we spent 4 years destroying the flower of our people's youth to empower a tyrannical government which can now compel our formerly free people to submit to an almighty federal power.
Our next great stain was instituting an unconstitutional income tax, creating an independent and private national bank, and setting the 20th and 21st centuries up for failure by our morally reprehensible decisions to intervene in European politics in defense of international finance.

>>17802396
Sensible viewpoint. History would be a lot different if reconstruction succeeding in integrating the freedmen

>>17802394 (OP)
>Genocide of Natives
Everyone does that.
>>Slavery
The real mistake was importing them in the first place. Morality doesn't even factor into it. It was simply a miscalculated cost that ended up being more expensive than just paying white trash to pick the cotton.

The real answer is the creation of the federal reserve.

>>17802394 (OP)
Independence

>>17802406
its sad, were essentially 100 years behind the 8 ball. we need a racial reckoning, but of led by the lefitsts

>>17802411
not led *

>>17802411
You already tried that in the 60s. You need something to bring the country together, not plunge it deeper into a race war.

>>17802412
>>17802414
Oops. I apologize

>>17802414
race war will never happen, blacks are too few. Hispanics outnumber them now
but things will not get better until America as a people stops seeing people by their skin color

>>17802417
>until America as a people stops seeing people by their skin color
I unironically think the Right-Libertarians the currently control the government are doing a much better job in this regard than the Bush-era neocons or the Obama-era NeoLibs (DEI is to whites what Jim Crow was to blacks, it's a bad solution for racial injustice)

>>17802427
I agree. I have a lot of issues with the current administration but racial issues have taken a big step forward as opposed to how it has been.
I supported trump as a liberal/libertarian, and while he’s done some stuff I absolutely dont agree with fundamentally I have a difficult time saying I don’t like what im seeing

>>17802394 (OP)
>Slavery
Mainland North America only imported 4% of slaves during the slave trade (the vast majority of slaves went to Latin America and the Caribbean because they were constantly being worked to death), the U.S. abolished importation of slaves in 1808 and countries like Brazil and Cuba continued slavery long after the U.S. stopped.

>>17802394 (OP)
>Which is the biggest stain on America? Historically speaking of course.
Anything post 2001.

>>17802394 (OP)
In the last hundred years? Propping up Israel, and it isn't even close
Vietnam, Korea, even Iraq could all be justified at least in theory by future historians. There's no justification for Zionism as it's a genocidal ideology based in religious hillbilly superstition

>>17802450
>genocidal ideology
Based.

>>17802450
It’s christian zionism. Goes back to newton. Look into it, western philosophy is founded on it

A certain 2003 ruling against Texas.

Ellis Island

>>17802450
well that's just rubbish. Zionism isn't a "genocidal ideology", Israel is rightly defending itself from the mindless aggression of its neighbors.

>>17802394 (OP)
The constitution.

>>17802394 (OP)
>Which is the biggest stain on America?
Being deracinated shoggoths.

>>17802450
>genociding native Americans
There's nothing to justify leftychud, it was conquest pure and simple.
>America taking land from Mexico and Spain
There's nothing to justify because the weak must fear the strong.
>colonizing Africa
We don't have to justify ourselves. We could, so we did.
>Israel does all of these things
NOOOO THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH THE MORALISTIC FRAMEWORK OF LIBERALISM. ITS A GENOCIDAL SETTLER STATE LIKE EVERY OTHER STATE IN HISTORY BUT THEYRE JEWISH SO IT MAKES MY ASS HURT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN USUAL

Kek. There's nothing funnier than watching right wingers become blue haired anti racist leftists when Israel is mentioned.

>>17802509
Dilate

>>17802394 (OP)
The British for not treating the so called patriots the way the Boers were in 1900.

>>17802507
Cool, it's still a hillbilly superstition
>>17802666
Where did I say I was right wing?

>>17802666
If Jews are so strong then why do you want US funding so bad?

>>17802667
>I will use an insult against gays to mock you for insulting gays!
>HA that will show that bigot!

This is like you calling me a nigger for saying I don’t like blacks

>>17802394 (OP)
>Genocide of Natives
This happened unintentionally.

>Slavery
If not the worst, this is among the worst things to ever happen in America. It should be noted that those who call themselves Jews owned many of the slave ships and were the primary beneficiary of the Atlantic slave trade.

My answer is neither of the above, but rather what I am about to describe below:

The current worst crime being committed right now is the blood sacrifice of unborn children being massacred every day, like animals, by the abortion industry and those who go along with it. It is a human sacrificing ring, like those who in ancient times would offer their children as burnt offerings to idols such as Moloch.

There is even a storage facility of human remains (of murdered children) at the University of Pittsburgh. From this facility, which is run by people associated to planned parenthood, they illicitly sell, for profit, the body parts of children who died by abortion. The mainstream media has worked to cover up this fact by straight up lying about the facts, because the sale and auctioning of these organs and body parts is supposed to be illegal.

This abortion industry, which for America started in the late 1960s, is equally as immoral as slavery if not worse.

>>17802772
>who call themselves Jews owned many of the slave ships and were the primary beneficiary of the Atlantic slave trade.

Enough, you brought them here, you wanted them here, you supported slavery the European dna in my blood and millions of Black Americans are living proof it was just a Jew operation. Was the popes that condone the slave trade Jewish, was the founding fathers jewish, was the entire confederacy government full of Jews?
Did people volunteer to fight for war for slavery Jewish?

Did the adernd Slave masters from North to South with Non Jewish Names and was from Northern Europe not Eastern Europe where most Jews reside Jewish?

You would have been an proponent of slavery then and even now you would have supported slavery. You're devil like the Jew that writes your goy checks.

>>17802792
>Enough, you brought them here, you wanted them here, you supported slavery the European dna in my blood and millions of Black Americans are living proof it was just a Jew operation.
What in the world are you talking about? I was born in the late 20th century. How did I bring any slaves here?

>Was the popes that condone the slave trade Jewish, was the founding fathers jewish, was the entire confederacy government full of Jews?
The entire world practiced slavery until the Brits made it illegal in 1807-1833 and started cracking down on it. The United States made it illegal later. But there were always people who wanted to end slavery as early as Roger Williams in the 1630s.

The only reason there isn't still slavery in every country is because Europeans and Americans ended it. If it was left to Africans and others, they would still be enslaving people, even today. These people would probably try to enslave me and my family if we didn't stop them.

>You would have been an proponent of slavery then and even now you would have supported slavery.
That's funny because I just said it's possibly the worst thing that ever happened here a second ago. Try reading next time.

>>17802394 (OP)
I'd say slavery because it seems less historically inevitable. Like white people were always going to spread across the big, sparsely populated continent with plentiful resources, and in doing so they were inevitably going to come into conflict with the natives, and that would end badly for the natives. Plus sometimes natives were dicks and provoked retaliation, I mean they were human as well. This is not to justify every broken treaty or genocidal action on the part of white Americans, but you know, I think there's some level of moral complexity there that muddies things. Slavery on the other hand would've been easy to avoid if it had simply been banned early on. The country didn't need it. Just don't have slavery, it's that simple.

>>17802394 (OP)
>Lincoln
>Russian Famine Relief Act
>FDR
>Lend-Lease aid to the USSR
>not glassing the Soviet Union 300 times

>>17802450
>There's no justification for Zionism

Israel and Gaza, one of these is a Western-style democracy, the other is a totalitarian state ruled by a discount-Arab-bazaar-Nazi-Party that has been caught engaging in everything from whole embezzlement of foreign aid to flagrant perfidy.

>>17802646
By doing the mindless violence first? Also, don't their enemies then, by that logic, have the right to defend themselves pre-emptively from the mindless violence of the zionists in turn? Eye for an Eye (especially if you are going around doing pre-emptive eye poking) is a crap way to deal with others. It's a good way to keep your people united under your rule though, nothing like everyone hating you to keep you together against them, right?

>>17802394 (OP)
Becoming the hegemon of the West.
We're Carthaginians and we play the role of Rome poorly.

>>17802394 (OP)
>Lincoln
>allowing non-whites to vote
>Russian Famine Relief Act
>FDR
>Lend-Lease aid to the USSR
>not listening to McCarthy
>JFK Camelot bullshit
>not glassing the Soviet Union 300 times
>support for genocidal retards like the Guatemalan junta in the 80s that was using Mayan villagers as target practice
>Vietnam
>Penn Central
>not glassing the Russian Federation 600 times
>post-9/11 erosion of civic culture and entrenchment of securitocracy/deep state (granted a lot of the mass surveillance shit and extraordinary rendition actually pre-dates 9/11, but the attacks basically got it all rubber-stamped as legal)
>invading Iraq on utterly fallacious pretenses
>Abu Grabass

>>17802450
>There's no justification for Zionism

Israel and Gaza, one of these is a Western-style democracy, the other is a totalitarian state ruled by a discount-Arab-bazaar-Nazi-Party that has been caught engaging in everything from whole embezzlement of foreign aid to flagrant perfidy.

>>17802901
I think Dirlewanger was right to bring Western democracy and freedom to that repressive Warsaw ghetto

>>17802666
Your post is vile and indeed satanic, anon. I think you know you're wrong.

>>17802646
>>17802901
>Israel is rightly defending itself from the mindless aggression of its neighbors.
>Israel and Gaza, one of these is a Western-style democracy, the other is a totalitarian state ruled by a discount-Arab-bazaar-Nazi-Party that has been caught engaging in everything from whole embezzlement of foreign aid to flagrant perfidy.
Not this again. At some point you have to learn that these people who call themselves Jews are just as primitive and barbaric, and just as sodomite (if not more!) as the cultists they are trying to replace. They are vile sodomites and that is the culture they have been trying to promote everywhere they go, no matter what. If that gnostic cult had never existed, there wouldn't likely be anyone trying to normalize sodomy, abortion, etc. right now. These people are also impersonating another people group when they claim to be connected to the Biblical Jews. There really is no justification for Zionism at all on any level.

Plus, they are trying to push for maximum illegal immigration (see ADL, etc.), which is reprehensible hypocrisy.

The amount of evil that this group has caused is immense. The only thing I can compare it to is the old Italian mafia in the mid-20th century, but on a larger scale. They are like a mafia that has completely corrupted much of the world. I believe we need something like the Maxi Trial to occur, but at an order of magnitude larger to expose the criminality of this promiscuous, and blatantly sodomite cult that falsely calls itself Jews. Just look up all the sodomite activists of the past; they were all part of this cult. It's their media that promotes it too.

What the other anon said is indeed right: Zionism is nothing other than a huge stain of dishonor on everyone who is duped into supporting it. It is right up there in terms of evil with the worst communist atrocities and terrorist attacks. Extremely degenerate.

>>17802831
>What in the world are you talking about? I was born in the late 20th century. How did I bring any slaves here?

You know what I meant using the term "you" stop play coy.

>The entire world practiced slavery until the Brits made it illegal in 1807-1833 and started cracking down on it. The United States made it illegal later. But there were always people who wanted to end slavery as early as Roger Williams in the 1630s.The only reason there isn't still slavery in every country is because Europeans and Americans ended it. If it was left to Africans and others, they would still be enslaving people, even today. These people would probably try to enslave me and my family if we didn't stop them.

The Europeans literally increase slavery globally first destroying the Natives than relying on Africans. You cause the global slave trade and increased whatever regional one. You can't get credit for something you started and then ended. And didn't even end slavery just confine it to the colonies. If you read 13 amendment slavery is still legal today.

>That's funny because I just said it's possibly the worst thing that ever happened here a second ago. Try reading next time.

It was worse because you're suffering from the consequence of emancipation of us without repatriation. Not because the act was done but because you didn't send us back afterwards you're not remorse about the deed you remorse that you didn't got rid of us.

>>17802925
The Jew is no different from the Aryan considering how the Aryan is caping and is defending its massa like slave.

We see Whites defending Israel at least right wing ones.

Psychopaths using Christianity to cause a civil war to coup the government to turn the US into a runaway diesel engine shooting sparks while the whole world keeps dumping gas into it and the engineers have an ear to ear toothy smile as smoldering oil splashes their goggles

>>17802404
>to empower a tyrannical government which can
As opposed to the tyrannical one that disenfranchised white people to give more jobs to niggers while ensuring they consistently made up 50% (not even counting mulattos of all shades) of the population?

>>17802394 (OP)
>Which is the biggest stain on America? Historically speaking of course.
Probably murdering people all around the world.
The US killed 4 million people in vengeance after world trade center.
Like that's almost as many jews Hitler murdered.
I don't get why the US is so much better than Hitler honestly. The US has probably murdered more people than the nazis ever did. And for far worse reasons.

>>17802450
The whole Israel thing is just an excuse to have a base in the middle of the Middle East. It's entirely geopolitical interest. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>17802394 (OP)
slavery because it got them niggers in their country

>>17802666
Israel isnt an example of might makes right retard, its a parasitic entity that has taken control of the strongest military power in the world and is using it as a golem to fight their enemies while simultaneously receiving unlimited gibs and playing the victim

>>17802394 (OP)
1492 onward – European contact (starting with Columbus) initiated violence, disease, displacement, and systemic extermination of Indigenous peoples across the Americas. This marks the beginning of what can be called the genocide of Native peoples, even though the term "genocide" came much later.

Early 1500s – Spanish and Portuguese colonies began importing enslaved Africans, but this was in the Caribbean and South America at first.

1619 – The first enslaved Africans were brought to the English colony of Virginia, marking the formal beginning of African chattel slavery in what became the U.S.

So... the biggest stain in America's history was the genocide of Native peoples.

drumpf

>>17802394 (OP)
Allowing third worlders in is the biggest stain on America. Our government started it with the best of intentions, but we imported the third world and the third world we became.

>>17804213
You became the fourth world.

>>17802755
>>17802925
>>17803428
/pol/tranny cope. If what Israel is doing is so bad then give your house to some native Americans.apologize to niggers for enslaving their ancestors.

Oh you won't? Then you're a fucking kike to me all the same.

>>17802394 (OP)
>Genocide of Natives
you'll want to retrace a few conquistador expeditions. and the aztec cocoliztlis. "mysterious". mm.
>stain
i'd say the corporate shit. for banan.

>>17802406
>>17802396
We did do that. Now we have a gold statue of george floyd.

>>17804237
White America has already been destroyed, but when it existed the justification was racial/civilizational supremacism. Jews can't build a high civilization so they don't have this justification. All they can do is scream about how Yahweh gave them the land in their schizophrenic dreams

>>17804237
Aryans controlling more land objectively improves the world while Jews controlling more land objectively makes the world worse. No contradiction is present.

>>17803368
>It's entirely geopolitical interest.
I disagree. The "whole Israel thing" is a dead weight to America's geopolitical interests. From an American standpoint, there are already U.S. bases in the Middle East that have nothing to do with Israel. Diplomacy to every country in the world, as well as domestic politics, would be infinitely more effective and it would be much better without the backwards Israelis constantly dragging everything down. From the standpoint of the average person, if those who call themselves Jews and Israelis would disappear from the global stage and from politics, it would instantly improve literally everything. A concrete way forward for civilizational progress would become available, and healing would finally become possible.

The problem currently preventing that is the continued presence of the people following this ideology called Judaism, who keep swindling and falsifying everything they possibly can, degrading trust and discourse in a revoltingly immoral way for their own entirely self-centered benefit. If I could make one single change, and the ideology of Judaism were gone tomorrow, many of the worst and most pernicious problems that we face would be alleviated almost instantly and healing and recovery would be possible. It would be like breaking the grip of a mafia organization that makes people live in fear of it. People would finally be able to begin to trust each other again. I like to imagine what it would be like in a world where the constant drumbeat of Judaism's vile and pernicious lies, repeated ad nauseam as they are distributed through the media, would finally stop permeating every aspect of society.

>>17804599
>Pic
Jews simply existing is not proof of a conspiracy anon

>>17802394 (OP)
The fact that neither went far enough.

>>17804604
In-group hiring discrimination is. It's literally against the law.

>>17804604
Correction: they only claim to be Jews. These individuals have nothing to do with the people in the Bible who are identified as "Ioudaios" or Jews.

>>17804610
That means they're all just white people then, because this implies modern Judaism are just a bunch of Noahide Goyim who decided to call themselves Jews.

Slavery. The natives declared war on the United States more often than not, so I won't feel bad about my nation defeating those who would challenge it for supremacy of the continent. Nor do I feel any regret or sadness about my nation conquering the people who lived here.

Slavery, though, is a moral blight on this country's soul, and moreover the legacy of slavery pollutes our nation to this day with inferior subhumans.

>>17804616
>Noahide
That's a talmudic term that doesn't actually mean anything from a biblical standpoint.

>because this implies modern Judaism are just a bunch of Noahide Goyim who decided to call themselves Jews.
They are gentiles in the biblical sense, yes. That doesn't mean they suddenly aren't an evil cult organization or mafia-esque crime family type of entity, which is exactly what they are.

>That means they're all just white people then
I oppose this ideology no matter who holds it, whatever race they are. Someone has to expose what is going on here, just like how the Sicilian Mafia had to be exposed and tried by the government of Italy during the Maxi Trial.

>>17802394 (OP)
their support for israel

>>17804626
Noahides don't follow the Talmud. They follow the Torah. You haven't read the talmud either so why bring it up?

>>17802394 (OP)
>which was worse
>Genocide of Natives or Slavery

Neither was bad, both were good and we should do them again.

>>17804749
>Noahides don't follow the Talmud. They follow the Torah.
This means as much to me as a Mormon trying to explain how to get to Kolob.
>You haven't read the talmud either so why bring it up?
Because it's a cultic term not found in the Bible. You seem to have very little consciousness or self-awareness of the fact that your use of it outs what you are as a cultist.

>>17802394 (OP)
Cult of castration.

>>17802646
im going to go steal your house at gunpoint and then defend myself from your mindless aggression of trying to get your house back

>>17802394 (OP)
None of it is a 'stain'. America is a great and powerful nation with a fascinating history and culture. The only problem it has is not accepting that the Founding Fathers were hypocrites in their treatment of negroes.

>>17802404
>Neither of those are stains nor are they specific to just our government.
The US still practices slavery, just sayan.

>>17802394 (OP)
Neither, I believe that train of thought to be bullshit: everyone who participated in those events is dead. However I can't object to the english and the Americans being crucified through it because they are its inventors, so they are being hoisted up by their own rancid petard.

>>17805925
I don't see people in chains and picking cotton. Retard

>>17802396
Trvke. But it really just boils down to racism for both. Other conquering nations may not have treated their minorities equally but they have always given them some chance to integrate into a society. But in the Anglo-American society blacks were locked at the bottom of the caste which was a very Indian like behavior from whites IMHO. I understand why the dehumanization of blacks occurred, but once slavery ended for real whites really needed to answer the civil rights questions then and there, not push it a hundred years in the future where their descendants were forced to make that choice. But i guess it shows you change takes time and a huge reason southern whites were opposed to civil rights was because it was forced instead of introduced naturally.

>>17802404
>Our next great stain was instituting an unconstitutional income tax
it was created with a constitutional amendment, ding dong

>>17802450
>>17804599
You have to go back, Aziz.

>>17806052
right and enacting an amendment to the constitution to institute an income tax against the better wishes of the founders as outlined in our constitution was a great stain on our nation

I found that most people who make a big issue of the XVI Amendment probably visited www.ronpaul.com while high. Truth is before the XVI Amendment most government revenues came from tariffs so you were still paying either way.

>>17802394 (OP)
jewish control and lack of resistance to it.

>>17806054
>Defending zionism, communism OR mohammadism