How did the concept of Hell evolve throughout history?
Because the Bible doesn't mention Hell that much, hardly at all. It mentions Sheol sometimes, but it's not associated with eternal hellfire. It mentions the Lake of Fire in Revelation, but it doesn't explain anything about it being a place of everlasting torment.
So was Hell just a concept invented by the Catholic church?

>>17810213 (OP)
>How did the concept of Hell evolve throughout history?
People have known about it since before the days of Noah, because it's real and "people" like you have been going there for thousands of years. Tick tock.

>>17810231
I just find it strange, you'd think there'd be more verses detailing such an important concept in the religion

>>17810246
We have all the verses we need.

>>17810231
Sorry, I can’t hear you with Jesus’ throbbing cock in your mouth

>>17810231
>>17810253

> In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

> Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire

those 2 quotes are just from the book of Jude

when prots/pagans/schizos reject 2000 year old dogmas because of MUH CATOLHIC CURCH it really goes to show how morally bankrupt Protestantism is

thats right, you dont need "man made traditions" or the "pope of rome" to tell you what to think! you prefer to follow that random youtuber with 23k subs. that's REAL christianity, other christians for 2000 years were all wrong. except you and that youtuber.

>>17810328
>Prots under the cots
This is your mind on Popery.

>>17810328
What does this have to do with Protestantism? No Protestant reformer rejected eternal conscious torment.

>>17810304
>Islam
Not canon

The quick lowdown

Sheol is the realm of the dead in judaism. both righteous and unrighteous go there, a place of silence, darkness and stillness. The fire and punishment symbolism came from the valley of hinnom. A place south of Jerusalem historically associated with idolatrous practices, burning refuse and dead animals. Becoming a symbol of corruption and destruction. From this qet Gehenna which is basically the same idea. Greek hades influences it as well. Tartarus also. Fast forward a little and we have Dantes 9 circles, contrapasso. Reformation challenges notion of purgatory...

>>17810328
I’m not even a christfag but every mainstream Protestant sect acknowledges the existence of hell.

Now what IS pure fanfiction is Catholics inventing purgatory.

>>17810354
ibn arabi was sufi iirc, they aren't really 'islam' and a lot of them revere the bible and jesus and sort of honour all teachings as they are mystics and not dogmatic

>>17810328
The Book of Jude quotes the Book of Enoch (the first reference to the Lake of Fire). Despite the Book of Enoch being decanonized, Jude still remains, and Revelation picked up the whole “Lake of Fire” thing.

In Enoch, the Lake of Fire is simply a place for the evil angels, and it’s not implied to be eternal. More like an angel incinerator.

>>17810424
>Now what IS pure fanfiction is Catholics inventing purgatory.

I believe there were some judaic sects that believed something similar first. I'm to lazy and don't care enough atm to look it up.

Also, the poster below me is going to hell and he deserves it

>>17810495
Fails to use period on last sentence. Enjoy burning while you scream in agony dickhead.

>>17810387
A literal dump. Gehenna was where they burned bodies and trash. Jesus was saying you'd be discarded by God if you mess with him

>>17810213 (OP)
It was invented by pagans as a place where the Titans were imprisoned but also for extremely evil people to suffer punishments (like Sisyphus or Tantalus). Christians equated the Titans with the fallen angels found in books like Enoch, so Tartarus is mentioned in the New Testament but only as a place of punishment for fallen angels (e.g. 2 Peter 2:4). Meanwhile Gehenna is mentioned a lot as a place of destruction for unsaved humans in the end times. But Gehenna and Tartarus got merged into a single idea of hell, probably because the Greek Tartarus had humans in it as well, so instead of being destroyed they thought of people being tormented eternally.

>>17810231
Whoa! Why so spiteful, religion of peace?

>>17810545
He takes the Bible at complete face value

>>17810213 (OP)
Mixture of Sheol (itself taken from near eastern notions of the afterlife ultimately going back to the Sumerians) with the Greek Hades, or rather the view of Hades that was promoted by philosophers and mystery cults since the time of Plato.

>>17810231
Shouldn't be hard to provide proof then right, jew?

>>17810213 (OP)
Jigoku (hell for silly gaijins like you) is a tumult of dimensions, I'm a demon (rawr) so liek, you kinda view it in a religious lens, and you should not. I hear US govt opened a gate towards Tenebrous Dinension, and bad shit pappened, that's like, a dimension in Hell.
Do you understand?

>>17810213 (OP)
>Because the Bible doesn't mention Hell that much, hardly at all.
This thread again.

"The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow."
- Psalm 116:3

"But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell."
- Proverbs 9:18

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
- Mark 9:43-44

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."
- Luke 16:22-24

"For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains."
- Deuteronomy 32:22

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
- Isaiah 66:24

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
(Revelation 14:10-11)

>>17810213 (OP)
picrel

>>17810231
This is the greatest post to have ever been posted to 4chan

>>17810354
Kek

>>17810495
>he's never heard of orthodox aeriel toll houses

>>17810542
That's a myth. Gehenna is the Valley of the Lamentation, or Gehinnom, which is attested to in the Bible. It's a place just outside of Jerusalem where ancient Jews used to offer ritual human sacrifices. They would throw animals and humans alive into fires. It was only a scandal when they threw infants in there too.
>For they ( = the Jews) do not eat the sacrificed [animals], but burn them completely at night and by pouring on them much honey and wine they waste away the sacrifice more quickly, lest the all-seeing [sun] becomes a spectator of the terrible [deed].
>For these ( = the Jews) were the first to sacrifice both of other animals and of themselves (i.e., also human sacrifices), having done this out of necessity and not from desire.
>And they built the high places of Baal, which are in Gehinnom, to set apart their sons and their daughters unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into My mind, that they should do this abomination; to cause Judah to sin.
>And he defiled Topheth, which is in Gehinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.

>>17810213 (OP)
The concept of hell is a grotesque patchwork of fear, manipulation, and philosophical overreach, born not from divine revelation but from human imagination run amok. What started as a vague, barely-mentioned afterlife idea in scripture was hijacked by theologians like Augustine, who twisted it into a tool for control, justifying eternal torment to enforce obedience. Medieval poets like Dante then injected hell with a sadistic flair, turning it into a theater of nightmares that bore no resemblance to anything remotely biblical. Philosophers like Aquinas gave this monstrosity a false veneer of logic, elevating it to intellectual respectability, while fire-and-brimstone preachers used it to terrify the masses into submission. At its core, hell is nothing more than a theological scarecrow—propped up by centuries of fear-mongering and creative embellishment—designed to dominate, not enlighten. Far from a divine truth, it’s a human-made horror story, weaponized for power and control.

Belief in hell is the ultimate triumph of fear over reason, a mental state born of cowardice and cultivated ignorance. Those who fall for it have been brainwashed into abandoning their own critical faculties, cowering before an imaginary torture chamber conjured by power-hungry theologians and charlatans. They are so consumed by terror of eternal flames that they willingly surrender their autonomy, trading their ability to think for themselves for the hollow promise of salvation. It’s not faith—it’s intellectual servitude, a self-imposed mental cage where fear dictates every thought and action. These individuals are victims of centuries of psychological manipulation, so conditioned by guilt and fear that they can’t even entertain the possibility that the horrors of hell are nothing more than a grotesque lie designed to keep them obedient. They aren’t faithful—they’re hostages, too broken to demand their freedom.

>>17810774
The passages from the OT that you quoted are out of context or mistranslated.
>Psalm 116:3
The Hebrew says Sheol
>Proverbs 9:18
Same as above
>Deuteronomy 32:22
Again, Sheol, the passage is also not about punishment in the afterworld, but rather about Yaweh's wrath.
>Isaiah 66:24
This is the only passage in the OT which even sounds like the later christian vision of hell, but this is partly because Jesus quotes the passage in Mark. In context and without being primed to read it as a description of a fiery afterlife in another dimension it actually seems to describe a literal pile of burning bodies with nothing indicating conscious suffering.

>>17810213 (OP)
The modern concept of Hell is a popular misreading of the NT

>Sheol
This is basically the same as any European pagan underworld, i.e. Hades.

>Gehenna
The 'Valley of Hinnom', this was a place outside the walls of Jerusalem where dead bodies were dumped and burned, with some suggestion it was used for old pagan rites. By the NT (I think?) it was used as a metaphor for punishment, but doesn't necessarily mean eternal burning

>Bosom of Abraham
David Bentley Hart renders this the 'Vale of Abraham', using a different (possibly more likely) meaning of the same word). This seems to be a kind of underworld with some good parts and some bad parts

Stan Rock give a good overview of it from a universalist standpoint:
https://stanrock.net/2014/06/04/a-visit-to-sheol-parsing-hell-in-scripture/

>>17810934
>Stan Rock give a good overview of it from a universalist standpoint:
Thanks

>>17810213 (OP)
>Because the Bible doesn't mention Hell that much, hardly at all. It mentions Sheol sometimes, but it's not associated with eternal hellfire.

Matthew 18:8 - And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Matthew 25:41 - “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Jude 7 - just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Retard.

>>17810972
Also

Matthew 25:46 - And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

>>17810934
>>Stan Rock give a good overview of it from a universalist standpoint:
>https://stanrock.net/2014/06/04/a-visit-to-sheol-parsing-hell-in-scripture/
interesting read, honestly didnt realize that the Hades mentioned in the New Testament was the same as Sheol, but it makes sense to me

>>17810972
>>17810973
ah, damn, ok, so i guess hell is real if Jesus says so

>>17810979
Indeed, OP is ignorant.

>>17810982
i think just confused

>>17810976
Yeah I think it conceptually makes sense that cultures around that region (Greek, hebrew etc) would have a similar-ish idea of an underworld. I think the stark heaven/hell split we have now would be a pretty big departure from the ideas of that period, it makes more sense that souls just go to the usual underworld after death, with the paradise/punishment split happening after Time ends

I'd be interested to see a survey of which cultures globally believed in an underworld after death. If every culture came to the same rough conclusion naturally then it seems logical to conclude that's what happens

>>17810934
>This is basically the same as any European pagan underworld, i.e. Hades.
In Psalm 116:3, it says, "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow."

Notice where it says, "the pains of hell gat hold upon me." The underlying word is the Hebrew sheol. It says there is pain associated with hell.

>By the NT (I think?) it was used as a metaphor for punishment, but doesn't necessarily mean eternal burning
In Mark 9:43 the word "gehenna" is used.

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"
- Mark 9:43

Again, there is no possible way to miss this. It is talking about a fire that shall never be quenched. In the next verse Jesus emphasizes, "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." There is no possible way to miss this except being oblivious on purpose.

Luke 16:23 uses the other word, "hades." Again it talks about torment and flame. There is once again no possible way to miss this if you are being serious about studying what the Bible says.

The people who go around saying the Bible says nothing about hell (or basically nothing because it's hard to deny it completely) are lying boldly, or just uncritically repeating what someone else told them.

Hell (sometimes translated "the grave" in the Old Testament) is a place of pain and torments where the dead are, and it is also directly associated with fire at least since the book of Deuteronomy was written (Deut. 32:22). People just collectively decide to play dumb not to see this, but it is written right there. It is written in unchanging black and white and it hasn't changed in all this time.

There's no mention of hell in the old testament

Several verses even affirm you stop existing after death

Hell as a concept was stolen by rabbi Yeshua from the Greeks and used as blackmail to scare people into his cult

>>17811033
>Again, there is no possible way to miss this. It is talking about a fire that shall never be quenched. In the next verse Jesus emphasizes, "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." There is no possible way to miss this except being oblivious on purpose.

Gehenna is where the fire is never quenched because that's where they burn bodies. Christ is using this as a metaphor for punishment. This does not mean you are consciously burned for all eternity

Your post reads like you think everyone is lying to you or trying to trick you. In reality many people just don't feel the NT teaches both a loving God and eternal conscious torment

does the OG abrahamic religion, judaism or whatever, they dont believe in eternal torment or hell, do they? that should help explain it, right?

>>17811033
Sheol simply means grave

Christians retconned this and retranslated it to hell later on

>>17811051
>In reality many people just don't feel the NT teaches...
In 2 Peter it says, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

There is only one truth, anon. You can't change it by feeling like it should be different, that's not how reality works.

>This does not mean you are consciously burned for all eternity
Yes it does, anon.

>>17811065
The bible literally teaches heaven is a literal unironic kingdom in the sky. Both prophets and Jesus affirm this

The fact this isn't true means we can throw your semetic cult into the trash

>>17811068
have you ever been up in the sky? no? then stfu

>>17811068
>The bible literally teaches heaven is a literal unironic kingdom in the sky.
The only way you can come up with this conclusion is if you purposefully read it in the most literal way possible, which nobody did and is borderline bad faith reading, everyone understood that Heaven is another realm of existence.

>>17811121
Cope

>Elijah in his physical body no less was taken up to heaven as a chariot of fire flew to the sky

>Jesus to legitimize his divinity returns to his father by flying up to sky and go back to his sky kingdom

>>17810213 (OP)
I dont have too much to add, just wanted to say thats a great album. Might be Slayer's best, close contest with Reign In Blood

>>17811137
Yeah, Slayer is great, they've consistently made good music their entire career. Even a lot of their music that's come out in the past decade have been good too, imo

>>17811130
No one's saying Heaven is not a real place that you can go to, just that it's not literally up in the sky.

Heaven: the kingdom established upon the earth by the Son which is maintained by his people
Hell: outside of it where the demons torment the lost for all time

>>17811142
Cope all you want that's what your religion teaches

>>17811150
>COPE COPE COPE AHHHHGHRH

>>17810795
wow everyone has been using it wrong then, going to hell is a GOOD THING because it's akin to serving as a sacrifice to God.

>>17811225
You are already on the right track.
>And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
>And walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
>He who did not spare his own son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
The entire Christian religion hinges on the sacrifice of a firstborn.

>>17811231
to prevent . . . more sacrifices?

>>17811232
>Create a religion demanding animal sacrifices for atonement
>Even demand that native Canaanites, declared "herem", are offered up as sacrifices
>"I don't want anymore sacrifices guys, please stop."
>Instead of simply destroying Jerusalem he decides to impregnate a teenage girl, raise up a son, who is also himself, and then brutally sacrifice this son via crucifixion in a huge dramatic spectacle on Passover, leaving his naked and bloodied son to die a shameful and humiliating death on a cross
>Why?
>Because he didn't want anymore sacrifices.
Why not just not mention in the Law of Moses that you forbid the sacrificing of any animals or humans? Why command it?

>>17811238
If I'm understanding this right, and not just falsely interpreting intentions onto LLM speech, you're trying to make a biblically supported argument for Jews worshipping demons and Yahweh being a demon?

>>17811249
If Yahweh is a demon then Jesus is either a trojan horse to destroy Judaism or Jesus is a trojan horse to conquer the gentiles. There's no real in between. Since the pagan gods demanded animal sacrifices and Christianity abolished them, who knows? Now the Muslims make countless animal sacrifices to Yahweh, so all the old gods have been starved and "Allah" gets all the food. Do you think if Jesus were the true God he would permit the rise of Islam?

>>17810213 (OP)
Mid-Eastern religion had no hell originally, including Judaism. They had an underworld that was not great but not terrible either, just kind of boring, and everyone went their regardless of their deeds. This idea can already be seen in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The Greeks had the same concept, Hades originally was a similar place, as can be seen in the Odyssey. But at some point in the Classical period, the idea developed that Hades is actually made up of several parts, including Tartarus where sinners are punished by ironic punishments reflecting their sins. This phenomenon was connected with the development of moral philosophy and mystery cult that promised to help you to get to the heaven-like parts of Hades. This was probably influenced by Egyptian religion which heavily focused on the afterlife, a journey through the underworld, and had a heaven (not a hell though, you could just cease to exist if you were bad or not mummified well). Centuries later, the Greeks reach a level of development, start to form colonies and trade all over a Mediterranean, and suddenly, they have mystery cults like Orphism which were all about the afterlife and journeying through the underworld.

(cont.)

>>17810800
One of the better takes I've seen. Nice work sir.

Also...enjoy hell asshole

>>17810213 (OP)
>>17811257
Some more centuries later, the Jews are ruled by the Greeks, than the Romans, and are introduced to Hellenic ideas. Suddenly one Jewish sect in the 1st-2nd century introduces the idea of hell. Coincidently most of their early texts are written in Greek and refer to hell as Hades, and a lot of the early followers read and Greek mystic texts and reference concepts from them.

They eventually become their own religion and the idea of hell becomes Christian dogma, partially because it was hard to explain how Jesus could have been a savior when he didn't really change anything on Earth in his lifetime as the Jews expected the Messiah would do. So they introduced the idea that actually, there was a bad afterlife all along where we could have went to, and Jesus saved us from that, so he was the savior after all).

>>17811265
>So they introduced the idea that actually, there was a bad afterlife all along where we could have went to, and Jesus saved us from that, so he was the savior after all).

*coping intensifies
Could christians be anymore pathetic??

>>17811065
>The only True Interpretation® is the one I agree with

That's lucky

>>17811147
>temporal locations

Nope, both are states, not places

>>17811255
>so all the old gods have been starved
Only the Mesopotamian gods were believed to have needed sacrifice to live, and even then it’s only according to the epic of Gilgamesh which was more of a piece of entertainment than an actual religious text. Sacrifices were done not because the gods needed them, but because humans thought it would gain them divine favor.

>>17810800
Stop telling people to prove it. With God, all things are possible. Not everything should be proven. Better to just change the subject, and ask them to prove heaven.

>>17811068
>>17811121
The kingdom of heaven is within man. Literally and metaphorically. Hell is loss of spirit and will to attune and embrace all that is good. God is good. Seek perfection. Seek truth. Avoid embracing the flaws in self, and do not abide lies in self or from others.

>>17811264
kill yourself faggot

>>17812331
>The kingdom of heaven is within man.
Mistranslation that new agers really like for some reason, in reality Jesus said something more akin to:
>The Kingdom of God is among you
or
>The kingdom of God is upon you.

>>17812346
It is in the KJV. But since you wish to split hairs, what of the mistranslation of rib in Genesis? See, it is all preference of interpretation then. But then the goal is to be and do utmost good anyway, isn't it?

>>17812404
>It is in the KJV.
Which is a terrible translation, as everyone knows.

>>17810779
You don’t deserve a brain.

>>17811045
I can’t wait to hear your screams, rodent. Tick tock.

>>17811147
>>17811287
Tick tock.

>>17812423
See >>17812439

>>17812423
I have always heard it touted contrary, though I did find one discrepancy between its own category of editions evidently. In one I found it apparently had a verse attributable to one such found in writings preferred in gnostic teachings concerning a specific verse Christ stated. It was the famous render to caesar what is caesars line, but at the end it said "and render to me, what is mine". To which upon later searching I found not present in some sources.

>>17812404
King James I of England was bisexual and acted/dressed like a fag. Seriously bro look it up and/or look at some portraits of him. Feminate af

>>17810231
i remember that photo of you. you look exactly how you type, overweight with the autism haircut and glasses

>>17811150
there are many, many users of this website who call others retarded npcs for not believing in this

>>17813991
>i remember that photo of you.
You have never seen a photo of me. You're retarded, and your pattern recognition is completely worthless. Have fun burning.

>>17812889
Debated as everything else is. All sides claim to be right. All sides think the other is wrong. Divide, debate, conflict, ruin. Dichotomies of determinations and ultimatums. No gods, no rulers, no powers, no principalities, and most of all no labels. Consider what is within yourself and of your own understanding. Deceit is all about, plain as day yet subtle. Be wary of recursion and hypocrisy in all faiths. Be wary of both lawless and law alike. For one claims the boons of the other, and derides the contrary in the same. This realm was always accursed, as was the waters far and aloof as it was proximal. Escape!

>>17814742
Enjoy Hell.

>>17815046
No motherfucker. You fucking enjoy it. I hope you really do, seriously enjoy yourself...have the ultimate thrill burning dick face

>>17814742
>>17815046
>>17815232

lol. Is this a meme now? Anons can't be serious, threatening each other with the eternal enjoyment of hell...

>>17810231
Gem.

>>17815255
>Anons can't be serious, threatening each other with the eternal enjoyment of hell...
Yeah, as I'm sure you can imagine, that's not literally the point.

>>17815255
I am anon who posted >>17814742
This anon >>17815046
means well in the sense of his frustration with >>17815046
Fact is though that anon posts like this in several places. Maybe a bot, maybe bored anon, maybe zealotry. People are exceedingly swift though no doubt to want pain for others because they cannot quell their own. Personally I'd rather all the anons get along and be alright. Same with people in general. As we can all see though, everyone is always forcing camps and sides in any and all subject matter possible.

>>17815761
How the fuck can you say anon means well? he told someone to burn in hell. That's like the exact opposite of that. Your channeling stupid sir

>>17810495
>>17810507
>>17811264
>>17812439
>>17814114
>>17815046
>>17815232

wtf

This drives me nuts. I will post the KJV just so the schizo cultist won't complain.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and heck delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and heck were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


For this to be the "traditionalist" view (you can see how greek immortality of the soul combined with jewish thought to create the idea of eternal suffering), this would have to read.

13 And hell gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the hell. This is the second eternal torture..

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into hell, again..

>>17810213 (OP)
Hell was originally just oblivion. You die and are dead. It only became the demiplane of magic lava much later.

>>17815862
The difference between hell and the lake of fire biblically is that the lake of fire will last forever. Have you even read the whole book of Revelation, anon?

"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
- Revelation 14:9-11

The above makes it very clear. Eternal torment and sorrow. Jesus said there will be everlasting punishment in Matthew 25:46. Even if you choose to ignore these verses, that doesn't make them go away; it doesn't work that way.

He also said their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched in Mark 9. In Matthew 13, Jesus said that, at the end of the world, the wicked will be cast into a furnace of fire, and "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
- Matthew 13:41-42

In Revelation 19 and 20, the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire at the start of the millenial reign (see Revelation 19:20). One thousand years later, when Satan is thrown into the lake of fire, the beast and false prophet are still burning in the same place (Revelation 20:10). They were burning in eternal torment and agony for a thousand years. In chapter 14 of Revelation (previously quoted) it very clearly says that torment never ends, and that there is no rest day or night for them.

>>17815868
Wrong as usual dumbass

:) <-- me enjoying knowing what awaits you after death.

>>17816255
kinda holier than thou no?

>Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Like, are you trying to push people away from the faith with your anger? The seething that comes from atheists is expected; they hate goodness incarnate, but we should be more like Christ.

>>17815862
I don’t see what is “driving you nuts”. Hell is getting relocated from the center of the earth to outer darkness.

>>17816284
In order for that verse to make sense, he would have to secretly believe Hell doesn’t exist harder than the guy he is criticizing. Thank you for exposing yourself as a holier than thou and a projectionist.