Thread 17823674

>european colonial powers terrorize the brown world for centuries
>brown world starts immigrating to their lands
>this is seen as an atrocity the likes of which have never been seen before

This isn’t a tad ironic to any of you?
>inb4 we “civilized them”
Assuming that’s even true, why? Why not just leave them to their savagery and mud huts?

>captcha: G0MAY

You want vengeance, doe.

>>17823674 (OP)
Because europeans ARE morally in the wrong here. "We civilized them" is just an excuse for eradicating native cultures. Theres countries like sweden that dont deserve being overrun by illegals. But france 100% deserves it and they are still holding colonies in africa and exploit the locals there. They also have a history of overthrowing leaders who dont suck off france. Countries like belgium, uk netherlands france spain germany, colonizing garbage. Sweden, austria etc, dont deserve it.

>>17823674 (OP)
>This isn’t a tad ironic to any of you?
Conquered through military victory is not the same thing as showing up and asking for free gibs because you think whites should feel bad for you.

>>17823685
Let me guess, you also think the ummayads and ottomans were brutal invaders and not just winning wars

>>17823681
Based take
>>17823685
This only adds to the irony for me
>le strong white European conquers everyone in their path
>overrun by their very subjects by simply refusing to turn them away
You can make a case for it being a “war” still in a sense but you get what I mean, the big bad wolf has been cucked w kindness. Pretty ironic and funny to me.

>>17823691
moving the goalposts, changing the subject, and strawmanning. three in one, nice

>>17823693
>overrun by
hold on... so you are saying that the non whites flooding into europe aren't poor retarded victim refugees in need of the white man's help to survive?

>>17823681
Sweden “deserves” it because they created a welfare state then opened their borders to foreigners who did nothing to pay into the system that they benefit from for free.

>>17823674 (OP)
We don't give a shit what you think. All we want is our own elites to stop importing you.

>>17823691
Ottoman sultans were pederasts so all of their achievements mean nothing. I don't care that you conquered the world if you're a boy fucking homo

>>17823706
I think they’re fleeing their war torn countries that were fair enough places for them until they were fucked bad by Zionists with the aide or western nations and them flooding you and diminishing your quality of life is a beautiful full circle moment. I’m not an immigrant nor am I European, I don’t have much stake in the matter.

>>17823726
>war in afghanistan
>have to live in norway
Yeah that's 100% war refugees and not economic migration to more successful white countries

>>17823722
Holy shit i can smell the salty tears through my screen. Also says a lot about you that your first unprompted thought pedophilia. You should consider suicide.

>>17823726
>its funny when people are so selfless that they hurt themselves by being too kind
thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't have sympathy

>trump drops a bomb on my country
SHEEIT NIGGUH this gives me the right to a free house in paris on infinite welfare

>>17823736
But if there were never a war in Afghanistan there’s a much lower likelihood of people emigrating from there right? The western idea of “success” isn’t the top priority for many of the people living in those types of countries. It certainly is something that influences the minds of those who chose to immigrate to Europe, Im just saying less people would be influenced by those factors If the west didn’t come into their countries and kill a million civilians. If it was solely Economic and love of “western values”, there wouldn’t be such a massive leap in them fleeing after their countries were wrecked, it would have been relatively consistent.
>>17823739
It’s not outright comedic but the irony isn’t lost on me. I’m American and I also find it ironic/funny how America reacted to the crack epidemic that mostly affected blacks vs the fentanyl epidemic that affected whites a whole lot more. Your “sympathy” argument isn’t really valid there

>>17823681
>"We civilized them" is just an excuse for eradicating native cultures
The countries sending emigrants to Europe are the ones that had the least damage done to their native culture.

It's not Powhatan Indians mass migrating to the UK

>>17823738
Ottomans achieved fuck all in legacy they were a complete meme empire. The Muslim world rejected their claim to having a legitimate caliph and they ended up abolishing the whole thing anyways. They failed to subdue their territories and it was nothing but non stop ethnic strife until the British fucked them up

>>17823790
>The Muslim world rejected their claim to having a legitimate caliph and they ended
Just the butthurt arabs who seethed because they lost control of their religion to the ottomans. The ottomans were in name and practice the caliphs. Some irrelevant dune tribe arguing otherwise doesnt change history. Plus the middle east was largely peaceful under the ottomans and the moment the arabs betrayed them to side with the british the region well into turmoil. You can shove your revisionist history up your ass. And saying the ottoman empire has no legacy is just so laughably wrong.

>>17823767
>But if there were never a war in Afghanistan there’s a much lower likelihood of people emigrating from there right?
I don't give a shit if they want to emigrate. I only give a shit if they come here when they shouldn't. If you're an economic migrant then you shouldn't exploit refugee status to come here. If you want to flee Afghanistan to live in a concentration camp in the North Sea, welcome. Otherwise go to Pakistan.

>>17823815
You’re clearly too emotional about this topic to think logically about it. All I’m saying is this whole thing didn’t start with immigrants at your doorstep. Immigrants in your country is the byproduct of an ironic 500 year loopdy loop that’s pretty funny when your emotions aren’t fogging it up. Facts don’t care about your feelings snowflake :^)

>>17823902
Cool anon. Economic migrants shouldn't exploit refugee status to come here. They should stay in neighboring countries. Glad we agree.

The problem that nation states ran into was they only maintained legitimacy through constant warfare, but constant warfare was not financially viable. They needed periodic warfare because otherwise cities rapidly started degenerating, like Paris. When Darwin's theory of evolution hit France there were men robbing women in the street and pronouncing "Survival of the fittest!" Or something to that effect. The conservatives hated this but knew they couldn't start a war and destabilize Europe without severe internal consequences. So instead European states decided they would colonize the third world. Since the third world was objectively horribly developed nobody has any interest in them, so nobody would complain if you moved in. Also, since they were so poorly developed you could easily whip them into shape. Or at least increase their productivity from 0 to 1. That way you could claim the entire time it was to help the third world when in reality it was a pr campaign for your nation state and also potentially lucrative.

I will say that in my study of the Congo it seems most targeted resources like rubber were depleted within a decade of harvest as the natives killed all the trees.

>>17823925
>The problem that nation states ran into was they only maintained legitimacy through constant warfare
Famously why Switzerland and Sweden collapsed in the 19th century

>>17823939
Mostly in reference to the major continental power players like france and germany. I don't know anything about Switzeland or Sweden

>>17823944
*Switzerland

>>17823944
>>17823952
Oh I did hear that there's a special bank in Switzerland that's basically sovereign

>>17823913
>Economic migrants shouldn't exploit refugee status to come here.
How is it exploiting if they are escaping a conflict?

>They should stay in neighboring countries.
They do retard. Most of them are in nearby regions but they can't house all of them because refugee holding states GET NO HELP.

>>17823913
You talk and argue like a post menopausal Karen. To an unsettlingly high degree.

>>17823798
You post, yet people had riots and mental health collapses over covid lockdown in the west. How does that line up exactly in your eyes?

>>17823976
>How is it exploiting if they are escaping a conflict?
Because they can escape a conflict to any neighboring country, not the most economically successful ones on the other side of the continent (coincidentally run by white people)
>They do retard
Then why are millions of them in Europe? Why aren't they claiming refugee status in the several countries they move through while leapfrogging to Germany?
>>17823981
You talk and argue like a brown person.

>>17823674 (OP)
>>inb4 we “civilized them”
the fact that they are afraid of browns shows that this is a lie and they either never intended to or abjectly failed to

>>17823798
after colonization
>jewish entertainment
>jewish media
>jewish schools
>jewish medicine
>jewish architecture
great work "white" man

Browns hate whites when they want to be around them more than anything. They literally suicide themselves in rickety boats to escape the countries fellow browns built to get to white countries while they kvetch about colonialism. It would be comical if it wasn't pathetic.

>>17824043
I don't think anybody cares about colonialism except communists

>>17823990
>>17824042
Look Africans are getting what they want. We've decolonized Africa and it's not going back to naked tribesmen. All I'm saying is I don't want that for the West.

>>17824478
>We've decolonized Africa
lol "We". European states tried to prolong colonialism even after 2 world wars, forcing their subjects to die for them and when they were all wrecked. They pretty much had to be smacked by the US+USSR before they came up with another mess.
>All I'm saying is I don't want that for the West.
this seems like some sort of paranoia.

>>17824026
>Because they can escape a conflict to any neighboring country
literally all full due to housing refugees.
>not the most economically successful ones on the other side of the continent (coincidentally run by white people)
Which country do you mean by this?

>Why aren't they claiming refugee status in the several countries they move through while leapfrogging to Germany?
They do, most of the refugees are outside of Europe.

>You talk and argue like a brown person.
This is 4chan. Everyone is a bot or brown 5-cent warriors unless proven otherwise

>>17823798
French Africa (and Belgian Africa) used to have mixed race orphanages where they'd snatch mixed kids and put them into these orphanages where they'd get abused by Catholic staff.

>>17824497
sounds like some shit tariq nasneed would come up with while slowly jerking with his other hand

Why do people care so much about European colonialism anyway?
>one group of people conquer another group and lord over them
>this is seen as an atrocity the likes of which have never been seen before
Basically every group did or does this, why is it only so butthurt-inducing when Europeans do it?

>>17824501
Unfortunately it happened. The colonial regimes wanted a place to contain all the biracial kids into certain locations. There were some that didn't get snatched up due to being far away from the city or towns but if you were mixed and the guards/authorities found you, you were gone. They also had weird shit going on in the records and how they wrote names. you had to renounce your fathers name, even if he was registered as your dad on the papers.

>>17824516
>Why do people care so much about European colonialism anyway?
Recent, WW2 basically brought the type of dynamics seen in colonies back home. Several powers tried retaining their empires even after facing a catastrophic war.

>why is it only so butthurt-inducing when Europeans do it?
There's plenty of butthurt in other instances of wars and conquest too, even more. Your scope is too narrow.

>>17824516
>basically every group did or does this, why is it only so butthurt-inducing when Europeans do it?
Untrue, europeans also always cry their eyes out at the umayyadsand ottomans and how they are the most oppressed people in history akshully

>>17824516
>Why do people care so much about European colonialism anyway?
>one group of people conquer another group and lord over them
European states still bring up WW2.

>>17824522
Makes sense to separate them in the hopes they wouldn't backslide into chopping up albinos for magic potions or chasing after penis-stealing witches 2bh

Why cant western europeans just admit that colonialism is wrong. Europeans are so fucking desperate to whitewash everything its pathetic.

>>17824528
>Untrue, europeans also always cry their eyes out at the umayyadsand ottomans
Nobody does this except a subset of rightwingers online who like to bring up the Muslim slave trade

>>17824546
Europeans are obsessed with being the saviours of everyone and the awesome people who have always suffered butnever hurt anyone. When they do something bad its irrelevant, when something bad is done to them its an unforgettable crime that must never be forgotten. Europeans have killed dozens of millions of africans in their greed for money and it doesnt matter.
Look at the ottoman empire, until they chimped out towards the end they were a multicultural empire where the subjects were relatively free to do as they please. Contrary to europe where they killed each other over which branch of christianity to follow. When the ottoman empire collapsed (good riddance) they killed roughly 1 million armenians in a genocide. Its brought up every day and portrayed as one of the worst crimes in history, rightfully so. On the other side, during the collapse, the former subjects went hitlermode and killed 5.5 million muslims.
These muslims werent settlers or soldiers, they were ethnic natives who had converted to islam at some point. Its almost never talked about, but when you mention it, europeans dont deny it, they openly celebrate the murder of millions for having the wrong faith.
This incredibly hypocritical worldview europeans have is why the rest of the world hates them more and more every day. Western african countries are standing up to france nowadays too.

>>17824546
Europeans do, you just spend too much time online and your views on what Europeans think have become warped by that.

Everyone ITT is free to post a screenshot of something from the museums of any European country defending colonialism.

>>17824546
Europeans are literally letting you ethnically replace them and that's not enough for you?

>>17824571
Im from europe, i dont support mass immigration and certainly not illegal immigration. But i have the self awareness to point out that europeans throughout "intercontinental" history objectively speaking were the bad guys. Native american culture, ruined. South and middle american culture, ERADICATED. Iberians will claim they brought civilization and muh "IM SORRY BUT THE HUMAN SACRIFICES MUST STOP". Look at africa, so much fucking wealth stolen. Random fake countries created with retarded lines, causing conflict to this day. Maybe intentionally so. What even is australia, some british people stealing aboriginal land and then saying australia for australians? Churchills hardcore zionism destabilized the middle east for decades and still does. Why do turkic people in central asia have so much russian influence? Why is there a south east asian country named phillippines? Map isnt extremely accurate but it gives a fair overview. Imagine if some black people colonized almost every country on earth. Yes islamic colonialsm unfortunately exists too. Indonesia got raped by arabs and dutch trash. But the vast majority of misery was caused by europeans and pointing this out isnt being some libtard its just facts. And i hate other europeans thinking this is based as fuck

>>17824595
>Native american culture, ruined. South and middle american culture, ERADICATED.
What do you even mean by "culture" here? The fact that their material artifacts like buildings or clothes were destroyed? Or do you really bemoan the loss of tribal, militaristic, violent, child sacrificing cultures like the Aztecs or Comanches?

>>17824603
I think south america shouldve kept its native culture and modernized the hardcore shit. I think they shouldve kept believing in their native faiths and spoken their native languages. I find it disgusting they are all christians now and speak spanish or iberian. This all should have stayed in iberia. Its repulsive.

>>17824483
The only country that held on to their colonies was Portugal. British and French gave up their colonies voluntarily

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>>17823981
Every snarky faggot on this website, including both sides of that argument sound like that.

>>17823674 (OP)
>Native american culture, ruined
Overrated and savage. Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire, which is actually culture. If precolonial American culture had anything of value you're free to revive and readopt it, but you won't.
>Look at africa, so much fucking wealth stolen
The Europeans put the natural resources that existed in Africa and (Americas) to use which isn't the same thing. Without Europeans there wouldn't be anything to "steal" to begin with since the Africans wouldn't even know its value or be able convert it into anything valuable.
>Random fake countries created with retarded lines, causing conflict to this day.
This only applies to Africa who didn't have a concept of centralized state and nationhood anyway. Blaming Europeans for not being able to act civilized is why they'll always be in their miserable state. I'd love to hear how you'd "fix" this.
>What even is australia
Literally empty
>Churchills hardcore zionism destabilized the middle east for decades and still does
What destabilizes the middle east is the refusal to make a diplomatic settlement with the Israelis for a century and getting unironically blow the fuck out every time you attack them, and dictators rallying sheepish Arabs "against Israel" instead of fixing their countries.
>Why do turkic people in central asia have so much russian influence
Because the Russians beat the mongol hordes against all odds and proceeded to subdue the steppes for their own safety.
>Why is there a south east asian country named phillippines
Because the Europeans were so nice they united foreign regions into bigger more powerful ones for free. India specifically should be eternally grateful for this since they get to larp as a superpower now.

>>17824611
>British and French gave up their colonies voluntarily
The british gave up india because they knew they couldnt win anyways
But the french definitely didn't and had to be kicked out of algeria and SEA

>>17824611
>British and French gave up their colonies voluntarily
Britain had too be pressured to and had a major crackdown going on in two colonies. France had Algeria and Indochina. They only gave them up "voluntarily" because they couldn't handle the PR disaster and costs of maintaining their colonies.

>>17824661
>Without Europeans there wouldn't be anything to "steal" to begin with since the Africans wouldn't even know its value
They did know of the value. That's why they traded goods inside and outside Africa and how peopel learned that there was somebody down there moving goods around

>Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire, which is actually culture
It''s an institution, not culture. It's actually pretty fucked up as a place due to it's background and basically being really immune to any real reform.

>Literally empty
Terra nullius was btfo ages ago.

>>17824661
>This only applies to Africa who didn't have a concept of centralized state and nationhood anyway
The vast majority of states in this day and age don't have direct line to past entities or are VERY recent. It's not really an Africa only thing.

>Blaming Europeans for not being able to act civilized is why they'll always be in their miserable state
Europe had constant long strings of wars during the creation of the nation-states. China is China with it's back to back splinters and reformations. The difference is that you have states that are like 50+yrs old at the minimum having to speedrun the entire timeline of building a state. An process that took centuries to do and still wasn't totally perfected let alone actually completed.

>>17824685
>The vast majority of states in this day and age don't have direct line to past entities or are VERY recent
This is a history board. You're not allowed to as clueless as a black girl on Twitter.

>>17823674 (OP)
There's a difference between colonization and invasion. Colonizers build civilizations on conquered land, invaders simply loot and destroy. Colonization is what romans, degos and bongs did. Invasion is what vikings did and shitskins do now.

>>17824542
Not really. Fucking up the kids, separating them from their family. France itself not acknowledging their existence. France was basically trying to hide their presence from the world. Also the French themselves weren't saints either since many of them kdsi were products of rape/coercion, noncery or some guy knocking up a woman and kicking her out of the house.

>>17824688
Yeah. Most states in their modern iteration are actually pretty recent.

>>17824690
Invasion and colonization aren't mutually exclusive of each other. Immigrants aren't part of some military or colonization force.

>>17824690
Cope harder you piece of shit. Europeans had no business "building civilization" on the other side of the planet

>>17824696
Tough shit.

>>17823674 (OP)
I don't think any non-Europeans had ever said "we must abstain from exploiting the new lands because it's against the ethics or shiiiiiiiit".
Europeans performed it because they were the only ones to have reached the technological level to make it possible.

Also I believe you are too ignorant about the societies until 19th century.
They went abroad not for the vacation, but to save the lives of their own and their families from starvation.
and most of the African lands, that are regarded to belong to the indigenous Africans today, were empty and had no owners.

>>17824694
>Most states in their modern iteration are actually pretty recent.
Yes, Poland is 35 years old.

Your supposed point about Europeans "making up countries" is still wrong and a typical midwit pitfall. With the exception of Africa, which not even Africans can sort out, the Europeans consulted the local communities and generally followed their delimitations, often granting rights and freedoms to groups that otherwise didn't have it. If it were up to the Europeans we'd even have Kurdish and Assyrian states right now, but Muslims and other third worlders are very insistent on organizing their states and society via diffuse multi-ethnic borders and supremacist relationships with their minorities and subjects.

>>17824704
Barking

>>17824704
and now Europe is basically in a shitty tryst with the US and China, and basically doing nothing about Russia because it feels feeding Ukrainian soldiers into the fire and giving them minimal assistance will make it work.

>>17824719
>the Europeans consulted the local communities and generally followed their delimitations
Not really the case since many treaties got broken or the terms unilaterally changed alongside forced expansions.
>often granting rights and freedoms to groups that otherwise didn't have it.
Many actually lost rights in several parts of the world on top of land evictions and removals. Several areas even had a designated group the state often put in a worse status versus the other nearby subjects.

>Muslims and other third worlders are very insistent on organizing their states and society via diffuse multi-ethnic borders and supremacist relationships with their minorities and subjects.
and you call me the midwit?

>>17824718
>were empty and had no owners.
There were empty islands but no empty land. They found the presence and signs of locals pretty much everywhere on the continent.

>to save the lives of their own and their families from starvation.
Nigga which ones?

>>17824733
>There were empty islands but no empty land. They found the presence and signs of locals pretty much everywhere on the continent.
hunter-gatherers do not occupy lands.

>>to save the lives of their own and their families from starvation.
>Nigga which ones?
Every one of them.
Do not assume the contemporary society where food is abundant has existed from 5000 years ago. It was realized only in the last century by the Haber–Bosch process, until which the large portion of the humans in the world had lived right next to the death by food scarcity.

>>17823674 (OP)
>>17823677
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>>17823693
Colonialism WAS the vengeance. You will all burn at the Camp of the Saints.

>>17824745
Literally my point
>we got invaded this is the worst crime ever waaaa waa
>so we ended up colonizing parts of the world that never interacted with us and destroyed the culture the created of course totally justified
Youre a cockroach.

>>17823674 (OP)
this >>17823677
You are literally admitting you want revenge against white people for shit that happened before they were born. You admit that your presence in white countries makes the lives of white people worse and is a form of punishment. This is utterly deranged and /pol/ is right about you.

>brown world starts immigrating to their lands
They were allowed to immigrate, by white leftists voting for socialists and progressives, under the assumption you are equal.

>>17824731
>and you call me the midwit?
Yes, because at the end of the day, the alternatives to Europeans were and still are much worse. You're an ungrateful little brown person who probably wouldn't even have a country if it wasn't for colonialists.

>>17823674 (OP)
White people are good, brown people are bad

>>17824760
>socialists and progressives, under the assumption you are equal.
I’ve seen some that believe the oppressed never ever feel any resentment and it’s only the people formerly in charge who carry any animosity after losing power. I’ve seen these people unironically mention South Africa to support this worldview.

>>17823674 (OP)
>it's good now because it was bad then
>we must repeat the mistakes of the past or we are doomed to learn from them

>>17823674 (OP)
It was unironically a different time. Powerful states subjugating their neighbors was the norm and white, brown and yellow people did it all the same. The Europeans just ended up being a lot better at it once they organized and developed more sophisticated technology than their counterparts. Now that our moral sentiment has changed a lot of people view this period as something to be ashamed of, as if colonialism, population replacement and empire building is something that's exclusively a white/European phenomenon.
>european supremacy was good because it's good for my in-group, therefore mass-immigration is bad
>colonialism and mass population displacement is immoral, therefore mass-immigration is bad
Regardless of what your position is you can arrive at the same conclusion, no matter what happened in the past there is no good reason why Sweden should be filled to the brim with Somalis or why Latvia should desire to have dozens of ethnic enclaves all over.

>>17823681
Who do you think suffers the revenge for colonialism? Is it the descendants of the elites? No, they're the ones allowing it. The revenge is directed at the descendants of serfs who never held any political power, whose only crime is being the first to suffer under their nation's rulers

>>17823674 (OP)
Some people are too retarded to be allowed near history books, because they use them as guides for who they should hate

>>17824830
kek this

>>17824830
>>17824834
Eventually everyone will suffer though, I doubt the elites of today care or even consider it an option but there will come a point where you can't really buy yourself out of the problem anymore. European nations are taking in so many economically unproductive and culturally incompatible people that their welfare states and possibly their nations will collapse once the foreign demographics grow large enough.

>>17823902
No, you're not thinking logically.
>this whole thing didn’t start with immigrants at your doorstep
It did for him. He isn't 500 years old and has never had a say in foreign wars, so how is he deserving of any consequences? Why are you incapable of separating people from the present from the events of ancient history, and commoners from the people who rule over them? The people responsible for war rarely suffer the consequences of it. It would be ironic if the rulers and politicians were forced to take refugees onto his own property, but they aren't. They are the very people saying that the ordinary common people must suffer the consequences, and you agree with them.

>>17824825
Pretty much. If power balance was reversed the africans/arabs or whatever would do the same thing to europe the europeans did to africa. But of course mindbroken retards have to view everything through prismatic of race.

Europe has fallen.
Save Europe!

>>17823674 (OP)
Africans were better off than now. These make a wish so called independent states shackled to IMF debt and USaid handouts are actually detrimental to the common citizen and only benefit the corrupt ruling elite.

>>17823674 (OP)
A lot of the nostalgia for European colonialism among the common people is the result of them having to endure the brunt of mass immigration

>>17824663
>>17824671
Thanks for agreeing with me guys very useful replies

>>17823674 (OP)
1. why do you think Europeans should justify their actions based on your version of morality? if Europeans think mass immigration from former colonies is bad, they should simply not allow it.
2. if my great-grandfather stole something from X person 100 years ago without being punished for it, does that mean that I should allow the ancestors of person X to steal from me as well?
3. besides that, there is no inherent link to colonialism and mass immigration from world countries. Germany didn't colonize Turkey and Sweden didn't have any colonies

>>17824920
>They didn't give them up! They HAD to give them up!!!
It's funny

>>17823674 (OP)
"Justify" how? Morally?
Morality is constantly changing so it's silly to apply your morals to how the world was back then.
At that time we considered that might is right therefore the Europeans could take these lands from weaker peoples.
Nowadays (after ww2 specially) we decided that all peoples should have a right to their own destiny. However, as demonstrated in that meme, the non-european subraces still work in the might is right paradigm so they exploit the kindness and peace-striving attempts of Europeans today: they see it as weakness.
The irony in that meme is that the first image is not really based because Europeans were too kind and refused to simply genocide the whole populations they ruled over. Even the ancients knew better when the Athenians genocided Melos so they wouldn't one day come back and enact their revenge. If we ever recover we have to make sure to genocide them because as can clearly see co-existence is impossible and they are intent in the destruction of Europe.

>>17823674 (OP)
Just cause

>>17824559
These former subjects were Muslims killing other muslims

>>17824546
>>17824595
You never been to Western Europe have you? Our education and media constantly hammers in how awful colonisation was

>>17823674 (OP)
>How do Europeans justify colonialism
Might is right. This has been how the world has worked from the beginning, it is how the world is now, it will be how the world will be at its end.
>but then you can't complain about the nogs for invading
I don't. Most people don't either.
We're well aware that you're barely a step above lice, that our so called leaders keep importing you of their own volition.
It's our fault for no rising up and slaughtering both them and you. May you bite and itch them to death if we persist in our sloth.

>>17823674 (OP)
The difference still is that the Europeans have the power to change the situation on a whim, if they chose, they can deport any non native within a week and restart colonialism at will.
The indigenous people around the world didn't have a chance or a choice.

>>17825067
>The difference still is that the Europeans have the power to change the situation on a whim, if they chose, they can deport any non native within a week and restart colonialism at will.
Oh, but they can't, because Jews or something.

>>17825077
They won't because they believe it to be immoral

>>17823771
and ironically native americans are still the most excluded race, snowtroons deserve to become hideous nigger mongrels as punishment since they worship niggers so much

>>17823674 (OP)
>terrorize the brown world
>by giving them medicine, industry, education, peace, liberty, infrastructure, etc.

>>17824930
Sweden actually had a couple small colonies outside Europe (St. Barthelemy, Delaware) although they lost them long enough ago that it's not where their immigrants come from

Countries like England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Russia, Belgium, Netherlands and other KKKolonizers ABSOLUTELY deserve White extinction and being overrun with immigrants

>>17825271
Nah

>>17825271
If Euros deserve replacement for colonialism then Aztecs, Indians, etc. deserved colonialism for fighting each other and stealing each other's land.

>>17823674 (OP)
you could make an argument that Europe deserved being overrun by illegals or not, but the thing is, these illegals are making europe worse, not better

>>17825313
Not euros in general

Just the KKKolonizers

Swedes, Swiss and Poles for example never did anything wrong

>>17823681
EUROPEAN EXPANSION WAS IN RESPONSE TO MUSLIM COLONIZATION AND ENCROACHMENT. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

>>17826475
this is such a pathetic lie europeans tell themselves to justify their bullshit. europeans were morally wrong. and its da heckin muzzies shows your cope

>>17826486
YOU ARE A SALTY JEET

FUCK YOU WE SAVED YOU FROM ISLAM

>>17826503
AND THE CASTE SYSTEM

BE GRATEFUL

WHITES ALSO BANNED SLAVERY WORLD WIDE

BE GRATEFUL YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED

>>17826475
Okay but what's that gotta do with Africa, the Americas, and Southeast Asia?

>>17826475
Muslim expansion was a righetous response and payback to euroach invasions of MENA such as the genocide of carthage by rome, vandals, alexander etc etc

>>17826512
The euro invasions of MENA was a righteous response and payback to the Persian invasions of Greece

>>17823674 (OP)
>You want to conquer others? That means you have to let others conquer you, otherwise that's le hypocritical
Whoa... I'm sure all the random tribes in history were worried about being hypocrites when they put entire bloodlines to the sword

>>17823726
>a beautiful full circle moment.

Do you think this somehow won't affect you?

>>17823674 (OP)
It was based and brought civilisation, prosperity and a high standard of living around the world. By contrast, current migration to Europe from the third world has no benefits and is making the west worse

>>17826794
>It was based and brought civilisation, prosperity and a high standard of living around the world
They didn't deserve it. We'd be better off today if the colonial powers has killed off every primitive people they encountered.

>>17825271
You're too retarded to be allowed near a history book

europe burning?
good
reap the whirlwind

>>17826997
Who would they exploit for cheap labor and natural resources then? You niggas couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag.

>>17827021
We don't need or want slaves. Slavery stifles innovation

>>17825271
What country are you from?

>>17826509
IF EVROPE DID NOT COLONIZE THE WORLD THAN HER ENEMIES WOULD

>>17826794
Guess where all the funding came for you little empire?

What Africa needs is just a bunch of Gaddafi's and Siad barres, not going to Europe and constantly coping about the past like a bunch of losers.

>>17823674 (OP)
The point of colonialism was to gain economic leverage in the Old World you leftist fucktard

Yuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh
We the ones

>>17828826
But every time one of those types come to power in Africa they’re cucked by France or some shit, that’s the insane part it’s like “hurr durr look at how shit African countries are all corrupt and dumb” etc but when someone comes around and tries to make it a decent place there’s regime change from the west. Kinda a damned if you do damned if you don’t thing. And I know it’s not the people in Europe who make these calls it’s the zionists and higher ups but still

>>17823674 (OP)
but how come japan gets to stay 98% Japanese even after invading much of east Asia? why aren't there millions of Chinese and Koreans flocking there?

how come there aren't more greek/armenian/balkan immigrants in turkey?

>>17823685
oof

>>17823691
They were spreading a false religion that calls for world domination, with a pedophile prophet, by force of sword. A very twisted and evil (in my opinion) belief system. Kind of different. I get your point but still. Also, yes, I know spreading Christianity was a factor in the colonization of Africa.

>>17823674 (OP)
>Things brought by Europeans to brown world
Technology, medicine, humanism, and societies beyond the stone age level
>Things brought by brown world to Europeans

>>17824760
>I want revenge
Justice being enacted is not revenge. I do not even seek the enactment of justice. It happens, I observe. For you to have a issue with that makes it self evident your problem is with justife itself.

>>17826752
Short version: No.

>>17830455
Is it justice to punish a child from a working class household for what a king did centuries ago?

>>17824043
>he thinks wetbacks running from local gangs or looking for day labor jobs give a shit about "colonialism" or ideology in general
Least out of touch stormnigger

>>17830468
People get the goverment they deserve, and the sins of the father should be paid for by the child if parenthood is to have social value.

>>17830489
So their governments were their punishment? Was being governed by Europeans deserved by the colonized?

>>17830489
>the sins of the father should be paid for by the child if parenthood is to have social value
Lolwhat?
How many commoners are the children of royalty?

>>17823902
>ironic
The fog must be in your brain. Afghanistan has been invaded and colonised a dozen times. The reason afghans don't go to mongolia is because it's an equal shithole with no gibs.

>>17823681
yes, the native culture of enslaving europeans...

>>17824483
>forcing their subjects to die for them
there is no historical evidence they were used as canon fodder, unless your reference is CoD and some jewish movies

>>17830499
yes, and now they are independent while your government invites kara boga bvlls to breed your women, and you voted for it, as opposed to fighting it but not fighting hard enough, so it is verily what you deserve

>>17824663
>kicked out of Algeria

Why were Europeans kicked out of 100+ countries?

>>17830673
not worth the effort, easier to let savages rally behind corrupt warlords you can bribe for resources when the land has some and leave the dead weight when it doesn't.

>>17823681
>"We civilized them" is just an excuse for eradicating native cultures.

Native cultures such as slavery, human sacrifices, cannibalism, nakedness in neolithic huts in hygienic conditions that resulted in a child mortality rate of 70%....etc

>>17823674 (OP)
>european colonial powers terrorize the brown world for centuries
>brown world starts immigrating to their lands
>this is seen as an atrocity the likes of which have never been seen before

They key difference is that one made places better, while the other one is making places worse.
It's not about legitimacy or morals, it's about the end result.

>>17823674 (OP)
>wypipo BAD cuz colonialism
ok, surely you don't take issue with a little decolonization then?

>>17823674 (OP)
>africa
>for centuries

come on...

>>17828959
>being welcomed in by jews and delusion libtards
>colonization
Pathetic brownoid cope lmao

>>17830673
They left voluntarily for the most part :D

>>17824546
It was "morally wrong" as it's humiliating to get dominated and civilized by foreigns invaders.
But it massively improved the shitholes that were subjected to it.
We're not arguing that colonialism was justified, we're just rejecting the lie that it's the reason why Africa is a shithole.

>>17823674 (OP)
Europeans don't owe non-Europeans from Asia and Africa anything because your countries were already dirt-poor and undeveloped when Europeans came to them , with huge child mortality and a life expectancy of 35.

By the time Europeans left your countries, your child mortality was down 90% and life expectancy 30 years higher thanks to European infrastructure and Europeans spreading their science and technology, which means compared to any casualties directly resulting from our conquest, we actually saved many times more of your people who would have died horrible premature deaths otherwise.

Your countries were in a better state when we left than when we arrived because of us so objectively Europeans visiting Asia and Africa massively benefitted you and you should be thanking us rather than viewing us with enmity born from ignorance and resentment
Your hatred is no more justified than if Brits started hating Italians for the Italians conquering them 2000 years ago and bringing advanced technology to Britain and sought to punish and destroy Italy.

Now apologise to us for your unjust hatred and say THANK YOU