Thread 17833360

What are some insanely stupid "historical" takes (from this website, reddit or youtube) that baffles you or makes you angry over how retarded it is?

>>17833360 (OP)
>What are some insanely stupid "historical" takes
That non whites can be European.

>>17833360 (OP)
>medieval dirt peasents worked less and had more vacation than than you, oh why did we ever change

>>17833360 (OP)
>phanton time hypothesis
>Atlantis being anything but a fable by Plato
>Christ myth theory

>>17833364
>That non whites can be European.
*Benjamin Franklin has entered the chat*

>>17833360 (OP)
The very persistent myth that Deng Xiaoping's reforms were the beginning of rapid economic growth in China.

>>17833360 (OP)
The Roman Empire being a chain of ancient Greek theme parks and holiday resorts that got repurposed by the Catholic Church in order to argue for their claim to independence from the Greek church.

>>17833469
now thats a hot take

>>17833360 (OP)
Katanas

>>17833360 (OP)
>Catholicism being true

The White man's burden.

>>17833462
Can you elaborate ?

>>17833360 (OP)
>rome stole their gods from greece
>goddard has any relevancy in rocketry
>ragtime and jazz were totally new and novel
>all types of nordic exceptionalism
>orientals are all bugmen

>>17833600
The average GDP growth rate between the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s weren't that different, and already on an upward trend before Deng Xiaoping did his reforms. Average growth was slightly higher, but more so because they stopped making stupid mistakes than because of some amazing reform, as liberals depict it.

>phantom time hypothesis
>New Chronology

Someone else remember the "Slavery wasn't profitable but a net loss" schizo here on /his/ a few years back?

>>17833360 (OP)
Christianity caused the downfall of Rome

>>17834052
So, global influences in general, scientific progress, etc, pushed China's economy forward, not specifically Deng Xiaoping's policy.

>>17834052
All apologize to this man right fucking now.

>>17834075
Wait what? Gib me context

>>17834075
that’s just true from an economic standpoint, you’re undercutting workers by using slaves and therefore drawing less funding into the industry

>>17834180
there was a guy who spammed the same thread several times a week, sometimes several times a day where he claimed that owning slaves in the American South was a net loss for the owners and posted ridiculously high prices for food per slave to prove his theory. If you replied to the post in any way that wasn't 100% in agreement with him, he went on to pull even more schizo calculations or rambled incoherently against the source or argument presented.

>>17834187
his "argument" was that providing a worker/slave lodging and food for work can never be profitable ever under any circumstances, which doesn't even make any sense because almost every person on earth right now gets enough money for lodging, food and additional money from one single employer.

>>17833360 (OP)
Liao Hao existing at all

>>17833405
These are all true.

>>17834212

>Liao Hao

What? I've never heard anyone tell that myth before. Is this from an obscure darknet forum only 3 separate people have ever visited?

>>17834103
I'm sorry. You were right about the liberals.

>>17834061
Are you the guy that's always asking to debunk Fomenko but no one ever can?

>>17834075
A few years earlier before him there was a guy saying that slavery drives down median wages that would go to workers. He was a little bit sharper.

>>17834218

>tfw some dumbass, definitely op samefagging makes up a myth people tell (now that's meta) so he can keep the thread chugging along

>>17834224
>Are you the guy that's always asking to debunk Fomenko but no one ever can?
No, I think Fomenko's hypothesis is retarded, I thought that was made clear enough.

>>17834212
Who or what is Liao Hao?

>>17834240
So how come you never go to those threads and debunk them?

>>17834249
I went once and argued that global weather events synchronize the Chinese and Western timeline and he (or someone else in the thread) simply denied that.

>>17834248
A retarded myth Simon has told for a while now in an attempt to defame shintoism
Apparently of a priest who wrote a book and somehow that invalidates a tradition that has been held for millennia in Japan
and then he acts like he doesnt even know what it is when HES the progenitor

>>17833360 (OP)
>everyone in the bible from adam to the ethiopian eunuch was white

>>17833360 (OP)
The idea that the Hull Note was a declaration of war on Japan.

>>17833364
Don't look up where Kalmykia is.

>>17833610
>ragtime and jazz were totally new and novel
Never heard a music historian say any genre was invented from scratch as opposed to being downstream from something else.

>>17834259

Curious. And who exactly tells this myth? Is it made up too?

>>17834254

I've never told it, ever.

>>17834264

I've never seen ANYONE say that. Maybe you're thinking of "Jesus was white", but no one in history has ever said EVERY Bible character was White.

>>17833360 (OP)
>guns were inferior to bows
>they only became popular because you could hand them out to untrained peasants

>>17834270
A myth promoted and maintained by the British and their obsession with their longbow.

>>17834253
>global weather events synchronize the Chinese and Western timeline
Which global weather events?

>>17834311
The entire Late Antique Ice Age, Volcanic Winter of 536, 1257 Samalas volcanic winter, if you take astronomical phenomena: Supernova of 1054 most prominently.
All of them occurred in those independent timeline of events simultaneously: Which means, the winter of 536 was 1489 years ago in China and in the West+Arabia, the Supernova of 1054 happened 971 years ago in China and in the West+Arabia.
This gives us independent fix-points that disprove a shorter timeline for the West.

Also when we calculate the movement of the moon back we can identify a few Western solar eclipses recorded in antiquity. Same with Halley's comet: In 66 AD the sight of a comet was described, in 66 AD Halley's comet came back near earth if you calculate its movement back.

>>17834212
It just hit me. Did you mean Liao Hua from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms??

>>17834343
>Volcanic Winter of 536
Theophanes puts this a century earlier. Other Byzantine's do too.
>1257 Samalas volcanic winter
Irrelevant. Fomenko, and most other phantom time theorists, put all of the changes happening in the 12th century and earlier.
>Supernova of 1054 most prominently
Is lacking in Chinese texts.
See here:
>>"We investigate possible reasons for the absence of historical records of the supernova of 1054 in Europe."
China recorded it, but it's missing from most European national records.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/008366569596619S

The supernova only lines up the Chinese with the Japanese- but they were pretty well lined up anyways.

>This gives us independent fix-points that disprove a shorter timeline for the West.
All deconstructed. See above.
>Also when we calculate the movement of the moon back we can identify a few Western solar eclipses recorded in antiquity
So how did you refute the 1974 NASA calculations and those brought up by Fomenko exactly?

>>17834352
>Is lacking in Chinese texts.
Whoops meant European,but also across the Arab world

>>17834075
That was the gdpschizo. He also made the "artillery wins every battle" threads where he continuously moved the goalpost as he got btfo in real-time.

The best part is he actually did the math on it, and it still didn't add up to what he was saying. But he was too schizophrenic to see anything except the pattern he wanted to see in the data that wasn't correlated at all.

>>17834382
>That was the gdpschizo
I always felt like those were both the favela monkey.

>>17834103
The big dips in both graphs are literally all Mao's fault.

>>17834212
I remember that thread.
It was hilarious to see someone fail that badly.

>>17834489
>The big dips in both graphs are literally all Mao's fault.
Not ALL his fault, and if you're gonna blame him for that, you also need to give him credit for the huge spikes too.

>>17834493

WHAT THREAD? AND HOW BAD DID WHO FAIL? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>>17833360 (OP)
The Islamic Renaissance, because it never happened. It's a thousand years of Arab bullshit given new life by Orientalists in the 1960's.

>>17834505

Amen.

>>17833368
That is one of the worst and everyone who says this has also done 0 agricultural work

>>17833360 (OP)
>reddit
Saw someone say in a heavily upvoted comment that formerly oppressed peoples never feel any resentment whatsoever and it’s only the oppressors who ever hold any resentment.

>>17834548
>"work"
It's practically recreation. Maybe you're just weak?

>>17834550
jewbros, blackbros, irishbros...

>>17834553
2/10 bait; do better

>>17834556
Not even.

This thread is full of redditards who think fake history is whatever's inconvenient to their Rockefeller anti-Christian narrative.

You especially, >>17834212 anon.

The Japanese and the Koreans are ethnically Jewish.

>>17834224
>>17834210
>>17834180
>A few years earlier before him there was a guy saying that slavery drives down median wages that would go to workers. He was a little bit sharper.
Slaves were mainly used in agriculture, there were plenty states where slavery was illegal and slaves had no political rights. It's kinda odd to claim that they can be used to under-cut wages across the board.

>>17833360 (OP)
E-tradcath historiography.

>>17834611
it’s not odd at all, it’s completely sound and the same issue can be found with automation if it’s cheaper to buy and maintain a slave (robot/black/whichever)
than it is to pay a working human wages, then that is exactly what will happen

>>17834618
This

>>17834618
shutup and watch the 9 hour militant Thomist video, then when you’re done pray the Rosary in ecclesiastical Latin
and don’t forget the Chaplet of the Precious Blood, it’s July

>>17834620
Automation generally isn't illegal, slaves were geographically and occupationally limited. Somebody having slaves picking cotton in Louisiana isn't going to depress wages for florists in New Hampshire.

>>17834748
the legality isn’t a factor, if i replace the front counter clerk with a slave or an automatic kiosk the value of wages in that job title will go down

>>17833360 (OP)
Any blatant myth Simon Salva tells

>>17834078
Gibbon would have shitposted here. I feel certain of that for some reason.

>>17834814
some would say he still is…

>>17834813

I've never told any myth on here. I've never even made a single thread on here. What are you talking about?!

>>17834817
Is he in Serbia with Tupac?

>>17834818
The fire just got hotter. Tick tock.

>>17834818
Namefags are automatically wrong and there's no need to argue with them.

>>17834811
The legality literally controls whether it's possible or not, followed by whether people won't burn down your business for daring to put a negro within their sight.

>>17833368
the other part that makes me laugh about this is people who post that nonsense literally saying they wish they were a medieval serf because of some incel fantasy that if they lived in premodern times they'd be party to an arranged marriage so get handed some beautiful sex slave wife for free

If I'm going to fantasize about living in medieval times I'd fantasize about being a badass knight, or better yet a lord, instead of wanting to be a fucking peasant.

>>17833364
European is a subset of white. All Europeans are white but not all whites are European.

>>17834847
I got real mad when I couldn't use the tap in my kitchen and had to walk across the hall to fill up my kettle in the bathroom for a couple days.

Now let them imagine a world without tendies in the fridge.

>>17834881
fuck off namefag
go lick my taint
you and simon salva are the 2 most insufferable namefags on /his/

>>17834885

I really am on their tongue and lips every day, God damn.

>>17834352
>Theophanes puts this a century earlier. Other Byzantine's do too.
So, monks who lived 300 years later got it wrong, Procopius wrote about it AT THE TIME as an eye-witness.

>Irrelevant.
it absolutely isn't, you can't just claim .... welp after 1100 ad everything lines up, but before that was fan-fiction, when the periods build into each-other and family trees can still be reconstructed further back.

>useless link
The abstract doesn't claim what you think it does, the source material also doesn't. And even if, that's why Arab sources of the supernova fit also well, which has an interconnected timeline with Europe.

>NASA proved Fomenko
yeah no. Also you don't touch on Halley's comet: Appears in 1066, gets pictured in 1066, appears in 66 AD, gets mentioned in 66 AD and many other cases. To line this one up perfectly is impossible by reconstructing a new timeline, that still has the ~73 year re-occurrence of a comet, weird coincidence. Lucky Fomenko.

>>17834888
I am still convinced that the latter half of the quote was trolling. How can he claim that Germans, Russians or Swedes are non-white but Saxons are.

>that christianity is against judaism

you literally worship a jew and forced to acknowledge jewish timelines as gods will lmao

>>17834932
>How can he claim that Germans, Russians or Swedes are non-white but Saxons are.
It's not like his was a fringe opinion in the colonies...