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Anonymous No.17894003 >>17894014 >>17894017 >>17894027 >>17894036 >>17894049 >>17894052 >>17894113 >>17894432 >>17894454 >>17895118 >>17895185 >>17895411 >>17895420 >>17895671 >>17896105 >>17896218 >>17896843
Did third worldism win? All the old empires of Western Europe are gone. They took centuries to build yet fell in just a couple decades
Anonymous No.17894014 >>17895116 >>17896056
>>17894003 (OP)
Yes, furthermore we catching up to whitey.
Tick tock timmies, your time is up
Anonymous No.17894017 >>17894042 >>17894058
>>17894003 (OP)
>All the old empires of Western Europe are gone.
that's nonsense - all the best places to live are in fact in western europe. only difference between now and 150 years ago is global market means we no longer need to nanny colonials
Anonymous No.17894027 >>17894038 >>17894157
>>17894003 (OP)
Russian communism only fell after it had already achieved its main goal of global decolonization
Anonymous No.17894036
>>17894003 (OP)
No it just transformed into the more insidious form of neocolonialism (started by USA with NATO). Third worldism failed both due to external sabotage and inner infighting, so they just move to first world countries now instead of having their own countries improving
Anonymous No.17894038
>>17894027
russian judeocommunism main goal was a global gulag not decolonisation
Anonymous No.17894042
>>17894017
>that's nonsense - all the best places to live are in fact in western europe
Anonymous No.17894049 >>17894053
>>17894003 (OP)
Nah, they lost. Even this world diaspora and left tards in the first world shill against Russia and BRICS in favor of Europe.
Anonymous No.17894052 >>17894070
>>17894003 (OP)
The third world will just get cucked again but this time by Chinese.
Anonymous No.17894053 >>17894069
>>17894049
>shill against Russia and BRICS in favor of Europe.
Why do you think they shill for or against BRICS/Europe. Thats a narrow scope to view people's opinions on either.
Anonymous No.17894058 >>17894096 >>17896059
>>17894017
>that's nonsense - all the best places to live are in fact in western europe
Lmao. East Asia eclipsed West Europe and the US has way better economy and research opportunities.
Anonymous No.17894069 >>17894080
>>17894053
Even the diaspora from like South America hate South America and support US sanctions on Cuba and Venezuela and war in Russia- thatโ€™s what Iโ€™m getting at.

โ€œThird worldismโ€ didnโ€™t win because the defacto opinion in the first word is that the 3rd world deserve sanctions and war. Ask the typical man on the street his opinion on Venezuela or Russia.
Anonymous No.17894070 >>17894081 >>17894166 >>17895133
>>17894052
China doesn't really do overt colonization, and their so-called "economic colonization" is actually far more lenient than the western alternative, so I as a turd worlder personally prefer China.
Anonymous No.17894080 >>17894444
>>17894069
>takes gusanos' opinions seriously
Lmao
Anonymous No.17894081 >>17894086
>>17894070
>China doesn't really do overt colonization
Neither did most Europeans aside from Spain. British was very laissez faire and hands-off after they lost America. The French basically just traded fur with Injuns and made niggers grow crops. You don't have to maintain a presence there. You just have to buy off or assassinate any politician that's in your way. Then have a puppet sell you the rights to their resources. Then when the imperial cord is in trouble, it's easier to withdraw from the area without a massive and violent struggle.
Anonymous No.17894086 >>17894100
>>17894081
>Neither did most Europeans
And you started off with BS.

>You just have to buy off or assassinate any politician that's in your way. Then have a puppet sell you the rights to their resources. Then when the imperial cord is in trouble, it's easier to withdraw from the area without a massive and violent struggle.
That "strategy" backfired more often then not.
Anonymous No.17894096
>>17894058
how many workhours do they expect you to put in in a week?
Anonymous No.17894100 >>17895084 >>17895085
>>17894086
It's true though. French and Brits had better relations with Injuns than Americans
>That "strategy" backfired
It worked perfectly well in hindsight. Can you imagine if Britain had to roll in the tanks because India was violently revolting and killing local colonists?
Anonymous No.17894113 >>17896476 >>17896759
>>17894003 (OP)
The Global South won
Anonymous No.17894157
>>17894027
China and Russia are still empires
Anonymous No.17894166
>>17894070
That's why they're putting Uyghurs in camps with forced abortions and moving Han people in to marry their women lmao. I guess their recent naval buildup is just for cruises
Anonymous No.17894432 >>17894869 >>17894971 >>17895079
>>17894003 (OP)
It sort of won, yeah. There's a plot twist though. In the 1960s, third-worldism tended to include both (a) demands for independence / sovereignty but also (b) a self-critical attitude towards their own societies, because traditional kings, chiefs, warlords, etc. were often in cahoots with colonialists. This combined in a movement towards a sort of republican socialism.

These two tendencies began to split up though with the decline of socialism. The self-critical tendency split off in one direction and got in with liberal NGOs and became more concerned with "human rights" discourse. While the sovereigntist discourse has become (in my view) rather reactionary. It's anti-Western but usually blindly un-critical of their own societies. Also being blindly anti-Western is more often than not a way to scapegoat the white man for their problems without fundamentally addressing the problems.

You see this especially in the Sahelian juntas that have come to power in the past few years. The actual structure of rule-by-paratrooper is an updated version of the pre-colonial way of doing things when tribal war leaders called the shots. They are not doing well but they blame French conspiracies for why nothing has changed or has gotten worse and then stomp anybody who disagrees with them to death. There are some whackjob ideologies that have also latched onto these juntas, like we wuz kangz and we must retvrn stuff in their own context.
Anonymous No.17894444 >>17895076 >>17895095
>>17894080
Cuba is a total shithole and has nobody to blame but themselves
Anonymous No.17894454
>>17894003 (OP)
Literally the upper classes of the western world got exactly what they wanted.
Anonymous No.17894468
Also, there was a low-key alliance between the South African government during Apartheid and the conservative Zulu kingdom who were given their own part of the country to play in, and then there was a low-grade civil war between the Zulus and ANC (which included the communists) after Apartheid fell. Some would say that the Apartheid regime played divide-and-rule, but perhaps the Zulus also had their own pragmatic interests too.

Either way, a thing to watch for with these neo-sovereigntists is when they LARP as anti-colonial types and socialists from the 1960s but really they're just another clique which cuts deals with these same traditional power groups (in their own societies) to rule over the majority of the population without changing anything and keeping them poor and dependent. But they'll do a lot of kangz stuff to make people feel good about themselves.

If you mention Fanon, that sets some people's hair on fire, because he was anti-Western. But a part of the "Wretched of the Earth" was about the dangers of a corrupt national bourgeoisie coming to power while co-opting the language and symbols of the anti-colonial struggle. (Case in point: Jacob Zuma)
Anonymous No.17894869 >>17895060 >>17895440
>>17894432
>The actual structure of rule-by-paratrooper is an updated version of the pre-colonial way of doing things when tribal war leaders called the shots.
>rule-by-paratrooper
Is this your term? Can you expand on this?
Anonymous No.17894971 >>17895060
>>17894432
>These two tendencies began to split up though with the decline of socialism.
Both of these tendencies were violently suppressed from the 1960s up until the end of the Cold War. This is where the co-opting started. It's why everyone from Mobuto to Suharto could preach national sovereignty and anti-colonialism so long as they didn't defy the US.
Anonymous No.17895060
>>17894869
The term may be his but he is just referencing how the Paratrooper corps almost always play a key role in most African Coups.
It's insane how much they pop up.
>>17894971
But they did do that. Not on anything major.
Anonymous No.17895076 >>17895088 >>17896727
>>17894444
Nah. Sudanese spend their time screeching at everyone, being really racist and antagonizing every Latino across the spectrum
Anonymous No.17895079
>>17894432
>pre-colonial way of doing things when tribal war leaders called the shots.
Why do you call them tribal. You do know these statea in the area were very large, formalized and had structure and hierachy. Like that's is a major reason why Europeans were able to use locals auxiliaries and mercs in their expansion phase.
Anonymous No.17895084
>>17894100
>French and Brits had better relations with Injuns than Americans
Not really. Alot of the treaties were iffy and often times led to certain issuea popping up. That and Canada basically flaunting them for years. One can say that js particular to NA but several imperial powers have pretty much handeaved away treaties they themselves signed.
Anonymous No.17895085
>>17894100
>It worked perfectly well in hindsight.
Because the Euro powers pretty much lost control near instantly. More ao when stronger power factored in or co-op the prior corruption structure.
Anonymous No.17895088
>>17895076
Shit I meant Gusanos. Also a growing number of recent ones are getting deported.
Anonymous No.17895095
>>17894444
Cuba IS ashithole. However Gusanos are still massively butthurt retards. I would not trust Diaspora Venecos either btw. They have legitimate grievances however they very quickly devolve into spite and hysteria.
Anonymous No.17895100 >>17895136
Yea it's basically inevitable.

The only reason western empires existed was the ability to steal from people because you could shoot people who couldn't shoot back. No wonder timmies reclaim their masculinity or whatever by commiting mass shootings.
Anonymous No.17895116 >>17895126
>>17894014
>Tick tock timmies, your time is up
Anonymous No.17895118 >>17895188
>>17894003 (OP)
>They took centuries to build yet fell in just a couple decades
uhhhh no, not really, most of that shit was built in a handful of decades.
Anonymous No.17895126 >>17895131
>>17895116
>what india looks like after white colonization and whites installed capitalism and central banking

you sure showed them
Anonymous No.17895131 >>17895184
>>17895126
Ireland was colonized for longer and looks like this
Skill issue
Anonymous No.17895133
>>17894070
Of course you would.
Anonymous No.17895136 >>17895204 >>17895418
>>17895100
Nothing is inevitable you retard read Bergson
Anonymous No.17895184
>>17895131
Pretty much any infrastructure development and jobs in Modern Ireland are hyper concentrated in Dublin. Also the Irish got super fucked up by all those years of colonization on top of the abuses they faced as colonial subjects or as people under the whim of powerful organizations like the Catholic Church and it's abuses.
Anonymous No.17895185 >>17895190 >>17896072
>>17894003 (OP)
Thirdworldism won so hard that it's entrenched into nearly all leftist ideology. Gone are the days when leftists just cared about unions, now every single agitator and their mother has #FreePalestine in their bios
Anonymous No.17895188
>>17895118
>most of that shit was built in a handful of decades.
Not really. A lot of the colonies in the world were century long holdings and were used as springboard for further incursions and expansion of influence. Also 50+ years is still pretty long in a scale of human time.
Anonymous No.17895190 >>17895197
>>17895185
>Gone are the days when leftists just cared about unions.
Who the fuck said they only cared about unions at all back then? This board is all lmao
>now every single agitator and their mother has #FreePalestine in their bios
Why do you think you can't do both?
Anonymous No.17895197 >>17895207
>>17895190
The New Left Defense Force has arrived, huzzah!
>>>/twitter/
Anonymous No.17895204
>>17895136
>Nothing is inevitable
Certain policy actions beget inevitable results the long term. Such as using middle men ethnic group to do commerce and administrative work because white settlers refuse to do it and as a away to cut out the development of a growing native middle class with exposure and experiance with the system. It's how we got Chinese and Indians basically being the face of commerce in SEA and parts of Eastern Africa until things started to level.
Anonymous No.17895207 >>17895227
>>17895197
Why are you bringing up Twitter here or screeching about some random shit.
Anonymous No.17895227
>>17895207
ESL award
Anonymous No.17895411
>>17894003 (OP)
Africa won
The Soviet Union won
Anonymous No.17895418
>>17895136
>Nothing is inevitable
empires rise, empires fall

just like the sun at dawn and the sun at dusk
Anonymous No.17895420 >>17895432 >>17896073
>>17894003 (OP)
Third worldism scored tactical wins (decolonization, Bandung Conference), but "victory" is shaky... former colonies still grapple with neocolonialism, debt traps, and resource exploitation. The West's empires fell, but economic/cultural dominance evolved, not vanished... meanwhile, China's neo-imperialism proves power just changed hands.
Anonymous No.17895432
>>17895420
>China's neo-imperialism proves power just changed hands.
China can't really leverage it's debt. Like all the development debt in the system currently is used as way to influence and control polciy by foreign or international orgs. China's is more infrastructure based
Anonymous No.17895435 >>17895451 >>17895517 >>17895644 >>17895647 >>17896128
As Latin American I dislike the whole "third worldism" and "decolonization" movement.

First because it was promoted by Communists in the context of Cold War demonizing Western Europeans. Which are a very humanist culture from which human rights, democracy, freedom of speech, feminism, welfare state, equality before the law, tolerance, equity and rationalism aroused.

And secondly because it was just pretext for Islam to attack Christianity by trying to associate Islam with anti-colonialism and Christianity with oppression. The very core of Bandung Conference were Muslims doing all of this with Soviet back-up.

So no, I don't feel in any sense related with such movement. To me it quite represent the most loser behavior from cultures that wanna return to Middle-Ages/Prehistory or want to impose Middle-Ages into others as Muslims.

One thing is saying no to European imperialism, the other is to demonize an entire civilization and trying to impose backward that will make many countries return to Dark Ages.

China is the ideal to me to some degree if I had to ignore its terrible dictatorship.
Anonymous No.17895440 >>17895901
>>17894869
Anonymous No.17895451 >>17895594 >>17895600
>>17895435
>As Latin American I dislike the whole "third worldism" and "decolonization" movement.
Anonymous No.17895517
>>17895435
>China is the ideal to me to some degree if I had to ignore its terrible dictatorship.
China isn't a dictatorship because it doesn't have a dictator. I recommend you to study the Enabling Act of 1933, it's a perfect example of what a dictator is and it will help you understand why China doesn't have a dictatorship.
Anonymous No.17895594 >>17896128
>>17895451
Well would you rather have us be indigenists?
Anonymous No.17895600
>>17895451
While most latinxs here are like that. That man sounds more like an old school dem/liberal western chauvinist
Anonymous No.17895644
>>17895435
>Which are a very humanist culture from which human rights, democracy, freedom of speech, feminism, welfare state, equality before the law, tolerance, equity and rationalism aroused.
Lmao? Western Euros constantly rescind those or change the boundaries to fit convenience. Just like how we are now having an online surveillance thing going on, or much the progress on women's rights in the workplace is totally self-congratulatory wanking.
Anonymous No.17895647
>>17895435
>it was just pretext for Islam to attack Christianity by trying to associate Islam with anti-colonialism and Christianity with oppression
Many in those movements were Christian. Why create such weird self-persecution narrative.
Anonymous No.17895671
>>17894003 (OP)
They didn't fall, they evolved into multinational corporations with an iron fisted grip on the entire planets economy. Also, they're run by Jews now.
Anonymous No.17895901
>>17895440
Given that we are talking about the Prussia of East Africa. I have a fun factoid to share:
Did you know that some sections of the French far right espouse Rwandan Genocide denial? Apparently it began when Kagame came to blows with the french or something like that. It's gotten fairly developed over the years.
Anonymous No.17896056
>>17894014
In the end everyone will suffer equally because of you
Nice
Anonymous No.17896059
>>17894058
>He thinks South Korea or Singapore is nicer to live in than Spain or Switzerland or Austria
Hahahah okay whatever you want to believe
Anonymous No.17896072
>>17895185
Third worldism didnโ€™t win at all really. It became a tool of great power games.
If thirdies won America and Israel wouldnโ€™t be running the show.
Itโ€™s similar to pajeets being brought to Africa in WWI and then when Germany surrenders the jeets claim they conquer Germany.
Itโ€™s cope and dishonest and everyone can see it.
Anonymous No.17896073 >>17896102
>>17895420
>neo
Just say it like it is, thirdies, for biological reasons, are less intelligent, less organized, less capable, and this means they are destined to be ruled by foreign races.
Anonymous No.17896102
>>17896073
> they are destined to be ruled by foreign races
Currently it is whities who are being ruled by foreign races... Remember Obama? Or that one pakistanit PM in England.
Anonymous No.17896105
>>17894003 (OP)
>my people destroyed civilization
Yes, tragic. Now you'll all have to be destroyed because treating you like equals failed.
Anonymous No.17896128
>>17895435
>>17895594
You are a caricature of a contrarian chud.
1. Third worldism is against the colonizer, it's not a "kill whitey" ideology
2. You do know third worldism was lead by elites educated in Western universities and influenced by Enlightenment thinking right?
3. Political Islam is an entirely different movement born out of dissatisfaction with secular nationalist regimes in the Arab world and not anti-colonial struggle. It has little to no overlap with third worldism
4. You contradict yourself by praising China, a third world country
Anonymous No.17896218
>>17894003 (OP)
Only in a way that it seems like the entire world is becoming a third world nation.
Anonymous No.17896476 >>17897190
>>17894113
China and Russia are not in the south
Anonymous No.17896727
>>17895076
What are Sudanese doing in Cuba?
Anonymous No.17896759
>>17894113
>poor people points
Anonymous No.17896843
>>17894003 (OP)
yes, though in some ways the former colonial powers and their pet development projects have become strange canaries in the coalmine for a general demographic decline and economic stagnation that seems to be spreading across the world and tied to the "modern" lifestyle of developed countries

interestingly even SSA birthrates are now declining as urbanization and internet access spreads
Anonymous No.17897184
No, Abu Ammar, third-worldism did not win.
Anonymous No.17897190
>>17896476
China obviously is, maybe Russia not but they sure love larping as such