Thread 17901666

How much longer would Japan have lasted if the atomic bombs hadn't been used?

Depends on whether the US rolls back the unconditional surrender dogma or not.
If they do, the war can end the day after Germany's defeat

Same date, right after the USSR invaded. Not because they were more scared of muh red army but because up until that point Japanese leadership thought that the Soviets would help them reach a negotiated settlement.

if you read the rise and fall of 3rd reich, german high command were hoping for japan to strike taiwan or singapore, mostly british bases in pacific but not east like phillipines or hawaii
huge autism on part of imperial command to not work with germans

America could have firebombed Hiroshima and Nahaskai instead.
Would that have made you feel better?

Poor guy. Radiation poisoning is a hell of a thing.
Anyways, they could have lasted a couple more years.

>>17901666 (OP)

Probably into 1946

>>17902652
>years
Not on empty stomachs.

>>17901697
The "unconditional surrender" became kind of a joke because the Japanese high command pretty much only signed it after the Americans agreed to leave the Emperor alone, i.e. it already wasn't actually unconditional. The Americans already didn't want to do that nor they wanted a land invasion, while Japan already wanted peace, but there was debate inside the government on how much concessions to give (even the most hardline faction understood that they lost but hoped they could just go back to 1937 borders).

Then everyone in Japan freaked out when the USSR got involved because 1. they hoped Stalin would mediate a peace treaty between the allies 2. they didn't want Japan to get occupied and turned into a commie state. This was a far bigger factor in their surrender than the nukes.

So most likely they would have lasted a couple more months without the bombs, and maybe get somewhat better terms, eg. even less prosecution of war criminals etc. while still officially signing unconditional surrender.

I wonder if the Emperor would have said anything to the opposite if the War Council voted to continute the war.

>>17904022
>only signed it after the Americans agreed to leave the Emperor alone

When did we agree to that?

>>17901764
>german high command were hoping for japan to strike taiwan

Their own island (Formosa)?

>>17901666 (OP)
probably not to long, even without an invasion Japan was pretty much starving by that point

>>17905237

Yeah but so long as they could feed themselves, the Japanese leadership didn't care one bit. They basically regarded their own people as retarded cattle to be expended.

>>17901754
Ussr didn't have the fleet to invade Japan.