Do the atheists on here have a response to pic related by now?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/

>>17906548
TLDR?

>>17906529 (OP)
No matter how you cut it, religion is nothing more than a cultural phenomenon and it is being cast aside because it is not only unnecessary it is also a primitive tool of control & manipulation

https://youtu.be/iZ7IAhLLw28?si=EaKqnpovba8gHEkh

>>17906529 (OP)
> I need God to be sure that 2+2=4
That was always retarded idea.

>>17906679
Are you confusing a logical fact for an actual fact?

>>17906721
Are you confusing confusions with confusions???

>>17906673
That's ironic consideration secularism is golobohomo consumerism and identifying as an atheist is merely being a victim of globohomo pop culture gobbling it all up thinking you're enlightened hot shit.

>>17906731

>>17906731
Why are you people unable to argue against atheism without conflating it with all the political beliefs or societal trends you don't like?

>>17906738
You ARE the societal trend doofus.

>>17906746
I just don't believe in gods

And what's there to argue about anyways?

>>17906747
Wow, what an unique opinion.

>>17906754
Still not an argument against atheism

>>17906758
You don't argue against gobbledygook or fallacies, you leave them as it is.

>>17906529 (OP)
>ooga booga bronze age tribe makes up a convenient little cope about their storm god being "infinitely powerful" because they kept getting assraped by other people so they claim that ackchyually our god controls them and uses them to punish us for failing
>a shitty fanfic built on top of this becomes popular in Rome, a state known for violating religious IP like they did with the Greeks
>retards are now left with trying to apply logic to the "infinite" bullshit leftover artifact
>attempt to claim there are absolute objective truths
>while also having to do the mental gymnastics of believing in literal magical hocus pocus which by definition violate these supposed universally objective facts

>>17906784
>The supernatural is not real cause it's not natural.
Isn't that just circular logic though?

>>17906777
The surest sign someone is losing an argument is instead of making a good comment from their side of the argument they resort to personal attacks

Congratulations you just lost the argument :D

>Nothing actual can be proven or known without an infallible source
Prove it.

>>17906796
It's also not observable, testable or logically consistent.

just to let everybody know, OP is some burma fag that got to full of himself once, spams these types of threads where he tries to wank himself witht he most retarded aruements known to man, and embarrassed on a live youtube show or some shit like that, in other words you are wasting your time with him

>>17906738
If your church is losing suckers to scalp money from you better go get a real job, maybe you can flip burgers at a McDonalds

>>17906804

>>17906805
Ad-hominem but still impressive.
How'd you guess the burma part? Was that just a wild guess?
Or do you live here? (On 4chan).

>>17906803
I don't know (pun) if you're being serious but you don't know something if you could be wrong.

>>17906529 (OP)
>Nothing actual can be proven or known without an infalliable source
Incorrect
>Things are known
Incorrect
>God exists
Incorrect

This is pretty easy to dismantle if you aren't schizophrenic. There's never been any evidence for any sort of gods and religion seems to exist mostly as a social ritual, hence belief window shoppers on this website and Twitter trying out various flavors of Abrahamism for the purposes of better supporting white nationalism

Nothing but buttroasted atheoids ITT so far
OP’s screencap is a lot of what I already noticed.
The final logical conclusion to atheism is saying nothing truly exists. And yet, all they do is take stances and positions which (per their worldview) could never be substantiated in the first place.
Pathetic people. You’d think they’d at least be non-religious deists so they wouldn’t go insane.

>>17906832
I'm not even attacking you but that's just vigorously enforcing your opinion.
Also, it's a whole different subject but schizophrenia isn't real, it isn't a thing. It's ironic really.
It's a convenient secular safe term for demonic foolery.
I mean you can even look up the very imagery of schizophrenia and it's brazenly demonic.

>>17906848
>I'm not even attacking you but that's just vigorously enforcing your opinion.
Your opinion means nothing and is backed up by nothing concrete so ultimately this is pretty much a debate between two preferences of metaphysics.
>Also, it's a whole different subject but schizophrenia isn't real, it isn't a thing. It's ironic really.
Wrong.
>It's a convenient secular safe term for demonic foolery.
Wrong again.
>I mean you can even look up the very imagery of schizophrenia and it's brazenly demonic.
Probably because demons are inspired by schizophrenic delusions.

Abraham was schizophrenic. He checks every box on the DSM.
>Self mutilation, particularly of the genitalia (Circumcision)
>Self aggrandizement (You shall be as numerous as the grains of sand and shall rule over all)
>Auditory hallucinations (Voice of God)
>Irrational compulsions (Sacrifice your son because a voice in your head told you to)
The final nail in the coffin is that schizophrenia is hereditary and Jews have the highest rates of schizophrenia out of any ethnic group.

>>17906863
I speak both logical fact (first premise) and actual fact (second premise).
And as I predicted, you speak only vehemently denial (nuh uh).
I don't blame you though, there really isn't much else you could do anyways, with the burden of opinion and all.

>>17906529 (OP)
>things are known

How do you know?

>>17906880
Same way I know that the universe exists, or that nature will continue to be uniform, or that there aren't flying spaghetti monsters, ad infinitum, God makes me know.
If you're asking the process, I don't know.

>>17906868
>I speak both logical fact (first premise) and actual fact (second premise).
Incorrect. You haven't stated a fact. Your schizophrenia is acting up
>And as I predicted, you speak only vehemently denial (nuh uh).
I already explained how Abrahamism is built off mental illness and you didn't refute it. That means I won already. One post was all it took to reduce you to shambles. Pretty sad desu
>I don't blame you though, there really isn't much else you could do anyways, with the burden of opinion and all.
Burden of opinion doesn't exist. It's just a mouthful of Greek salad. You lost three posts ago.

>>17906885
I would argue the only thing you can truly know is that you are conscious. You could be a brain in a vat and you would still know that you’re conscious, but nothing else of the universe.

I can already predict the next reply anyways so let me just go on ahead with it.
atheists often ask "How do you know that you know?" Which is a really oblivious question and can go an ad infinitum.
>How do you know that you know that you know?
It's tye same as asking if it is possible that it's possible. It's redundant.
To clear up the confusion of the wording, it's literally just the previous question:
>How do you know?

>>17906885
>I know that the universe exists
You could be a brain in a jar having sensory stimuli buzzed into your wetware. Can you prove that the universe exists as you percieve it?
>nature will continue to be uniform
Nature isn't uniform
>There aren't FSMs
Prove it
>God makes me know
God makes me know you're wrong.

>>17906898
You're dodging the question again anon.

>>17906894
You could technically argue, but that's not true.
So it's often unnecessary and not entertained like any other obvious falsehoods, like paganism. Which is how it died. And Islam. Unless circumstances.
That is to say, atheists always choose the most horrific examples to make their point. Which ends up in irony.

Things we already know.

>>17906826
How do you know that?

>>17906917
>How do you know a 4 wheeler has four wheels?

>>17906924
So you don't know?

>>17906673
>3minutes
He thinks hell is infinite punishment for finite crimes when the point is that no loving god would force you to live with him forever if you didn't like him

And before that he mentions the God of the Gaps and frankly that is a weak argument given that science as we wouldn't know it wouldn't exist without Christianity to say that the universe is discernible. There's a reason the scientific revolutions are sourced from Christendom and not China or Africa.

>>17906805
I enjoy these cope threads simply because they illustrate the type of disingenous retards that hold these positions

>>17906845
Not even making fun of them but I think they are all teenagers.

>>17906548
fpbp

but i'll bite the pic related bait anyway >>17906529 (OP)


>Things are known
which things are known? You have to answer this point if you want to prove god's existence.

If you point to something and say you know it because ... god was involved somehow (like granting you the wisdom, making the world knowable etc), then you are running a circular argument. That is, you infallibly know something because god exists, and also god exists because you know something infallibly.

If you instead point to knowing something infallibly and make reference only to features of the world, without ever involving god in the picture, you haven't proven anything other than being able to know something infallibly.

>>17906529 (OP)
>knowledge is a belief which cannot be wrong, infallible
This is utterly retarded. No one thinks beliefs must be infallible to be knowledge. Knowledge is a belief which is TRUE. I know that I ate pizza yesterday, not because my memory is infallible (it is not), but because my memory is true.
Please learn the most basic epistemology before posting this idiotic screencap.

>>17907038
Calling all arguments circular in an attempt for a win just loses all meaning.
But even then there is no proving anything without God to begin with.

My argument against atheists is that for 15-20€ you can pic a book to do magick, summon demons/yokai and 20€ tops isn't a savage price to get a definite answer.

My argument against Christian religion is that their exorcism doesnt fly.

>>17907043
Trying to debate presups as if you're going to get anywhere is even more retarded lol. Just point and laugh

>>17906529 (OP)
Knowledge doesn't necessarily have to be an integer, either 0 or 1. It can be a real in [0,1] instead.

>>17907053
>But even then there is no proving anything without God to begin with.
I'm trying to understand this dumb argument.
1) We can't prove anything without God existing
2) But we can prove things
3) Therefore, God exists
Both 1) and 2) require proof. But the premise of 1) is that God has to exist for 1) and 2) to be proven. So you have to assume the conclusion 3), that God exists, for the premises to be true. That's just circular reasoning. The argument ends up as "God exists if you assume that God exists."
>>17907078
I'm not trying to get anywhere with them. I find philosophy of religion arguments fun, and though we can't convince them it's a bad idea to let presups dupe neutral onlookers with bad arguments.

>>17906529 (OP)
>Knowledge is a belief which cannot be wrong, infallible, synonymous with proof which cannot be false.

Why do retards love to show the world that they are ignorant imbeciles who do not even know what the word epistemology means? Infallibilism is a fringe, discredited view, and is at the core of this retarded pseudoargument.

>>17907127
>You can't be infallible without infallibility.
>This requires proof.
Why are you like this? Are you trolling? Are you flaunting the fact that you can speak?

>>17906803
They cant actually prove it is the point. Thats why there is so much arguing. But there is a lot of manipulation and mental fuckery involved, and its mostly a competition of who can grift others more, like a game of capture the flag.
Ive gone through quite a bit that ultimately has led me to think that there isnt anything like they make it out to be. And sometimes they just want to sell us a turd covered in pearls and call it God and I dont want it.

>>17907127
>let presups dupe
I dont think they're trying to dupe intellectuals, they're cultists, they're just corralling/steering people that are naturally retarded enough to believe the bs. You are throwing your pearls before swine as it were. I agree it is fun but it's at best mental masturbation.

>>17906529 (OP)
You are Indian

>>17907174
>resorts to deceitful adhominem coping.

>>17907187
You will never be Chinese

>>17907197
That's an insult but.. it's all skewed up, I don't even know how to respond.

>>17907187
How self-hating do you have to be, in order to construe that as an attack against your character? Whew

>>17907205
I'm neither Indian nor Chinese. Both of them are an insult. Nobody likes either, we know them.

>>17907210
*we know them both.

>>17907210
NE Indians, are not.. Indians?
Look, I'm sorry - this is clearly a sore spot for you. I didn't actually mean to be really mean

>>17907222
I mean I'm not even born in India, neither do I even resembles an Indian in anyway.
This is the whole Indians are asians thing.
They are not.

>>17907228
Yeah, you told me earlier when you called into Dillahunty, you look Chinese

>>17907246
How did Matt do?

>>17906529 (OP)
you just stole my thread from /lit/

>>17907281
I don't go there anymore, I'm surprised they even let your thread up.
It's the TAG one right?

>>17906529 (OP)
>knowledge itself is a belief that cannot be wrong
How can such beliefs exist if you suppose that an omnipotent entity which can change reality at will exists? Any so-called "knowledge" you may hold is nothing but an expectation based on past experiences which may be invalidated on a whim by said omnigger.

>>17907127
Correct.
>>17907143
Strawman/Non-sequitur. You lost.

Why are you so racist against Indian?

I like Naruto.

>>17907302
yea but dumb /his/ fags infested it now and all interesting conversation is over

>>17907403
And the award for the most transparently Latin-American Post toever be made goes tooooo

>>17906529 (OP)
Atheist intellectuals are self-obsessed materialists. They worship themselves. They love believing that they know everything.

>>17906809
This ^^^ is a great example of most atheists. They're only capable of thinking in terms of Abrahamic religions with a man in the sky.

>>17906845
That's my problem with liberal secular humanists. They don't believe in anything, nothing actually matters, yet they sperg over certain things. They worship themselves and try to be the moral police without having any actual real beliefs.