Thread 17907325

Why did he do it

>>17907325 (OP)
For money. Remember to sage.

>>17907340
Then why did he throw the 30 pieces of silver in the temple afterwards

>>17907374
You're retarded. Learn to read.

>>17907325 (OP)
I feel like there is some symbolism or metaphor within the kiss that is highly specific to that era and culture but is now lost forever. I don’t understand why someone famous who “preached in the temples everyday” in his own words would need some guy to identify him and with a kiss as well.

Doesn’t anyone find it weird that a Jewish dude scantily clad, was roaming around town living in outskirts in a tent with 12 other virile young men. WTF was going on in that tent during hot middle eastern nights. Why doesn’t anyone ask the obvious questions

>>17907393
>I don't have any capacity for critical thought.
Thanks for letting us know, we'll gladly ignore everything you have to say about every topic.

>>17907396
Those flames just got hotter. You're done.

>>17907400

What do you think was happening in that tent, a rabbi and 12 scantily clad young men sleeping together in a tent away from civilization in outskirts. An

>>17907325 (OP)
(((Ju)))das.

>>17907325 (OP)
Never happened. Jesus still consider Judas his friend. But distorted perception made people believe Judas, Jesus' friend, was a traitor. Distorted perception made people believe Jesus, the Son of God, was crucified and killed by men, like if God would allow someone like Jesus to pay for the sins of others.

Never happened.

>>17907325 (OP)
A mixture of natural jewish behavior and demonic possesion

>>17907393
Idk about metaphor, but there's a precedent for a kiss being associated with betrayal in 2 Samuel 20.
>When they were at the large stone that is in Gibeon, Amasa came to meet them. Now Joab was wearing a soldier’s garment, and over it was a belt with a sword in its sheath fastened at his waist; as he went forward, it fell out. Joab said to Amasa, “Is it well with you, my brother?” And Joab took Amasa by the beard with his right hand to kiss him. But Amasa did not notice the sword in Joab’s hand; Joab struck him in the belly so that his entrails poured out on the ground, and he died. He did not strike a second blow.

>>17907530
Maybe also to a lesser extent Proverbs 27:6
>Well meant are the wounds a friend inflicts, but profuse are the kisses of an enemy.

For a couple pieces of silver. Truly a shameful act, not sure why the Instruments of the Passion also include the head of Judas.

>>17907325 (OP)
My schizo theory: he was told to do it by Jesus

When he said "one of you will betray me", he wasn't talking about Judas, he was talking about Peter

Peter founded what would eventually become the Catholic Church and declared himself the leader of the apostles and the final authority in the early church (waiting until Jesus had died to do so, of course)

"Peter" means "rock", and Jesus gave him that name: the common interpretation is that it means "bedrock" or "solid foundation", but rock can also mean "stubborn", or even "as dumb as a rock"

Peter had closed his heart off to Christ's teachings and believed that he and he alone understood what Jesus was really talking about

Judas was told by Jesus to "betray" him to the Romans, Jesus knew the early church would never survive unless it was behind a strong leader like Peter (for all his faults, he was an effective leader), and he also told Judas to take his own life after he had been found out, because it would be far kinder than what the rest of the apostles would do to him

Judas was reluctant, of course, but he knew he had to do it because Jesus had never steered him wrong before

Judas should be canonised, and Peter should have his sainthood revoked: he was the first antichrist (meaning literally "against Christ" and "in the place of Christ"), and all subsequent bishops of Rome have been the antichrist as well (there are many antichrists, but there's only ever one at any given time)

>>17907718
I wouldn't be so hard on Peter (though be can take it, being the rock and all), but I do like to imagine that Judas has not only been saved but honoured, having been willing to be hated and assumed damned for generations to help carry out the plan.

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

But there is an obstacle to that interpretation, which is that at least in our version of the story Jesus says it would be better for Judas to not have been born (Matthew 26:24). Then again, Ecclesiastes 4:3 has it that everyone would be better off not having been born, but then again again, maybe that's just Solomon being depressed.

>>17907836
It could be made to fit with the heretical doctrine, attributed to Origen, which is (I think) that all souls were created in the beginning to contemplate God, but, having free will, each fell away except Jesus and so was born. In that case, it would be true of everyone including Judas that it would be better if they had not been born because that would be just a roundabout way of saying that it would be better if their souls had never fallen away from the contemplation of God.
https://ehrmanblog.org/did-we-exist-before-we-were-born/

>>17907891
Maybe Judas would have understood what Jesus meant by saying that, while to everyone else it would have appeared to have a very different meaning.