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Anonymous No.17920957 >>17920959 >>17920966 >>17920976 >>17921019 >>17921044 >>17921068 >>17921112 >>17922316 >>17923690 >>17923792 >>17924918 >>17924936 >>17924942 >>17924982 >>17924994 >>17924996 >>17925961 >>17927130 >>17927236 >>17927679
Why was keeping the Union together a matter of such paramount importance?
Anonymous No.17920959 >>17920970 >>17920998
>>17920957 (OP)
>why is having your country remain on track for global super power status important?
>why not have multiple countries like Europe that some warlord will have to reconquer a hundred years later?
Anonymous No.17920966 >>17920969 >>17920970 >>17920974
>>17920957 (OP)
I'm pretty sure "don't destroy the fucking country" is like, the single most important duty of a leader
Anonymous No.17920969
>>17920966
you just know some hick is about to reply
>the confederates didnt want to conquer the north
Anonymous No.17920970 >>17920995 >>17922311
>>17920959
America is objectively more similar in structure to Europe as a result of the Civil War than it would have been otherwise.

>>17920966
America wasn't a single-state entity until after the war. Before then it was a federation of independent states which was a founding principle of the country. How could something be destroyed that didn't exist pre-Reconstruction?
Anonymous No.17920974 >>17921089 >>17925005
>>17920966
Does the USA exist to preserve republican values or the state? Hint: read the 2nd ammendment
Anonymous No.17920976
>>17920957 (OP)
It is if you're a dictator, pic rel
Anonymous No.17920992
^great pic bro
Anonymous No.17920995 >>17920999 >>17921000
>>17920970
>America is objectively more similar in structure to Europe as a result of the Civil War than it would have been otherwise.
in what way or metrics? I was going to verify this on ai, but you didnt even give me the bare minimum to fact check.
Anonymous No.17920998 >>17921004
>>17920959
>some warlord will have to reconquer
Why would they have to do this exactly?
Anonymous No.17920999
>>17920995
>AI
No, please, dont
Anonymous No.17921000 >>17921002
>>17920995
Why take it up with you at all when I could ask an AI myself? lmao
Anonymous No.17921002 >>17921005
>>17921000
ok please do use ai.
But you've given me nothing to even research myself. You came in and said
>America is just like Europe

And then left.
Anonymous No.17921004
>>17920998
Because Italy, Germany, Hungary did the same thing eventually?
Anonymous No.17921005 >>17921007
>>17921002
Do you need an AI to explain to you how centralization relates to the European model?
Anonymous No.17921007 >>17921013 >>17921014
>>17921005
I do not really give a shit about arguing and debates and just come here to find something outrageous and then ask ai if its true.
Anonymous No.17921013 >>17925954
>>17921007
Definitely not good.
You should get your information validates through academical essays and articles
Anonymous No.17921014 >>17921029
>>17921007
lmao how's that working out for you?
Anonymous No.17921019 >>17921023 >>17921035 >>17923793 >>17924964
>>17920957 (OP)
Wasn't Abe unironically pen pals with Marx?
Anonymous No.17921023
>>17921019
I've never seen evidence of that but it is something I've been curious about. Supposedly Marx was writing op-eds for American publications during Lincoln's time but whether Lincoln read or corresponded with him directly is unclear.
Anonymous No.17921029 >>17921045 >>17921065
>>17921014
pretty good actually, but kind of sad. People think im some genius because I can actually explain omega 3:6 ratios and explain the difference between UV and Infrared and Melatonin production. Theres been times I discussed philosophy with philosophy majors and then they are a bit surprised when I haven't actually read their books. Recently I had to go over the history of Putin and his grief with NATO to some generic Ukraine supporter because they didnt even know about the "1 inch" quote.

It's fair to call me a midwit retard because Ive never put in the effort to look into academic journals. But to be honest, no one has ever challenged me by giving facts that usurp my stances. They just say "read this 500 pg book" and then I get bored and move onto another topic because I honestly care more about being entertained than to win some internet argument.

you'll probably respond with "nice blog faggot" anyway. While ai would actually commence in dialectics and propose a plan like "read 10 pages of this author a day"
Anonymous No.17921035 >>17923722
>>17921019
Marx wrote to him, but lots of people write to the President of the United States. If I write a letter to Trump, we're not exactly pen pals
Anonymous No.17921044 >>17921063
>>17920957 (OP)
>Why was keeping the Union together a matter of such paramount importance?
1)European colonialist.
2)see no. 1
In 1850 the US was about as powerful as modern Brazil today and UK/France were each about as powerful as modern China but much more aggressive (aggression level of Israel). America falling apart would have guaranteed colonialization.
Anonymous No.17921045 >>17921076
>>17921029
Why do you have stances on topics you're uninitiated with though? That's not what usurp means btw.
Anonymous No.17921063 >>17921072 >>17923795 >>17925013
>>17921044
Lots of people don't know that France basically just took over Mexico whilst the US was fighting its civil war
Anonymous No.17921065 >>17921076
>>17921029
What's the point of pretending to know about something to strangers on the internet? I could imagine someone attempting this trick irl to impress people in social interactions, but it would be embarrassing as hell if you got exposed by someone who actually knows what they're talking about
Anonymous No.17921068
>>17920957 (OP)
Freemasons and Jews.
Anonymous No.17921072
>>17921063
Maxamillian
Anonymous No.17921076 >>17925462
>>17921045
Not really stances but more opinions. Like I just watched an anime episode and have an opinion about the plot, but it's not really something im passionate about. (most of the time)

I had to learn through ai about basic economics like how the Velocity of Money through taxes (100 years war), merchants and the Dutch stock market is what lead to modern day capitalism in combination with the protestant work ethic and general deconstruction of scholasticism via people like Des Carte. All through ai. This is why I am no longer pro crypto because I view crypto as money hoarding. I do not even think taxes are a matter of fairness or ethics but rather means to prevent money hoarding. But in my actual Economics 101 class, I was never given this history lesson and was just taught about GDP. Not even about Kuznet warning about the GDP.

To low iq people I sound like a genius, but to economists, I am just a midwit. So I proceed to lurk the discussion of smarter people and inquire more from ai.

>>17921065
I have been embarrassed on several occasions. So I proceed to go back to ai to learn more on the topic. I do not care about impressing people and actually like being corrected with facts because I find it interesting.
Anonymous No.17921089 >>17921107
>>17920974
The USA, like all nation states, primarily exists to continue its own existence. Secondary to that are its values.
Any state that has it the other way around will before to long cease to exist.
Anonymous No.17921107
>>17921089
Values are part of living a happy human life. If the people of the nation have been deprived of their values because they're constantly pre-empted by some political self-interest, then you'll be spending all your time trying to preserve the state by dragging everyone along with you into something they don't want to support, which is what's happening in the USA right now. If that's the strategy for preserving the state in the long term, then it's not a very good one.
Anonymous No.17921112 >>17921117
>>17920957 (OP)
>Why was keeping the Union together
Because states like Kentucky were pressured into joining the Confederates against their will

Also, the US was operating under the idea that the South was never independent in the first place and was temporarily taken over by insurrectionists. At no point was the Confederate States of America ever considered its own independent entity.
Anonymous No.17921117 >>17921120
>>17921112
King George was operating under the idea that the 13 colonies were never independent in the first place and temporarily taken over by insurrectionists
Anonymous No.17921120 >>17921126 >>17921136
>>17921117
>King George was operating under the idea that the 13 colonies were never independent in the first place and temporarily taken over by insurrectionists
That's really cool retard, except the 13 Colonies already had international recognition by Morocco and France. The CSA never once had any such recognition
Anonymous No.17921126
>>17921120
How did international recognition of the colonies change the crown's attitude towards them? France was already at odds with Britain so why would the Brits care what they think? Lincoln still treated the South like they were under his crown regardless.
Anonymous No.17921136 >>17924973
>>17921120
ah yes, the superpower of Morrocco
Anonymous No.17922311 >>17922340
>>17920970
Before then it was a federation of independent states which was a founding principle of the country
Wrong. The idea the union was insolvable dates back the articles of confederation, and the idea that states could just leave was never universally agreed to, it was an untested interpretation that everyone knew would result in a war if tried.
Anonymous No.17922316
>>17920957 (OP)
>why
northwestfront dot info
Anonymous No.17922340
>>17922311
You admit the matter of secession was not explicitly addressed, but are still pretending there was any legal standing for oppressing it. The "idea" of an indivisible union might predate the actual Constitution but that doesn't hold its weight in salt. The whole reason the pledge of allegiance was written was to indoctrinate the word "indivisible" and that was in direct response to the Civil War.

Again, there would be no need for Reconstruction if the Union was to be considered indivisible from its foundation.
Anonymous No.17923690
>>17920957 (OP)
Northern industry wanted cheap building materials.
Anonymous No.17923722 >>17923758 >>17923781
>>17921035
Trump is personally friends with all 4chan
Anonymous No.17923758
>>17923722
Then where is my invitation to his birthday party?
Anonymous No.17923781
>>17923722
The Jewish's ball sucker?
Anonymous No.17923790 >>17924918
If it was voluntary for states to join the union why wasn't it voluntary for them to leave?
Isn't it basically Brexit?
Anonymous No.17923792
>>17920957 (OP)
Money
Anonymous No.17923793
>>17921019
yes
Anonymous No.17923795
>>17921063
They almost stopped fighting and briefly considered teaming up to go deal with that
Anonymous No.17924918
>>17920957 (OP)
For Lincoln, it was geographical proximity that made the dissolution of the union impossible. Like getting a divorce but still having to live in the same house with your estranged wife.
>>17923790
Lincoln argued that a Constitutional amendment would be necessary to release a state from the union.
Anonymous No.17924936
>>17920957 (OP)
The North wanted the entirety of the South as slaves to help fund their lifestyle. That's why they imported a bunch of people and paid em peanuts
Anonymous No.17924942
>>17920957 (OP)
Immortal deserved it guys
Anonymous No.17924964
>>17921019
There's one letter. By that definition Abraham Lincoln was best buddies with Pope Pius IX because there was more than one letter. Lincoln was trying to persuade Pius IX that Archbishop of New York "Dagger" John Hughes should be made into a cardinal. Didn't work.
Anonymous No.17924973
>>17921136
nigga don't know 'bout them Barbary Corsairs
Anonymous No.17924982
>>17920957 (OP)
>Why was keeping the Qing Empire together and maintaining the Mandate of Heaven a matter of such paramount importance?
Anonymous No.17924994 >>17925002 >>17925146
>>17920957 (OP)
Lincoln saved/made America
cry about it
Anonymous No.17924996 >>17925146
>>17920957 (OP)
Its your number one job as head of state
Anonymous No.17925002
>>17924994
Lincoln destroyed America and made all of us slaves to the federal government
Anonymous No.17925005
>>17920974
>read the 2nd ammendment
what exactly do you think "militia" and "the security of a free state" means in an 18th century context
Anonymous No.17925013
>>17921063
and failed massively
Anonymous No.17925075 >>17925975
I'm sure Lincoln went into great depth about it but I always found he was a charlatan that had no shortage of words for which he had no feelings for
Anonymous No.17925146
>>17924994
>Lincoln made America
lmao

>>17924996
*every state
Anonymous No.17925462 >>17925494
>>17921076
> do not even think taxes are a matter of fairness or ethics but rather means to prevent money hoarding
This is just Keynesian nonsense. "Money hoarding" is just saving, and if it's happening en mass then that's just a symptom of economic distortions, not the root cause.
>This is why I am no longer pro crypto because I view crypto as money hoarding
Most but not all crypto are ponzi schemes, including Bitcoin. The non-ponzi ones are stuff like Monero, which people actually use to buy/trade goods and services instead of solely hoarding.
Anonymous No.17925494 >>17926090
>>17925462
Cant believe someone actually replied days later.

>This is just Keynesian nonsense. "Money hoarding" is just saving, and if it's happening en mass then that's just a symptom of economic distortions, not the root cause.
ai told me what gave birth to capitalism was when assets like gold and jewels that Lords and maybe some peasants held were forced to change hands with things like taxes, tempting merchant goods or investing into stocks. And that the Catholic Church came out several times and said this was unChristian which is why savings and hoarding appeals to the conservative crowd.
I figured that people who hoard gold and bitcoin to "save" (which is much different than saving via bank account, bonds or dividends) was a resurfacing of Lords holding onto golds and jewels.

Further poor people are more likely to spend on frivolous things like iPhones, junk food and streaming services, which is why the government is incentivized to give poor people more money to do this. While rich people are ironically more frugal. Conservatives actually agree with this, except they think that CEOs giving their poor workers money to go back to the economy is much more effective than the government doing this.
Anonymous No.17925954
>>17921013
Or just read books
Anonymous No.17925961 >>17926570
>>17920957 (OP)
Anonymous No.17925975
>>17925075
>for which he had no feelings for
By all accounts, the war absolutely wrecked him physically, mentally, and emotionally.
There are a ton of contemporary comments about his physical degradation during the war, how much he started to look like shit as it dragged on.
Anonymous No.17926090
>>17925494
>ai told me what gave birth to capitalism was when assets like gold and jewels that Lords and maybe some peasants held were forced to change hands with things like taxes, tempting merchant goods or investing into stocks
People were already trading goods and services before whatever gold tax your AI is talking about.
>I figured that people who hoard gold and bitcoin to "save" (which is much different than saving via bank account, bonds or dividends) was a resurfacing of Lords holding onto golds and jewels.
The reason more people are saving in gold, crypto, or other assets is because they want a hedge against inflation or the the possible collapse of the U.S dollar.
>Further poor people are more likely to spend on frivolous things like iPhones, junk food and streaming services, which is why the government is incentivized to give poor people more money to do this. While rich people are ironically more frugal. Conservatives actually agree with this, except they think that CEOs giving their poor workers money to go back to the economy is much more effective than the government doing this.
In order to reallocate that wealth everyone gets taxed, including relatively poor people, and taxes are bad for the economy because they discourage investment, entrepreneurship, working, productivity, etc.
Anonymous No.17926265 >>17926533 >>17927138
Because the North and South were connected through several railroad systems, a break up would severely weaken the economy. The US was not yet a global superpower, so separation also made it more vulnerable.
Anonymous No.17926533
>>17926265
What a "coincidence" that before becoming president, Lincoln was actually an attorney for big railroad.
Anonymous No.17926570
>>17925961
LoL. The south held outsized power in the US government. Also one lost and one won.
Anonymous No.17927130
>>17920957 (OP)
>Why did the president of the United States want to keep the States United
Anonymous No.17927138 >>17927171
>>17926265
Even so, requiring an entire region that wants nothing to do with your agenda to prop up your economy and supply troops for your wars is a direct relapse towards the crown. There was no provocation by the South for a military invasion.
Anonymous No.17927171 >>17927174
>>17927138
whats the point of having leader elections if multiple states are just gonna leave if their guy doesnt win
Anonymous No.17927174 >>17927181
>>17927171
Sounds like a leadership issue. Does an entire region need to be invaded in order to justify one man's desire to be in charge of everybody?
Anonymous No.17927181 >>17927202 >>17927207
>>17927174
says the bayoubitch who seceded from our great nation over a desire to be in charge of a bunch of niggers
Anonymous No.17927202 >>17927206
>>17927181
That's not really why, but a yankee wouldn't be one to talk considering your great nation was doing the same thing until it became politically convenient to change your mind.
Anonymous No.17927206 >>17927214
>>17927202
what else did the south want other than cheap labor? the removal of democracy? they lost and chimped out so daddy sam had to redden their behinds
Anonymous No.17927207
>>17927181
Remember when the north armed mentally imbalanced religious terrorists to try and start slave rebellions and kill white slave owners and they loved it?
Anonymous No.17927209 >>17927244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nYin4yXkc
With a whack row-de-dow Babylon is fallen
Anonymous No.17927214 >>17927227
>>17927206
Most of America's major elected leaders including presidents up until the war were Southerners. Who tf are you calling daddy?
Anonymous No.17927227 >>17927230
>>17927214
and then when they lose they cry kick and scream and threaten to take their ball (states) home
imagine being a southerner and dying to a nigger lmao
Anonymous No.17927230
>>17927227
Well they did create the constitution, so obviously the ruling elite never gave a shit about the constitution in the first place. Which explains why the US is a debt slave empire full of dysgenics like you
Anonymous No.17927236
>>17920957 (OP)
The Union is a prison, and the purpose of a prison is to keep people inside.
Anonymous No.17927244 >>17927263
>>17927209
Mumble rap is arguably less cringe than this.
Anonymous No.17927263 >>17927280
>>17927244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdX1MDmQbEs
They'll find what by felling and mauling our railmaker statesman can do
Anonymous No.17927280 >>17927284 >>17927657
>>17927263
>We'll fight for:
>our banner
>our leader
>liberty (?)
What happened to the unity part?
Anonymous No.17927284 >>17927290
>>17927280
our banner describes our unity
Anonymous No.17927290 >>17927292 >>17927303
>>17927284
So does the Confederate flag.
Anonymous No.17927292 >>17927306
>>17927290
missing a few stars in that case champ
Anonymous No.17927303 >>17927306 >>17927309
>>17927290
It seems the Union flag had too many, considering they ceased recognizing Southern states entirely AFTER the war was over as part of the Reconstruction Act.
Anonymous No.17927306
>>17927303
meant for >>17927292
Anonymous No.17927309 >>17927312
>>17927303
just had to take your licks for a few years to rejoin little brother no reason to make a new flag we knew you were comin back
Anonymous No.17927312 >>17927657
>>17927309
>little brother
Are you the one who just posted the song where the yankee refers to the South as Goliath to the North's David? lmao
Anonymous No.17927657 >>17927805
>>17927280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpI2XHUDH9Y

>>17927312
I was the one to post the song. It's referring to how Lincoln won the presidential election of 1860 destroying the governmental power of the Democrats so completely that the South tried to rage quit the USA.
Our David's good sling is unerring, the Slavocrats giant he slew.
Then shout for the freedom preferring, for Lincoln and Liberty too.
Anonymous No.17927679
>>17920957 (OP)
Anonymous No.17927805
>>17927657
>Army of the free
>free
Obviously this doesn't apply to states themselves, nor does it apply to the judges and publishers Lincoln arrested for getting in his way. Kudos on the niggers though.