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Anonymous No.17924665 >>17924725 >>17924748 >>17925211 >>17925805 >>17926663 >>17929040 >>17929738
Caucasian History
I think I've come across the worst history.
Now with the advent of Google translation.
Turns out all of the people in the Northern Caucasus had no written language and lived in tribal units.

But they are proud of their myths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inal_the_Great
For example there was supposedly an "Inal the Great" that united the Circassians. Problem? No written sources from the time confirm such a figure ever existing.

Then the Ossetians have Os-Bagatar. This is not a name, rather, just someone nicknamed "Brave Ossetian" only mentioned in the Georgian medieval chronicles. The Georgian sources name 3 people Os-Bagatar in the 5th, 9th 13th.
The last one joined who was allied with the Mongols captured a fortress for 14 years, until later they were driven out, when the Mongol position weakened.
But to them this capture of this fortress was really significant. So they made a lot of fan fiction of this one incident.

1. They claim they're all direct descendants of this dude
2. That they're Scythians
3. That they are uber chads descend from all the Os-Bagatar in a direct male line
Only strangely. The reality is the Ossetians suffered greatly from the invasions of Tamarlane and the oppression of the Circassian war chiefs. Most Ossetians nowadays have G2a1 and J2a1 that originate from Georgia.

Basically all this Northern Caucasians hate each other and think they're the center of the universe.
But they're all united in their hate of Georgia. But at the same time, they don't even live in real countries.
I am assuming if Russia collapsed, they'd immediately declare war on eachother on minor territorial disputes.

Then there are the Georgians.
Georgians desperately want to be seen as White Europeans and they always wave their Euro flags for gibs. They pretend their old crumbling churches and history is profound

Then there are the Armenians. They act like you should care about the Armenia of 2000 years ago.
Anonymous No.17924705
This kind of nationalist myth-making is why I stay away from mutt-infested regions like the Caucasus.
Anonymous No.17924725 >>17926461
>>17924665 (OP)
>Georgians desperately want to be seen as White Europeans
whiter than you Mehmet
Anonymous No.17924748 >>17925168 >>17926991
>>17924665 (OP)
>Georgians desperately want to be seen as White Europeans
That can be said of pretty much any MENA christian minority. Hell for example the Lebanese are much more hardcore in their european LARPing to the point they choose frenchoid names for themselves and pretend they all descend from crusaders fucking locale women
Anonymous No.17925168
>>17924748
Lebbos are such self hating cucks
Even if they where pheonicians, they would stiil be closer to fellow semites like arabs
Anonymous No.17925211 >>17926458
>>17924665 (OP)
wait a second are you the autistic canadian diasporoid from reddit posting on askcaucasus?
Anonymous No.17925805 >>17926568 >>17929394 >>17931192
>>17924665 (OP)
They have less history than the wartorn horn of Africa but the people up there get flippant and bitchy when you don't entertain their idea that the cradle of civilization was centered in the areas that the Maykop culture inhabited. Then there's the fact that people up there are known for the wrong things (skibidi toilet, Stalin, the grindr app)
>Ossetians
>Armenians
Neither of them are Caucasian and they're not considered Caucasian by anyone but Russians. Russians themselves are more ignorant about geography and culture in the world than Americans.
Ossetians are genetically of Iranic stock whereas Armenians are Semitic. One overlaps with russians and iranians whereas the other overlaps with Assyrians and Jews.
Anonymous No.17926458
>>17925211
>Plebbit user
Anonymous No.17926461 >>17926467
>>17924725
OP is a seething Russo-Tatarian mutt
Anonymous No.17926467
>>17926461
kek, indeed anon
Anonymous No.17926568 >>17927680
>>17925805

>Armenians
>Semitic

Aren't they of primarily CHG and Anatolian extraction?
Anonymous No.17926663
>>17924665 (OP)
Don't care nigger
Anonymous No.17926991 >>17927623 >>17927629
>>17924748
MENA's Christians predate European Christianity by 300-800 years. So if anything, they should celebrate their own historical culture rather than emulate Europe
Anonymous No.17927623 >>17928504 >>17930229
>>17926991
georgians are european. Their nation's borders are not in MENA and they converted to Christianity around the time that the Greeks did. caucasians have nothing to be proud of because most of them mindwiped their own history from their own chronicles after converting to Greek Orthodox and Islam just like Europeans did. It's unfair to bundle them with MENA since they have little to no Semitic DNA.
Anonymous No.17927629
>>17926991
>celebrate their own historical culture
Being dhimmi chattle to their moslem overlords?
Anonymous No.17927680
>>17926568
Nope.
The only nations they overlap with are Assyrians and some isolated communities of Arabs and Jews.
Anonymous No.17928504 >>17928544 >>17928601
>>17927623
They share more history and heritage with Turkey than with France
Anonymous No.17928544 >>17929023
>>17928504
Georgians spent a bigger portion of their history with Russians. They never held positions of influence in the Ottoman Empire.
Also
>Turkiye
They are a European country as well. Their entire contemporary state was made to mimic white Western european society.
Anonymous No.17928601
>>17928504
You share more beds with faggots than Peter Thiel
Anonymous No.17929023 >>17930249
>>17928544
Kartvelians spend a longer part of their history with the turks than with the russians, turks have been in anatolia for almost a thousand years, russia didn't reach the caucasus until the 18th century
>They never held positions of influence in the Ottoman Empire.
This is blatantly false, here are some examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seydi_Ali_Pasha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bey_al-Kabir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hain_Ahmed_Pasha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ağa_Yusuf_Pasha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Vasıf_Pasha_Gürcü
Some sultans were also at least half georgians through their mothers
and turkey is not, has never been and will never be european
Anonymous No.17929040
>>17924665 (OP)
>For example there was supposedly an "Inal the Great" that united the Circassians. Problem? No written sources from the time confirm such a figure ever existing.
There is a weird issue on any Circassian related wikipedia page that the so called sources are actually just made up or folk tales. Take our figure from the Circassian genocide. Grigory Zass, the page used to mention that he had a daughter who was kidnapped and raised as a Circassian as a child, obviously we have an issue that he never had a daughter and this just stayed their for years. Of course the wiki page for him is still largely based off of folk tales and other made up bullshit from Circassian nationalist websites
Anonymous No.17929394 >>17930196 >>17930249
>>17925805
>Iranic
no such word exists. That's Iranian.

Turkish/Turkic classification makes sense, because the ethnic Turkish and the ethnic Turkic are the different stuffs.
The ethnic Iranians and the ethnic ""Iranics"" are the same thing on the other hand.
>B... but, Iranians in Islamic republic of Iran are only a part of the Iranics
They have never made up an ethnicity "Iranian" to distinguish Iranians inside and outside of historical Persia.
Sogdians, Khwarazmians, and Scythians are all Iranians.
Anonymous No.17929738
>>17924665 (OP)
>They act like you should care about the Armenia of 2000 years ago.
I find the medieval Armenian Cilicia more interesting desu
Anonymous No.17930196
>>17929394
Just shut the fuck up.
Anonymous No.17930229 >>17930249
>>17927623
>georgians are european
Absolutely not. Geographically, genetically, culturally and phenotypically they're not european.
Anonymous No.17930249 >>17930378
>>17929023
Kartvelians are one part of georgians. The majority of their population seethes about Turkiye and openly disrespects them. Funny enough. The georgians were the attack dogs for russians in Caucasus. They're responsible for circassians getting chased out of their supposed homeland.
Turkiye in its current iteration is European. Their leader ataturk is hailed as an important figure across the EU and his vision of turkiye is what brought his country close to the EU. They'd be member state if they didn't invade cyprus.
>>17929394
That's something that Ossetians are gonna have to talk about. I called them iranic because they haven't been a part of Iranian empires.
>>17930229
They geographically are right next to the volga river and yamnaya inhabited their region.
They're genetically CHG and EEF and their women created yamnaya.
They culturally copy everything about their culture from Russians.
Their phenotypes are typical of europeans
They're europeans in every way. In the race war, they're getting moderately beheaded alongside Russians. Know your friends.
Anonymous No.17930378 >>17930470
>>17930249
georgians and kartvelians are the same thing
>Their leader ataturk is hailed as an important figure across the EU
this is not true at all
>The georgians were the attack dogs for russians in Caucasus
and neither is this, those were the armenians
just stop posting and consider the rope instead
Anonymous No.17930470 >>17930506
>>17930378
Kartvelians became Georgians after their ethnogenisis. Before that they warred with the Iberians and the Colchians to rule the region.
>this is not true at all
If you were to stop watching Sputnik Georgia and NovoGruzia you'd see it is very true. European Union hails Ataturk as a key figure that brought democratic reform in the country. Russians aren't comfortable with being deemed an Asiatic invasive entity, so they still try to hog who is European and who isn't. But you need to see past that.
>and neither is this, those were the armenians
Armenians didn't exist in Caucasus in large numbers to support that. They were all still residing in the Near East at the time. There were Georgian nobles present in the Tsarist military during the invasion.
Anonymous No.17930506 >>17931165
>>17930470
Europeans dont care about Ataturk and those who do rightfully see him as a mass murderer and a dictator.
Stupid cockroach.
Anonymous No.17931165
>>17930506
they kinda do actually. no one really calls him out for being a dictator or anything, that's just something that kurds do.
like greeks, i think they have a positive view of ataturk.
imo they are european
Anonymous No.17931192 >>17931383
>>17925805
>Ossetians are genetically of Iranic stock
Completely false, they're genetically 100% Caucasian. They are only linguistically Iranian.
Anonymous No.17931383 >>17931449
>>17931192
>source: my ass
Anonymous No.17931449 >>17931533
>>17931383
Actually kill yourself, retard.
Anonymous No.17931533 >>17931587
>>17931449
I have sex, and sex havers don't know what your meme numbers mean.
Anonymous No.17931587
>>17931533
>I [HEADCANON]
I accept your cope.