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Anonymous No.17930190 >>17930199 >>17930234 >>17930240 >>17930248 >>17930287 >>17930316 >>17930441 >>17930468 >>17931024 >>17931435 >>17931583 >>17931600 >>17931702 >>17932907 >>17932916
why do black gangs kill each other?
Not even on some racist shit..Like i truly wantt to understand this phenomenon. like what is with the rivalries and beef....it doesn't even seem like it's for money. It's not purely an economic reason. They don' seem to operate like the Italians did back in the day

their seems to be no incentive. and why is it mostly 13-14 year old kids instead of 20 year olds
Anonymous No.17930199 >>17930210 >>17930240 >>17930266 >>17930271 >>17930278 >>17931043 >>17931048 >>17931435 >>17933114 >>17933880
>>17930190 (OP)
It's very explicitly about the money, dipshit. They're killing each other over corners they sell drugs on. The violent is entirely motivated by commerce.
Anonymous No.17930210 >>17930227 >>17930792 >>17930826
>>17930199
these guys are not pulling off complex level bank robberies

their killing each other because they live in a different neighborhood or because they have a different color hat, lets be real here
Anonymous No.17930227
>>17930210
Don't argue with "OG" above
He'll soon bark about how crime is motivated by lack of opportunity and poverty.
Anonymous No.17930234 >>17930253
>>17930190 (OP)
>They don' seem to operate like the Italians did back in the day
You're retarded and know nothing about how "Italians operated back in the day".
Anonymous No.17930240
>>17930199
Of course, fighting over any park that isn't even a drug spot to be a means of profit is somehow what would motivate them, right? They're retarded. If you have someone date a woman from another enemy neighborhood, they'll kick the guy's ass.
>>17930190 (OP)
I don't think this is /humanities/, but it is chronic stupidity and glorification of crime
Anonymous No.17930248
>>17930190 (OP)
The same reason Mafia members killed eachother
The same reason Peaky Blinders killed their rival gangs
The same reason white gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood kill eachother

They're gangs, their moral framework is based on power, money, respect, and fear.
Anonymous No.17930253 >>17930258 >>17930262 >>17930274 >>17930361
>>17930234
they actually had structure and hierarchy

they didn't do random drive bys
Anonymous No.17930258
>>17930253
>they didn't do random drive bys
Most black drivebys aren't random, their targets are usually people like rappers that got into some beef with their gang
Anonymous No.17930262
>>17930253
>they didn't do random drive bys
I was hoping your response would've been something drawn from an actual incident, but no. You just doubled down on your retardation.
Anonymous No.17930266 >>17933886
>>17930199
Fpbp. People join gangs to undercut the "square" route in life and make money fast. This is why organized crime flourishes during economic downturn or government incompetence during a crisis.
Anonymous No.17930271
>>17930199
This, any ape can fight over territory. It doesn't require a bunch of organization or politics.

Just violence and chest beating.
Even the lower animals can do it, much less human beings.
Anonymous No.17930274
>>17930253
>they didn't do random drive bys
They did and they do
Anonymous No.17930278
>>17930199
FPBP. Racial solidarity is a myth
Anonymous No.17930287 >>17930346
>>17930190 (OP)
>It's not purely an economic reason
Wrong. Every race has a black market. There's something they want that somebody can provide to them illegally.

Every military force in the world that gets strapped for cash immediately starts selling drugs to make ends meet. The CIA does it. Syria did it. Communists do it.

Blacks in the US are sort of a failed paramilitary force. There were genuine efforts by outsiders like the Japanese to turn blacks into genuine paramilitary forces during the interwar period and beyond. The Black Panthers were essentially a paramilitary force on standby. Separatists, communists, whatever. The leaders were black market dealers because that's what kept their group funded outside of public donations.

Most black gangs are a mixture of innate black markets, contact with illegal hispanics which started flooding into the US during their revolution which already had established underground drug trades, contact with communist ideologies and inflated egos from serving in the military, mass migrations facilitated by communists to urban centers to take jobs away from other people, youth violence escalating into "posse" formation and of course the ability to fund a bunch of black people to not do anything by selling drugs.
Anonymous No.17930316
>>17930190 (OP)
Why do Italians gangs kill each other?
Anonymous No.17930346
>>17930287
thanks ChatGPT
Anonymous No.17930361
>>17930253
Least sheltered /pol/tranny
Anonymous No.17930441 >>17930451
>>17930190 (OP)
being all tribal and killing ur kin for being on the wrong side was adaptive in subsaharan african, i guess
Anonymous No.17930451
>>17930441
African americans are more related to southern whites than to africans culturaly, just that both of these groups (african americans and white americans) will never accept this.
Anonymous No.17930453
>being all tribal and killing ur kin for being on the wrong side was adaptive in subsaharan african, i guess
Anonymous No.17930456
I don't see what's hard to understand. They need to appear strong or else other gangs will encroach on their territory. This is like asking why a nation state gets so mad when a neighboring state sends its soldiers over its borders just to occupy some fields that aren't worth anything. How does that look? A nation too weak to prevent neighboring countries from occupying its territory, even worthless territory, will soon have its borders disrespected at will by many other neighbors.

Gangs don't have a UN, or a regional superpower, to mediate turf disputes. All they have are cops who arrest people who get too rowdy, but who also try to remain uninvolved as possibly in gangland disputes that only see gangbangers killed.
Anonymous No.17930468 >>17931591
>>17930190 (OP)
>It's not purely an economic reason. They don' seem to operate like the Italians did back in the day
Cosa Nostra was worse than street niggers.
Anonymous No.17930479 >>17930505 >>17930605 >>17931050 >>17931431 >>17933834
Im a mexican and i would desire we had black gangsters, atleast they are funny and have style.
Meanwhile we have cartels, which have done genocides in all over our territory.
Anonymous No.17930505 >>17931065 >>17931088
>>17930479
>and i would desire we had black gangsters, atleast they are funny and have style.
You really don't want them. I know cartels are bad, but this is like saying you'd rather have cockroaches than bedbugs. Neither is best.
Anonymous No.17930542 >>17930549 >>17930570
who is stupid enough to think these people just do random shootings and drive-bys LMFAO
Anonymous No.17930549
>>17930542
pajeets who have never seen an American nigger in their life but make threads about them every day on 4chan
Anonymous No.17930570 >>17930573 >>17930587 >>17930632
>>17930542
American media (especially stuff like TV news and tabloids) don't often do deep dives on the roots and motivations behind gang violence, but they talk a load about the danger. They give the impression that it's random even though it's not, and when a bystander does get killed it's a huge story.
so it makes sense some people are curious
Anonymous No.17930573
>>17930570
You're just describing Scelerophobia and Mean World Syndrome
Anonymous No.17930587 >>17930632
>>17930570
looking into gang violence past news headlines (or thinking about it) quickly tells you that the average person isn't hurting random people, even if they grew up in a shithole.
Anonymous No.17930605
>>17930479
niggers legitimately chimp out randomly at people, even if they're not in gangs
Anonymous No.17930632
>>17930570
>>17930587
It kinda reminds me of the stranger danger hysteria. Gangbangers generally only target other gangbangers and the vast majority of kidnappings or child abuse cases are committed by family members or family friends, but those rare times where an innocent is caught in the crossfire of a gang-related shooting or a pedo abducts a child off the sidewalk are what stick out to people
Anonymous No.17930785 >>17931431
In America?

It’s downhill from social and economic instability. Most people in the hood just wanna eke out a living. But unfortunately must contend with local bullies and criminals. This puts most of us on a militant footing with strangers by default at the best of times. Neutrality or gentleness is interpreted as weakness by antisocial people, so everyone is forced to live in the “anyone who even implies they can hurt or disrespect me must die or be severely beaten” framework of prison.

I joined a gang as a kid because I was sick of getting pressed along with my little cousin every time we went to the CVS. When you’re in a set you basically live to showcase your aggression and reckless courage. That reputation is your main line of defense against being preyed on. And by showing off how aggressive and strong you are, you make the rest of your gang or family or street or block look strong too. People in your hood are less likely to play with you, and outsiders really won’t wanna play with you.

Unfortunately, you’re also honor bound to show out at friction points like parties, sporting events, car/bike meets, and other prominent public spaces. You wear your best clothing and jewelry (to imply that you’re so big and bad and ruthless that you aren’t afraid of being robbed or harassed or assaulted) and post up with your hbs waiting for someone to try you or trying someone else to show off for witnesses.

In the hood, the worst feeling imaginable is being violated. And feelings of violation are 1000x worse if other people see it. Vulnerability is blood in the water. Once someone disrespects you, you must check them immediately or be known as a weakling. Even your own people might press you if you allow someone to walk away after hurting you physically or emotionally. Or people will associate YOUR weakness with your friends and family, and press them too.

So oftentimes the only way to salvage your reputation is to hurt them 10x worse,.
Anonymous No.17930792
>>17930210
>these guys are not pulling off complex level bank robberies
No but theyre still dealing, mugging and robbing atms, bank robbery is mostly a thing of the past (80s-90s) because security has updated a lot, bank security used to be borderline pathetic until banks had enough in the early 00s
Anonymous No.17930821 >>17930832
Any good literature on inner-city gangs?
Anonymous No.17930826 >>17931431 >>17931807
>>17930210
Common misconception.

Color Banging mostly died in the 90s. The only place it exists anymore is California. It was too easy for cops to identify you and it caused too much collateral damage.

Block banging is still pretty common but desu but most gangs really don’t rep “territory” anymore. It’s more relational. You bang for your street or apartment complex or friend group. Not many motherfuckers outside Cali are gonna crash on somebody JUST for belonging to a different gang, hell it’s honestly more common for chapters of the same gang to shoot each other than outsiders.

In Illinois for example Folk vs People was a legitimate thing up until the late 20th century. Now? Nobody GAF. Folk and People are prison exclusive in the 21st century. You fall on them because odds are you aren’t gonna meet anybody from your street in prison, so for safety you just integrate with Folk or People.

Most beefs start over women and to a lesser extent drugs or money. But it’s overwhelmingly personal. You disrespect someone or they disrespect you. Now someone’s gotta die or the other looks like a bitch. If your hb get slimed then you gotta slime the one who did it or you look like a bitch. And it goes back and forth until everyone who cares is dead or in prison.

Think of it like the endemic champion warfare of antiquity or the early Middle Ages. Warriors calling each other out personally in reaction to disrespect or offense.
Anonymous No.17930832
>>17930821
“Gang Leader for a Day” and “Code of the Street: Decency, Violence, and the Moral Life of the Inner City” are solid reads. As is “The Corner: A Year in the Life of an Inner-City Neighborhood”.
Anonymous No.17931024 >>17931670
>>17930190 (OP)
this is not history tho
Anonymous No.17931043 >>17931711
>>17930199
>It's very explicitly about the money, dipshit
Is that how they pay their bills, or...
Anonymous No.17931048
>>17930199
Niggers kill each other over slights on social media more often than over corners.
Anonymous No.17931050 >>17931088
>>17930479
>we want black gangsters
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Anonymous No.17931065
>>17930505
I think they know neither is good, they’re just picking the best of a bad bunch for them
Anonymous No.17931088 >>17931175
>>17930505
>>17931050
As someone who grew up in the ghetto in the US and lived in Mexico a few years, it's absolutely not comparable. Niggers in the US have many variables working against them if they think they can get away with a crime at any given moment. The law is ultimately against them no matter how much psyoped retards here pretend they're immune to lengthy prison sentences.

Down in Mexico you can't do much for fear that the cartels have their finger in every pie. American gangbangers often try to target eachother directly. If they kill a normie, it's usually in the process of a robbery which is only a fraction of their criminal activities. Not so in Mexico. Down there they deliberately target civilians and densely packed areas as an intimation tactic against local governments. I've never heard of a nigger gang wiping out an entire town or buying off the police force.
Anonymous No.17931175
>>17931088
Depends on where you're at. Since there's so many hispanics in LA it's basically a microcosm of a hispanic country wit institutional corruption. There's definitely been instances of cops on the force that were in black gangs and it's even more common with hispanics
Anonymous No.17931179
I believe some of them are suicidal and join gangs because they see no path to live life
Anonymous No.17931431 >>17931681
>>17930479
>I know cartels are bad, but this is like saying you'd rather have cockroaches than bedbugs. Neither is best.
Cartels are waaay more powerful and way better organized. They can be like the Hell's Angels crossed with a paramilitary force that can engage in organized firefights with the military. They do stuff like dump a pile of corpses in a downtown area and then call the news so they show up to report it and there's banner with a message on it. This is what we're talking about:
https://youtu.be/1JrSTVi64q0
https://youtu.be/7ej5S42-nqo

>>17930785
>In the hood, the worst feeling imaginable is being violated. And feelings of violation are 1000x worse if other people see it. Vulnerability is blood in the water. Once someone disrespects you, you must check them immediately or be known as a weakling.
>>17930826
>You disrespect someone or they disrespect you. Now someone’s gotta die or the other looks like a bitch ... Think of it like the endemic champion warfare of antiquity or the early Middle Ages.
This is basically how the Middle East operates too BTW. It's sometimes called an "honor culture." All that fighting between Bedouins and Druze in Syria last month operated on the same logic. One guy in one of the tribes got fucked up by people in the other tribe and it escalated into a war.
Anonymous No.17931435
>>17930190 (OP)
Faustian spirit and nietzschean thought
Also this >>17930199
Anonymous No.17931583
>>17930190 (OP)
tribal warfare
Anonymous No.17931591 >>17931684
>>17930468
Remember, every time the wops call themselves "soldiers" or "men of honor", they saw nothing wrong with kidnapping a little boy, torturing and mutilating him and then starving him to death, for money.
Anonymous No.17931600
>>17930190 (OP)
why does the man in blue shoot the man in red? because otherwise the man in red would shoot him first
but neither man ever knows why they are shooting in the first place

at this point whatever started the gang conflicts is no longer relevant, the conflict is inherent to the gangs existence. it's like the endless tribal or feudal wars of history
Anonymous No.17931670
>>17931024
Gang history is absolutely history, dude.

The origins of the Yakuza can be traced directly back to the historical Burakumin and Korean minorities in Japan who were treated like shit for centuries

The American Mafia are the product of centuries of foreign oppression in Sicily and the reaction by the locals

Many African-American and Latino-American gangs originate from the consequences of the Great Migration and Jim Crow

And before them the Irish and Jewish gangs up north

Or the KKK who emerged from a combination of crushing poverty and perceived humiliation among the former slaving aristocracy in the wake of the Civil War

Even the Ancient Greeks had street gangs on their cities, some of whom styled themselves after alien tribes like the Thracians

Ancient Rome was a hotbed of organized crime ranging from common thugs and brawlers to patricians that engaged in what we now would recognize as racketeering, bribery, smuggling, and fraud
Anonymous No.17931681
>>17931431
I’ve actually had this conversation with Arabs and some Pakistanis in the Hood before. On a broad level they understand the logic of African-American and Latino-American gang warfare.

One key difference being that Islam actively tried to put a muzzle on it or at least direct it externally instead of internally. And another point that the lack of disruption in family or clan ties aaiming Arabs and related groups meant that the picture of “family, do not kill unless they SEVERELY embarrass you all” is much bigger than in the Hood where “family” is limited to an often unreliable mother, siblings, individual cousins, and reliable aunts/uncles at best. The people down the street might as well be aliens from Pluto as far as you’re concerned.
Anonymous No.17931684
>>17931591
Funny enough, it was that exact example that made the Italian government finally come down on the mafia like a sledgehammer back in the 80s or 90s I think. They’ve still only just recovered from the massive active condemnation by Italian society.
Anonymous No.17931702 >>17931713
>>17930190 (OP)
i wonder why myself. all this stuff about a struggle and the struggle is that other blacks are their biggest enemy.
Anonymous No.17931711 >>17931722
>>17931043

>muh "poverty creates crime"

where's all the rape and murder in west virginia or moldova?
Anonymous No.17931713
>>17931702
Yes and no.

Mainstream economists broadly see African America’s economic weakness as the outcome of path-dependent historical exclusion, structural labor and wealth inequalities, and persistent segregation effects. The macroeconomic view is that these disparities function like structural underutilization of capacity in the U.S. economy, not simply a subgroup problem, but a national inefficiency.

The racial wealth gap is both a legacy issue and a self-perpetuating dynamic. Black households have far fewer assets to cushion downturns, invest in education, or start businesses. This fragility is amplified in recessions, where African Americans lose proportionally more wealth and recover more slowly. Persistent wage penalties and occupational segregation mean African Americans contribute labor but capture less income. This produces a dual effect: weaker aggregate demand in predominantly Black communities and underutilization of talent at the national level (i.e., human capital inefficiency).

Concentrated poverty limits mobility, reduces access to credit, and reinforces cycles of underinvestment in infrastructure and housing. This produces regional productivity gaps that ripple out nationally. Emphasis on the word concentrated. A consensus has emerged that African American entrepreneurs face greater hurdles in accessing credit and investment. This bottleneck limits the capacity of Black-owned firms to scale, suppressing the potential multiplier effects of entrepreneurship in African American communities.

I know it’s not as sexy as a populist finger wagging left or right, but it’s the reality. Such issues are best tackled on the microeconomic level and the macroeconomic level, like in the case of Baltimore which has seen a remarkable decline in gang violence and youth violence overall in the last 20 years. Mostly in the form of early prevention programs and efforts.
Anonymous No.17931722
>>17931711
This framing confuses correlation with causation. Economic weakness does not mechanically translate into violent crime in a vacuum. West Virginia is poor but has stronger kinship networks and relatively low homicide; Moldova is Europe’s poorest country but its homicide rate is below the U.S. average. Violence emerges when CONCENTRATED poverty interacts with weak institutions, low social trust, or lucrative black markets. If poverty alone dictated crime, rural Appalachia and Eastern Europe would look like cartel states, which they clearly don’t.

By the same token, it’s not a coincidence that rural Ghana is significantly less violent than urban Ghana or NYC for many of the same reasons.
Anonymous No.17931807
>>17930826
>Think of it like the endemic champion warfare of antiquity or the early Middle Ages. Warriors calling each other out personally in reaction to disrespect or offense.
So in your learned opinion, nigheryvis in fact, based?
Anonymous No.17932907 >>17932924
>>17930190 (OP)
Its ultimately over superiority. The individualism of western society makes everyone try to, atleast in the 90s, be uptight and essentially idealizes being an asshole to someone, with the belief that by doing so, they are the superior "it" rather than the "fool" that believes in anything but his own superiority. Money is just a byproduct of it. More money=more superior.
Anonymous No.17932916
>>17930190 (OP)
Same reason Zulu and Xhosa go to war.
Anonymous No.17932924
>>17932907
Racial or money examples are not really the reason why people fuck each other in the streets. Because A: Black people are quite capable of living in peace and work with each other (as seen in the many revolts, communities, and so ever since the industrial revolution until the late 20th century)
And B: People who worked with each other, were often very much dirty poor and had way less commodities than the average black person has today. Its not a matter of necessity, its another matter entirely because honestly they could very much live without needing to get themselves in gangs.
Anonymous No.17933039
disrespec
Anonymous No.17933114
>>17930199
>They're killing each other over corners they sell drugs on. The violent is entirely motivated by commerce.
It's not the 90s anymore Grandpa.
YN "crash out" over nothing. The whole Chicago drill music scene is nothing but a self perpetuating blood feud fueled by songs that revolve entirely around shitting on people that were just murdered, sparking revenge killings when the wrong song gets played in the wrong neighborhood.

Blacks kill each other because they'd rather shoot each other than get into one on one fair fights. It's not complicated. There's nothing deep or misunderstood about it. It's just dumb blood feud shit fueled by a culture that should have never gotten access to guns getting access to guns. I don't know why this is surprising to anyone, the whole reason black youth gangs became dominant in America, displacing the old corny neighborhood Jets and Sharks youth gangs in the first place, is because black gangs like the crips dramatically escalated the level of violence in American gang culture because they were willing to shoot people at the drop of a hat.
Anonymous No.17933834
>>17930479
Why do you guys side with niggers? They don't even like you. Black people say more vile shit about Mexicans than I ever hear white people say, 2bh
Anonymous No.17933880
>>17930199
This was barely true 30 years ago. Most of them are killing each other over Soundcloud beefs now. The drug dealers were all massacred by the cartels in the late 2010s.
Anonymous No.17933886
>>17930266
Gangsters don’t usually make money. The Vancouver model of middle class kids getting into the lifestyle is exceptional. Usually you end up selling dope for less than minimum wage, but you’re an impulsive moron so it’s the only thing resembling a job that you can hold down. It’s completely down to power and reputation. Guys like this are young and either get off on frightening others or feel like joining a gang will get them the respect they can’t find through traditional channels. The former group is the personality we usually associate with being a gangster, but the latter group is probably far more common.