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Anonymous No.17933590 >>17933594 >>17933630 >>17933649 >>17933719 >>17933850 >>17933858 >>17933924 >>17934508 >>17934519 >>17934687 >>17934989 >>17934991 >>17934992 >>17936578 >>17937633 >>17938421 >>17938446
do you think muhammad was a real prophet chosen by god? why or why not?
Anonymous No.17933594 >>17933600 >>17938450 >>17938846
>>17933590 (OP)
Muhammad's "prophethood" is highly questionable. His actions like marrying a child, waging wars, and claiming divine revelations that conveniently served his political and personal desires reek of human ambition, not divine guidance. If God chose him, why the unethical behavior? Sounds more like a power-hungry warlord than a true prophet.
Anonymous No.17933600 >>17933606 >>17933652 >>17933663 >>17933699 >>17933712 >>17933719 >>17934018
>>17933594
>His actions like marrying a child
isaac did that
>waging wars
moses did that
>that conveniently served his political and personal desires
solomon had 500 wives and was a king
>power-hungry warlord than a true prophet
name 1 prophet who wasnt both those things at the same time, excluding jesus
Anonymous No.17933606 >>17933646
>>17933600
Buddha.
Anonymous No.17933630
>>17933590 (OP)
mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty
>also
go fuck the goats achmed
Anonymous No.17933646
>>17933606
buddha was a polytheist
Anonymous No.17933649 >>17933713
>>17933590 (OP)
No.

Because his message contradicts the Bible, and St. Paul told us exactly what to do with men claiming to have received a different gospel from an angel:

>But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9
Anonymous No.17933652 >>17933655
>>17933600
>name 1 prophet who wasnt both those things at the same time
There are plenty of prophets in the Old Testament that weren't warlords. Samuel, for example.
Anonymous No.17933655 >>17933659 >>17933661
>>17933652
nigga samuel is literally the guy who told the israelites to kill and rape all of amalek, fucking retard.
Anonymous No.17933659 >>17933666 >>17933670
>>17933655
>nigga samuel is literally the guy who told the israelites to kill and rape all of amalek
No? God did, Samuel was just the one who told Saul that he had lost the favor of God for refusing to kill the ox and sheep as well.
Anonymous No.17933661 >>17933686
>>17933655
But if you want other non-warlord prophets, Habakkuk, Isaiah, Daniel.
Anonymous No.17933663
>>17933600
Jesus?
Anonymous No.17933666 >>17933672
>>17933659
yea yea sure bud, retard club is down the hall and to the left
Anonymous No.17933670
>>17933659
yea yea sure bud, retard club is down the hall and to the left
Anonymous No.17933672 >>17933678
>>17933666
>The Lord anointed you king over Israel. And HE sent you on a mission.
>HE
Fucking retard.
Anonymous No.17933678 >>17933680
>>17933672
>Samuel put Agag to death
Anonymous No.17933680 >>17933682
>>17933678
Putting someone to death counts as being a warlord? Well shit.
Anonymous No.17933682 >>17933689
>>17933680
youre being a smarmy disingenuous sophist, while simultaneously claiming to worship the logos - the living incarnation of common sense
Anonymous No.17933686 >>17933690 >>17933693
>>17933661
thats 3 out of 88, and those 3 still believed in doctrines justifying holy wars and targeted killing.
Anonymous No.17933689 >>17933692
>>17933682
>youre being a smarmy disingenuous sophist
Its a very clear statement, retard, putting someone to death DOES NOT turn you into a fucking warlord, a warlord wages, you know, WAR, with multiple, deaths.
Anonymous No.17933690 >>17933694
>>17933686
Anonymous No.17933692 >>17933693
>>17933689
and he keeps going with his sophistry... insane how anyone follows these people
Anonymous No.17933693 >>17933698
>>17933686
>thats 3 out of 88
Where are you getting that number from? There are many unrecorded prophets. And how do you know that the majority of those 88 were warlords?
>nd those 3 still believed in doctrines justifying holy wars and targeted killing.
Which doesn't make them warlords.
>>17933692
If I kill someone, am I a warlord in your eyes?
Anonymous No.17933694 >>17933699
>>17933690
how are you genuinely this ok with lying to yourself as a human being?
Anonymous No.17933698 >>17933704
>>17933693
nigga the old testament is not hippie easter bunny shit they kill and rape people, this is so chewed out, im genuinely shocked how retarded you are. you think if every pope ever had to believe in supersessionism to ignore it, YOU somehow have found a loophole to justify it?
Anonymous No.17933699 >>17933706
>>17933694

>>17933600
name 1 prophet who wasnt both those things at the same time, excluding jesus
>gives 3, arguably 4.
>NO NO NO NO NO THAT'S JUST 3
Anonymous No.17933704 >>17933708
>>17933698
I have exactly zero idea what you're talking about.
>nigga the old testament is not hippie easter bunny shit
I never said that it was...
> they kill and rape people
Yeah? I know?
>you think if every pope ever had to believe in supersessionism to ignore it
No one's ignoring everything, and superessionism is very much part of Christian doctrine. Read Paul's epistles.
>YOU somehow have found a loophole to justify it?
What loophole? And what am I trying to justify? The destruction of the Amalekites was fully righteous and giga based. Saul didn't need any other justification besides God commanding him to do so.
Anonymous No.17933706 >>17933710
>>17933699
if you invite 80 green niggas into your home and they rape your ass, while 4 of them dont, will you invite 80 other green niggas?

you seem to be incapable of comprehending how the substance of a matter (logos) can take different forms, while not being contingent on the form itself.

shocking for a christian.
Anonymous No.17933708 >>17933713
>>17933704
>I never said that it was...
>Yeah? I know?
ok then you have no grounds to critique muhammad, end of discussion.

>The destruction of the Amalekites was fully righteous and giga based.
>t. christcuck
ok, how about this?
>The destruction of the kuffar was fully righteous and giga based.
>t. muslim
Anonymous No.17933710 >>17933717
>>17933706
Mohammed was accused of being a power-hungry warlord, not a prophet. You demanded to be presented with even 1 prophet who wasn't a warlord, you were given 3. Now you're sperging out.
Anonymous No.17933712 >>17933727 >>17936244
>>17933600
>wars
Bible wars are not for spreading the faith by force but punishment for idolatry. God announces the canaanites will be purged due to child sacrifice and the means of punishment will be the armies of israel.
Later the same thing happens to Israel, they fall to idolatry and are taken by foreigners.

>solomon wives
Its portrayed as a negative that brought about idolatry and the fall of israel


>Isaac married child
Fake news, the bible doesn't state her age. Also if she is going to the fountain able to carry water jars, offering to water a camel caravan, she's not a child.
Anonymous No.17933713 >>17933721 >>17933727
>>17933708
>ok then you have no grounds to critique muhammad
This is my critique of him:
>>17933649

I did not reject Mohammed's prophethood on the grounds that he was a warlord and therefore couldn't be a true prophet, I did it on the grounds that he brough up a different gospel contrary to that of the Bible. THAT'S what delegitimizes him.
>The destruction of the kuffar was fully righteous and giga based.
Even according to the Quran Muslims are not to attack people of the book, so even on those grounds that would be wrong.
Anonymous No.17933717 >>17933721
>>17933710
nigga the point is not contingent on the form of the question, but on the substance of topic.

again, if you pay a guy to clean your window, you dont get to not pay him because you detected a speck of dust with a magnifying glass.

you clown on muhammad for shit even more widespread in the old testament, while claiming to be its "true inheritors" and representatives, you demonstrably fail in doing so.
Anonymous No.17933719 >>17933737
>>17933590 (OP)
Because it seems like a demonic encounter, especially seeing how much he materially benefits.
Muhammad thought he was posessed when he started communicating with what he interprets as angels and God by proxy. This alone implies it wasn't God who reached out to him. God brings peace, not confusion. For example in Christianity there are cases where people saw an apparition of Jesus but it gradually turned out it was an unclean spirit just pretending. One of the key tells is that the experience doesn't bring peace, like in the case of Muhammad.

>>17933600
>>marrying a child
>isaac did that
This is a misconception popular among Muslims who project just enough assumptions into the text to pretend Rebecca was 3. She wasn't. Nothing in the Bible says this and the fact she was carrying water for camels makes this pretty much impossible.
>>that conveniently served his political and personal desires
>solomon had 500 wives and was a king
He had those wives despite being elect, not by virtue of being elect.
>>power-hungry warlord than a true prophet
>name 1 prophet who wasnt both those things at the same time, excluding jesus
Deborah. She didn't even want to go to battle and only went because Israelites insisted.
Anonymous No.17933721
>>17933717
>but on the substance of topic.
That Mohammed wasn't a true prophet, we've already proven that he's not.
>>17933713
>you clown on muhammad for shit even more widespread in the old testament
I explicitly stated that I don't.
>I did not reject Mohammed's prophethood on the grounds that he was a warlord and therefore couldn't be a true prophet, I did it on the grounds that he brough up a different gospel contrary to that of the Bible. THAT'S what delegitimizes him.
Anonymous No.17933727 >>17933728 >>17933731 >>17933757
>>17933713
>I did not reject Mohammed's prophethood on the grounds that he was a warlord and therefore couldn't be a true prophet
christians are so bumfuck retarded they invent new opinions every time they get assfucked.

>>17933712
>but punishment for idolatry
same justification in the quran
>Its portrayed as a negative that brought about idolatry and the fall of israel
same justification for wife limitation in the quran
>Also if she is going to the fountain able to carry water jars, offering to water a camel caravan, she's not a child.
"errrrm if aisha was able to bla bla bla she was actually 18"
sounds like retarded quranist but christian edition, if you add up all consistent ages (which dont change even though repeatedly mentioned) she got wedded at 3, consummation is not mentioned though, but jews have an oral law permitting marriage at 3 due to rebecca, like how muslims have an oral law permitting marriage at 9, so we clearly copied you guys here.
Anonymous No.17933728
>>17933727
>christians are so bumfuck retarded they invent new opinions every time they get assfucked.
You realize that this is an anonymous board and there are multiple people posting different opinions, right retard?
Anonymous No.17933731 >>17933739 >>17933741
>>17933727
>if you add up all consistent ages (which dont change even though repeatedly mentioned) she got wedded at 3
Great, show us please, prove to us that Rebecca was 3 using only the Bible.
Anonymous No.17933737 >>17933741 >>17933750 >>17933756 >>17933760 >>17933768
>>17933719
ok nigga we're lying now?
Anonymous No.17933739
>>17933731
You just proved his point retard kek
Anonymous No.17933741
>>17933731
here >>17933737
Anonymous No.17933750 >>17933751 >>17933752
>>17933737
>Sarah dies at 127 years.
Correct.
>Sarah was 90 at Isaac's birth.
Wrong, Isaac was born one year after God told Abraham that He would give Sarah a child. God simply PROMISED Abraham that he would have a child when she was 90.
>And the Lord said: I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife shall have a son.
Anonymous No.17933751 >>17933754
>>17933750
Forgot to cite the verse:
Genesis 18:10

Now on to step 2...
Anonymous No.17933752 >>17933753
>>17933750
Ok, she was 4, you got me there.
Anonymous No.17933753
>>17933752
Patience, I'm going over the verses...
Anonymous No.17933754
>>17933751
I just checked and it says "within a year" not "after a year," so you're lying again.
Anonymous No.17933756 >>17933759 >>17933841
>>17933737
>Immediately after
Not in the text.
>Rabbis read this as
They're free to do that.
Anonymous No.17933757 >>17933762
>>17933727
>but jews have an oral law permitting marriage at 3 due to rebecca,
Pedojews making stuff up to justify their pedophilia is not evidence. How can a 3 year old water camels?

>wife limitation in the quran
Jesus limited it to 1 and said the previous concession was due to man's hardened heart. So using OT marriages as example doenst make sense. And the original state before the fall was - Adam and Eve.

>but punishment for idolatry/same justification in the quran
In the bible nations past the point of no return like Sodom and Canaan get the punishment, not simple disbelievers. They actualy get mercy even if they are disbelievers if they repent from wicked ways, see Jonah and Nineveh.
Anonymous No.17933759 >>17933763 >>17933773
>>17933756
And Jesus told you to follow them
Matthew 23:2-3
New International Version
2 β€œThe teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Anonymous No.17933760 >>17933768 >>17933770
>>17933737
>Immediately after the Akedah )when Isaac is 37, Sarah dies) news comes that Milcah bore Bethuel- Father of Rebekah
>Rabbis read this as Rebekah being born at that moment
That is FUCKING retarded, the one being said to be born is BETHUEL, the fucking father of Rebeccah, NOT REBECCAH HERSELF, did Bethuel fuck a woman when he was a newborn baby or something?
Anonymous No.17933762
>>17933757
>How can a 3 year old water camels?
>t. christtard

>how can a 9 year old wage wars?
>t. quraniyoontard
Anonymous No.17933763 >>17933769
>>17933759
>be careful to do everything they tell you
They didn't tell me to do anything.
Anonymous No.17933768 >>17933774
>>17933760
>>17933737
Also, the news come BEFORE Sarah dies, not after. Then news are in Genesis 22:20-23

Sarah's death happens in Genesis 23:1
Anonymous No.17933769 >>17933772 >>17933776
>>17933763
Because you do not follow what the Bible tells you thats why. Anyway can you explain David getting a five year old pregnant?
Anonymous No.17933770 >>17933772 >>17933775
>>17933760
milkah lived during the time of abraham dumbass, its retrojectec
Anonymous No.17933772 >>17933773 >>17933777
>>17933769
>Because you do not follow what the Bible tells you thats why.
>Literally cites the Talmud, a collection of Jewish mega schizo babble.
>>17933770
>its retrojectec
LOL citation please.
Anonymous No.17933773
>>17933772
>>17933759
Anonymous No.17933774 >>17933777 >>17933778 >>17933782
>>17933768
Nigga. it says right here:

>ABRAHAM was told, β€œMILKAH is also a mother; she has borne sons to your BROTHER Nahor: 21 Uz the firstborn, Buz his brother, Kemuel (the father of Aram), 22 Kesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph and Bethuel.” 23 BETHUEL BECAME THE FATHER OF REBEKAH. Milkah bore these eight sons to Abraham’s brother Nahor. 24 His concubine, whose name was Reumah, also had sons: Tebah, Gaham, Tahash and Maakah.

chatgpt didnt include the age of abraham
Anonymous No.17933775 >>17933792 >>17933796
>>17933770
That would mean that Rebeccah was born even earlier.
Anonymous No.17933776 >>17933789
>>17933769
The Bible never tells me to accept every opinion that exists among Rabbis.
Yes I can - sin. David's relationship with Bathsheba is one of the biggest falls from grace in the Old Testament.
Anonymous No.17933777
>>17933772
here, dumbass >>17933774
Anonymous No.17933778
>>17933774
>Is using ChatGPT.
Anonymous No.17933782 >>17933792
>>17933774
>BETHUEL BECAME THE FATHER OF REBEKAH.
Again, unless you believe that Bethuel impregnated a woman RIGHT AFTER HE HAD BEEN BORN, your argument it's fucking stupid.

You realize this is the retarded Jewish interpretation you're using to attack Christians, right? You know this is the insane argumentation used all over the Talmud, right?
Anonymous No.17933789 >>17933792 >>17933797 >>17933798 >>17933799
>>17933776
>The Bible never tells me to accept every opinion that exists among Rabbis
This is stand alone commentary in the Talmud explains the age of Bathsheba.
Anonymous No.17933792 >>17933798
>>17933789
Hey retard, you haven't answered me:
>>17933775
>>17933782

What, can't come up with an answer even using fuckign ChatGPT?
Anonymous No.17933793 >>17933802
This kid carried 20kg of water 10 times per day. Ok Muslims.
Anonymous No.17933796 >>17933803 >>17933816
>>17933775
no it would mean bethuel was around isaac's age during the akedah dumbass
Anonymous No.17933797 >>17933798
>>17933789
There was no Talmud during Christ's lifetime. I understand referring to Jews is the best ammo you got but you're shooting blanks here.
Anonymous No.17933798 >>17933800 >>17933816
>>17933789
>>17933792
I am not guy so I fail to see why you reply to me.
>>17933797
What do you think the oral law is?
Anonymous No.17933799 >>17933803 >>17933816
>>17933789
>For when Abraham came from Mount Moriah

The comentary is already wrong on its very first sentence, there is absolutely no indication of when or where Abraham was when he was told of Milcah. The reason it's only saying this is because the Jewis readers are acting as if every event in Genesis 22 is happen immediately one after the other, so they think that right after the sacrifice of Isaac event happened they think that he got the news of Milcah.
Anonymous No.17933800 >>17933804
>>17933798
>What do you think the oral law is?
Law? You think commentaries of select Rabbis are law?
Anonymous No.17933802 >>17933813
>>17933793
This kid waged one of the most disastrous wars in islamic history. Ok Christians.
Anonymous No.17933803 >>17933816
>>17933796
You're making the same mistake as the Rabbis are:
>>17933799
There is no indication of what amount of time happened between tha binding of Isaac and the news of Milcah. The Bible just says:
>Now after these things it was told to Abraham
Genesis 22:20
No indication of the specific amount of time.
Anonymous No.17933804 >>17933806 >>17933813
>>17933800
In Judaism Moses got two laws at Sinai one written in text and one in oral form.
Anonymous No.17933806 >>17933809
>>17933804
>In Judaism-
So a false religion, got it.
Anonymous No.17933809 >>17933814
>>17933806
>No rebuttal
>Has no idea about the most basic shit
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.17933813 >>17933814 >>17933815
>>17933802
No idea why I'd give af about that. The history is full of child kings and child queens who "led" a country.

>>17933804
Ok, so some rabbis have an opinion about particular OT characters' ages and .... Moses got two laws at Sinai. I'm waiting for the punchline.
Anonymous No.17933814 >>17933832
>>17933813
>>17933809
Anonymous No.17933815 >>17933832
>>17933813
history is full of child bodybuilding prodigies
Anonymous No.17933816 >>17933824
>>17933803
>>17933798
>>17933799
>>17933796
And again, just so that we're clear, even IF we were to grant that Abraham got the news of Milcah bearing children right after the binding of Isaac, that would still mean that the one who was born was Bethuel, the father of Rebeccah, so the only way she would've been FUCKING 3 YEARS OLD when Isaac was 38 would've been if Bethuel impregnated a woman while he was still a fucking baby.
Anonymous No.17933824 >>17933829
>>17933816
bethuel was a child of abrahams brother, meaning he would have been around the same age as isaac by then, what dont you understand here
Anonymous No.17933829 >>17933835
>>17933824
>bethuel was a child of abrahams brother, meaning he would have been around the same age as isaac by then
According to the Rabbis you're citing Abraham had just gotten the news of Bethuel's brith after the binding of Isaac.

HOLY SHIT you're retarded.
Anonymous No.17933832
>>17933814
My rebuttal is you didn't make an argument. If this is all, then thank you for trying.

>>17933815
Name a three year old one.
Anonymous No.17933835 >>17933837 >>17933846 >>17933853
>>17933829
no dumbass, its retrojected, nobody has ever recorded this "error" you just pulled from your ass
>milcah hath borne
past
>and bethuel begat
present
Anonymous No.17933837 >>17933839
>>17933835
NTA but you do know Hebrew doesn't have past and present, right?
Anonymous No.17933839 >>17933841 >>17933848
>>17933837
you think bethuel and rebecca were born at the same time even though bethuel is her father, and rebecca is his daughter?
Anonymous No.17933841 >>17933866
>>17933839
I think the whole argument about Rebecca is splitting hairs that don't exist to begin with (>>17933756). Differentiating past tense from present tense, if that's what you were doing, would be one such case.
Anonymous No.17933846
>>17933835
>no dumbass, its retrojected,
Citation. FUCKING. Needed.
>But it's better understood as a genealogical summary, not a real-time birth announcement
The Rabbis you're citying are taking it as such.
>Again, this identifies Rebekah as Bethuel's daughter, but does not imply she was born just then
You know this helps my case, right?
>and bethuel begat
>present
Right, so do you believe that he impregnated a woman when he was a fucking baby?
Anonymous No.17933848 >>17933866
>>17933839
>you think bethuel and rebecca were born at the same time even though bethuel is her father
That's what your reasoning leads to.
Anonymous No.17933850
>>17933590 (OP)
>do you think muhammad was a real prophet chosen by god? why or why not?
No. He was a brown skinned war lord who raped little children. There is nothing holy about this man.
Anonymous No.17933853
>>17933835
Also, let me just clarify that even if we were to take your entire reading, that would actually mean that more time had passed since the binding of Isaac, meaning that Rebeccah would've been even older, not younger.
Anonymous No.17933858 >>17933894
>>17933590 (OP)
Okay pal, let put this together:
1. No recorded miracles. Not even the scholars of that religion claimed that he performed miracles.
2. No actual future telling. Not a single prophecy has proven to be true.
3. The texts and messages attributed to that person contain assertions about history, natural science, medicine, and other fields of knowledge that are false when taken literally. See the list below.
4. As transmitted by Hadith and Al'quoran itself, he cannot deliver the story about the Seven Sleepers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sleepers#Account_in_the_Quran
He needs 3 attampts to come up with a kind of early Christian fairy tell. Did I already mention the lack of actual prophecies or miracles?
5. The moral teachings that he provide cannot be proven false, because of the nature of normative claims. Anyway, they lack any clear structure or justification. He just claimed that some things are good and other things are bad. He do not explain why. Unlike actual moral teacher or philosophers who at leasts try to justify their requiments.
6. Speaking about ethics. The Codex he developed seems highly dubious. He prohibited dancing, music, painting, and any kind of drug, keeping only one thing: Prayer.
This is strongly against human nature as it forbit any activity that makes people happy.
One could argue that other religions like Christianity or Buddhism does the same thing and this one would be right. However, Buddhism and Christianity focus on s3xuality and do not prohibite the use of art.
In contrast, the behavioural Codex that this person teaches us includes strange things. Just as a instance, women need to hide their hair. If a fly falls into your food, you should dip it back in. This is because one wing contains a poison and the other a counterpoison.
WTH? This is not wisedom, this is superstition at best and some neurosis at worst.
Anonymous No.17933860 >>17933862 >>17933902
He was deceived the same daemon that deceived Jews and Christians.
Anonymous No.17933862 >>17933873
>>17933860
Anonymous No.17933866 >>17933879
>>17933841
>>17933848
again, it takes place after isaac was born, when abraham was around 100, nahor was the older brother of abraham, so bethuel would have been older than isaac, he was not born at the akedah, the part after the akedah recounts genealogies leading up to the encounter of abraham and rebecca.
Anonymous No.17933873 >>17933879
>>17933862
your options for wives are former onlyfans models and transgender men, laugh now, cry later.
Anonymous No.17933879 >>17933890 >>17933893 >>17933899
>>17933866
>again, it takes place after isaac was born, when abraham was around 100,
Nowhere in the text does it say that Bethuel was born then. Otherwise he would've gotten then news earlier than 30 fucking years later. Especially when they were all living in the same region and sending the news to him wouldn't have taken more than a week.
>he was not born at the akedah,
Again, ACCORDING TO THE RABBIS YOU'RE CITING, that's when he was born.
>the part after the akedah recounts genealogies
1. That contradicts the Rabbis and the Talmud
2. Even then, none of that tells us anything about the timeline of events, how old was Bethuel at the time of the binding of Isaac? If Rebeccah was already born how old was she, etc. It simply states that Abraham got the news of Milcah's births after the binding of Isaac, that's it.

So even if we were to grant everything you said, that if anything opens the window of possibilty of Rebeccah already having been born when Abraham and Isaac went to Mount Moriah.
>>17933873
your options for wives are former onlyfans models and transgender men
Do you have any idea of the rampant degeneracy happening in the middle east,? Did you know that there are homsexual encounters happening in Meccah? Or how many hoejabis are in TikTok?
Anonymous No.17933890
>>17933879
cuck rage, enjoy your ss uniform porn whore. nigger
Anonymous No.17933893 >>17933895
>>17933879
There is no degeneracy in the Middle East under Allah (PBUH) will everything is sacred. Stop the slander or else...
yo'pal No.17933894
>>17933858
7. The ethics or moral teachings he provides are self-serving to an uncanny degree.
He wants to marry a woman who is already married to a relative. Is this forbidden by law? Don't worry, the so-called prophet will do it anyway. Who cares about consistency?
Since his actions serve as role models for all other devoted fans, he sets a bad moral example.
Slavery, the suppression of women, discrimination against people of other faiths - no problem, as long as you have the upper hand in the struggle.
The very human and individual taste of a single man has been claimed to be divine preferences for centuries.
And it's a shame.
As I said, other religions may been not much better, yet they at least attempts to transcentend individual tast.

So, now we go into the errors:
a) They claimed that some guy called Dhu al-Qarnayn conquered the entire earth. He even goes from one end of the world, where the sun rises, to the other end.
I do not need to go into it to show that no serious historian knows about these events. If someone had conquered the entire world in the past, we would know about it.
The assertion that the sun comes out of a sea in the far east and sets in the far west only works under one condition: A flat earth at the center of the universe.
And it was known even in the 5th century that this model of the world is simply wrong.
b.) The description of how the embryo develops in a woman's womb is simply false. It's bullshit at best. Many scholars lie to themselves to maintain their belief in it.
It claims that the bones appear first.
It talkes Bullshit about blood and doesn't even describe something smiliar to cells or genes.
Did God forget about this, simply neglect how is own creatin works when he dictates this words?

I could go on and on to describe how terrible this prophecy works as a book on science.
You would expact that God provides more exact wisedom, though. God creat the world. He must know how it works, at least in general, in overview.
Anonymous No.17933895 >>17933898
>>17933893
Shut the fuck up and go fuck some Bacha Bazi boy or an Iranian tranny.
Anonymous No.17933898 >>17933912
>>17933895
You are playing with fire, unholy infedel, Saudi Arabia has 70% of the world's oil reserves while you have 70% of world homos. One of our princes is going to come over there and fuck your country with one of his dildos, then he will fuck you up the ass and then he will give you your own dildo and you will fuck yourself. You are going to be his human bitch.
Anonymous No.17933899 >>17933903 >>17933906
>>17933879
>after these things [...]
>[...] bethuel begat rebecca
>after this verse, abraham meets rebecca
>jews have understood this as rebecca having born then for hundreds of years
>christians started claiming the opposite in the 21st century as a response to islamic apologetics
seems legit
Anonymous No.17933902
>>17933860
Initially, I would belive that this "men" would be jinns but... lol.
Anonymous No.17933903 >>17933904
>>17933899
Some Jews did, some Jews didn't. Rabbinical opinions are as varied as it gets.
Anonymous No.17933904 >>17933932
>>17933903
2 (two) jews didnt, 200 years after rabbinic scholarship was completed, meanwhile rabbinic majority opinion of the day went back over a thousand years.
Anonymous No.17933906 >>17933913
>>17933899
>>after these things [...]
Right, no specific time described.
>>[...] bethuel begat rebecca
Doesn't say when.
>>after this verse, abraham meets rebecca
Again, doesn't say when specifically or how much time it had happened.
>>jews have understood this as rebecca having born then for hundreds of years
Right, Jews are retarded and don't understand their own scriptures, otherwise they'd be Christians, they're wrong and we're right, we shit on their interpretations.
>>christians started claiming the opposite in the 21st century
What the fuck are you talking about? The entirety of the time of our religion we've been telling Jews that their intepretations of Scritpure are wrong. And so have Mohammedans for that matter, they've spent centuries arguing with Jews that Mohammed is prophesied in the Old Testament (which he isn't but that's another matter)
Anonymous No.17933912
>>17933898
>Saudi Arabia has 70% of the world's oil reserves
You know that the world is actively moving away from fossile fuels, right? In part specifically to stop depening on Saudi Arabia.
>One of our princes is going to come over there and fuck your country with one of his dildos
Saudi royals are some of the biggest degenerates in the world, they're full of homos and pedos, just like the British royal family and the US government
Anonymous No.17933913 >>17933917
>>17933906
>Right, no specific time described.
yeah and fisting is just a synonym for a friendly fist bump with your homies.
>What the fuck are you talking about?
christians have not harped on this rebecca thing before muslims called them out, just like christians didnt harp on muslims before 20th century age of consent laws, youre being disingenuous.
Anonymous No.17933917 >>17933921
>>17933913
>christians have not harped on this rebecca thing before muslims called them out
Because Mohammedans were desperate to find some kind of comeback argument to deflect from the fact that their prophet is a pedo.
Anonymous No.17933921 >>17933922
>>17933917
this "comeback" existed before it even was a "comeback."
Anonymous No.17933922 >>17933969
>>17933921
And I've been destroying point by point over the time on this thread.

Anyway, good night.
Anonymous No.17933924
>>17933590 (OP)
muhammad was a subhuman arab, that alone excludes him from being a prophet
Anonymous No.17933932 >>17933966
>>17933904
Rabbinical Judaism as is a recent development to begin with. I'm not sure you're completely aware of how Judaism worked over a thousand years.
Anonymous No.17933966 >>17933981
>>17933932
the pharisees of the bible are rabbinical rabbis mentioned in the talmud
Anonymous No.17933969
>>17933922
i accept your surrender
Anonymous No.17933981 >>17933994
>>17933966
Pharisees are a subset of Rabbis as we Talmudically understand them. The idea that this goes back over a thousand years in any kind of consensus is still obviously false.
Anonymous No.17933994 >>17933999
>>17933981
no, clearly this christian counter-islamic apologetic does.
Anonymous No.17933999
>>17933994
>You don't trust them Rabbis? Clearly a counter-islamic stance.
Lmao
Anonymous No.17934018
>>17933600
Are Muslims incapable of discourse going above the level of whataboutisms?
Anonymous No.17934508
>>17933590 (OP)
YOU CANNOT DEPICT THE PROPHET MOHUMMAD
Anonymous No.17934519
>>17933590 (OP)
No, because he was brown
Anonymous No.17934683
I believe Muhammad was a false prophet for many reasons. Primarily, the fatal mistake of his narrative is that the Islam is contingent upon the Christian mission being a failure. According to orthodox Islam, the nondescript Messiah of Islam (merely a prophetic man with a special end-times role) had his mission immediately thwarted by the incompetent disciples, who twisted Isa's purely Islamic message into human-worshipping idolatry immediately. Even if recourse is had to some fringe group of 'true Christians' surviving, like the Ebionites, it is impossible to deny that these 'true Christians' were utterly destroyed by the tidal force of the Apostolic Church, which rejected them immediately as apostates of the Christian faith. In the Islamic view of history, the long-awaited Messiah came, 'appeared to be crucified,' and ascended into heaven after putting into motion a plan which failed less than a single generation after the Christ's birth.
Why would Allah enact a plan like this, where the disciples of Jesus immediately fail to uphold "true Christian faith," when Allah himself allegedly gave this promise to the disciples:
"O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the Disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, AND THEY BECAME THE ONES THAT PREVAILED." - Sura 61:14
Anonymous No.17934687
>>17933590 (OP)
Me when I do the Father's will in the Son's name.
Anonymous No.17934989
>>17933590 (OP)
>prophet chosen by god?
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Anonymous No.17934991
>>17933590 (OP)
>why
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Anonymous No.17934992
>>17933590 (OP)
>do you think muhammad was a real prophet chosen by god
Yeah. Source: The Koran
Anonymous No.17936244
>>17933712
>God announces the canaanites will be purged
Why slay the man by the sword instead of slaying the idolatry out of the man by wisdom?
Not very Divine. May I say.
Anonymous No.17936451
Sin duda el islam fue una de las mayores estafas de la historia creada por un hombre rico que querΓ­a que le tratarΓ‘n como un dios
Anonymous No.17936578
>>17933590 (OP)
Muhammad isn't shit. He's shit. Islam is shit, OP is shit, this thread is shit
Anonymous No.17937633
>>17933590 (OP)
Considering that god told people to take child sex slaves in the old testament, it makes sense that he would choose a pedophile as his final prophet
Anonymous No.17938421
>>17933590 (OP)
Quran is too good to be written by someone in his shoes so yeah, probably.
Anonymous No.17938446
>>17933590 (OP)
>do you think muhammad was a real prophet chosen by god?
This has the validity as any other Abrahamic claim, in fact even more so since Mohammed seems to have existed unlike Jesus and Moses.
Anonymous No.17938450
>>17933594
>If God chose him, why the unethical behavior?
Same reason all Christians and Jews acted unethically in all of history when they were chosen by God.
They act unethically exactly because they are chosen by God, because God is an evil jew.
Anonymous No.17938846
>>17933594
What if he's the prophet of an unethical god?