Thread 17939476

The Spanish Empire was the most detrimental entity to humanity. Spaniards accomplished nothing, stole gold from native people and then went bankrupt. Its legacy is a bunch of poor squat goblinos. Native Americans would be better off without Spanish influence.

Ok.

Cope. From one of the greatest minds of the Renaissance,

>"After the creation of the world, no empire was found so great nor so admirable as the Spanish one is today... The Spanish Empire is so vast that it is barely believable, filled with such wonders that it seems like a fable to those who do not understand cosmography and the inevitable force of this era... If you look around Africa, from the West to the South, it holds more than 40 kingdoms like Spain. Add to that the domination of nearly the entire Ocean, which is inestimable... Thus, today there is no dominion in the world, nor has there ever been, that reaches even a tenth of the Spanish Empire, and this is not without divine miracle. There are three causes, politically speaking, of human empires: God, prudence, and opportunity... Now, I find that the Spanish Empire, more than all others, is founded on the hidden providence of God, and not on human prudence and strength... Truly, this work was of God, who through marriage united Spain with Austria and granted it inheritance... Moreover, to even greater wonder, God inspired the spirit of Christopher Columbus, a Genoese, to seek the other hemisphere and... he found only one woman who believed and supported him, and that was Queen Isabella... And because it was impossible for so few people, as were the Spaniards, to penetrate among so many innumerable barbarians and to navigate the immense Ocean without stars and without the North Star, amid unknown winds, God provided two marvelous instruments: the compass, for the sea, inspired to Flavio the Italian of Amalfi, and the arquebuses against the barbarians, inspired to a German. Finally, wishing to show His admirable providence, God allowed the King of Portugal to die in Africa without a legitimate heir... Therefore, it is seen that this monarchy of Spain, which embraces all nations and spans the world, is the very one of the Messiah."
- Tommaso Campanella in "Discorsi ai principi d'ltalia".

>>17939476 (OP)
>Austria-Hungary
Who the heck came from there? Kafka?

>>17939516
Tesla

>>17939516
Lots of smart jews

>stole gold from native people
Thats a polite way of saying killed millions, destroyed art, suppressed knowledge and burned books, to the extent that we have permanently lost hundreds of years of historical knowledge.

It was almost entirely preventable too, I've lost count of how many stories i've heard that went "the natives peacefully surrendered/came to discuss peace and then the spanish got a bug up their ass about something random(or just got greedy/bloodthirsty/horny) and raped/robbed/massacred everyone causing decades of conflict and thousands dead"

Reminder that after the first century after contact the native mexican population dropped NINETY PERCENT, and the native peruvian population dropped NINETY FIVE PERCENT.

Great job "civilizing" them Pedro, at least you raised quality of life for the remain-oh right. Well at least that gold went on to have lasting effects on quality of life in spai-oh, right.

At least now spain is an irrelevant shithole that will never trouble the world again outside of obnoxiously bothering tourists.

>>17939541
*in the first century after contact
my bad

>>17939530
>smart jews
Tautology

>>17939541
Yeah but look at all the massive cultural contributions we got from the Spanish conquest like...
uh...
reggaeton?

1. Communism is the worst thing to happen to humanity.

2. Socialism is right behind it.

3. Islam.

4. Genocides of every kind.

5. Imperialism, something the spaniards are obviously guilty of.

>>17939550
Don't forget chamoy and soap operas!

>>17939511
Yeah I don't think a Dominican friar soifacing over how great it is the wholesome chungus globohomo can impose Catholicism on any corner of the Atlantic is a neutral arbiter here

>>17939583
KEK

>>17939516
Austria-Hungary had an extremely lively intellectual life. Mind you that this chart shows you notable people, so artists etc. are included and Austria-Hungary had its share of them.

They sucked but they used some of that gold to fight the ottomans so they weren't all that bad

Resentful Latinx thread
>>17939598
>had an extremely lively intellectual life
The extremely lively intellectual life in question

>>17939608
Beats two scholastics arguing over whether saint gabriel is more powerful than saint michael

>>17939476 (OP)
>>17939541
Vae Victus

>>17939676
It's vae victis you fucking illiterate plebeian.

>>17939476 (OP)
The americas should've just been colonized by any other europeans but those moorniggers. Then the entire continent would just be a direct improvement over Europe as a whole.

>>17939745
Have you taken a look at Haiti or Brazil? And it's not like ex-Dutch colonies are shining examples of successful societies. Colonisation just should not have happened in the first place, plain and simple.

>>17939541
>NNOOOOO NOOO MY POTTERY
cry more brown faggot lmao

>>17939940
sorry pedro i cant understand you, but if you go fetch us some more drinks i'll give you a nice crisp dollar bill, thats like a whole weeks wage for you right?

>>17939516
Mozart and alot of notable painters and artists, Vienna has long been a hotbed for creative practice in europe.

>>17939541
>Thats a polite way of saying killed millions, destroyed art, suppressed knowledge and burned books, to the extent that we have permanently lost hundreds of years of historical knowledge.
Thus kind of WEWUZZERY would make afrocentrists blush

>>17939804
If all colonies were like the US, the Americas would literally be unstoppable. But I don't know why something like that was not replicated.

Spain was the worst thing that could ever have happened to the New World

Dude, the first grammar book of nahuatl was made before the first book of english grammar and was made by the spaniards, that is called "destruying cultures"

And if it was true that more of 90 porcent of native mexicans died (A random fact that is not comprovated ) The mayority died of being ill. Think idiot, do you think Hernan Cortes conquered mexico with 500 troops and a couple horses (A country that had 15 million people)
The awnser is no, the natives who were opressed by the aztec empire were the ones who revealed they only used spain as a excuse to end the aztec empire (the worst empire ever)

>>17940515
>spicjeets were so infectious they wiped out 90% of the subjugated population just by shitting on their streets
impressive 2bh

>>17939476 (OP)
>poor squat goblinos

You forgot to mention how Spain will gleefully import a gorillion blacks and promote racemixing to ruin your society completely as the cherry on top
The cards were stacked against Latin America from the beginning when Iberians discovered the place. I really don't blame them for how their society are, Spain never gave them a proper base to build on and then destroy them some more

Spain is the only country that have build a world heritage in the world sooo...
But Brittain or the united states or france, they all killed civilians and i can tell you as a proud descendat of spaniards i would preffer 8 times have sex with a spaniard than being killed. Mexicans are dactually proud of spain but the british and communist write history bud.

The problem with the US is that is a country of jews and masons. Do you actualy think france would sell all of lusiane so cheap or spain would sell florida, is a country of fat circuncidated masons

I meant a world heritage in other country

Hispanic america is way less Black than the united states, fun curiosity the island of the Española (i dont know how is it called in english )
Has two countries 1 Haití a black mayority country consumed in drugs and it speaks a language that comes from french, and 2 dominican republic the growest economy in all of america and they are a rich mixture of natives, spaniards and blacks

>>17939549
>implying

>>17939541
>burned books

Natives Americans haad no books

They had.
Bernal Díaz del Castillo describes a library in which moctezuma had books related to the the financal things of the empire.
Fernando de Alba, cronist descendant of Nezahualcóyotl, emoeror of Texcoco says in his book "Because in the city of Tezcuco were the royal archives of all the things referred to, for having been the metropolis of all sciences, uses and good customs, because the kings who were from it prided themselves on this and were the legislators of this new world; and what escaped the fires and calamities referred to, which my ancestors kept, came into my hands, from where I have extracted and translated the history that I promise to write".
We also know they had a writing system because of the Tizoc and Moctezuma stone

>>17939940
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>>17940940
>conquistadors write numerous first hand accounts of destroying enormous mexican libraries
>spanish priests write numerous first hand accounts of destroying enormous mexican libraries and suppressing local culture and history
>spanish settlers and surviving mexicans write numerous first hand accounts of seeing those guys burning libraries
>spanish governors and their staff keep records of having burned libraries
>spanish governors literally send for native books and writers to aid with early governance because they kept shitloads of written information about demographics, trade goods, and culture of hundreds of mexican cities.
>archeologists have found the ruins of burned libraries and some surviving books
>archeologists found maya writing 2200 years old
>maya script and mathematics is almost entirely translated and you can even take classes to learn it
>12 year old /pol/tards come and claim it doesn't exist 500 years later because the longest thing they've ever read about the subject is half a wikipedia article

Btw as someone who actually HAS read first hand accounts of the conquistadors and early governors, they were constantly noting how mexican cities were nicer than spanish ones and seething about it :)

>stole gold from natives
they deserved it for being godless sodomites addicted to child sacrifice and chorizo

>>17941282
I don't care.

>destroyed art, suppressed knowledge and burned books, to the extent that we have permanently lost hundreds of years of historical knowledge.
what sorts of art? and what kind of knowledge? I say do it again and finish the job this time

>>17941293
lmao actual underage

>>17941282
>mexican cities were nicer than spanish cities
thats a vast oversimplification. they said some of their sewage systems were like the venice of the americas. I dont think that the spaniards found temples reeking of human flesh from flayed skins draped across altars all that 'nice'. or the skull racks with hundreds of skulls of their sacrifices.

>>17941282
>mexican cities were nicer than spanish ones
>temples covered in flayed skins and burning human hearts on braziers
>priests pissing and dumping loads as offerings to Tlazōlteōtl to stave off syphilis afflicted to temple prostitutes
>In the Aztec language the word for sacred, tzin, comes from tzintli, the buttocks, and religious rituals include offerings of "liquid gold" (urine) and gold (Nahuatl teocuitlatl "divine excrement")

>>17939476 (OP)
Then the jews stole the gold when they took over madrid and then gave it all to moscow and the bolsheveiks in the 1930s

>>17941290
yeah the spanish really rescued them by killing 90% of them and forcing the rest to do brutal slave labour in mines for 4 centuries
>>17941295
yeah the natives did bad stuff too. Us adults don't think you should burn thousands of years of historical books and kill tens of millions because they hurt your feelings
>>17941303
>thats a vast oversimplification. they said some of their sewage systems were like the venice of the americas
You're the one oversimplifying(or lets be honest, outright lying) here. They did not just compliment the sewer systems, they were amazed by the size, the health and happiness of the average population, the cleanliness and safety, the running water in nearly every home, low crime rate, public education, public sports, one of the largest markets on earth with extreme diversity in products, the fertility of the gardens, aqueducts, complex dams and drawbridges, etc etc etc. You don't call a city "Venice of the Americas" because of its fucking sewers, its insane you actually expected anyone to buy your bullshit.
>>17941310
>temples covered in flayed skins and burning human hearts on braziers
Easiest way to tell you're underage or sub 90IQ is this ridiculous two wrongs make a right reasoning. Not even 1% of the population would ever be sacrificed even while mexico was occupied by the most warlike and sacrifice happy empire the new world had ever seen in 2000 years of history, and an overwhelming majority of those were criminals or war captives(The spanish would normally execute these) and willing participants.
Yeah, it was bad, horrible even, but it doesn't even remotely compare to or JUSTIFY the cruelty the spanish would inflict on them afterwards. You don't "rescue" people by murdering 90-95% of them and then forcing them to do brutal slave labour, you're either ignorant or retarded.

>>17941303
Iberijeeets thought daily bathing was a Muslim conspiracy to undermine the catholic faith so their opinions on hygiene should be discarded

>>17941350
>Us adults don't think you should burn thousands of years of historical books and kill tens of millions because they hurt your feelings
Us adults understand the true nature of the universe, and that the ruins of a civilization that you like to larp as was reduced to ashes for good reason, the same reason the canaanites were condemned to annihilation and the same reason the dinosaurs were wiped out. your society was in grave error against God, against the laws of nature. sodomy and child sacrifice are the epitome of evil that a human society can become capable of, and God sent his young lions on chariots to punish you severely, as he sent the Aryans and Hittites to punish the Jews. sorry that the spaniards hurt your feelings so much by trashing all that useless knowledge, but none of it would have elevated the human race. what use does a grimoire explaining flaying techniques for Xipian rituals have for the modern world, beyond the realm of cartels? you should learn a lesson from the popul vuhl or whatever its called. 4 races the Gods made, and 4 they destroyed because they were in error and flawed. a 5th race was made to replace them. that 5th race is white people, not you ese

>>17941310
>priests pissing and dumping loads as offerings to Tlazōlteōtl to stave off syphilis afflicted to temple prostitutes
>In the Aztec language the word for sacred, tzin, comes from tzintli, the buttocks, and religious rituals include offerings of "liquid gold" (urine) and gold (Nahuatl teocuitlatl "divine excrement")
Yeah gross, but limited to organized rituals. Meanwhile the natives would bathe twice a day and wash before and after every meal, had government funded street cleaners working every day, AND had yearly festivals dedicated to cleaning up their cities. They had fucking running water in half the houses specifically for bathing.

Meanwhile the Spanish were dumping their shit in the streets and walking around in it every day, not to mention garbage, rotting food, horseshit, etc.

Of course this is all still nonsense, even if the natives were India tier dirty the moral and productive solution would not be killing 90% of them and enslaving the rest.

>>17941350
>were criminals or war captives(The spanish would normally execute these) and willing participants.
sacrificial victims to Xipe Totec were specifically, and always, teenage girls. and by willing participants you mean brainwashed fools, fed lies by satanic priests and shamans

>>17941369
>in the space of a century tenochitlan goes from being a marvel of cleanliness to a mexico city so disgusting that literally every european visitor commented on the corpses and excrement rotting in the streets
Here's your civilisation o algo

>>17941350
Seethe about it, half of your DNA is patrilineal Spanish and so is your language. Not amount of seething and spamming random vietnamese anime imageboard will ever change this reality. You lost, forever.
PS. Bolivia next president will be a Spanish creole lol

>>17941368
>civilization that you like to larp as
Conquistadorcucks projecting again, can't imagine showing an interest in history without self inserting because they have the brains of women and children.
>>17941375
First of all thats an Incan(Andean) child it literally says so in the filename.
Second of all yeah they did, they killed kids too. They're lucky the Spanish showed up, they would never-
>"they slaughtered the entire town, soldiers, nobles, and civilians. Men were garroted, women were raped and had their breasts cut off, many children were drowned with cords tied to their feet"
oh right

Once again, none of this shit actually matters, two wrongs do not make a right. No one is claiming that the natives were flawless innocent angels, thats a ridiculous strawman you made up in your head. We're saying that the Spanish were worse. Nothing you say can erase the easily verifiable numbers of Mexicans the Spanish killed, robbed, raped, enslaved, and worked to death, for CENTURIES, just to juice all natural resources out of the land and send them right back to Spain. NOTHING the natives did compares to the atrocities of normal Spanish rule, not even the largest and most brutal Aztec massacres. KILLING EVERYONE is not rescue, liberation, enlightenment, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

The Conquistadors and Governors are in the deepest levels of hell right now getting personally buttfucked by satan while Hitler Mao and Judas sit in the corner waiting their turn.
>>17941404
Im irish nigger, i've never even been to Latin America. Once again you fags can't even comprehend of someone caring about history knowledge and morality without it being some sort of larp or power fantasy.

>>17941377
You forgot to mention them turning one of the most fertile places on earth into a literal desert that now has regular problems with droughts and dust storms lol.

>>17941418
>spicjeets turn lush, fertile lake into a barren desert that reminds them of their homeland
Kinda wholesome 2bh

>>17941409
>Im irish nigger
kek. just fyi mexicans dont care that you are catholic, they hate you for being a gringo anyways. you irishcucks that think palestinians and mexicans are your bros just cause they got oppressed have really gotta learn a thing or two about how the world works.

>>17941423
spain isnt a desert you fucking retard, most of its forested

>>17941409
>Im irish nigger
A raped race having compassion for another raped race... heartwarming

>>17941418
Modern Mexican did that

>>17941442
1100 heat wave deaths says what now

>>17941437
>>17941446
>>17941446
LMAO i knew you fags would use this to try and change the subject, everyone can see right through you btw.
And I don't give a shit about what mexicans and palestinians think of me. Once again, i'm a grown adult who's capable of seeing the world in ways that don't include self insert and fantasy.
Now are you gonna get back to the actual subject or are you gonna keep trying to hide and deflect like an 8 year old?
>>17941452
I mean sort of

>>17941452
>paternally and linguistically spanish people did that
Fixed fren >>17941404

>>17941460
The remaining half of their DNA comes from utter sbhumans so there wasn't much hope to start with
>>17941466
are you really going to goon over failed states

>>17941501
But it's the least genetically/linguistically spanish parts of Mexico that have the lowest levels of cartel violence, it's based mostly-spanish BVLLS flaying the faces of their rivals and sewing them onto footballs

>>17939516
the (((guy))) who tells you you want to fuck your mom

>>17941516
>But it's the least genetically/linguistically spanish parts of Mexico that have the lowest levels of cartel violence
Irrelevant because Spain itself has far less violence than anywhere in Latin America.

Chile is one of the safest countries in all of america and 93% of the population is a descendants of spanish, the northrn part of México is not por because it haves more spanish is like that because IS the land were all the drugs go to north america

>>17941545
Spain is just Disneyland for north euros, would lose all those tourist dollars if the locals chipped out

>>17941675
Pathetic retort

>>17939541
>we have permanently lost hundreds of years of historical knowledge
Thousands, the oldest writing found in mesoamerica is from 650BC

>>17941712
table six needs some more paella btw

yes spain turned half a dozen unique civilisations into mentally ill brown reggaeton mutts and they were based for it, there I said it

>>17941745
what you don't get is that the mentally ill brown reggaeton thing is a result of the indian mind. The only thing that change is the language.
If europeans never landed in America it would just be a collection of sub saharan tier shitholes even worse than today poorer and more criminal

>>17941784
>Dominican genetics reflect a significant European (predominantly Spanish) and Sub-Saharan African admixture, with smaller but notable Native American (Taíno) contributions. Studies show, on average, around 52% European, 40% African, and 8% Native American ancestry
cope

>>17941789
Mate the average Dominican is less genetically related to a Spaniard than a fucking Kazakhstani is.

>>17941303
Cortez and Diaz del castillo did admire Tenochtilan architecture:
Second missive of cortez:
"There are in this great city many mosques or houses of their idols with very beautiful buildings"
"There are well forty very tall and well-built towers, the largest of which have fifty steps to climb to the body of the tower; The most main one is taller than the tower of the main church of Seville. "
"There are many very good and very large houses in this great city, and the reason there are so many main houses is that all the lords of the land, vassals of the said Mutezuma, have their houses in the said city and reside there at a certain time of the year, and in addition to this there are many rich citizens who also have very good houses. All of them, in addition to having very large and good rooms, have very gentle flower orchards in various ways, both in the upper and lower rooms"
Nuremberg map which is based on the map cortez created and sent to Carlos V in his second missive:

>>17941802
more related to iberijeets than he is to the indios kek

>>17941784
>>17941789
the spanish poisoned everyone with their negroid genetics, both directly and indirectly

>>17941810
This board is fucking unusable. The retarded schizo just floods the board with this shit despite all the evidence to the contrary.

>>17941874
>africans just magically teleported to dominica o algo

>>17941874
in addition to conquistadors being from the most moorish parts of spain (andalusia, extremadura, etc) they also imported a ton of africans

>>17941880
>>17941917

Ever notice how conquistadorfag posts always come in bursts, with multiple posts saying the same nonsense in the same way come together in close succession? Either its one guy samefagging or they're organizing on discord. Either way, absolutely pathetic.

>>17941459
love how "they" just gave up after realizing they couldn't do their usual racist ragebaiting to distract you

>>17942063
Sorry pancho but even native americans are more aryan than you and your latinx descendency

>>17939476 (OP)
Counterpoint: They gave us big booty castiza gfs which more than makes up for the bad hombres.

>>17939476 (OP)
Ninth out of all of Europe isn't bad
>>17941350
>killing 90%
Reddit tier misinformation

Spain spread Christianity to the far corners of the Earth, they're the second-greatest empire in history after the Roman Empire.

> spain is between belgium and norway
embarassing

>>17942898
70% russians there are jews and germans from koenigsberg

>>17942898
Angloid propaganda

>>17943445
list some great spanish scientists and engineers and their inventions then

>>17943450
A spaniard invented the first submarine.
Also why do you care about inventions and other nerd shit? Spain and Portugal were exploring the entire planet while the others were doing nerd shit. Nobody in his right mind want to be the gay ass nerd over the handsome conqueror and adventurer.

>>17943458
It's because the image you called "angloid propaganda" is a chart of birth places of memorable people in science and technology you brown ESL pope cock-sucking retard.

>>17943458
>Spain and Portugal were exploring the entire planet

They hired Italians to build their navy and as navigators. First Portuguese navy was built and led by Italians.

Columbus was Italian.

Portugal and Spain also hired Germans to build their weapons and as mining engineers. Their guns and cannon were cast by Germans. The silver mines and smelting plants in Latin America were built by Germans.

Italians and Germans didn't have their own united countries to work for. Germans were colonising the Baltic and Italians were colonising coastal Crimea and Greek islands.

>>17943466
I'm not the same anon who talked about angloid propaganda and I know what pantheon.world is, thank you

>>17943476
>They hired Italians to build their navy and as navigators
Everyone in Europe did that and you yourself explained the reason. Nonetheless the Portuguese naval innovation like the Caravel were local made and was the reason they got such a headstart and most of the explorers were ethnic Spanish and Portuguese. Vasco da Gama and Magellan or Elcano weren't anything but Iberians.
>Columbus was Italian.
Columbus didn't go by himself to the americas you genuis.

>>17943450
No.

>>17943476
Iberians conquered with blood. Where do you think the money came from to pay all those ethnicities you listed hyperbolically? Might is right.

>>17943466
bro you're literally a jeet

>>17943510
>Iberians conquered with blood.

The royal families of Portugal and Spain were of French and Burgundian origin.

French knights took part in the reconquista and settled down in Iberia.

>>17943602
>The royal families of Portugal and Spain were of French and Burgundian origin.
No they weren't, they had ancestries from all over the place like every other rulers in Europe. I say this as someone who is 7/8 French and they weren't French at all (neither am I btw)
>French knights took part in the reconquista and settled down in Iberia.
anecdotical and irrelevant

>>17941649
Chile is literally just as indigenous as Mexico

>>17943668
Portugal's royal family are Capetian (royal family of France) and Spain's were Anscarids. Neither are Iberian.

Foreign crusaders took back Lisbon from Muslims.

Duarte de Puy's father was a knight from Normandy in France and he became a noble in Portugal.

>>17941649
Yes, but also 100% of chileneans are descendants of indigenous americas.
They are just mestizos