Thread 17939525

>sacrifices himself
>comes back 3 days later
More like sacrificed his weekend

>>17939525 (OP)
try getting crucified yourself funny guy

>>17939529
they only did that to criminals like subversive jewish insurrectionists. Why am I supposed to feel sorry for this douche again?

>>17939534
back to the pits, demon

>>17939537
right on cue

>>17939543
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me will find it.

>>17939525 (OP)
Yeah not really much of a "sacrifice" if he resurrects but then if his followers didn't make that claim Christianity probably still wouldn't exist.

>>17939566
>For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me will find it.
Isn't the main attraction to christianity eternal life? Second part sounds like he's blessing his enemies

>>17939566
kys then

>>17939525 (OP)
He died. That is what death is.

>>17939534
What's the matter? Don't wanna die a torturous death?

>>17939572
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost.

>>17939575
Death is when you're alive 3 days later?

>>17939575
>He died
If he resurrected that means exactly nothing though. He took a 3 day break from being alive just to ascend to Heaven again not long after. Any human who has ever died for any cause is infinitely more of a martyr on the basis of them staying dead.

>>17939525 (OP)
>someone killed the Son of God
do atheists really?

>>17939575
No, and I'm not planning any subversive jewish insurrectionism, I'd be the dude calling the Romans. You're the one that wants to die a tortuous death lol

>>17939578
Yes, pedant. When you come back to life later, that's called magic. He's a fictional magic zombie rabbi. None of it really happened, tortuous or otherwise. Crucifixion is pretty rough in reality.

>>17939578
>>17939585
Death is when you die. We will all be raised up afterwards.
>Any human who has ever died for any cause is infinitely more of a martyr on the basis of them staying dead.
They don't stay dead.

>>17939593
>I'd be the dude calling the Romans
Where are the Romans now? lol

>>17939529
try dying in the holocaust that God allowed only to be burned alive forever for being the wrong type of jew

>>17939609
Where are your enemies the edomite white europeans now? Running the society you leech off lol

>>17939609
So you're saying Jesus's resurrection actually wasn't impressive at all?

>>17939637
No, I'm saying your premise "death only counts if you're never brought back" is a novel invention of an atheistic mind.

>>17939625
The enemy has run the society for a very long time, brother.

>>17939650
You're saying that others are brought back too immediately so why is it special that Jesus came back from the dead?

>>17939577
>pls believe 3=1
No.

>>17939653
No idea where I said immediately. The difference of importance between someone dying, defeating death and then resurrecting himself as opposed to someone dying and then being revived by God to face judgement should be pretty obvious. Also, note that the original point was that the term "dying" (in both those cases) does mean death.

>>17939577
I am tired of this preaching I read the books and found out that the greatest offense was jesus copying modern white man.

>>17939525 (OP)
>>17939529
>>17939534
>>17939575
>>17939588

A lil late but here is the answer

First off, the bible is clear: "The Wages of Sin is death", but, at the same time, "Sin can only be cleansed by blood."

But not all blood is equal.
The point of Yom Kippur is to sacrifice animals and spill their blood at the temple in order to "cover their sins for a year"

To offer a pure white sheep free from disease and imperfections is the greatest offering you can give to God
And to offer the ill, malformed, and miscolored sheep is the greatest insult you can give to God

Humans have the most precious blood of all
We are literally made in God's image - an honor that not even the angels were allowed to have

But due to sin, we are all malformed and sick.
There exists no person in the world with a blood so pure and so valuable, it can cleanse our sins for eternity.

And thus came Jesus.

And as an added note:
While human blood is technically impure, it is still a widely held belief amongst the Hebrews that "The Blood of the Righteous can redeem the Unrighteous"

This refers to the acts of martyrdom.
Making a martyr out of a hero does nothing but invigorate the complacent and add fuel to the fire
And that is exactly what happened to Jesus

>>17939529
I won't respawn, wise guy

>>17939650
>an atheistic mind
Obsessed.

>>17939525 (OP)
>3 days later
>later
time is man-made and utterly insignificant to God. You are too young to engage in this debate

>>17939571
>reading comprehension
try reading it again schlomo. But this time don't use your schnozz

>>17939534
This quote is incorrect. Your image attributes it to Aulus Cornelius Celsus.
Aulus Cornelius Celsus was a Roman encyclopedist and writer on medical practices who died in the mid 1st century.
The quote in your image is from Celsus the Second Century Greek Philosopher.

>>17939800
>entropy is man-made

The definition of heresy is 'picking and choosing', for example the OP.

A Person of the Trinity decides to descend, vivify and restore mankind through his incarnation, ministry, death and resurrection. BTW reminder that Penal Substitutionary Theory is heterodox. God is not punishing and cursing himself, that would break the Trinity.

>>17939611
You cannot burn in hell for shallow reasons. The standard for hell is high: you have to reject Jesus with a full conscience

>>17939663
>>17939701
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father infinite; the Son infinite; and the Holy Ghost infinite. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord

He was a thinly veiled blood sacrifice for Ishtar, which is why the day of his resurrection is named after Eostre, goddess of the dawn

>>17939525 (OP)
The most effective guilt trip in history.

Respect.

>>17939525 (OP)
He was the first and only to actually complete the shamanic initiation. Shamans go through the underworld among their shaman ancestors during a near-death crisis and then come back to their senses having gained their social healing powers. Only Jesus had a full physical death, went through the entire underworld (visiting everyone, not just his fellow shamans) and came back to life, thus completing the alchemical renewal and becoming the greatest healer in the history of humanity, shaman of shamans, king of kings. Shamans recover a human's lost soul; Jesus recovered humanity's soul.

>>17939825
ok? According to Anaximander Chaos was the beginning of existence

>>17939529
Hey, he's the one who decided the whole magic voodoo ritual was necessary in the first place. He's an all-powerful god so he could have just waved his hand and forgiven humanity in an instant without the need for all the theatrics.

>>17940973
>believing words of a jew

lol do you also believe he made a zombie uprising?

>>17939525 (OP)
he never sacrificed himself, because he is god, and ultimately had control over everything from the beginning. An immortal, eternal and omnipotent beeing cannot make a sacrifice because he has nothing to lose, a sacrifice entails loss.
Also how does this redeem humanity? God is the ultimate judge, he is in control over who goes to hell, why does he have to go trough a fake humiliation ritual on himself to save people, when he can simply stop sending them to hell?
Christianity makes no sense.

>>17943149
demiurge had to make a religious system to keep people in constant guilt, shame, fear and ignorance bro

how else is he and the archons going to feed off your sweet loosh

>>17939525 (OP)
Was Jesus conscious during those 3 days?

>>17939525 (OP)
He didn't sacrifice anything, no blood was paid for anybody's sins. It was a literal refund because of his supposed resurrection. When you sacrifice something you actually give it up like this guy says >>17943149 here. Similarly no forgiveness is possible in christian theology because of their demand for ritual murder as compensation instead of simple genuine repentance as is found in the old testament.
>>17939768
>To offer a pure white sheep free from disease and imperfections is the greatest offering you can give to God
Jesus according to his own words was sinful.

>>17939525 (OP)
>More like sacrificed his weekend
kek

>>17939609
It says right in the Tanakh
>The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no more reward, and even the memory of them is lost. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished; never again will they have any share in all that happens under the sun.
And yet, Jesus did, according to you Jews. Why can't you even get your own book right?

>>17939663

3 x Infinity = 1 x infinity

>>17946073
>he believes in 3 x Infinity persons in the god head
>he believes in a pantheon consisting of 1 x infinity gods
welcome to polytheism

>>17939768
>martyr
This is one way to avoid floods and bloodbaths.

There are three persons who witness in heaven, but only one of these three witnesses on earth. Many dissrespect what they see, and say it is a ghost, but they should take heart instead, because it is I.

>>17946118
God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods"

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father, when he said, I am the one who brought you out of the land of slavery.

Some of the praise worthy who heard these words saw polytheism. They still could not understand how three persons could be one God. Others among them entered the gate, and were saved.

>>17946162
The biblical usage of the word "gods" is extremely loose, your interpretation is shit.
>Some of the praise worthy who heard these words saw polytheism.
That's because it's exactly that,
>They still could not understand how three persons could be one God
And neither can you, the only difference is you put your mind in a box and proclaim that you do because you have the holy spirit. A being that early Christians did not even know was another person in the trinity. If you truly understand it you could give an analogy that actually works, but you will fail like countless other trinitarians who also claim to have the holy spirit guiding them

>>17946186
>put your mind in a box
Thats what language is Anon. Without it, you suffer from agnosia. Language is the box that expands our reach beyond the cage of the self indulgence. If you can't see how thee persons can be one God, then taqiyya is just the selfish preservation of an isolated spirit. No one will carry on the traditions of such a witness.

the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Οὗτος was with the Λόγος in the beginning.
Through αὐτοῦ all things were made.

>>17946234
>Thats what language is Anon.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Language is just a way to share information. You aren't even attempting to do that, instead you are hiding behind layers upon layers of "mystery"
>and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters
The wind of God you mean, nothing about that even indicates it is personal.

>>17939529

If I was guaranteed a respawn. Why not?

>>17946252
Exactly, and with a 3 day vacation in heaven too. Or hell, but that' just another contradiction so who knows for sure?

>>17939525 (OP)
What were you expecting, dummy? He is the son of God.

>>17946363
Israel is the son of God, the Pharisees are called gods by Jesus, etc. The point he was making is that it is not a sacrifice

>>17946385
>Pharisees are called gods by Jesus,

Jesus said to them, “You’re from below. I’m from above. You’re from this world. I’m not from this world. For this reason I told you that you’ll die because of your sins. If you don’t believe that I am the one, you’ll die because of your sins.”

>>17946073
>Alice has as much money as Bob and Charlie combined
>therefore Alice is Bob + Charlie
>I am le very intelligent deep understanding profound wow very much divine intellect
This is what christcucks produce after 2000 years of honing their theology btw

>>17946395
Great so they are gods from below according to Jesus who disobeyed God like he did according to his own words, doesn't change the fact that this is exactly what he called them. But this is beside the point, do you acknowledge it is not a sacrifice? If not, what did he sacrifice

>>17946417
>money
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and greed.

>>17946420
Fuck off, rabbi.

>>17946432
Why can't you answer simple things without insults?

>>17946420
>what did he sacrifice
His will.
But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way

>>17946469
>sacrificed his will
His will was written into the scripture as a prophecy that has to be fulfilled, wtf are you talking about? If your trinitarian deity didn't will it then it wouldn't be a prophecy. It isn't one btw, nobody expected a messiah who would die. The chosen and gentiles alike thought it was nonsensical

He didn't come back to stay though

>>17946516
>has to be fulfilled

What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips.

After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you

>Never, Lord!
>This shall never happen to you!

Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to the one who brought you out of the land of slavery.

>>17946516
>nobody expected
Not the inquisition we expected, but the one we needed.

>>17946796
Yes that's a nice fabrication that was only made up because they had to explain why their messiah was now gone. Show me where in the old testament says the messiah is a godman, he isn't an actual king of a worldly kingdom (Israel) in the world to come and that he just had to die to remove your original sin, etc. Literally every verse you can twist to mean whatever you are implying will not have been understood that way by the Jews

>>17946843
>Show me
>every verse you can twist
Why do you need me to show you, when you can twist it yourself.

>>17946920
I prefer the traditional Abrahamic twisting over the Greek pagan influence

>>17939529
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>>17946931
>I prefer
What is this? A new teaching! and with authority!

>>17947004
No it's the old teaching, the one you polytheists rejected.

>>17947023
I am sorry you feel cut off from me. I am here for you brother. All you have to do is accept me as your brother.

>>17947033
The bible says not to accept idolaters as brethren, even your new testament says it plainly 1 Corinthians 5:11

>>17939625
The descendants of the Edomites are modern Jews.

>>17947498
>Using Jewish bronze age polemics to discredit Jews.
Ha, haha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>17939529
in exchange for eternal happiness? easiest decision of my life

>>17947503
Correction: Iron Age polemics, not bronze age.
The book of Judges and kings is most probably based on the early Iron age. Still, how anyone can read the bible and not see it's blatantly political motivations is beyond me.

>>17947514
>Still, how anyone can read the bible and not see it's blatantly political motivations is beyond me
t. brown skinned "person" who worships an elephant man with 50 arms

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as they say.

>>17939525 (OP)
God once was King in a reign. This happened to show that people are not ready for this. One person complained against Him, pointing a supposed stain in His character. This forced God to renounce as King, because God always teach by example.

Jesus is one with God, but God is greater, as the Bible explains. Jesus can be venerated as an elder brother, but worship is to God.

>>17949059
>Recognizing the book of kings as Davidic propaganda makes you Indian now
Brave. Did you know that only Indians refuse to give me all their money?

>>17939525 (OP)
The word 'sacrifice' and 'passion' must be properly understood.