Thread 17940022

How can you read the New Testament and learn about the life of Jesus without drawing the obvious connection between the Pharisees and the sterile necrotic state of all modern churches and their dogmas? This goes for Evangelical Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, I'm not going to even bother to include High Church Protestantism because it's completely dead now. There is an endless circular insistence on commandments and taboos without getting to the core of why they existed or exist in the first place. They chase reflections rather than the thing itself which is what Jesus radically overturned in the first century.

>>17940022 (OP)
This is why I worship Christ in private

>>17940022 (OP)
this is why yt folx should go back to paganism

>I do not bring the spirit of confusion

>majority of christians lost confused ashamed fearful and guilted

fell for jewish psyops lol

>>17940022 (OP)
One of the few high IQ posts on this board (that wasn't started by me).

>>17940022 (OP)
>sterile necrotic state
>Catholicism
>Orthodoxy
Sterile and necrotic according to whom? You? What do you expect the Church to do when the New Testament itself said degeneracy would accelerate.

>>17940188
Go outside, visit churches, and talk to people outside of image boards.

>>17940191
Why are you blaming the church for the state of humanity? You're working backwards and it's damning your ability to bring people to church.

>>17940198
"The" church is not an organization and the point is not to stand in a certain place on Sundays because of some vague compulsion you feel.

>>17940188
>What do you expect the Church to do when the New Testament itself said degeneracy would accelerate.

degeneracy has always been accelerating so that means nothing lmao

even in the NT Paul was constantly kvetching about some of his churches sinning, orgies, favoring rich people or such things

>>17940230
>OP is referring to all churches degenerating
>anon talks about the overarching church as singular, the spiritual bride, not causing the degeneracy
>"hurrr durr there is no THE church"
>"umm sweetie everyone has always sinned"
Ok cool so do you guys have a single compelling argument as to what the church could do better; because from what I see OP doesnt even know what the catholic/orthodox rites are. The rites arent ceremonial laws they are moral laws designed to bring you closer to God.

List one single limiting rite or doctrine about catholicism/orthodox that personally limits your relationship with God. Name one.

I can give you several differences that the OT law is about such as not healing on a Sabbath.

None of you even hear yourselves.

>>17940302
>List one single limiting rite or doctrine about catholicism/orthodox that personally limits your relationship with God.
NTA. It's not about the practices being limiting or wrong in and of themselves. It's about the arrogance of assuming that God will present himself necessarily if a rite or ritual is done properly. The same with doctrines. There are all kinds of ideas about metaphysics that members are supposed to accept wholesale. Why should God be upset with me if things are evidently different from what is taught? You can say cathodox has a unique status with God but ultimately every sect necessarily thinks itself the only true one. All of them try to put God in a box, and gatekeep access to him.

>>17940412
I get what you’re saying, but that line of thinking can actually be a bit dangerous. If you assume that simply going against the teachings of the Church or disregarding the guidance of the sacraments won’t affect your relationship with God, you risk stretching the goalposts into territory where personal preference becomes the ultimate measure of truth. Catholicism and Orthodoxy don’t see the sacraments, rites, or doctrines as arbitrary rules; they’re meant as pathways to encounter God. Ignoring them isn’t just a neutral choice it can actually make your spiritual life more unstable, because you’re trusting your own judgment over centuries of wisdom about how God interacts with humanity

>>17940417
>you risk stretching the goalposts into territory where personal preference becomes the ultimate measure of truth
Sure that is a risk, especially if one has an inflated ego or sense of self-importance. But what is organized religion but personal preference applied towards a pre-assembled set beliefs and practices?

>>17940022 (OP)
>>17940024
Jesus' father had the cool nickname of "Rex Literatissimus" because he singlehandedly laid the brickwork for Romes intellectual pursuit into the southeastern mediterranean.
He followed up on Caesars own expeditions, did anthropological work, botanical work later acknowledged by Linnaeus, was a central person in the political clash between the Herods, Emesenes and Armenians and was the person that started the real fight on behalf of female scholarship, which he got from his wife and mother-in-law of the Ptolemaics and which Jesus continued on.

>>17940540
>But what is organized religion but personal preference applied towards a pre-assembled set beliefs and practices?
The traditions.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by what we said or what we wrote"

Just because some denominations are more structured, doesn't mean they are more distant from Jesus.

When has a "private relationship with Jesus" ever produced anyone like Francis of Assisi? Or Catherine of Siena? Or John of the Cross? Or Padre Pio?

The Church is the link between us and God. It is through the Church and its Sacraments that the Spirit flows into us, and we can be followers of Christ in the world. A "relationship with Jesus" apart from the Church is historically just fruitless.

>>17942674
Yeah, it might be hard for people who aren't Catholic to understand. But living the sacramental life is the most satisfying thing there is. You have a connection to Christ like you wouldn't believe.

If you want to be closer to Him, you need His Church and its sacraments.

>>17943113
What's funny is that you can go on and on about these extraordinary people. Athanasius the Great. Anthony the Great. Ambrose. Augustine. Aquinas. Bonaventure. Teresa of Avila. Therese of Lisieux. Francis de Sales. John Henry Newman. Maximilian Kolbe.

The Church is stuffed to the bushels with them and the Orthos have their fair share too. But apart from the Sacraments, who has ever done anything like THIS? When was the last time Protestants legitimately sold all their belongings and lived a life of poverty devoted to Christ? When was the last time Protestants ever withdrew from the world to pray like the Carmelites and the Carthusians do?

Protestants like to knock Catholics for not being in accord with Scripture, but Protestants never seem to produce figures that actually follow Scripture to its fullest extent like so many of the saints do. You'd think if the reform had really mattered, there'd be tons of them. But there aren't. The proof is in the pudding.

>>17943113
>>17943130
>believing fairytales

What about St Bernard? He prayed so hard to Mary that her statue came to life and breastfed him!

Wow catholic lore is just swell and not madeup nonsense at all

>>17943138
It's all real, Anon. That's the real secret. The enchanted world you've always dreamed of is THIS world, lying in the dirt beneath your feet. It all actually happened. And most importantly of all, Jesus really did rise from the dead.

>>17943175
Prove it

>>17943190
Why don't you read the Gospels?

>>17943138
If they can believe that some jewish carpente raised from the dead, they can absolutely believe something less fantastic than that

>>17942674
Lies. Thousands of souls have recieved salvation from no name street preachers you will never know about until judgement day where these works will come into light.

Also covid vaccine was mark of beast and your church told people to take it.
>>17943130
Lots of people have sold their possession to live for christ. Dontperish.com sold all their things

>>17940302
>Ok cool so do you guys have a single compelling argument as to what the church could do better
They really need to translate the old text into secular terms like sigmund freud tried to do. Maybe A.I. can help.

Get rid of all the singing, and focus more on good works and clear communication.

>>17943200
>Why don't you read the Gospels?

See that you don’t tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

You will know them by their fruits.

Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Prove it!

Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked

>>17940022 (OP)
its over

>>17943600
Interesting thought but Freud denies the divinity. Have you even looked into prophecies Jesus fulfilled in Matthew 24 from his ministry to the end of the first century?

>>17940022 (OP)
What was rabbi Yeshua doing to a naked little boy in a public garden during the middle of the night?

>>17944923
k hindu

>>17940022 (OP)
If you were such a great, devout Christian (you're not) then you would not forsake your local new testament church and instead would be trying to strengthen it. The point of your post, of course, is to elevate yourself above the masses in the eyes of other losers on 4chan. You are worthless.

>>17942674
Well it has produced a Blake, a Milton, and a Kirkegaard, to list a few off the top of my head. You could even argue that the figures you listed were rooted primarily by a private relationship with Jesus, at best only supplemented by their faith system.

>>17940022 (OP)
Men love to embrace worthless religion with their worthless traditions, because they hate God and do not know Him.

You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commands of men.’”
— Matthew 15:7-9

>>17940024
This is a temptation, due to the abundance of apostate churches, but you should still try to find a church that honours the Word of God.

And let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.
— Hebrews 10:24-25

>>17940188
>covering up mass abuse
>being mouthpiece for authoritarian governments
Pretty fucking necrotic both of them.

>>17940039
Firstly, you should use Scripture to determine whether you do indeed have the Spirit of God, as most deceive themselves.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
— 1 John 4:1

Secondly, you should not deceive yourself into thinking that you love God if you hate His Word.

Oh how I love Your law!
It is my meditation all the day.
— Psalm 119:97

>>17940062
They sacrificed to demons who were not God,
To gods whom they have not known,
New gods who came lately,
Whom your fathers did not dread.
— Deuteronomy 32:17

>>17945486
Have you met god hmm?