Thread 17941481

mine is that it's the US' fault that the japanese empire happened. not entirely, but they bear a lot of the blame for kickstarting its existence.

>>17941481 (OP)
The French Revolution was a right wing victory

>>17941481 (OP)
I don’t know. Some European power would have opened the ports eventually.

nips liked the germs a lot more and the germs are always expansionist

>>17941481 (OP)
op is a nipper

>>17941490
explain

>>17942321
Maybe he means less state and more individual freedom (kinda libertarian) right wing
The bigges winners were the merchants, those who had money anyway

>>17942321
The entire concept of modern day nation states (and as a result nationalism) is owed to the French revolution. There's a world of difference between the far right Christcuck monarchism and the far right ultranationalism, and the latter is what has kept the right wing alive in the modern day.

>>17941481 (OP)
Start taking responsibility for yourself

>>17942325
>Christcuck this
>Christcuck that
The Jacobins should have been thrown in a shallow grave.

The South were the "true Jeffersonians"

>>17942700
that's not a hot take lol, that's a fact

>>17941481 (OP)
Al-Andalus was a continuation of Visigoth rule. They weren't kicked out and intermarried with Arabs.

>>17941481 (OP)
That's not even a hot take, that's just a fact. The Shogunate economy was a boom and bust and plagues had happened before, they probably would have gotten over the cholera and the inflation. All hell broke loss with amity and commerce

>>17942729
Come on, giving samurai miniature trains to ride on was pretty cool

>>17941481 (OP)
How? Britain is the one that trained their sailors and even built their fleet for them.

Mark Anthony is a total loser and his existence is a complete mistake

>>17942325
that's not a hot take, it's just leftist gaslighting. the jewish war was clearly the result of a nationalist rebellion, and diaries of european travellers from centuries before the french revolution bear testament to nationalistic fervor among upper and middle classes. it's the fruit of the same effort that gives us negroes in prehistoric europe.

theory: the magyars conquering the carpathian basin in the 890's were steppe turks, closely related to bulghars, late avars and today's bashkirs. all chronicles call them turks, their preserved "names" are turk words, their equipment and warfare tactics are turk etc. they did call themselves 'magyar', which is the name of a bashkir tribe, but I am not entirely sure this was not just a generic title for the leaders. the hungarian language was already present in the carpathian basin at that time, but it was historically insignificant in the sense that it was always elites of other ethnicities (goths, early avars, late avars - these were likely also relatives - and the permanent gepida presence) who organized a state structure over their heads. the turk invaders called 'magyars' were different in having brought no women with them, and thus in two generations they assimilated to the locals.

>>17941481 (OP)
Things would've gone noticeably better and we'd have been on the moon during the 1600s if somebody had nipped the rise of Rome in the bud.

>>17943124
I somewhat understand this position, considering that the near constant warfare of later Medieval and early Modern Europe facilitated military technology and thus technology in general and China fell behind arguably due to stability, but it's not like those are the only factors in how fast a society develops progress. What brought you to this take, anon?

>>17942321
It ultimately ended up as a Empire ruled by Napoleon. It also disregarded many progressive rights in regards to women rights and even gay rights

The HRE wasn't that bad. It caused to spread wealth and development throughout the whole of Germany rather than in a single concentrated place like in France

>>17941493
USA mediated the peace in Russo-Japanese war, and played apart in the Japanese gains on Treaty of Portsmouth.

>>17943147
Nah, my thesis is as follows
1) The Romans destroyed the existing international research structures in the Hellenistic world and had some genetic issue that locked them out of comprehending anything beyond stacking rocks and Stoicism.
2) The Romans then turned the Greeks, who at least kept the sciences alive and crawling forwards on life support, into Romans. Aka they turned them into violent imbeciles.
3) The Romans then split their realm into a Latin and a Greek-speaking part, with two churches that both claimed supremacy
4) The Latin church, being the lumpen one, had no better way to protect itself against the rich and powerful Greek part than to throttle the transmission of all Greek literature until 1453

So literally all Romes that ever existed were detrimental to human progress. It took us until the late 16th century until we could securely claim that we were finally stopped treading water and started to progress beyond the achievements of the Hellenistic successor kingdoms.

TRVTHNVKE

Rome is the most overrated civilization in human history. Even the worst of 20th century Europe mogs the absolute shit out of it

>>17943438
So you denounce all religion, but also call evolution a lie. How did humans came to be then?

>>17943689
Aliens.

>>17941481 (OP)
Women have never actually been oppressed. Men have always been at the service of harpies and the mens rights movement is a radical revolutionary movement. Feminism was an example of false consciousness and is comparable to the capitalist stage before true communism.

>>17942325
Nations were a thing before that. Napoleon just removed race and religion from them, not right wing.

>>17943851
It's why he specifically wrote "nation states".

>>17943438
Where'd you find this, the Nicólás Fúéntés Reddit?

>>17941481 (OP)
>>17942729
>>17942733
>>17943195

>>17942791
This, the US did very little compared to the UK allying with Japan from 1902 to 1923 and gifting them modern industrial and military technology for two full decades.

>>17944942
It's always the goddamn brits, like a bad cold

>>17942321
its just wuzzist nonsense
/pol/ also claims qin shi huang was white, chingas was white, cyrus as white, the aztecs were white.
they don't like the idea of non whites doing anything, even bad things, on a large scale

>>17944942
My man the country collapsed in a civil war in 1868 and you're telling me the brits allying them 40 years later caused that?

It's verifiable that the shogunate's authority was wrecked by the US treaties primarily. The Brits had a hand (their legation got attacked like 3 times by samurai and they had to move the legation away from the capital and station like 2k marines to stop it) but besides being a target and blowing up Satsuma (which was portrayed as a samurai win anyway) they did very little in the grand scheme of the Bakumatsu.

>>17945395
>The Brits had a hand
The fuck are you on about? The British merchant Glover supplied over 80% of the guns and cannons used by Satsuma and Chōshū for the 1868 civil war. He made the sales in 1865, just two years after the British bombardment of Kagoshima. Satsuma domain had been so impressed by the British that they wanted British made guns and cannon. Glover also helped Itō Hirobumi and the rest of the Chōshū Five visit London in 1863. Those key future leaders of the Meiji government were studying in London. Hirobumi would go on to become the First Prime Minister of Japan. Inoue Monta became the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Yamao Yōzō became the Minister of Public Works. Endō Kinsuke led the Japan Mint. Inoue Masaru became the first Director of Railways in Japan. Why don't you actually learn Japanese history before commenting on it?

>>17941481 (OP)
>it's the US' fault that the japanese empire happened.

The Japanese were imperialists long before Europeans showed up, ask the Koreans.

>>17941481 (OP)
>WHITE POWERRRRRRR

>>17942676
The Jacobins with Robespierre subverted the revolution and put a stop to the process of dechristianization so the Jacobins were an evil for the Revolution and a good for christcucks.

Charles I was the most retarded ruler in the history of western europe

Augustus set Rome up for failure in the long run.

>>17942321

Not him but the French Revolution ultimately collapsed in on itself and the end result was the overthrow of Napoleon and the Bourbons being restored to the throne. France didn't abandon monarchism for good until 1870.

>>17945810
Can you really blame him? His father was James I

>>17946384
it's just infuriating to learn how many chances he had to save himself and his kingdom but he threw them all away because he was such a pig-headed bastard. He practically forced parliament to kill him

>>17946393
Yeah all of the Stuarts were kinda retarded ngl, except for maybe Charles II

>>17941493
how did 19th/20th century non-western monarchs rationalize going full euro larp mode exactly? like "westernizing" by adopting western technology is of course an objectively advantageous thing but what the fuck is the point of starting to put on top hats and dressing like napoleon

>>17942700
Based. Patrick Henry and George Mason didn’t acquiesce to the constitution because they rightly surmised that it was a radically centralizing document at the time that was going to erode liberties and individual sovereignty in the long run. The articles of confederation were much better in the context of the rights of the sovereign “countries” (now known as states) as opposed to the constitution which took us halfway towards centralization (Lincoln completed the job). If the articles could have just had a few minor tweaks, instead of being scrapped altogether in favor of the constitution, we may not this mess of a massive tyrannical debt-ridden federal government today.

>>17946775
It was just what you did in order to be taken seriously by Europeans.

>>17941481 (OP)
Bump

>>17946374
>Augustus set Rome up for failure
the structure of roman society set rome up for failure. in a way, yes augustus set the state up to fail by not breaking the back of the aristocracy but he didn't create the aristocracy to begin with

>>17946374
Even Napoleon could be considered a Monarch of sorts due to crowning himself emperor of France

>>17942324
>Maybe he means less state and more individual freedom (kinda libertarian) right wing
What!? The State after the French Revolution was much stronger than the pitful federalised Ancient Regime that couldn't even properly collect taxes

>>17946775
You wear a suit to be taken seriously. Same thing with the napoleon hat.

>>17941481 (OP)
Most 'great' historical figures were just the lucky ones. History is mostly a messy story of accidents, and stolen credit, told by the winners to make themselves look smart.

>>17943438
All this is lies made up by trannies, Ivan

>>17945639
Sure whatever, Kyle

>>17942894
and yet he fucked your bitch, Julī, what does that say about tu

>>17941481 (OP)
Napoleon, now idolized by right wing contrarians, was completely a product of the Rothschilds and the NWO.
>rises out of the (((French revolution)))
>enemy of and a threat to European aristocracy
>battle of Waterloo results in Rothschild dominating British bond market
>does a bunch of hidden hand portraits

It's a good thing Caesar got assassinated and idolized before he could go to Parthia and get killed like Crassus

>>17948039
His inability to create a rock-solid succession scheme basically doomed the empire. Granted that's proven to be one of the hardest things for a ruler to do.

History might all be completely made up