Thread 17941762

If you're an average white male you have less freedom than before 1865, and you would be silly to defend postmodernity as such an individual unless you benefit from it immensely being part of the moneyed class which is tied to no other characteristic but capital. If you defend postmodernity you must defend capital alone because that is your ideology. That is your cornerstone and nothing else, ultimately.

>you have less freedom
>doesn't state how

>>17941767
Because other people's freedoms have now taken preference over yours and we are treated as "equal" to anyone else.

So you’re a Nazi Communist?

>>17941769
Explain in detail how the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply to you, this should be funny

>>17941772
No I am dispossessed individual whose power has been lowered and taken away and then equalized with any other individual unless they have money. It's sickening and it's not how society should be structured.

>>17941774
These rights aren't guaranteed they can be taken away.

>>17941772
>>17941774
I am little more than cattle if I don't have money, and yet we are all supposedly "equal" and "free".

>>17941772
>>17941774
Imagine actually trying to defend this shitshow and being on 4chan, the supposed contrarian forum

>>17941774
Importing third worlders with lower than 100 IQ averages who forever become a burden on society and cause constant run-away inflation in the US economy which effects people globally, justified by pointing at out history and saying "white people bad"

>>17941762 (OP)
If I was a young adult male in the 1860s I would not participate in the civil war, I would be on horseback in the rocky mountains in southern Colorado & northern new Mexico hunting bear and elk for their skins with the biggest rifle available at the time

>>17941788
>its muh thirdies that are causing inflation
>and not the fact businesses are just raising prices out of greed
>or the government deciding certain items will just be more expensive to bring le jobs back (while doing jack shit to actually help build up said industries)

>>17941790
basically the plot of Jeremiah Johnson, one of the best movies ever made

>>17941791
What happens when you import 50 million people into the US who all need houses, food, healthcare and jobs? What happens in 2-3 generation when their offspring regress to 80 IQ and live on welfare?

>>17941788
The only thing separating everyone really, is just how rich you are, this has nothing to do with any other thing you are born with nowadays. Not even your intelligence, ironically.

>>17941796
The only thing separating people is how well your government copes with everybody being the US's bitch

In the scenario that the US disappears tomorrow, what do you think happens to the the billion spics billion pajeets and billion chinks and billion niggers?

they die

>>17941774
I don't have freedom or speech in any part of my public life.

>>17941799
>Must blame the US and not themselves for this

You would still have thirdies in your country even without US interference

>>17941803
the thirdies in the US would be taken care of because they're in the US and the US establishment loves their little retarded brown children. Maybe that's why they flock here because they instinctively know that if the US ever decided to go sicko mode they would all starve to death like the irish in the 19th century

>>17941800
You’ve been arrested or fined for talking shit?

>>17941794
>What happens when you import 50 million people into the US who all need houses, food, healthcare and jobs?

You get 50 million new workers and hundreds of millions of new jobs to meet their demand

Economy booms

>>17941818
Labor value falls through the floor you mean? and no white people get the jobs?

>>17941794
This is really important so all shitposting aside. This is what made slavery appealing. You have a permanent class that is mobility locked. That means they don't raise the costs you mentioned as much. They also don't immediately seek thier way out of the situation they were placed in (menial labor). Don't get triggered by this analysis because obviously it's leaving out morality and resentment as well as other things. So slavery is gotten rid of but your country just becomes a immigration labor turnstyle where either what you describe happens, they con welfare, or mobilize upward increasingly every generation. How the hell is a country supposed to have a stable National economy when it raises its base cost of living every generation by these policy's, while simultaneously lowering earnings for the largest portion of it's proceeding workforce? How in the hell did anyone think it was sustainable?

>>17941788
You never actually went to college, did you? Your summary of how the economy works reads like the word salad of an rural electrician who learned conspiracy theories on YouTube

>>17941821
*preceeding.

>>17941819
No, idiot. The cost of goods and services go down, benefiting everyone. And new jobs are created to meet the demand of the new workers.

Unless you think the economy crashed when the Baby Boom happened. Lol.

>>17941822
Spoken like a modern college educated elitist sophist.

>>17941827
Yes. I am an elitist. Your ignorance is not a virtue or equally valuable compared to my learning. Now shut up and study.

>>17941824
The baby boom happened because the US was the preeminent economy in the world while europe was in ruins

you guys are economically and historically illiterate, worse than /pol/

>>17941832
Unfortunately you also seem to be a sophist.
When new workers are brought in to an existing economy like the one in the U.S.A. they lower wages while simultaneously raising the cost of living. Most of these undesirable effects are directly impacting things in the area I live. As well as the rest of this Country.

>>17941838
>When new workers are brought in to an existing economy like the one in the U.S.A. they lower wages while simultaneously raising the cost of living.

Objectively wrong

>>17941819
>Labor value falls through the floor
This is because they broke up labor unions. WHITE, MALE labor unions, in the name of exporting manufacturing to third world countries because white labor refused to vote for conservative christian whackadoodles

>>17941762 (OP)
Back then, most white men were poor retards living in absolute squalor. It was only good for the upper class and even then they didn't enjoy anywhere near what poorfags in western nations enjoy.

I mean, have you ever even done any reading about that time period? Like at all?

>>17941832
University nowadays brainwashes its students to accept the status quo, in reality, there's always many perspectives to take from and the perspectives parroted by university is not necessarily the "correct" one. Just the one you're allowed to hear so you don't turn rogue against the society it wants you to support.

>>17941835
You said that more workers would mean an economic crash. The Baby Boom injected millions of workers into the labor force, and what do you know? No crash

>>17941762 (OP)
You don't give a shit about these supposed lost freedoms compared to the improvements to quality of life. If you're part of the middle class you unironically live better than kings and I'm sick of you retards pretending that we are somehow worse off these days because you're not allowed to yell nigger in public, or that acknowledging that life now is considerably better than what our ancestors had is also somehow approval for every single political policy that you don't happen to agree with.

>>17941851
That's the thing though, you can yell nigger in public if you want.

>t. knower

>>17941845
Wrong again. 70% of manufacturing job losses were due to technological advancements, not offshoring.

But that has never mattered to delusional populists who think that they are entitled to a mindless busywork job canning beans all day.

>>17941846
Capital is not the only thing that matters it's the people you live around with, the goal of this capital, how you want to shape this reality, etc. Capital is just a tool for achieving what you want and it should be treated as such, not as this vague "standard of living" you're trying to peddle to me.

>>17941852
If you live in the US then you probably can do that legally, but you can't in the sense that it is incredibly taboo.

>>17941762 (OP)
that's a long way of saying white males need to be racially discriminated against in education and the workplace because we keep getting higher grades and performing better than brown people

your failure is all because of white privilege systemic racist microaggressions, huh, and that means you are entitled to even more special privileges, wow

>>17941844
Keep returning general authorities conclusions in response to my reasoned argument. Anons take notice of the most direct and crude use that the classicly sarcastic use of the word "sophistry" describes. They may not teach this in college anymore.

>>17941847
>more conspiracy theories by a high school dropout

Weird how none of your ideologues in power ever tell their own kids not to go to school

>>17941856
So your problem is that you think the government should FORCE private citizens to be your audience or accept you disrespecting them?

>>17941851
I don't care about "standard of living" unless this capital is a means to ends, my ends preferably and not those that have all the capital in the 1st place trying to shape this reality FOR ME AND OTHER PEOPLE.

>>17941864
No, I don't think that.

>>17941859
It’s not a coincidence that wages are higher in heavily populated metropolitan areas than they are in bumfuck conservative villages of 100 people

>>17941855
>>17941866
Sub 85iq's should be culled.

>>17941866
Then that's your opinion that's probably not shared by many other people.

>>17941853
Every time manufacturing has dipped in the last 40 years it's coincided with conservative lawmakers directing the department of labor to stop prosecuting companies committing labor offenses and actively engaging in union-busting. Reagan actively encouraged this during his years in the presidency as a public decision to try and sway China to blue jeans and mcdonalds. It didn't work

https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-9/forty-years-of-falling-manufacturing-employment.htm

The true path to white male relevancy in the US is a strong regulated market and high union membership, because companies will do anything to fuck over their workers, especially the best paid ones.

>>17941868
Whoa, let's try this again after you've completed your first year of college.

>>17941869
>>17941871
At the end of the day you are cucking yourselves to the status quo, mainly capital and those who possess it, who are by the way not your friends as they have a different plan for this world that is not in conjunction with probably most people on this board

>I don't care about air conditioning, food availability, labor regulations, healthcare, education, dissemination of knowledge, or the freedoms and luxuries afforded by technology
>I want to live in a shack with 50 other people and die in the fucking coal mines at age 14
Move to India

>>17941882
Aren't you arguing that India should move here?

>>17941878
I don't understand why you people are utterly incapable of accepting the idea that a person can appreciate modern living standards while also not being a fan of whatever globohomozogbotcapitaleliteslop you seem to hate so much. I don't want to live in 1820. I don't like immigration. I appreciate having access to penicillin, paid vacations and enough free time and spare money to pursue hobbys. Those are not mutually exclusive positions.

>>17941872
Stop lying.

Between 50% and 70% of changes in US wage structure since the 1980s are due to pay declines in industries experiencing rapid automation.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w28920?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20210622&utm_term=5491570&utm_campaign=money&utm_id=45956630&orgid=309&utm_att1=money

You are a lazy entitled ignorant fool who wants a cushy do-nothing job attainable for someone with a high school education and meth addiction. Because that’s easier than realizing your labor and thus sector isn’t valuable anymore.

>>17941873
Not an argument

Explain to me why heavily populated metropolitan areas have higher median wages compared to the depopulated villages you love so much

I mean obviously their scarce labor should command six figure salaries right?

>>17941888
>I love everything about the economy except what makes the economy function

Median voters need to be shot

>>17941900
The economy of my nation functioned just fine before hundreds of thousands of Somalis and Syrians moved here. Mass immigration of brown people to the west is not the same as moving manufacturing to Asia to exploit cheap labor.

>>17941888
The problem is that there is a power disparity of those who have capital, who thus wield a type of power, which can be used against the masses. I don't desire to have wealthy individuals, including the government, use their wealth against me or other people. This power should be taken away, I want to be, basically, left alone without some power trying to push me or other people in one direction within this reality.

>>17941911
>This power should be taken away, I want to be, basically, left alone without some power trying to push me or other people in one direction within this reality.
Then eject yourself from society and go live in the most remote place possible

>>17941888
It is not enough that I have rights or freedoms there should be more restrictions on those who have power in whatever form but since we live in a world of capital, that is what I'm aiming at.

>>17941913
No, the power should be redistributed.

>>17941920
Then count yourself lucky that you have the freedom to vote, to contact your representatives, to start your own political parties, to lobby, to spread information and awareness online and what not, you have the FREEDOM to try to influence society in the direction you want.
>>17941924
How?

>>17941799
Try harder. Your problems are not our fault.

>>17941925
>Then count yourself lucky that you have the freedom to vote, to contact your representatives, to start your own political parties, to lobby, to spread information and awareness online and what not, you have the FREEDOM to try to influence society in the direction you want.

This is not enough, tho?

>How?

Don't know maybe let's not have a club of people deciding things for us and have a more direct democracy.

>>17941895
Now youre' making up things i didn't even say or imply, getting better. Show me the next level of sophistry now. It It will be educational

>>17941930
>This is not enough, tho?
Why do I get the feeling that nothing short of "I should just get to wave a magic wand around and dramatically restructure all of society without having to put in any effort" won't be enough for you?
>Don't know maybe let's not have a club of people deciding things for us and have a more direct democracy.
What does that look like in a nation like the US? 250,000,000 people (or however many adults eligible to vote there are) e-voting on everything from the budget to what type of chemicals are allowed in paint?

>>17941924
And who decides who has power and how much and how deserved it is? Someone who blames all his problems on wypipo isn't exactly rational or has some sort of overarching ethical justification.

It is a fool's errand unless you are looking at people living in the worst poverty. Then there are other complications like Africans having 8 kids per family. How the fuck are we supposed to solve their poverty? Then there's you, with an obvious chip on your shoulder against white people, and less interested in African subsistence farmers or Indian orphans, more interested in making sure some obese Americans get into a better college.

Your head is too far up your ass to admit that you are not actually good people and you are not actually intelligent or well informed enough to solve these problems. Pic related is you. You are just screeching into the wind, screeching at your neighbors, screeching, crying, stomping your feet, accidentally shitting yourself, throwing a tantrum, you do not represent some utopia or a just cause, you are just demanding more shit for yourself and everything else is hot air.

Like the boy who cried wolf, eventually people will stop giving you the benefit of the doubt. The Amish do fine with zero social welfare, they build high trust communities and have very low poverty. If the black community cannot achieve low crime rate and high academic achievement 60 years after civil rights then it is about time to start blaming yourself instead of white people for all your problems.

>>17941925
Either install a dictator who agrees with me or I want direct democracy, I don't want some middleman "representative", it doesn't work especially with a nation of 333,000,000 and counting.

>>17941861
NTA but im about to major in world history and I agree with him

>>17941905
They're the same thing actually

>>17941944
>Either install a dictator who agrees with me
Boring cop out answer because this is just a power fantasy that will never happen
>or I want direct democracy
Tell us how that works
>>17941954
How?

>>17941937
Yes

>>17941941
???

>>17941940
I never mentioned white women

>>17941911
I think a large part of this problem is the government not functioning as intended (or maybe just hoped for) in relation to business. Most of the problem is government effectively propping up business beyond it's ideal authority. It's more complex than that. But you look at businesses as they are and perhaps miss what they could be if all businesses had the same effective "rights" as some do. Which technically they do. But in practice?

>>17941849
>More workers that the US doesn't need imported to lower wages
Vs
>Native born children enjoying low inflation and high wages
These are not the same

>>17941864
NTA but yes. Tie them to chairs and pace around them mumbling the N word

>>17941956
It works like uh, Switzerland, heh.

>>17941957
you said

>No, the power should be redistributed.

I am asking

>who decides who has power and how much and how deserved it is

>>17941984
>who decides who has power
Native born citizens who had ancestors prior to 1895
>and how much
Limited power for the government and those who have wealth so they don't abuse citizens
>how deserved it is
Not much, basically there should be some dividing line between the governor and the governed but the governor (ie those who have power) should not have that much power and the governed should be able to parry this at any cost even by drastic measures if need be

>>17941984
When I say "governor" I mean those who have immense capital power basically this includes the government, big businesses, and private individuals.. they shouldn't be able to use their capital in certain ways..

I don't think the Constitution as it is written, or "rule of law" is enough to parry the control of those who are stronger ie the capitalists. It was written and catered for them anyway since they were the elites born into opulence who had time to think about a government, mainly, that would benefit them and not anyone else.