Thread 17945421

God = x
The Father = a
The Son = b
The Holy Spirit = c

x = a
x = b
x = c

a ≠ b
b ≠ c
c ≠ a

My teacher in fucking middle school literally explained this and kids could understand it

Atheists who say the Trinity is polytheism at this point are literally just trolling so stop letting them rustle your jimmies

>>17945421 (OP)
That literally breaks the axioms of an equivalence relation.

Well, the religion was initially polytheistic

And God describe as "one divine nature, three persons which act independently" is a very poor way of saying polytheism

You can see it in Genesis 3 when the Snake said "You'll become like gods knowing good and evil", it's not referring to a mockery version of Yahweh, is referring as Yahweh. That's because things as Omnipotence are later additions

Genesis 1 and 2 are a Ctrl C Ctrl V of the Sumerian's Creation Story

Confucius say: "The fool understands easily what the wise man does not. This is because the fool is too foolish to understand what it is about something that makes it difficult to understand."

1. how did god forsake himself?

2. if the spirit inhabits everybody who had faith does it mean it has experienced anal sex at some point?

3. rabbi yeshua claims god is superior to him so there is obviously some inequality

Why american conservatives claim to be christian while posting stuff like this? "Yeah girl, show those titties and your butt to show what christianity is all about, yea murica"
In my country, romania, conservatives would burn that woman in the stake or something like that

>>17945438
In general, polytheistic religions, in their pantheons have a "Greater God" (Zeus, Mars, Odin, you got the idea)

The Trinity thing is most probably a copy of the Egyptians Trinity (Osiris, Horus, and Isis, and their enemy Seth), this might be an inspiration though

>>17945447
Aren’t Romanian priests notoriously corrupt?

>>17945447
It was not even that long time ago when some libertarian chick made a sexy tradwife calendar, and ignited a xitter flamewar between social conservative republicans and libertarian republicans.
Also a reminder that a lot of porn stars and OF thots start voting republican once they get rich, Amouranth is openly a chuddette about gays and fiscal matters these days while still making coomer content from straight guys.

>>17945450
Maybe in bucharest, in the village i live i havent heard of corruption among priests

>>17945447
they are material hylic noahide slaves larping that they're gods people (demiurge)

the persons of the trinity aren’t different values like a b and c, because they would have to have to be different beings were unequal attributes and one having more value while other has less. The persons are all the same value who are coequal and have the same one divine consciousness and being.

>>17945565
>being this Unitarian

>>17945584
In what way Unitarian

>>17945436
Uh fellas…is the supernatural not following the natural laws again? It’s not supposed to being do that

>>17945421 (OP)
Human = x
Peter = a
James = b
John = c

x = a
x = b
x = c

a ≠ b
b ≠ c
c ≠ a

Oh okay so you are now a polytheist by admission? All you said here is that all the persons are human and they are not each other. Gregory of Nyssa attempted to solve this by saying there is only one human being. Are you that delusional too?
>>17945598
>muh special pleading
If you can say God is one, you are counting him according to natural laws too.

>>17945598
Then you accept god can make square circles

>>17945421 (OP)
If
×=a
x=b
x=c


Then
x=a; ×=c => c=a but

a ≠ b
b ≠ c
c ≠ a

You just proved the trinity is illogical

>>17945613
>inb4 christard posts square inside a circle to prove you wrong
They believe an immortal being that cannot lie or get contained decieves people and then dies after being contained by the womb of underage Mary and his very own flesh. This is exactly what they believe in.

>>17945421 (OP)
She's not that hot.
But at least she doesn't do any plastic surgeries, so that's a plus.

>>17945421 (OP)
there's no god, jesus didn't exist and the bible is forged though.

>>17945623
The view that god can only do the logically possible is widely held; saying that god is illogical also precludes philbros to try use their "arguments"

Why would this piss off a liberal? It's not liberals who have screaming meltdowns because a skirt is an inch too short.

>>17945628
You'd eat a mile of her turds if it let you get a lick of her ass.

>>17945641
Yes but many christians believe God is "beyond logic", this is precisely how they get out of the contradictory things in their theology because it involves the least amount of thinking. Only those with a higher IQ will believe what you are saying.

>>17945647
Sexualization of women = based and trad because it makes feminists upset
Sexualization men and covering up women = progressive degeneracy because feminists like it

>>17945662
>feminists who live and breathe sexual liberation and prostitution love symbols of the patriarchy like hijabs and burqas
If you want to be a trad christian you have to be a feminist, there's no way out of that.

>>17945680
Horseshoe theory is real here, the Western Christian prudes and Western radical feminist are natural allies with almost entirely aligning goals.

>>17945647
>Why would this piss off a liberal? It's not liberals who have screaming meltdowns because a skirt is an inch too short.
Americans can’t be normal about sex. There’s no point in trying to make sense of it at this point. They’ve been like this since their Puritan ancestors outlawed blowjobs and start chopping each other’s cocks up.

No country is as weird about sex as Americans. Their like a country comprised of middle schoolers who just found the penis page in their biology textbook. In fact, Americans use to censor genitals in anatomy textbooks because they were that deranged.

Other nations have enjoy sex in private and don’t need to be reminded in public that sex exists every 40 seconds. Americans are the opposite. Sexed up media, sex everywhere, but they go home to a dead bedroom where their dick hasn’t been sucked in 12 years.

>>17945628
>doesn't do any plastic surgeries
Compare her childhood pictures against her current self. She sure as hell must've had a lot of plastic surgeries done at some point in her life.

>>17945421 (OP)
If x=a
and x=b
and x=c
then
a=b=c

>>17945421 (OP)
x = 0

don't trust sydney sweeney, it is a viral marketing campaign

God at this point is like when you're playing with your younger cousin, shoot him with a tons of imaginary bullets just for him to say "I dodge them all" or "you missed all of them"

A quick walk through the history of religious ideas, history of how the Bible was written, and a little bit good ol' knowledge about mythology of ancient civilizations is what make one an atheist

>>17946307
That doesn't follow. You can leave Christianity without becoming an atheist. Even if every religion on earth was false that wouldn't be sufficient reason to reject God

>>17946321
I see the Bible as the thing it is, a very old mythology book

Just by Burden of Proof you can discard all religions

If there's a god or a power or a something, we don't know, even if it's a fact that existence exist, to affirm know something of how it was created it's just straight up ignorance

>Even if every religion in Earth were false, that wouldn't be sufficient reason to reject god
Which god? Which of all them?

>>17945421 (OP)

a ∈ x
b ∈ x
c ∈ x

>>17946362
>the bible is old mythology therefore every idea of God ever is false
You said that those things make someone an atheist. Meaning that their position initially was not atheistic. Since you were talking about Christianity then it makes sense to talk about other similar conceptions of God first. You are confusing the state you are now where you need to be convinced of any idea of God to one where you were already Christian and you just see the bible as unreliable
>to affirm know something of how it was created it's just straight up ignorance
Why? How have you ruled out the possibility of that deity revealing information about himself to some of us? Also classical theists do not believe God to be created.

>>17946380
It's a fairy tale which explains things of we didn't have knowledge about, try to explain how certain group had success in their military campaign, or history of a guy having a weird dream, calling it prophecy and writing it in weirdest way possible so anything can fulfill it

I never said I was a Christian, since I never was

>>17945447
in your country "conservatives" work tirelessly to protect an american black muslim rapist who pimps romanian girls at rates unseen since Ottoman times

>>17946404
That's your opinion but I am not talking about that. If you were never a Christian what does scripture being unreliable prove about God?
>"many of the prophetic writings have been lost; and this one may see from the history of the Chronicles. For being negligent, and continually falling into ungodliness, some they suffered to perish, others they themselves burnt up and cut to pieces. The latter fact Jeremiah relates; Jeremiah 36:23 the former, he who composed the fourth book of Kings, saying, that after a long time the book of Deuteronomy was hardly found, buried somewhere and lost." - https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/200109.htm
Early Christians also believed similar things about their own books relation to historical events and yet remained Christian for one reason or another. Many to this day hold beliefs like this about the bible but still believe in God. If you believed all that about the vedas instead do you also think it is a logical jump to assume that all conceptions of God are now invalid too?

>>17945421 (OP)
That doesn't explain shit since it blatantly violates the transitive property, you fucking moron. You're trying to claim that 2 ≠ 2.

>>17946437
They didn't have the knowledge we have now, and we don't have the knowledge the future generations will have

Myths born from superstition, lack of knowledge, and as a characters of stories to explain one thing or more

Not to much centuries ago, a rainbow was a promise of Yahweh and not an atmosphere phenomenon that happens when light is refracted in water particles acting as prisms

Stories to explain why there're languages
Why snakes are the only reptiles without legs and why we fear them
Why we can found molluscs' fossils in mountains

No because they're though it was real that means it's real, and no because today there're people who think it's real that means it's real. This also works backwards, I know, but then, where's the proof?

>>17946507
You made a lot of claims there, let's stick to the rainbow example. Why can't Yahweh's promise be an atmosphere phenomenon? But this is again not what I am even asking you about. I know there are many reasons to reject the bible but stories that can be taken as allegories/parables (as many Christians do) are not really it.
>No because they're though it was real that means it's real, and no because today there're people who think it's real that means it's real.
People thinking a certain way or another about something doesn't make it real. We have major disagreements even on some of our most fundamental theories don't you know? Anyway I still don't understand why you seeing the bible as bs has any relevance to your atheism except to maybe rejecting Judeochristianity specifically and even then it has major problems

>>17945598
>Try to explain trinity using equivalence relation
>Use equivalence relation wrong
>"Uhm I wasn't talking about equivalence relation anyways"

>>17946027
>this is your brain on atheism

>>17946369
That’s polytheism, three different gods in the set gods

>>17945697
Not at all, you took a two seconds look at a historical fact of the origins of american feminism and think that tells you what it is or what its become. Feminists from the past drew on Christian ideas to advocate for the rights of woman and now discard Christianity because it stands in the way of rights they want to attain. But even thats misleading, because most feminists are not liberals, their aim is not just the full negative rights offered to citizens of a universal state but the belief in an actual good for society that is entailed by woman's liberation. The one thing leftists and Christians definitely do have in common is that they do believe in a good that guides their ideological framework.

>>17945440
sage

>>17946908
Develop a model G with the nonempty set of hypostases denoted H={F,S,H} and let there be a relation on this set P={(S,F),(H,F),(H,S)} where P means "proceeds".

The relation is both euclidean and transitive, but it is not reflexive (and is therefore not serial) neither is it symmetric, so it is not an equivalence relation.

>>17946908
Develop a model G with the nonempty set of hypostases denoted R={F,S,H} and let there be a relation on this set P={(S,F),(H,F),(H,S)} where P means "proceeds".

The relation is both euclidean and transitive, but it is not reflexive (and is therefore not serial) neither is it symmetric, so it is not an equivalence relation.

>>17946369
Nice heresy, they are each identified as fully God. It's an is of identity

Heh…what’s the matter libtards? Getting triggered by a hot Christian woman’s boobies?
Democrats are the real misogynists

>>17947056
Brother, the way this woman is dressing is a sin.
Women should be in veils, not showing their boons and butt in a lusty way
I will pray for you and for this woman, dont worry

>>17947088
You are a Muslim, not a Christian

>>17947102
Im christian.
Roman catholic to be specific.
This woman has fallen in sin, as i expected a protestant would do.
Dont worry, we are slowly converting your country to catholicism.
I will pray for you as i said

Did someone say Muslim? Boy howdy, let me tell you - what you boys is doing in Gaza is absolute disrespectful. If my legs still worked the way they used to I’d be down there helping Israel stop you guys out.

1+1+1=1

This is what Christians will say. Its kinda silly, then they get all pissy when you try to logically explain it, claiming heresy and modalism and shit like that. At least the Eastern Orthodox bros admit it is a mystery that cannot be understood logically. This is a load of crap but better than a bad explanation.

>>17945628
>But at least she doesn't do any plastic surgeries,
Yet

>>17947026

Matthew 27:46

>Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.
>like one of us
>US
there is more than one god in christianity, everything else is cope

>>17948045
There is one Lord God, one subtance. God has a triune nature, meaning there are three Persons who are co-equal in glory and majesty, and each Person of the Trinity can be said to be fully God. For instance in Colossians 2:9, it says, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." This is referring to the fact that Jesus Christ is God the Son, and He is fully God in all His completeness, wisdom, glory and perfectness.

The fact there are three persons means that God can say, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" (Genesis 1:26). It's a reference to the unique, incomparable triune nature of God, and the fact that there are three Persons. This is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are mentioned several times together in the Holy Bible in different capacities. In John 10:30 and 1 John 5:7 the Bible specifically says that they are one, in the sense that each person of the Trinity is really of the same singular substance.

>itt people too dumb to understand simple sets and venn diagrams

that's why you majored humanitarians and not science

>>17945447
I get the sentiment, but at the same time a sexy woman is a sexy woman. A lot of people it seems in your neck of the woods seem to get hung up on formalities and yeah I can understand why it would be a problem but its really just the inverse of dyke feminism if you go too far off the deep end. I used to not really believe in horseshoe theory but its starting to make sense now.

>>17948144
Science can't guarantee any conditions on how one ought to act, unless you're a braindead utilitarian then I guess you better pull your calculator at potlucks.

>>17945447
Americans follow covert judaism.

>>17945421 (OP)


NICE TRY, BUT NOT QUITE FORMALLY CORRECT; A VARIABLE CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE VALUE IN A SINGLE FORMULATION.

A BETTER ALGEBRAIC FORMULATION OF THE HOLY TRINITY WOULD BE:

{P, F, S} ≡ D^3


GLOSSARY:

«P»: «PATER».

«F»: «FILIVS».

«S»: «SPIRITVS».

«D»: «DEVS».


EXPLICATION:

THE SET CONSISTING OF «PATER», «FILIVS», «SPIRITVS», IS IDENTICAL WITH THE OPERATION OF «DEVS» RAISED TO THE THIRD POWER.

NO, IT IS NOT MODALISM; MULTIPLICATION ENTAILS INCREMENT IN QUANTITY OF ENTITIES, NOT MODIFICATION OF QUALITY.

THESE THREE ENTITIES REMAIN AS ONE, BECAUSE THEY CONSTITUTE A SET THAT RESULTS FROM «DEVS» RAISED TO THE THIRD POWER; THE FACT THAT THEY CONSTITUTE A SET PRECLUDES MUTUAL EQUIVALENCE BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM.

THIS SET IS NOT EQUIVALENT WITH «DEVS», BECAUSE THE SET RESULTS FROM «DEVS» RAISED TO THE THIRD POWER, THEREFORE, NOT EQUIVALENT, BUT IDENTICAL: «DEVS» CUBED PRODUCES A SET OF THREE CONSTANTS, CONSISTING OF «PATER», «FILIVS», «SPIRITVS»

>>17948407
Oh yes, Hans please enlighten us on how many Americans you personally know

>>17945447
In romania they would start a fight over who gets to rape her first, then they would all knock each other out simultaneously, the town cripple would stumble in drunk and rape her himself, falling asleep halfway through

>>17948194
>Science can't guarantee any conditions on how one ought to act

The golden rule has been figured out 2000 years ago. And you seriously needed 3+ years to study it?

>>17945598
>>Explaining the Trinity using basic mathematics
>explanation doesn't follow the rules of basic mathematics
>>THAT'S IRRELEVANT GOD ISN'T BOUND BY RULES

>>17948434
>MULTIPLICATION ENTAILS INCREMENT IN QUANTITY OF ENTITIES
So 3 Gods?
>THESE THREE ENTITIES REMAIN AS ONE
So there was no increment in the quantity of entities?
>A SET THAT RESULTS FROM «DEVS» RAISED TO THE THIRD POWER
What does this mean? How do you raise God to the third power?
>THIS SET IS NOT EQUIVALENT WITH «DEVS»
No because the set is just a collection of persons, that each individually are fully the same being.

>>17945447
modern american "conservatism" has no objective other than "owning da libs"

>>17945421 (OP)
ok but how is a women sinning supposed to piss us off?

oooh next ill piss those libs off by having an abortion

>>17950460
You know what would really piss the libs off? If she started making out with another women, god I would be so pissed off I would have to start jacking off just to let off some steam.

>>17945447
read song of songs/Solomon and I promise it will make sense

>>17945657
>because it involves the least amount of thinking.
This is the entire argument.
Christians(and any religious, before some retard starts whining about how we don't mention buddhists or muslims) like not having to think about it. They want the warm comfort of not thinking about things very much, and feeling victimized and martyred when someone pushes them on their bullshit.

>>17950502
>nobody actually stop chirstains from doing shit just not forcing people to do their shit from old retarded laws

>proceeds to make shit movies of atheist genociding them
>then precedes to take away peoples actual rights
>gets mad people dont like them
being this ignorant should be a sin thats soo bad you just go right to hell

>>17945609
if you're gonna have this much trouble with basic mathematical notation you should really stick to theology

>>17950589
>>17945609
wait nvm you were demonstrating the absurdity of his position not giving your own position. forgive me desu some of the positions people unironically have on this board are beyond the point of reductio ad absurdum

>>17950460
The current political zeitgeist is that straight white males jerking off to conventionally attractive white women is inherently anti-liberal and only feminists and leftists oppose it.

>>17950626
never fucking heard that before, whites cant jerk to asains because they fetishist their race
and blacks are worried about race mixing whipping them off the face of the earth
and everything after that will just accuse you of being a fetishist demieaning their race

you just arnt allowed to say you only like white women but you cant say you prefer any one else, you have to say you like everything equally

For Americans even religion is just a cheap pose

Father = Brahma (Creation)
Son = Vishnu (Sustainment)
Holy Spirit = Shiva (Transformation)

Three aspects or modes of the same unified Godhead. Not three separate modes. All paths lead to the same destination, lads.

>>17945447
>In my country, romania
Didn't know they had internet in your village, Mugur.