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Anonymous No.17978309 >>17978312 >>17978314 >>17978317 >>17979313 >>17979485 >>17979545 >>17979771 >>17981595 >>17981857
As a far right deracinated white suburban American (no I'm not Catholic, have no Hispanic/nonwhite blood, and hate groypers) I *do* think that libtards are closer to the spirit of our country's original founders. Freedom and liberty are these consistent ideals you keep seeing pop up, while focusing on other things seems kind of arbitrary with this train of thought. However, at the same time, I literally do not care because I think that we should create something entirely new instead.
Anonymous No.17978312 >>17978316
>>17978309 (OP)
>no I'm not Catholic, have no Hispanic/nonwhite blood, and hate groypers
What about Poles, Irish and Shitalians
Anonymous No.17978314
>>17978309 (OP)
Also it's not like the founders were paralyzed to follow tradition as it was in England during Henry VIII's reign so who gives a shit. We can move past things, but I see the argument libtards make.
Anonymous No.17978316
>>17978312
There's a bit of Polish blood, no for the other ones, and probably a tiny amount of Irish mixed in with the British (which isn't too much). It's surprisingly German considering how it's been centuries.
Anonymous No.17978317 >>17978319 >>17979778
>>17978309 (OP)
Libtards have no principles. They are completely whimsical and either support or oppose policies depending on how it makes them feel. No one is willing to make sacrifices for a higher ideal.
Anonymous No.17978319 >>17978361 >>17978615 >>17978615 >>17979768 >>17981656
>>17978317
There's a consistent emphasis on freedom and liberty, at least among many of them. This is much harder to rationalize from the far right point of view. Again, the thing with me is that I think this obsession with freedom and liberty is a moot point that I do not care much for myself.
Anonymous No.17978361 >>17978687 >>17980460
>>17978319
Leftists are motivated by a mix of envy, narcissism, laziness and empathy. They do not give a flying fuck about freedom and liberty, they just want to virtue signal, steal things from people they are envious of and reduce the total amount of suffering in the world. The founders wanted a society led by conservative and paternalistic white males who were free to do as they please
Anonymous No.17978615 >>17980460
>>17978319
>I *do* think that libtards are closer to the spirit of our country's original founders.
The main difference as I see it between the classical liberalism historically espoused by Americans and the modern "libtard" is that the latter is only an imitation of the former.

The modern "libtard" takes their orders from nightly television broadcasts, and they regularly fall victim to basic rhetorical fallacies meant to convince them to give up their liberties, such as the Second Amendment. This is done at the same time as pretending that they are representing "liberal" values. In this sense, the "libtard" mimics classical liberalism and often takes the name "liberal," while in practice being subverted and turned into opponents that actually contribute to undermine freedoms of themselves and everyone else. Such people uniformly fall for very simple fallacies that are presented to them couched in liberal-sounding rhetoric, and they do so in a very stupid and gullible herdlike manner by those who write the television scripts that the libtards all watch.

The "libtards" would be precisely the people who started hyperventilating if they saw anyone not following the orders repeated by talking heads on television that everyone had to wear a mask during COVID.

>>17978319
>There's a consistent emphasis on freedom and liberty, at least among many of them.
Only superficially, in words. In practice they support the opposite of classical liberalism and have a herd mentality, taking their orders primarily from television such as the mainstream press and late night comedy shows, which is functionally their unifying principle.

>This is much harder to rationalize from the far right point of view.
I wouldn't consider the founders "far right" though. That would better fit the monarchists of Europe at the time. I don't think the founders were extremists for either side. Far left and far right both think violence is needed to enforce their order, while classical liberals do not.
Anonymous No.17978621
>we value democracy and the voice of the people
>the people like who they vote for? Ew, that's populism
Anonymous No.17978687
>>17978361
>conservative
Conservative by the standards of our times, but not by the standards of their times. Back in their times, being conservative meant being a royalist who was in favor of teaching children Greek and Latin and promoting high-yield agriculture as the primary means to developing the national economy, not modern languages and high-tech development.
Do you think George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would've wanted to see semiconductor fabs on the Virginian Piedmont?
Anonymous No.17979313
>>17978309 (OP)
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRRRR
Anonymous No.17979455
>17979313
go back
Anonymous No.17979485
>>17978309 (OP)
>I *do* think that libtards are closer to the spirit of our country's original founders.
The problem is that these can only be held when shared responsibilities/consequences are small. If you have high concentration of populations, you have high concentration of inter-personal consequences (if I do "x" and it impacts you, you'd want to have a rule for how people can do "x"). This essentially means that libertarian principles can't really work in high-population areas because your freedom will necessarily impede on others', which in turn means that a consensus or middle ground has to be reached, and that implies a state to ensure said-consensus.
Libertarian was the spirit of the founders, but only because america was a frontier nation.
Anonymous No.17979545
>>17978309 (OP)
True but liberal democracy can only exist with the prerequisites that women and non-whites can't vote or it implodes
Anonymous No.17979713 >>17979730
Most of what you would call an american liberal is an unapologetic militant marxist and I'm pretty sure if the founders ever met communists they would have gotten medieval on them
Anonymous No.17979730 >>17979735
>>17979713
>liberalism is marxism
Get a new line.
Anonymous No.17979735 >>17979752
>>17979730
start naming off elements of what you think liberalism is and I will tell you how you've just been spun a web of lies by communists
Anonymous No.17979752 >>17979758 >>17979762 >>17981661
>>17979735
The right to own private property. The right to defend that property. The right to inherit that property. The right to engage in commerce without draconian government laws set by retarded authoritarian parties. The right to freely practice one's religion and freedom of association and assembly. Consent of the governed. Freedom to speak without fear of persecution or imprisonment.
Anonymous No.17979758 >>17979766
>>17979752
*for white people
Anonymous No.17979762 >>17979766
>>17979752
* for rich white people who agree with the corporate agenda
Anonymous No.17979766 >>17979770
>>17979758
>>17979762
so is it liberalism communism or is it rich white peopleism? this is a strange 180 you've turned here
Anonymous No.17979768 >>17979773
>>17978319
>There's a consistent emphasis on freedom and liberty
libtard when whites want to be free from the burden of dealing with non whites:
>no that's literally hitler
libtards when anyone wants to own a gun to protect their family from non whites:
>no that's literally hitler
etc...

the so called desire for freedom and liberty of the libtard is their desire to mooch off of whites while oppressing whites in white civilizations
Anonymous No.17979770
>>17979766
Liberalism was redefined by communists in the 30's in the US to mean essentially crony statism (communism)
Anonymous No.17979771
>>17978309 (OP)
If everybody is free nobody is, you need winners and losers, slaves and masters, hope this helps.
Anonymous No.17979773 >>17979776
>>17979768
>whiteswhiteswhitesnonwhiteswhitesnonwhites
This is why right wingers IRL distance themselves from you retards as much as they can. You exist to make leftists look appealing.
Anonymous No.17979776
>>17979773
how could leftists ever look appealing unless you're mentally retarded
Anonymous No.17979778 >>17979780 >>17979782
>>17978317
>libtards are all emotions, unlike me
>I LOVE Israel
>I FEAR niggers
>I HATE retirement
Anonymous No.17979780
>>17979778
israel is gay and retarded
niggs are useless eaters
I am retired
ftfy
Anonymous No.17979782
>>17979778
How could anybody fear a race like blacks?
Anonymous No.17980460 >>17981861
>>17978361
>>17978615
holy strawman epstein
Anonymous No.17981595
>>17978309 (OP)
sieg heil brother
Anonymous No.17981656
>>17978319
>lets replace the founding fathers with *checks notes* nazis, because, um, just do it ok.
Thanks for the input poltroon.
Anonymous No.17981661 >>17981772
>>17979752
I like how none of the retards who replied to you actually addressed any of the elements of liberalism like you've named. They just gave up.
Anonymous No.17981772
>>17981661
Because we agree with him. What op is calling "libtard" is actually Marxism packaged in a liberal wrapping paper. They take moralistic incoherent positions because they can't actually prove anything without exposing their Marxist philosophy so they just screech and posture
Anonymous No.17981830
what is the point of this thread?
Anonymous No.17981857
>>17978309 (OP)
the founders were right wing conservatives
Anonymous No.17981861
>>17980460
Anonymous No.17981872
so it's a bot thread?