Thread 17981324

Historically, is a multicultural society better than a homogeneous one?
I think Japan is living proof that societies function effectively only when they are homogeneous.

Multiculturalism is an effect of liberalism and prosperity. In general multiculturalism is good to begin with as it attracts the best and brightest then turns to shit when they allow mass immigration of low IQ. It happened to the Romans, the immigrants were slaves, but gradually these were manumitted by soiboi cucks and Roman incels took slave wives and Rome became a lot browner and low IQ.

>>17981324 (OP)
I think Singapore is living proof that societies function effectively only when they are heterogenous

Yes vassal states work great so long as the multicultural empire they answer to covers their behinds

Multiculturalism isn't the problem, it's lack of borders.
As >>17981334 says, multiculturalism can work in some cases, but only if it's managed and controlled so you get only the best.

>>17981324 (OP)
Multiculturalism is too vague a term.
You could argue that Croatia is multicultural because of its stark regional differences, but nobody calls it such. I think you mean multiracialism.

>>17981324 (OP)
>multicultural society

This concept didn't exist until the 19th century, you retard

Either you adopted the culture of the kingdom where you lived, or you were a barbarian

>>17981334
Twitter niggers jerking off to the study they don't understand but it has le funny colors chart? Color me shocked

how does japan function effectively? by just looking at the sexlessness rates alone you can see its a failed society

>>17981438
Nobody has sex retard, there's no way to attain physical contact with a female in the West in 2025

>>17981438
>how does japan function effectively
They have a stable government, high trust society, and high quality of life.
Historically speaking despite some extreme tendencies towards authoritarianism they've also consistently had very high quality of life and trust compared to other contemporary societies.

>>17981324 (OP)
>Historically, is a multicultural society better than a homogeneous one?
They have advantages and disadvantages, but generally as a rule of thumb they are often more difficult to govern and have more inequality when there isn't either a strong and impartial centralized authority or dynamic federal system. Probably the best example of a dynamic, federal multiethnic state would be the Persians, who pretty much pioneered the concept of a federated empire and state structure. But then you have more conventional and recent examples like Russian Empire/USSR, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottomans that are the former, which usually balkanize and fall apart violently whenever said authority grows corrupt, weak, or falls due to war or revolution.

>>17981336
>Singapore is living proof that societies function effectively only when they are heterogenous
Singapore is a highly authoritarian city-state ruled by an impartial, centralized authority with a commerce-based economy. That's effective on a city-level, but for a national level you most often end up with cold, relatively incompetent, corrupt authoritarian regimes like post-Soviet Russia or a lot of the Arab dictators (Sisi in Egypt or the Gulf Arabs being good contemproary examples).

>>17981578
That high quality of Japanese life is built upon 1324 trillion yen of national debt that is 234.9% of their GDP.

>>17981578
>high trust society
In the government? In some aspects yeah, many others people realized the state just basically screwed over young people to prop up boomers and the stagflation is cleaning up whatever remains. Socially, people are pretty atomized and the salaries are pushing people to spend more time working or just having not much money to splurge.

>>17981336
Singapore even has a forced race-mixing law that requires people to live next door to people of other races lol.

>>17981364
>Either you adopted the culture of the kingdom where you lived, or you were a barbarian
False on both accounts. The idea everyone assimilated into one big pool or that regional poltics weren't prevalent back the is pure revisionism.

>>17981611
Money is fake

>>17981438
What does that have to do with multiculturalism

multiculturalism works as long as cultures are mutualistic and not parasitic, but, for some reason, cultures born in the middle east and its surroundings are almost always parasitic

>>17981611
>built upon 1324 trillion yen of national debt that is 234.9% of their GDP.
There is not a single major economy in the world that isn't heavily indebted as much as Japan is an exceptional case. When it comes to issues like income inequality, drug use, and crime, Japan is well ahead of its peers in the West despite having more serious social mobility and mental health concerns (and even then the West is catching up fast in those regards too sadly).
>>17981625
>many others people realized the state just basically screwed over young people to prop up boomers and the stagflation is cleaning up whatever remains.
That's pretty much every developed country post-Cold War. Japan's different however in that they still have the same demographic profile they did given they did not accept the immigration pill.

It's just easier to direct shit if everyone is the same. They all generally need and want the same stuff so it's easy to make that stuff happen. If everyone wants and needs different shit then it's hard to manage. Ethnicity is not the only way you can make it complicated to run a nation. Even if America was 100% white we'd still have issues getting everyone on the same page. The needs of the rural and urban populations are different so getting both groups on the same page is hard.

>>17981644
>Japan's different however in that they still have the same demographic profile
The stagflation has been going on for decades. The population fertility decline too, the age pyramid now is much more geezer heavy than it was at the end of the 80s to now.

>>17981666
Holy shit nobody cares, literally every country has low fertility except Israel and a few African shitholes. WHY are people so obsessed with Japan's low birthrate in particular?

>>17981666
>the age pyramid
Unholy digits.
Anyway, I was referring to ethnicity, not age. The aging is a serious problem but unlike SK or China it has somewhat stabilized around 1.2-1.3 for the past decade, which while still being shit is relatively managable especially with how overpopulated Japan is. Japan unlike SK does not have a conscription-based military dependent on masses of young men, so it has that going for it too. Overall, I think they'll be fine long-term unlike SK (not to open up that retarded can of worms, it's just that they have a bigger population with a more managed decline and an ocean seperating them from China/NK/Russia with a fantastic navy/air force and robust U.S security guarantees).

>>17981578
>high trust society
Young girls are regularly sexually assaulted by older nip men.

>>17981679
Because it kinda shows a problem that no one wants to acknowledge or knows how to deal with. When things get too good people don't want to reproduce or participate in society. Eventually those issues lead to things not being good but people still behave as if they are because it's all they know and that just makes the issues worse. Meanwhile total shitholes have a bunch of kids and improve over time, though eventually they will run into the same problem. It shows the cyclical nature of our civilazation. At some point all this will fall apart. I'm not saying things will be apocalyptic or whatever, just that our comfy lives will eventually come to and end and then the cycle will start again.

>>17981679
>literally every country has low fertility
There's a major different between being a high 3 down to the replenishment rate of 2.1 and being below that dumbass.

>>17981688
>it has somewhat stabilized around 1.2-1.3 for the past decade, which while still being shit is relatively managable especially with how overpopulated Japan is
A 1.3-1.2 with that many old people living thatblong is extremely bad. Don't downplay it.

>>17981694
>Young girls are regularly sexually assaulted by older nip men.
Ok? As opposed to the U.S and the West where this (and far worse) also regularly happens? Not saying that particular aspect isn't bad but it's ridiculous to compare Japanese subways negatively to the majority of their Western counterparts.

>>17981701
Also it's easier to talk about Japan and East Asia because it's more "distant". Bring up .ore over examples and chuds/libs pull up some of the most crazed and racist/entitled shit imaginable.

>>17981701
>There's a major different between being a high 3 down to the replenishment rate of 2.1 and being below that dumbass.
Nobody cares you fucking faggot, Japan has the second highest birthrate in East Asia after DPRK, it's not some apocalyptic depopulated Children of Men dystopia, go suck Elon Musk's elongated cock while he screeches about depopulation

>>17981705
You brought up the high trust aspect. Multiple people called that out and corrected that point. That is literally all that happened, don't trail /int/ slop shit in here.

>>17981701
>Don't downplay it.
I'm not, it's just that Japan's issues in that regard are no longer exceptional even in that region.

>>17981710
>it's not some apocalyptic depopulated Children of Men dystopia
It's undergoing the same things Italy is undergoing bro

>>17981711
>You brought up the high trust aspect
I'm speaking comparatively. A few girls getting groped on the subway now and then by pervy oldfags is not the same as the rampant violence and criminal activity taking place daily on American and European public transport.

>>17981705
>it's high trust!
>okay it isn't high trust, but....
I already know this entire conversation is going to be a cycle of this.

>>17981718
>A few girls getting groped on the subway now and then by pervy oldfags
Lmao downplaying sexual assault this badly.

>>17981724
So is there no such thing as a high trust society outside of le bad totalitarian regimes by your definition?

>>17981725
>downplaying sexual assault
There's actual rape and murder that takes place on our transport systems here in the U.S daily. If anyone's "downplaying sexual assault" it's you.

>>17981728
Turns out misusing the term "high trust" makes you look like a dullard.

>>17981734
I think you're the one misusing "high trust" here by arguing it doesn't exist. If Japan of all places is not a "high trust" society despite not being a perfect utopia, then pretty much no country is "high trust".

Japan is high trust though, it's just pervy because men are pervy and there's no getting around that. Even in feminist Scandinavian countries women complain about pervy men. You can't interact with a woman without being rapey unless you have top 10% social skills

You're forgetting about Al-Andalus. Muslims, Christians, and Jews coexisted, producing flourishing science, philosophy, and art.

>>17981336
I dont think you have any idea about who lives in singapore or how its run.

>>17981324 (OP)
>fake posters with a negrophilia obsession
you will hardly ever hear actual Japanese "right wingers" mention blacks they are more worried about the Chinese and gooks

>>17982726
>mention blacks
A lot more of them are lately because of the Africa hometown scheme. And some of them mention Blacks in relation to U.S army rapes in Okinawa too, but not as much as other groups like Jeets and Chinks/Koreans for sure.
They also weirdly hate Kurds for some reason. Are there a lot of big Turkophiles in Japan?