Thread 18055452

Were the Nazis anti or pro-Christian?
All the historical sources contradict each other

>>18055452 (OP)
Hitler went to church once in his time as fuhrer.
It pretty obvious that nazis were at best indiferent to christianity , however religion was a good pr Boost same with using socialism in the name, it looks good
Like I cant think of any Christian value the nazis pushed hard

>>18055462
Funny enough the time he did go to church was for a memorial service for piłsudski, funny considering what he would do 4 years later

>>18055452 (OP)
>sent priests to concentration camps
>replaced Bibles in churches with copies of Mein Kampf

>>18055452 (OP)
this is not a nazi event ho
it's Hindenburg's funeral

>>18055452 (OP)
Hitler was born and raised Catholic. Though by adulthood, he seems relatively indifferent to religion; I suspect Nietzschean ideals had entirely replaced his faith by then, but he knew you couldn't openly profess to be atheist or Nietzschean and still have the religious right embrace you.

Throughout his reign he would still profess to be a Catholic. Though behind the scenes he would lament several aspects of Christianity, it's glorification of pacifism, weakness, and it's sheer *Jewishness*.

Hitler would praise Islam as a "warrior's religion" and lamented the fact that it would make a far better primer-of-faith for German national socialism, but it wasn't the religion of his culture, so he didn't have that option.

Guys like Himmler went a different route with it. He would claim that Christianity was real, but that the Jews had subverted the message; he called this "Irminism" it was basically a re-imagining of Christianity where Christ was some Germanic dude.... don't ask me how the fuck he made that work, it's insanity. But Himmler had a lot of half-baked pseudo-historian ideas.

>>18055452 (OP)
>>18055462
Nazi'ism was the homo-fascist esoteric socialism that arose as an opposition to the industrialist marxism.
Gay submariners and mascara-wearing loremasters was as central to the Nazis as it is to the current Vance-Trump judeochristian warmachine.

>>18055452 (OP)
Nazis were just another bunch of godless atheists.

>>18055452 (OP)
>posted it again award
kill yourself already

>>18055452 (OP)
'Dead Commander, enter into Valhalla now!' - Adolf Hitler

Speech at Hindenburg’s funeral in Tannenberg Monument, August 7, 1934.

>>18055452 (OP)
That cross was erected during Weimar btw.

>>18055572
Holy cringe.

>>18055452 (OP)
>All the historical sources contradict each other

No, historical sources tell a straightforward story. It's the christian cope referencing quotes of HItler during his time of coming into power:
>Hitler appealed to christians only to win a popular vote
>Eventually Kirchenkampf happened

Hitler understood that the collective of people you are a part of by blood is the only divinity worth worshiping and dedicating your life to. The shared psychology manifests the collective expression of that divinity — it is your collective Art. The well-being of that collective is your moral guide.

>>18055466
Defend his country from Polish raids?

>>18056161
Describe these Polish raids?

>>18056166
Attacks on radio towers and rails. Also the mistreatment of German peoples and historical grievances caused by the p*les.

>>18056183
Evidence for these attacks?

>>18055452 (OP)
whatever was more convienent at the time

>>18055467
Most priests sent to camps were Polish rather than German

>>18056189
And?

>>18055452 (OP)
It was like a Christian fundamentalism revival, reasserting that the definition of Israel is limited to whom it originally included. That put them at odds with heretical interpretations of the faith, but only one intetpretation can provide salvation.

>>18056202
>WE WIR HEBREWS UND SCHEISSE!!!!!!

>>18056191
I'm sure you can understand my point

A little of both. Officially, the guys at the top were anti-Christian, but these guys were also zealous weirdos with limited reach, and most members of the party knew the idea of restoring some kind of Germanic paganism to be stupid and unrealistic. Most Nazis were "pro-Christian" in the sense that the Catholic/Protestant churches were an important conservative ally in the fight against communism, liberalism, and Judaism, but they weren't pro-Christian like other fascists movements in Spain and Croatia were.

So fundamentally anti-Christian, professed to be neutral/supportive of Christianity, practically allied with (conservative) Christianity (until common enemies were defeated.) Similar to how a certain political movement in the US claimed to be Christian but was also into white nationalism and would only let Jesus into the country "legally," and worshiped a racist, rapist pedophile like he was their new god because he planned to stick it to minorities; they're Christian, but also not really since their fundamental view of the world is fear and fear of losing their place on the racial hierarchy and they're willing to worship a degenerate who promises to keep them there.

>>18056203
European whites who trace their ancestry directly from gods have an irrefutable claim to being called by the Lord of all Spirit to form the body of the God of gods.

That is after all how they were incorporated into the salvation of such peoples.

>>18056222
>222
Trips of truth
>>18056223
Suck a dick schlomo

>>18056225
Did you receive your share of communion form jebus?

>>18055452 (OP)
To put it simply, they were anti-Christian.
The more complicated answer is National Socialism came out of 19th century German philosophical ideas, which often analyzed Christianity through the lens that it was a false religion which nevertheless held some kind of platonic power to its symbolism. Hitler & Co. didn't believe Christianity could simply be gotten rid of through legislation. So instead they tried to coopt the symbolism of Christianity for their cause

>>18055452 (OP)
>First book Hitler ever wrote is called "Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin"
>Was Hitler a Christian???

At this point I feel like "Christian Nazis" must be jews trying to insult Hitler using the most esoteric means imaginable since I have no idea why else anyone would adopt such a contradictory position.

>>18056225
You're the one arguing that the ancestors of White people were named Schlomo and sucked on eight day old baby penis.

>>18056240
Hitler has some kind of marcionite view of Jesus. He thought that he was aryan because galileans were aryan according to Hitler. But I think he saw him as a wise man and not God or a prophet.
He wrote anti-christian stuff in Mein Kampf, his second book and the table talks. Before someone claims that the table talks were badly translated, I say to that I can read and understand german, I've read parts of it in german and there were many anti-christian passages in the german original of the table talks.

>>18056245
Not at all. Refer to the picture again >>18056202 for further details.

>>18056240
They are confounded idiots who only picked a group to associate with because it was the only one apparent to them, because any better group was persecuted out of society. And because they lack the internal honesty to admit it they suffering from that gambler's fallacy: "I've invested a lot of my life into playing this role, I can't change now".

>>18056252
>But I think he saw him as a wise man and not God or a prophet.
He did refer both in public and in private always to him as christ or in some way as God. He mostly hated Paul though for his stuff about Jews and non-Jews being equal in Christ in Romans and Galatians. The issue with table talks is not only translation either. But also Bormann directly writing from memory or messing with what others wrote (which some of the note takers said they hadn't heard themselves). And Bormann was notably one of the most anti-Christian people in the inner circle so that kind of messes with how trustworthy it is.

>>18055452 (OP)
Regarding the quotes referenced by christcucks.

>>18056202
Absolutely not. Post a single book or movie published by the NSDAP that is explicitly pro-christianity. I can give you dozens that are explicitly against it for the very simple reason that anti-semites are anti-semitic.
>>18056218
>guys at the top
>limited reach
>>18056240
Hitler didn't write that book.
>>18056252
>Marcionite
AFAIK only the "Moses to Lenin" book puts Marcionism and Hitler together. In MK, he laments the arrival of christianity, not the old testament.
>Second Book
Almost certainly gigafake. Out of curiosity, what anti-christian passages have you read in it?

>>18056319
>that is explicitly pro-christianity
Why should such a thing exist when they did not believe that definitions of God's people were at the time anywhere correctly promulgated by so called church authorities?

I think they wanted to throw it all-out but save only a kernel of the core truth from which to reconstituted a new faith all together divested of association with the prior builds.

>>18056312
>NSDAP gets started by Ludendorf and Eckhart as essentially an anti Christian project
>The inner circle is entirely made up of rabid anti Christians
"Nah bro Bohrman made it all up no way Hitler hated Christianity."
>>18056252
Hitler being a Marcionite would fit, but did he ever explicitly refer to himself as such? Although if you reject the Old Testament and Paul you're basically free styling with very little substance to anchor you in.

>>18056319
Eckhart wrote it but it's presented as a discussion between him and Hitler so it probably represents Hitler's views pretty well.

>>18056327
>not even one source
vidrel is from Ewige Jude. Go watch it instead of making shit up.
>>18056331
That's not really how that works, no.

>>18056338
>making shit up
Had the church been promulgating the correct definition of God's people then the Nazis would not have needed to try taking the salvation of their people into their own hands. But since the church wasn't, and they were being destroyed, the Nazis stepped in to fill that need.

That is really the only correct way to understand what happened.

>>18056329
>NSDAP gets started by Ludendorf and Eckhart as essentially an anti Christian project
The DAP was originally founded in 1903, the German version of it was inspired by that, and just in no way as an "anti-Christian project". While Eckhart was Marcionist, he still believed in Jesus and was known to be quite religious.
>The inner circle is entirely made up of rabid anti Christians
A few were, most just didn't care much. Maybe if you read a book sometimes you'd know Bormann was specifically know for his extreme atheism, push against Christianity and willingness to manipulate Hitlers words for his own gain.

>>18056358
>actually Hitler thought that the Germans were the real jews and wanted Germany to larp as jews that's why he was so anti-jewish see?
>no I don't have a single source, why do you ask?

>>18056364
>Tries to ignore Ludendorf and refuses to mention the Fatherland Party
Your lies by omission have no power here.

>>18056365
>>18056222
>European whites who trace their ancestry directly from gods have an irrefutable claim to being called by the Lord of all Spirit to form the body of the God of gods.
>That is after all how they were incorporated into the salvation of such peoples.

Jews alone never were the whole tree >>18056202

>>18056364
We're talking about a good chunk of the absolute top brass though, not just one guy. Go look at the positions held by Rosenberg, Darre and Himmler for example.

>>18056365
this pic gives such uncanny evil vibes, I don't know what kind of demon was reponsible for nazism but I'm glad that God's might smited him down

>>18056369
Hitler would rightfully have put you in a camp. You would have worn this star, if not just the one for basic anti-social loonies.

>>18056380
>star
*triangle
>>18056379
And I'm glad Jupiter destroyed your temple.

>>18056380
Lol, enjoy your cope.

>>18056383
go back to your fiery pit, creature

>>18056358
>AH! IF ONLY THE CHURCH USED A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF THE WORD "JEW" THEN THE TENETS OF CHRISTIANITY WHICH HITLER EXPLICITLY WANTED TO BE ERADICATED WOULD HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED BY HIM!

>>18056389
Reminder that when a Christian uses words like 'demon' or 'wicked', or in this case 'creature' they just mean anyone who's trying to stop priests from raping children.

>>18055481
"We will have to deal with Christianity in an even stronger way than before. We must deal with this Christianity, this greatest plague that could have befallen us in history, which has made us weak in every conflict. If our generation does not do so, I believe it will drag on for a long time. We must deal with it internally. Today, on the day of Heydrich's funeral, I deliberately expressed in my speech my deepest inner conviction of a belief in God, a belief in fate, in the Ancient One, as I called him – that is the old Germanic word: Wralda. We will have to find new standards for all things in our people, the standards of the macrocosm and the microcosm, the starry sky above us and the world within us, the world we see under the microscope. The essence of these megalomaniacs, especially the Christians who talk about humans ruling the earth, must one day fall away and be scaled back to the right proportions. Humans are nothing special. They are just one part of this earth. When a stronger storm comes, they can do nothing about it. "
- Himmler (at a ceremony for Heydrichs after the latters assassination)

>>18056368
Which was far less important. The German DAP was directly named and most of its ideology copied from the Austrian DAP. Ludendorff had nothing to do with the founding. even the Alldeutsche verband was simply a copy of Schönerer's Pan-German movement in Austria, from which the Austrian DAP took over in many regions and main nationalist party. I didn't mention him since he's not that important for the founding.

>>18056374
True but in many cases those views were relatively private. Himmler for example hated Christianity, but most of the SS was still Christian. Rosenberg disliked it, and while the myth of the 20th century was popular, Hitler still dismissed it and said he hadn't read it. Fighting Christianity just never occurred at large (besides against the Catholic Church of course, but that was because of their institution more so then religion)

>>18056409
>>18055481
>>18055452 (OP)
Ideologically, national socialism and christianity do not mix. Christianity is a religion based on salvation for the powerless, preaching peace and submission on this world and a focus on the afterlife. In this is also breaks down barriers of class and ethnicity.
National socialism preaches strength, because the goal is to survive the struggle of the races. The strength comes with a hardness towards the weak and the "sinner" (in this case all enemies of the nazi vision, foreign and domestic). It focuses on changing this world instead of suffering it. And it is obviously not fond of breaking down racial barriers.
That being said, politically Catholicism was at least organized in a way that the Nazis could make a deal with the Pope, while Protestants were more difficult to deal with when priest objected to the new order. But they had to pick out single priests, because while the Nazis were happy to push neo paganism, the vast majority of the German people were Christians.
And as a further aspect during the rise of the Nazis the churches were supporting the conservatives and monarchists rather than Hitler.

>>18056391
>THE WORD "JEW
Weak strawman
Come back when you can debate this without lying.

>>18056412
>in many cases those views were relatively private.
Not at all. The Leithefte and other NSDAP publications were publically circulated material, printed in newspapers and distributed all across the German sphere of influence. The works of authors like Holzner and Eggers were actively distributed. The extremely anti-christian polemic "God and Folk" was published BY the NSDAP, and was eventually withdrawn from circulation due to the kvetching masses, not due to NSDAP censors reading it and finding it unacceptable.
>most of the SS was still Christian.
Even if true, it is irrelevant to the beliefs of the top brass.
>Hitler still dismissed it
He certainly did not ban it, and Rosenberg was Reichsleiter the full twelve years in power. Meanwhile, Hitler put christian apologists in camps and banned their publications.

>>18056445
> were relatively private
True, I should've worded it as being kept to privately advocating. As they were open about it, but it was never made into policy.
>Even if true, it is irrelevant to the beliefs of the top brass.
Not really, since it shows that while they disliked it, it wasn't actively suppressed, which makes it questionable how long those ideas would've stuck around over time.
> He certainly did not ban it,
That doesn't mean too much though. They only banned things if they went against official policy. If the official policy was ambivalent, they just wouldn't do much in general. The Christian apologists in camps were also the ones going against the regime. Preaches and priest were also present in the armies and many were advocating for the regime, including many non-Marcionists. That was really their only criterion.

>>18055452 (OP)
Considering he put Jehovah’s Witnesses into camps

anti-Christian

You might not agree with witnesses but they’re not a threat against society unless you’re just seeking to be worshipped yourself
Regular Christian faiths were a threat to their order since most Christians place God above government
This pissed Hitler off since he wanted to be a god himself

This is why we now have “Christian Identity” or whatever the Nazi approved version of Christianity was / is
They rewrote the beliefs to fit their agenda

As for the Catholic Church
Sorry Catholic bros
This is one of those moments where your church fucked up hard and supported the devil in plain sight

Now squeal for me you catholics and nazis, or accept that you’re in the wrong here if you love the basic message of Christianity

>>18056456
>Considering he put Jehovah’s Witnesses into camps
>anti-Christian
But they are not even Christian.

>>18056455
>privately advocating.
Publicating and circulating newspapers is not privately advocating.
>it wasn't actively suppressed
Mein Kampf laments the arrival of christianity, the Hitler Youth activities were placed during church hours and they were taught explicitly anti-christian songs, the NSDAP published countless anti-christian polemics and the camps had special sections and triangles just for christians. Just because they didn't go full sperg and burn all the churches down (which clearly would just have galvanized the christians against the NSDAP) doesn't mean that there wasn't an active ongoing suppression.
Come to think of it, this was much same way that there is extreme suppression of White identitarianism across the West even if it is in a legal grey zone in most places. Going too hard would cause a strong reaction, so they do it bit by bit.

>>18056456
>This is why we now have “Christian Identity” or whatever the Nazi approved version of Christianity was / is
You couldn't be more wrong. Christian identity is a result of british israelism.

>>18056470
>Publicating
*publishing
Oops. ESL moment kek

>>18056462
They’re trying their best
Just like every other Christian religion which isn’t attempting to rewrite the bible for their own personal gain

>>18056473
What was the nazi version called?
I mist be getting the names mixed up

My original point stands
Cope harder

>>18056496
"Positive Christianity" is mentioned in the 25 point party program from 1920, but aside from the private efforts of a mr. Fabricius (who got camp'd), nobody cared to define it and it was clearly left abandoned. There is no such thing as "Positive Christian" dogma or church or anything. It's just a sentence in a political program from before Hitler became head of the NSDAP.
>My original point stands
>Cope harder
Relax. I'm not addressing your original point, just your specific error.

>>18056521
/pol/ disagrees

>>18056553
>JIDF and the spambots disagree
And?

>>18056556
Today is tomorrow’s history
What I’m getting at here is that it (racist pro-nataoc “Christianity”), regardless of the name, exists

And its disgusting

>>18056563
>racist pro-nataoc “Christianity”), regardless of the name, exists
And I'm telling you it doesn't. >>18056521
> There is no such thing as "Positive Christian" dogma or church or anything. It's just a sentence in a political program from before Hitler became head of the NSDAP.

>>18056521
This is about the extent of it. If it were a big deal, the party heads would have espoused it daily and nightly, but there's not enough direct references to it, I agree.

>>18056556
It's certainly a strange appeal to authority lol
>>18056563
You can just say you hate white people.

>>18056567
go find people who call themselves Christians and support racism on top of Hitlerian ideology

They’re not Christians
But I assure you
They exist

>>18056572
Doublethink isn't an ideology.

>>18056584
Idiots do it all the time my good /his/bro

>>18055452 (OP)
the nazis contradicted themselves a lot

>>18056611
they really didn't

>>18055452 (OP)
Hitler wished Germans were Muslim unironically.

>>18056591
I know. But unlike what you're implying and this guy >>18056611 claims, the NS brass wasn't a bunch of self-contradictory idiots.
>>18056617
Wrong. The Table Talks has him saying that he'd have preferred islam over christianity.
Hitler wished Germans were simply Germans.

>>18056393
remember that your first 9 quadrillion years of untold suffering won't even constitute for a beginning

>>18056628
>The Table Talks
I was about to tell this as a joke but you're serious. Table Talks and Zweites Buch are forgeries.

>>18056631
Note my deliberate choice of phrasing.

>>18056628
>nazis brass wasn't a bunch of self-contradictory idiots
they were tho, nazis was mostly about larping

>>18055452 (OP)
Former Waffen-SS General who in 1981 predicted what the kikes will do to Europe.

>>18056628
>The Table Talks has him saying that he'd have preferred islam over christianity.
Yeah, because the Table Talks were forged by a Swiss far-right Islamaboo who projected his own love of Islam onto Hitler.

>>18056649
We have the original German documents and the Monologe im Führerhauptquartier edition by Werner Jochmann, and they are a good reflection of Hitler's beliefs being paraphrased by secretaries from monologues he gave to the Nazi elite. The Genoud edition being poorly translated isn't relevant.

>>18056641
he didn't say that tho

>>18056635
uh huh
>>18056641
>mourning the ancients
A pretty schizo website fyi
>>18056649
I'm not arguing about whether they are forgeries or not. I'm explaining what the book contains to correct the anon who said Hitler would have wanted a muslim Germany.

Hitler's plan was to co-opt, control, and suppress churches, at least until after the war.

>>18055452 (OP)
the nazis wanted to replace christianity among germans with some cringe neopagan larp shit after they won. they were more than willing to pay lip service to the church to get them there however

>>18056202
>>18056222
>>18056225
>ESLshitter is still shilling his dead forum

>>18056649
He was out to make a quick buck. He didn't give a shit about honesty or anything else.

>>18056858
>christovagina
your jew cia honeypot agents say the trinity is fake news and so therefore they and you among them are homosexual

>>18055452 (OP)
Both

>>18056202
Kys turkroach shitskin retard.

>>18057545
The one true God is the unification of Spirit in Christ which does the will of the Father. You jews are idolators, worshiping your personal devil and making excuses for breaking the laws given to you that were intended to ensure none would have a righteous reason to destroy you.

Jews should all be baptised to free them of the devil, held beneath the water until they recognize the resurrection and submit to the body of Christ or die so they can not interfere with salvation.

>>18055452 (OP)
Much of Germany was deeply Christian, much of Europe was at the time as well. There were certain members of the upper echelons of the German Reich that got into ariosophy and other occultic schools, but it was heavily overstated by pop-history in the years following the war. Of the "pagan" symbols that immediately come to mind when you think of national socialism, many had been repurposed as Christian symbols for nigh on a 1000 years by the 20th century, we only view them in a strange light now because of how deep a hold this war has on their narrative.

>>18055452 (OP)
Officially speaking the NSDAP was neutral in matters of religion
Unofficially? The leadership was all pagan

>>18057983
>>18057991
>There were certain members of the upper echelons of the German Reich that got into ariosophy and other occultic schools, but it was heavily overstated by pop-history in the years following the war.
While not literally "pagan", the upper party as a whole was still far from being piousuly Christian, simply judging by what they were saying and publishing when in power. We've already had threads like this one. I remember people posting excerpts from their schoolbook that was very anti-Christian. Also, the official "Christmas" publications from their women's orpganization that had zero mention of Christ and instead appeared to be celebrating the winter solstice.

The only high-ranking Nazi who was Christian that I can think of was Erich Koch, the governor of Ukraine.

>>18056456
>Sorry Catholic bros
Hitler despised Catholicism.

>>18055452 (OP)
Indifferent as long as your Church did not interfere with state affairs. This is the general answer for most things and National Socialism.
Social policies of the NSDAP (the party and not just one dude's [usually but not exclusively Himmler] vanity project) were generally pretty milquetoast.
They actually banned some of the more radical Nordic Race literature in the 30s because it came into conflict with national unity. The image we have of the third reich is largely mythology (even by people who ostensibly support them). I like to differentiate the two by calling the real ones 'NSDAP' while they become 'Nazis' in the post-war.

>>18058221
I hope that in thirty years some one will finnally be able to put out a historeographic masterpiece about the treatment of the third reich during the century after the war.
You could, imo, convincingly argue Hitler, his inner circle, the NSDAP, etc. are only tenously related to the 'nazi' caricatures they inspired. The latter took on lives of their own.

>>18057983
>deeply Christian
Post-WW1 Europe was not deeply christian. That's absurd. The churches were already having trouble keeping butts in the seats the moment attendance was no longer mandated by law.
Nietzsche is already talking about christianity no longer being dominant among Europeans in the previous century.
Voltaire is already going around to the ruling elites of Europe exposing christianity as a jew fraud in the century before that.
Europe did not have the same christian revival as America did. Europe had romanticism and nationalism whilst America had its yahwism.

>>18057983
>>18058371
It is however worth noting though that among the primary NSDAP voting block, middle class protestants Christianity was still nominally popular. The outright atheists were more drawn to the SDP and KPD.

>>18058566
>nominally popular
The key word being "nominally". Large parts of "christians" in Europe when polled don't even believe in (or know about) completely basic tenets of christianity and are essentially just loosely deists. The label "christian" for many is simply just an identity that means "not a gay shitlib atheist materialist and not a brown muslim".
>atheists
I never suggested that non-christian romanticists and nationalists were atheists. Nietzsche and Voltaire certainly weren't either.
People need to get the false "christian vs atheist" dichotomy out of their heads; it's right up there with "left vs right" and "democrat vs republican".

>>18057784
>Jews should all be baptised to free them of the devil, held beneath the water until they recognize the resurrection and submit to the body of Christ or die so they can not interfere with salvation.

That really was the norm up until the church went retarded and gay.

>>18058722
>Meanwhile, in reality

>>18058822
Thanks buddy, your pic there demonstrates that until the church went gay and retarded it was really like I said.

>>18055481
>Hitler would praise Islam as a "warrior's religion" and lamented the fact that it would make a far better primer-of-faith for German national socialism
>but it wasn't the religion of his culture
About that...

>>18058827
It was gay and retarded long before the 12th century's Sicut Judaeis: the Codex Theodosianus makes all ancestral religions illegal under penalty of death except for jews.
It goes back even further: the genitally mutilated pharisaic rabbi mohel jew who wrote most of the books of the new testament says that the jews are special and that goyim aren't allowed to be arrogant towards them.

>>18058845
Don't forget genitally mutilated mohel Saul including a passage on how all goyim need to give all of their money to the jews or otherwise yahweh will get angry at them.

>>18058852
And they were pleased to do it!

>>18058852
>>18058866
Paul was saying not to treat jews poorly who had converted to christianity, stupid jew. If a jew rejects christ they're owed nothing but a good baptism until they realize their mistake.

>>18058949
>I haven't read the bible
That's okay, it's a shit jew book full of shit jew ideas anyway.

>>18058959
The root is God, not retarded jews, retard.

They were anti but had to accept Christian identity because the nation they tried to larp as owed itself to Christianity in the first place. It's a big source of cognitive dissonance among nazis.

>>18058963
"Those branches" are non-messianic jews. They grow organically on the roots. You, as a second-class christian (goy), have been unnaturally grafted in. You're a little tranny branch, so you better be nice to the natural branches of the tree, even those who have been temporarily cut off for not believing in their own messiah.
Read the whole passage.
>>18059030
Never happened.

>>18059057
Dumb jew, God is the wellspring of all that is of God upon the earth. God is the root, not retarded jews. Please be less retarded, if you even can.

>>18059060
I've never said jews are the root you illiterate mongoloid. The jews are explicitly the natural branches. The messianic goyim are explicitly the unnatural branches.
>God is the wellspring of all that is of God
No wonder you can't read.

>>18059102
>I've never said
Stfu jew tard, you said so here >>18058959

>>18058949
>Not giving me all of your money (ALL OF IT DON'T TRY TO HIDE ANY YOU STUPID GOY REMEMBER ACTS 5) is persecution oyyyy veeeyyyyy
Lmao

>>18059190
>all of your money
Doesn't say that.

>>18059182
>extreme literacy issues
American public school victim detected.
>>18059201
Actually, "withholding a part" was a mortal sin, so yeah. Give shlome your wallet and your shoes, posthaste and with a smile on your face.

>>18059240
Christians are under no obligation to give non Christians anything, jew tard.

>>18059389
Never said otherwise. Shlome is a christian jew just like Shaul and Shimeon and all the others, so hand over your nikes to him, and be happy to do it. Chop chop.
Don't be arrogant towards the branches btw.

>>18059399
charity between christians in christ is expected, each according to their means and needs insomuch as it helps in the salvation of the body of Christ but for no other purpose.

Giving jews whatever the fuck they want is not christianity, retard jew tard.

>>18059557
Uh oh, I'm going to have to report your anti-semitism to the great rabbi in the sky unless Shlomo gets those sneakers right meow!

>>18059566
>>18058949
>Paul was saying not to treat jews poorly who had converted to christianity, stupid jew. If a jew rejects christ they're owed nothing but a good baptism until they realize their mistake.

>>18056426
>In this is also breaks down barriers of class and ethnicity.
Creating new barriers that divides the lower classes and the nation is actually worse.

>>18055452 (OP)
pro-christian or in better word the german christian were pro-nazi.

>>18059899
>Gott Mit Uns
Predates the NSDAP. Try again.

>>18055452 (OP)
they were pagans

>>18058828
At last it makes sense, the long game...

>>18055452 (OP)
Regardless of anything they obviously had to cater to a deeply Christian population. Idiots seem to forget that they were doing politics. Some higher ups were exploring other ideas but i'm not sure they had much impact on the movement. The average soldier was probably Christian.

>>18059918
>the NSDAP can't change a belt buckle

>>18060927
They clearly did. They added a swastika. But they were in no position to go toe to toe with the Wehrmacht, which was not particularly supportive of Hitler. Go look up where the assassination attempts on Hitler came from.

>>18060944
>go toe to tow with the Wehrmacht
>over words on a belt buckle

>>18060917
>The Roman legionaries were worshipping Mithras, so the 4th century Roman state wasn't christian
The average soldier soldier of a given nation is of no consequence when identifying the beliefs of the founders of a worldview kek

>>18055452 (OP)
>Pro Christian culture and heritage
>Anti Christian ethics and its humanist universalism

Like most things they took what they liked from it for propagandistic reasons and rejected the stuff that limited their authority

>>18055452 (OP)
The Nazis were pro-Christian, viewing themselves as completing the Reformation. Hitler saw Christ as an Aryan warrior fighting Judaism, and his own movement as finishing that holy war, creating a militant, positive Christianity wholly subservient to the Nazi state, purged of all Jewish origins.

>>18060945
Yes. Insitutions don't tend to like outsiders coming in and changing their culture.
Regardless, the motto predates the NSDAP, isn't related to the NSDAP, isn't worn by the NSDAP and is therefore not a proof of the NSDAP's pro-christian stance.
>>18060978
Post a single pro-christian text published by the NSDAP between 1933 and 1945.

>>18060978
Richard Carrier is a liar

>>18055452 (OP)
it largely sought to manipulate christians

>>18059569
Where does it say that these jews had converted to Christianity?

>>18060978
I'm not convinced anyone actually believed in positive christianity, but even so positive christianity is even less christian than Islam is, since they atleast claim to be a continuation of the ancient Israelites.

>>18061005
>totally change every other part of the uniform and make them swear a personal oath to Hitler himself
>I sleep
>changing the words on a belt buckle
>Real shit?!