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How did japan have a show with openly lgbt characters on TV in the late 1990s? In america, broadcasters used to ban gay content because otherwise christian nationalists would commit domestic terrorism. How did it fly in japan, which has been more socially conservative than america?
Anonymous No.18058945 [Report] >>18059061 >>18059766 >>18063500 >>18068636
East Asia has a far more sensible approach to gay stuff than the Abrahamic world. Gayness is not a mortal sin or a key part of someone’s identity, but just a fetish. Not worth persecuting but not worth celebrating either.
Anonymous No.18058946 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
The percentage of US Americans in Japan was comparatively small and they were largely kept in ghettos on islands away from the majority of the population.

It's the only way.
Anonymous No.18058952 [Report] >>18058967
>>18058910 (OP)
Social conservatism is relative. Homosexuality is traditional in Japan.
Anonymous No.18058953 [Report] >>18060921
>>18058910 (OP)
gay=/=lgbt
Anonymous No.18058967 [Report] >>18058969 >>18058977
>>18058952
Homosexuality literally was high treason and punishable by death.

In specific cases.
Anonymous No.18058968 [Report] >>18058979
Homophobia is purely a Jewish thing, Westerners and Muslims worship Jews, so they copied their morals too (or lack thereof).
Anonymous No.18058969 [Report] >>18059006
>>18058967
it's quite simple really, the ancient civilizations of culture didn't consider boy/man to be homosexual. Everything else was
Anonymous No.18058974 [Report] >>18059766
>>18058910 (OP)
because Japan being more socially conservative is a massive meme that retards told themselves to justify watching a show with anime boobies despite it going against their supposed values they gained after watching liberals btfod youtube clips
Anonymous No.18058977 [Report]
>>18058967
>Source: I made it up
Anonymous No.18058979 [Report]
>>18058968
This
Anonymous No.18058982 [Report] >>18058986
homosex is the only thing that can defeat the jew. They've tried to destroy it by labeling it a sin, creating aids, feminizing men and poisoning the well of masculine homosex with all kinds of freak trannies.
Anonymous No.18058986 [Report]
>>18058982
They've been terrified ever since Hadrian
Anonymous No.18059006 [Report] >>18059011
>>18058969
Nah, for Japan of the Edo-period it was literally class-based. If you (as a Samurai) fuck another Samurai, you die. If you fuck down the social ladder, you're fine. Any sex that wasn't Samurai-on-Samurai action was treated as the equivalent of being a fan of Metal music.
Anonymous No.18059011 [Report]
>>18059006
Post source
Anonymous No.18059061 [Report] >>18060524
>>18058945
Yeah. Feels like "mind your own business." The concept of "sin" doesn't really translate but even some of the Western LGBT "Pride" stuff also doesn't quite so much. A lot of the social/political culture in Asian societies appear (to me) to trend towards moderation. That's just me looking at them from the outside though.

Different country, but there was some stuff going around a few years ago about China cracking down on K-pop style idols in the culture. People took this to be an anti-gay thing, and maybe it was from CCP boomers, but then I'll see this stuff in Chinese pop culture now that comes across as way gayer to me (as a homosexual) than K-pop:
https://youtu.be/LKfL1V5yRQo

But it's also quite nice, the guy (who is gay) is genuinely talented. He's not taking his clothes off either or waving a Pride flag around. He's also mega-popular there.
Anonymous No.18059697 [Report] >>18060897
Shinto and Buddhism have far less political mobilization, and Japanese society historically does not have large, aggressive religious lobbying that could shut down media content. Social conservatism exists, but enforcement is more social than militant.
Anonymous No.18059766 [Report] >>18063451 >>18068595
>>18058945
China's traditional law code punished anal gay sex with 100 beatings with a rod.

Japan always had gay sex as legal until western influence during Meiji.

East Asia is not one monolithic group. China always had anti-faggot laws unlike Japan.

Japan even imported women adopting husbands surnames from the west and now claims its traditional and part of Japanese culture

In Chinese culture women keep their father's surnames since in Chinese patriarchal society, everyone belongs to their fathers family. It's not feminist at all for a woman to keep her surname upon marriage.

>>18058974

Japanese commoners were always sexually liberal. They did mixed gender baths, raised out of wedlock bastard children.
Anonymous No.18060449 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
Japan was pozzed already
Anonymous No.18060453 [Report] >>18064266 >>18064281
>>18058910 (OP)
>otherwise christian nationalists would commit domestic terrorism
In what cases are you thinking of? Usually it's the other side doing it
Anonymous No.18060474 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
Because Japan wasnt run by American Christian conservatives. Seems like your question contained the answer.
Zoom Zoom No.18060524 [Report] >>18063584
>>18058910 (OP)
>How did japan have a show with openly lgbt characters on TV in the late 1990s?
The concept of "LGBT" is an entirely Western one rooted in neo-gnositc Abrahamic thought.
>christian nationalists would commit domestic terrorism
No normies just plain didn't like it or care for it because the U.S was still relatively religious at the time.
>more socially conservative than america
In some regards, not in others. Japan is simply not a Western, Abrahamic country.
>>18059061
Also this. Asia's concerned with stability and order above all else. China and Vietnam aren't anti-"LGBT" because they are opposed to homosexuality, but rather because it's a competing political movement that disrupts the harmony of their society.
See also North Koreans getting kicked out of Cuba during the Cold War for having sex with each other while working on collective farms there.
Anonymous No.18060543 [Report]
She won
Anonymous No.18060560 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
>How did japan have a show with openly lgbt characters on TV in the late 1990s? In america, broadcasters used to ban gay content because otherwise christian nationalists would commit domestic terrorism. How did it fly in japan, which has been more socially conservative than america?
They were cousins, retard
Anonymous No.18060625 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
>How did japan have a show with openly lgbt characters on TV in the late 1990s?
Firstly, the term "LGBT" was not a recognized "ideology" at that point. Homosexuality hadn't been widely promoted under that deceptively sterilized banner yet.

Secondly, in the original version of this show in Japanese, this was a subtle thing that wasn't immediately apparent unless you were paying attention, so it seems like it slipped under the radar of most people. It simply wasn't widely noticed at the time, and the English dubs at the time easily removed it by having the characters be cousins instead.

However, things have only gotten more politically polarized and hypersexualized since the 1990s. References, especially in childrens programming, to anything surrounding "LGBT" are going to be extremely overt, in-your-face and ideological, kind of like what Disney is now doing. Thirty years ago, nobody would have dared to openly put such content in something perceived as a kids' show in the first place. I think in Japan, this just kind of slipped under the radar, at least for the most part. Since most people at the time weren't even paying that close attention to some kids' show.

That's how I think this happened. I doubt they would get away with sneaking something like this into programming perceived as being "for children" today. I'm not referring to modern anime and general "otakudom," however.

You could possibly consider this an isolated example of subversive programming in what was essentially a kids' show at the time. Regardless, the phenomenon as it exists 15-20 years later in the West seems rather different. Content meant to promote homosexuality, in English-speaking countries in more modern times, seems to be much more overt and unambiguous. There seems to presently be a huge amount of money being invested by certain people in attempting to promote and normalize sodomy in English-speaking countries. Even in children's programming. But in the 1990's, not at all.
Anonymous No.18060647 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
Because countries are different?
What kind of question is that.
Anonymous No.18060878 [Report] >>18060883
>>18058910 (OP)
“conservative” means different thing between countries
it’s just anyone who adheres tradition

even in the anglo world itself, it’s practically different between usa, britain, and austria in some ways

for example, usa was found by puritans/evangelicals with very autistic views of sex and nudity that still affect to this day

catholics and lutherans probably view differently
Anonymous No.18060883 [Report]
>>18060878
*australia
Anonymous No.18060897 [Report]
>>18059697
>Shinto and Buddhism have far less political mobilization
Sokko Gakkai. You can literally google it. McArthur did try his best to liberalize the shit outta religion, mind.
Anonymous No.18060913 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
Big reason is that in many ways there was more creative freedom in media back than compared to today. Today most commercial media is algorythmically optimized slop that goes through a dozen focus groups and commitees. And even more, there is an online ecosystem that immediately picks apart everything.

So basically when a kids show was made in the 90s, it was largely the creation of a producer and a writer who mostly followed their own creative vision, than it got ffwd-ed through by some bored tv execs to check for anything too controversial, and than it was already put on tv where it was mostly just seen by kids who aren't going to start a petition because there was an ableist joke in a cartoon or some shit.

Today, when a kids show is made, the first trailer is already picked apart by obsessive adults, and then they will go through with each episode with a magnifying glass to find anything they can turn into a discourse for those sweet clicks. So even when something out of the market-researched formula gets into the end product, it is guaranteed to immediately be in the center of a controversy.
Anonymous No.18060916 [Report]
lack of Abrahamic influence. Simple as.
Anonymous No.18060921 [Report] >>18060956
>>18058953
What does the g stand for?
Anonymous No.18060956 [Report]
>>18060921
gross
Anonymous No.18061872 [Report] >>18063144
>>18058910 (OP)
"Buffy" and lots of other TV shows had gay characters, male and female, and nobody really gave a shit. It was the 90s and it 100x more chill and awesome. If you made something "cool", that's really all that mattered, because that's all that should matter.
Zoom Zoom No.18063144 [Report] >>18063423
>>18061872
>It was the 90s and it 100x more chill and awesome
It was the early stages of subversion you oldfag retard
Anonymous No.18063171 [Report] >>18063630
>>18058910 (OP)
Goddamn Sailor Uranus is cute.
Anonymous No.18063271 [Report]
>>18058910 (OP)
Japan's broadcasters insulated from religious pressure saw LGBT themes as avant-garde art.
Anonymous No.18063423 [Report] >>18063656
>>18063144
Be that as it may, there were still some good shows. TNG is total propaganda, as was the original Star Trek, but it was also good in its own way. Even then, we know not to take this too seriously. Hot Vampires and Cool Aliens are fun. You should try it.
Anonymous No.18063451 [Report]
>>18059766
Absolutely retarded to call that anon out for treating East Asia as a monolith and then say, oh yeah, China's "traditional law code" punished gaysex, as if China and all its fucking massive history is one simple monolith itself and it was consistent on anything, especially something like gay sex.
afaik China was similarly non-committal about whether the state should police homos, there is evidence of certain regimes coming up with laws to prosecute them but it's few and far between, nothing on the scale Christianity's historical hatred of gays.
If you look at homophobia throughout history, it's natural for pockets of it to come and go organically in any society, especially amongst large conservative regimes like that seen in China, much like gayness itself comes and goes in fads among elitist social communities. What isn't really natural is the extreme lengths Christianity went to to demonise it.
Anonymous No.18063471 [Report] >>18064270
>>18058910 (OP)
Homosexuality IS conservative in Japan. They have a long history of homosexuality, so homosexuality is trad.
Source: yukio mishima
Anonymous No.18063497 [Report] >>18063509 >>18064276
>>18058910 (OP)
the fags censoring TV were dems. go look it up, it was like fucking ted turner and Al Gore's wife
in nipland girl on girl relationships are seen as hot and just a phase teenagers and young adults go through, which is normal, like 95% of women who have sex with other women also have sex with men. its why victorian bongland banned faggotry but didn't ban lesbians and it's why that meme
>lesbians are x times more likely to get teen pregnant than straight girls
exists and is factually correct
hell, even now the WWE is actively running a yuribait angle with a bunch of their wrestlers and it's not treated as a joke like the fags are
Anonymous No.18063500 [Report]
>>18058945
faggotry is disgusting and historic anti faggot laws were based and correct
Anonymous No.18063509 [Report] >>18063513
>>18063497
>hell, even now the WWE is actively running a yuribait angle with a bunch of their wrestlers and it's not treated as a joke like the fags are
hmm tell me more
Anonymous No.18063513 [Report]
>>18063509
there's a love triangle between Rhea Ripley who always lesbo baits, IYO SKY and Kairi Sane. there is a lot of implied aussie on lesbian sex happening behind the scenes and because IYO's autistic and Rhea likes to do pretend lesbian stuff they keep acting out lesbian romance scenes from 90s and early 2000s japanese tv shows
Anonymous No.18063584 [Report]
>>18060524
>China and Vietnam aren't anti-"LGBT" because they are opposed to homosexuality, but rather because it's a competing political movement that disrupts the harmony of their society.
Yeah. It's the same reason they don't like organized religion and keep tabs on it. (There we go again with the distrust of Abrahamism.) The LGBT movement like the churches are kind of like "middlemen" structures. Those governments don't like that stuff, it gets in the way. They want the strong central government to build infrastructure and handle big stuff, but on the other hand, people might actually be more atomized and individualistic at the same time. Chinese are "as loose as dust" I've heard. Anyhow, China doesn't have Pride parades and the cops will prevent those from happening, but the largest gay dating app in the world is a Chinese company and that's your own business. Thailand meanwhile is an international gay vacation and party destination which is a whole other thing that I don't understand but it's completely out of control:
https://youtu.be/CBC6GSFnhKc

For some reason in every gay neighborhood (or strip of bars) here in the U.S. there's always a popular Thai restaurant plopped right in the middle of it.

>See also North Koreans getting kicked out of Cuba during the Cold War for having sex with each other while working on collective farms there.
I've never heard that. That's funny.
Anonymous No.18063624 [Report] >>18063635
>>18058910 (OP)
>openly lgbt characters
Right... Such as?
Anonymous No.18063630 [Report] >>18063962
>>18063171
For me, it's Sailor Jupiter
Anonymous No.18063635 [Report] >>18068480
>>18063624
half the characters in card capter sakura. the major also finger fucks a girl in the gits comic because the author didn't want to draw a naked guy
Anonymous No.18063641 [Report]
why is this on history
Anonymous No.18063645 [Report]
& Humanities
Zoom Zoom No.18063656 [Report] >>18063657
>>18063423
>we know not to take this too seriously
The problem is the U.S literally takes nothing seriously, so as a result they take things that aren't serious like literal fiction dead serious.
>Hot Vampires and Cool Aliens are fun. You should try it.
No thanks, as a Zoomer I've spent my teenage and adult life at the bottom of the slippery slope, unlike you guys that got to experience the U.S at its end of history peak. One decade you go from Americanized, tasteless, but still sexy Lesbian vampires in older teen and adult-oriented movies and shows to grotesque, non-passing trannies pushing kids shows and books preaching the virtuousness of some inverted and secularized variation of Skoptsy blindly backed by every powerful group in society.
My experience in the U.S has seriously made me rethink the very concepts of individualism and liberty; I've seriously grown to think the average person is either too retarded or weak-willed to be rewarded legally protected complete free will untethered by religious or cultural authority.
Anonymous No.18063657 [Report] >>18063660 >>18063673
>>18063656
>I've seriously grown to think the average person is either too retarded or weak-willed to be rewarded legally protected complete free will untethered by religious or cultural authority
You are posting on this website. How do you think you're better than the average Joe, anyone else?
Anonymous No.18063660 [Report]
>>18063657
*let alone anyone else.
Zoom Zoom No.18063673 [Report] >>18063679
>>18063657
>You are posting on this website
In any other time period in the U.S before the 1960s I'd be on my family's farm in rural Southern Alabama we've had since the 1600s. I'd marry some local girl, do my draft service, and then return home as this dull if pleasant, stable, and satisfactory cycle continued. Instead I'm some socially atomized schizo living in a barely habitable desert colony called Phoenix posting on some shitty old website during what would be the prime of my life in any previous generation.
>How do you think you're better than the average Joe
Because the "average Joe" in the U.S can't point to most other countries on a map and doesn't even know who was president during WWII.
Anonymous No.18063679 [Report] >>18063683
>>18063673
I'm the average Joe and I know that FDR was president during WW2 and I can name every country in Europe, most of the ones in South/Central America, most of the ones in Asia, and none of the ones in sub-Saharan Africa because who cares about niggers lmao
Zoom Zoom No.18063683 [Report]
>>18063679
>I'm the average Joe
If you're a 4chan user you're automatically not "the average Joe" for better or worse, you're some type of outcast in some way
Anonymous No.18063684 [Report] >>18067858
>>18058910 (OP)
You just want people to post Sailor Moon yuri, don't you?
Anonymous No.18063962 [Report]
>>18063630
Good pick, I'd fuck her too.
Anonymous No.18064122 [Report] >>18065482
>>18058910 (OP)
Yuri in anime has nothing to do with the LGBT movement. Japanese know how to separate fiction from reality
Anonymous No.18064266 [Report]
>>18060453
You can tell some fat chick, that nobody would ever even consider impregnating, wrote this based on the ultra-faggy, swoopy writing. LOL!
Anonymous No.18064270 [Report] >>18064275
>>18063471
Yes, and like all faggot nations, including the Greek, Romans and especially Jews, they got BTFO by good German boys........millions and millions and millions of such cases......or so """They""" say ;)

The Nips got so thoroughly buck broken that they unironically worship White people to this day and fashion all of their art, clothing and culture after their Teutonic Masters. Again, many, many, many such cases.
Anonymous No.18064275 [Report] >>18064283
>>18064270
Jew.!
Anonymous No.18064276 [Report]
>>18063497
Yup, Tipper Gore & Co. were leading the charge. Zappa, Dee Snyder(jew), etc.....testitified before Congress. There were songs like "Banned in the USA", etc......this is where all the "Parental Warning Label" stuff started.

Untimately, it was just a big marketing gimmick to make pop music seem "edgy". "Hey Goyim friend, don't look at THIS....it's totally not edgy.....not THIS......don't look....STOP!......Well, I guess I can sell you a couple copies...... ;)


Once again we see Leftists trying to suppress Free Speech in the name of "muh feelings". Some things never change.
Big Bongus !!9zfcclmmPlH No.18064281 [Report]
>>18060453
>Thinks in "sides"
Anonymous No.18064283 [Report] >>18065919
>>18064275
takes one to know one ;)

We both know I am not a Jew. We both know you wish you weren't, as well.

I win!
Anonymous No.18065482 [Report] >>18065566 >>18065919 >>18066373
>>18064122
I am interested in learning the history of yuri
Anonymous No.18065566 [Report]
>>18065482
Anime girls kissing each other is cute and erotic so it became a sub-genre of anime/manga
Zoom Zoom No.18065919 [Report]
>>18065482
It was initially a woman-oriented thing that came out of Japanese lesbian fiction from the Meiji era and before. Then it got commercialized and serialized and became it's own thing, not too complicated.
>>18064283
There's nothing more pathetic than a BAPsphere/Yarvinite Jew larping as a White nationalist lol
Anonymous No.18066373 [Report]
>>18065482
it's a combination of guys think it's hot, because it is and japanese society as a whole sees it as a phase girls go through in their teens before they start dating men
Anonymous No.18066578 [Report] >>18068204 >>18068291
>>18058910 (OP)
Japan's LGBT characters were one-note okama jokes for decades. Literal crossdressing caricatures for bozo tarento to laugh at. At best, Japan's "acceptance" is just apathy and othering.
Anonymous No.18066826 [Report]
Anonymous No.18067858 [Report]
>>18063684
all yuri couples should be corrected with a fat sloppy cock
Anonymous No.18068204 [Report]
>>18066578
based nips, trannies are gross
Anonymous No.18068291 [Report]
>>18066578
You know that most people in the world think you're disgusting, right?
Anonymous No.18068480 [Report] >>18068503
>>18063635
>card capter sakura
We are talking about Sailor Moon. Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.18068503 [Report] >>18068513
>>18068480
he's talking about japan you gay retard. CCS came out around the same time as SM
Anonymous No.18068513 [Report] >>18068514
>>18068503
>How did Japan have a show
>a show
>a
>singular
>picture of Sailor Moon
You lost. Try again.
Anonymous No.18068514 [Report] >>18068519
>>18068513
you are ESL and retarded
Anonymous No.18068519 [Report] >>18068531
>>18068514
>It can't cite an example of a fag in Sailor Moon
I win. :)
Anonymous No.18068531 [Report] >>18068577
>>18068519
nope, and you can't win since you are an irl tranny
Anonymous No.18068577 [Report] >>18068586
>>18068531
>trannies out of nowhere
Your brain is worthless.
Anonymous No.18068586 [Report] >>18068604
>>18068577
you're literally a tranny. you fags can't even pass on the internet
Anonymous No.18068595 [Report]
>>18059766
I mean, considering how many times China was ass-raped by Mongols, Jurchens, Khitans etc, they had to have laws against ass fucking each other
Anonymous No.18068604 [Report] >>18068616
>>18068586
>you're literally a tranny
No, I am not. I hate fags and troons. I'm higher testosterone than you will ever be. Let this be a lesson to you: Your pattern recognition is completely worthless. You're literally retarded. Go back to /pol/.
Anonymous No.18068616 [Report] >>18068619
>>18068604
you are a tranny and you are low test. you probably think dogs belong outside and not in the home
Anonymous No.18068619 [Report] >>18068626
>>18068616
Goodbye, rat. :)
Anonymous No.18068626 [Report]
>>18068619
goodbye, tranny
Anonymous No.18068636 [Report]
>>18058945
Only Pajeets say Abrahamic.