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Anonymous No.18074502 [Report] >>18074556 >>18074708 >>18074960 >>18074983
Suriyothai (2001) depicts the 16th century ruined Kingdom of Ayutthaya, which later became Siam. During this period, there were 2 city states that encompassed Siam (Then Ayothaya and Phitsanulok). This film takes place over a score of years where the Kingdom saw many invasions from the neighboring Hongsawadi (Ancient Burma).

The film features full scale outdoor sets, real temples, throne rooms, ancient palaces, and massive scenes with thousands of extras on camera in a scale not seen since Lawrence of Arabia. It was funded by the Thai royal crown, allowing them access to royal palaces and relics. Francis Ford Coppola later re-edited the film, trimming 3 hours from its runtime, changed its name, added his own name to the title and ruined it. It took 6 years to film. They conscripted 20,000 soldiers to play the extras, used 350 elephants, etc.

This is the never before ripped non-export edition of Suriyothai that I recently bought. I have painstakingly and professionally re-written the entire English subtitle sourced from the export DVD, all 3,000 lines of dialog. Beforehand, the previous hard subtitle packaged with the export DVD was completely botched, with improper grammar, misspellings, mis-translations, and even several scenes without subtitle at all. I worked through the subtitle top to bottom.

No western media has ever reviewed the original Thai cut. They have only seen Coppola’s 2 hour cut. I have contacted Arrow, Kino Lorber, Criterion, and just about everyone else about remastering this film in its full 5-hour long glory.

>DOWNLOAD
https://archive.org/details/suriyothai-2001-dvd-remux-dts-mpeg-2


>PREVIEW(s):
https://www.viddler.com/A2xadH
https://www.viddler.com/EDsp58

Note: Not 1:1 historically accurate. Some of the Portuguese armor the Thai lords wear is certainly inaccurate. Everything else is fine, and a great preservation of an otherwise dead culture. Almost all soldiers other than lords don't wear armor and are half naked, for instance.
Anonymous No.18074511 [Report] >>18074514 >>18074708
Thankfully, the Europeans made plenty of accurate plans and art of Ayothaya from all angles before it was eventually destroyed in the 18th century. This 17th century depiction shows lots of interesting things. The top down view demonstrates the spires as golden, indicating they were gold plated. It is less noticeable in this artwork, probably due to loss of color.
Anonymous No.18074514 [Report] >>18074965
>>18074511
Top down view. This is before the French were established and built a fortress inside the city.

Estimated population in the 17th century was 900,000-1.7 million(surrounding), making it one of the largest cities in the world.
Anonymous No.18074556 [Report] >>18074560
>>18074502 (OP)
Interesting. I'll be sure to watch it. Maybe I'll do an hour a day.
>it was Thailand's most expensive film
>Budget - $11 million
Hollywood is such a fucking scam. Obviously Thailand is going to be much cheaper than US, but it's sickening how much they spend on modern movies and tv shows, despite the fact that they look worse than ever. Instead of filming on sets and real locations, everything is shitty, uncanny valley CGI now. Even for scenes that don't require any CGI. Lazy directors switched to digital cameras out of convenience, but they all look like garbage compared to film cameras.
Anonymous No.18074560 [Report]
>>18074556
>Budget - $11 million
AFAIK, the reported budget of the film was $20 million, but the actual budget of the film is unknown, as it was supported by the government, giving them unprecedented access to the Thai military for labor in constructing the sets, 10,000+ extras, etc. But it is quite amazing the film is so well made considering, as Thailand was otherwise completely unknown for that type of film, and almost every country in the world still today can't pull off that kind of epic, let alone one like Thailand (which is so small).
Anonymous No.18074708 [Report] >>18074731
>>18074502 (OP)
Thank you so very much for this, I have always wanted to learn more about the culture of medieval Thailand as I only know a little about the history, art and this seems like the perfect way. It is truly a tragedy that there are not enough people like you willing to restore and protect great works like these. Had never heard of it before.

>>18074511
Pardon my curiosity, but is there an etymological connection between Ayothaya and Ayodhya? I know that the Ramayan is the royal epic of Thailand and there is large Sanskrit influence in the Thai language so it made me think of it.
Anonymous No.18074731 [Report] >>18074750
>>18074708
>but is there an etymological connection between Ayothaya and Ayodhya?
Yes, Thailand shares the creation myth of the Ramayana. It's called the Ramakien in Thailand. In the early 8-10th century, Brahmin's from the northwest would make a pilgrimage down there and spread that story, which led to the adoption of Sanskrit (called pali script) in Thailand. Pali script is used for most of the royal names which I translated in the film.
Anonymous No.18074750 [Report] >>18074763
>>18074731
Fascinating, I had seen a video of the Ramakien theatre being performed but never had I imagined the state's name itself was from Ayodhya. Certainly it must have been transmitted in the very first manifestations of the Indian culture in Thailand as you say, so it would make sense that the first uses of written script would be for it, alongside the sutras of course. This does raise another question I have long been curious about: from which Indian script does the Thai script descend? It has to me always seemed closer to the scripts of the south than those of north or east India, so I am quite interested to finally know.
Anonymous No.18074763 [Report] >>18074768 >>18074784
>>18074750
>This does raise another question I have long been curious about: from which Indian script does the Thai script descend?
It doesn't really. It's a mixture of surrounding scripts and languages, completely made up. Modern Thai is derived from the completely unique language the Ayothaya royals spoke. It didn't spread to greater Thailand until like the 18th/19th century I think.
Anonymous No.18074768 [Report] >>18074769 >>18074784
>>18074763
I should say that as my wife pointed out, the language they use in Suriyothai is now how Thai speak today. It's the royal 'king' language. far more antiquated and complicated. Thai students are forced to learn the antiquated language of course.
Anonymous No.18074769 [Report]
>>18074768
not how*
Anonymous No.18074784 [Report] >>18074786 >>18074794
>>18074763
That does certainly make more sense, pardon my conceptualising the origin in terms of a single transmission. A gradual process of selection and change is far more natural.

>>18074768
Such difference in register is the case in all languages, but due to the ancestry of writing in India and Southeast Asia I think that the difference is the strongest for them. I do not know about the differences between Suriyothai and spoken Thai, but there is a similar distinction in my native language (Bengali), with there existing a Likhito bhasa (literate language) contrasted with Bolit bhasa (spoken language). The former is based off the Shadhu bhasa (wise language) of the 19th century, which itself was based off the register of late medieval Bengali as spoken in the court. Grammatical expressions differ but also vocabulary, with expressions as simple as "I" changing from "ami" to "mor."
Anonymous No.18074786 [Report] >>18074796
>>18074784
*Suriyothai language
That is, the aristocratic tongue.
Anonymous No.18074794 [Report] >>18074796
>>18074784
>Grammatical expressions differ but also vocabulary, with expressions as simple as "I" changing from "ami" to "mor."
A slight correction to make, this is solely for Shadhu bhasa. The modern literary language, at least when correctly, does away with many of the Sanskritic vocabulary for the contemporary alternative but does have some grammatical distinctions.
Anonymous No.18074796 [Report] >>18074799
>>18074786
>>18074794
It's something like that. I can't really speak on the details as I'm not Thai. My wife is the one who did those translations. I was just the worker bee that did everything else!
Anonymous No.18074799 [Report] >>18074803
>>18074796
I see, well my compliments to her then. She seems very dedicated.
Anonymous No.18074803 [Report] >>18074811
>>18074799
To her as well that is, can't imagine compiling the translation in the highest quality digital format is so easy either !
Anonymous No.18074811 [Report] >>18074818
>>18074803
nah it took 200 hours to proof read it was ass. dont regret doing it though. the film deserves to be saved.
Anonymous No.18074818 [Report]
>>18074811
Couldn't imagine struggling through that kind of trying restoration myself, but I hope your efforts will bear fruit.
Anonymous No.18074923 [Report] >>18074928
Just caught a major error in the sub. Because I didn't know the ancient name of Ayothaya was Ayothaya Sri Ram Thep.

Before:
Anonymous No.18074928 [Report]
>>18074923
after
Anonymous No.18074960 [Report] >>18074981
>>18074502 (OP)
Is it feminist crap?
Anonymous No.18074965 [Report]
>>18074514
>waterways
Tenochtitlan flashbacks intensify!
Cortes would make short work of this one million inhabitants capital with 500 conquistadors and a few thousand natives. Probably kidnap the retard king inside his own palace lmao.
Anonymous No.18074981 [Report]
>>18074960
No.
Anonymous No.18074983 [Report]
>>18074502 (OP)
test
Anonymous No.18074985 [Report]
OP here. I fixed that error above. I’ll be reuploading the film to archive tomorrow. Archive servers are down so can’t do it today. If the error doesn’t bother you by all means watch the film. Just try not to spread around the deprecated file. Much love and enjoy.
Anonymous No.18075773 [Report]
Bump. New uploads processing.