Thread 18079443

What would have happened if the american nazi party had won the presidential election?

JFK moment but a lot faster

>>18079443 (OP)
Become the most hilariously ineffective administration in history.
Good luck getting anything done when the entirety of the US Legislative, Judicial, and Army branches are against you.

>>18079443 (OP)
>A Washington portrait and a Hitler portrait.
What a schizophrenic ideology. Did that party even know what it wanted to be?

>>18079471
Do you not know what syncretism is?

>>18079453
fippy bippy mossad shooty

>>18079443 (OP)
>libtards but racist
They already had that.
>>18079494
How do you syncretize collectivist authoritarianism with WASP boomer classical liberalism for landowning white men only?

>>18079471
>>18079494
Rockwell wanted to make a regular old Fascist party but decided to make it a Nazi party for no reason.

>>18079443 (OP)
nothing good, and not because they're evil, but because they're retarded. rockwell was a twice divorced mentally ill schizo and would have been an incompetent at governing. he was discharged from the military for being a schizo so the military would have hated him. unlike the original nazis, the ANP's stormtroopers were fat retards who had little to no combat experience. a lot of the original nazis fought in ww1 and saw death firsthand. the guys who rode around in the hate bus were loser fags who grew up in one of the wealthiest and most prosperous times in american history to complain about black people.

>>18079443 (OP)
The CIA and FBI goes lol while his head explodes like a watermelon during his campaign.

>>18079630
Tbf, I wouldn't be surprised if they could win over Hoover

>>18079638
>wilson
>johnson
>hoover

they could have won lots of former presidents over

>>18080026
He meant J Edgar Hoover the FBI director.

>>18079619
>one of the wealthiest and most prosperous times in american history to complain about black people.
niggers killed american urbanism, that's a fantastic reason to hate them. america would have walkable cities and excellent public transit were it not for the great migration, maybe universal healthcare too

>>18079471
Washington would have found much more in common with Adolf Hitler than with FDR.

>>18080223
Washington would have killed himself seeing how the country which was supposed to have no political factions be ruled by partisan lobby groups and special interests

>>18080161
Proof?

it would be a joke, probably the only way it could happen is if people voted for them as a joke thinking no one else would do the same, regardless they'd still be a bunch of LARPers who only waved the swastika around to be edgy and they'd quickly be superseded by other more powerful groups

>>18079443 (OP)

See >>18079453 >>18079619 >>18079630

Constitutional scholars would spend the next century unironically defending coup d'états as a means to safeguard democracy.

>>18079471

In terms of actual beliefs, they watered everything down to the point where it was barely even Nazism anymore, just segregationism with edgy aesthetics.

>>18079494

The beliefs and moral values of Adolf Hitler and George Washington are completely and utterly incompatible with each other. Apart from diametrically opposed views on race, religion, inalienable rights, the rule of law, and the role government should play in public life, Washington was a 3rd Degree Freemason and a well-known philosemite, Hitler believed that Freemasonry and Jewry were conspiring hand-in-hand to destroy civilization. Washington was one of the first people he would've had tossed into a gas chamber.

>>18080255
And yet he was a Freemason.

>>18079443 (OP)
WHITE POWERRRRRRRRR

>>18079506
You don't, you just sound like a schizophrenic retard. Read into Patriot Front's doctrine if you want a modern example.

>>18080161
this is some next level schizoposting, thanks for the (You) faggot

>>18080442
They are actually very similar.
>race
both believed in the strength of their own people.
>religion
both believed in a unifying religion to guide the nation, in particular Christianity.
>inalienable rights
neither believed in inalienable rights, however both believed rights as understood by the state should be respected.
>rule of law
both were autistic about respecting rule of law and only breaking it in extreme circumstances.
>well known philosemite
source? that would also be another similarity with Hitler and Washington admiring the jews for different reasons though still admiring something about the jewish character.
>gas chamber
oh i see we just arent being serious.
sorry my mistake. you got me 10/10

>>18081287
>high crime and low productivity makes it harder for cities to flourish
>ABSOLUTE SCHIZOPHRENIA FROM MR RACIST

>>18081302
we don't have universal healthcare because large corporations don't want it, since it would cut into their profits. a lot of other groups don't want it too, since it would add more government regulations to their practice. universal healthcare was proposed during the new deal by congress before being shut down by the AMA. as far as walkable cities, america is a younger nation and the infrastructure was built around cars. we've had a federal highway system since at least the 1920s. as cars became cheaper during the interwar period and especially after ww2, many americans began to associate cars with personal freedom. so yes, you are schizoposting, but please keep at it. you're funny to me.

>>18080026
>Wilson
>the guy who legally codified the idea of a central bank
Fuck no. The guy was basically the face of international finance in America that the Nazis were talking about.

>>18081298
>They are actually very similar.
>>race
>both believed in the strength of their own people.
Washington only like Anglos or at the very least Protestant NW Europeans.
>>religion
>both believed in a unifying religion to guide the nation, in particular Christianity.
Founding fathers were deists and mason occultists.
>>inalienable rights
>neither believed in inalienable rights, however both believed rights as understood by the state should be respected.
"Washington didn't believe in inalienable rights" is probably the most retarded thing ever posted on this board, and it's only the third point in your post. Incredible.
>>rule of law
>both were autistic about respecting rule of law and only breaking it in extreme circumstances.
They literally wrote the laws in their respective societies, you retard.
>>well known philosemite
>source?
He is celebrated for his 1790 letter to the Touro Synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, in which he stated that the government of the United States "shall have no...like, nor the least-aversion, for the Jewish nation" and that all citizens should be able to practice their faith "under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid". FreeMasonry is also heavily semitic in terms of ritualized customs.
that would also be another similarity with Hitler and Washington admiring the jews for different reasons though still admiring something about the jewish character.
>>gas chamber
>oh i see we just arent being serious.
>sorry my mistake. you got me 10/10
/pol/tranny read his trigger word.

>>18081363
you're so right, the guy who segregated the federal government and army during world war 1, believed in race realism and believed in racial hierarchy, and screened birth of a nation at the white house would have been opposed to the nazis. he might have not been hitler's number 1 fan or anything (disliking his treatment of jews and hating that they took a shit on his league of nations project), but he would have been in favor of their authoritarian style of governing.

>>18079443 (OP)
It would never happen since they glowies like the OG Nazis.

>>18081444
https://web.archive.org/web/20201023211117/https://jacobitemag.com/2018/02/16/how-to-destroy-the-alt-right/
>The phenomenon of the true-believing informant, strange as it may sound, is relatively common. George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party, regularly telephoned the ADL’s man in Washington, Jason Silverman, to update him on party activities. Guy Banister, a former FBI agent-turned activist who was involved in Louisiana’s White Citizens Councils and the Minutemen, was regularly in touch with his former colleagues, which may have helped to shield him when a man who rented space in a building he owned, one Lee Harvey Oswald, came under posthumous scrutiny

>not reading GLR's FBI file
>not realizing the FBI considered him "cooperative"
>not realizing his top two funders, Hooker and Arrowsmith, were feds
>not realizing half of the ANP were Feds
>not realizing the other half were ADL informants

Learn some shit.
https://archive.org/details/foia_Rockwell_George_L.-HQ-1
https://archive.org/details/foia_Rockwell_George_L.-HQ-2
https://archive.org/details/foia_Rockwell_George_L.-HQ-3
https://archive.org/details/FBIMonographAmericanNaziParty

>>18081447
>Also MC Piper (author of The Final Judgment) mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald was affiliated with FBI infiltrated right wing groups around this time

>GLR had a lot of meetings with the FBI. Some of them were civil rights complaints. Others were interviews with significant portions redacted. One unredacted meeting dealt with a spurious assassination plot against President Johnson where Rockwell was looking inside of his organization. In one area the FBI said that Rockwell had always been "cooperative". That's not what they call someone who is a problem

>Let's imagine for a minute that he isn't a fed. Half of his members were FBI informants. The man who founded the Nationalist Youth League which later became the American Nazi Party, DeWest Hooker, was an informant for both the FBI and ADL. The man who purchase the ANP's barracks for Rockwell, Harold N. Arrowsmith, was an FBI informant

>Do you think Rockwell would be the only non-Fed in the organization?

>>18081453
>Page 45 DeWest Hooker wrote a letter to J. Edgar Hoover offering his services. On pages 64 and 65 he denotes his contacts with an ADL informant. Pages 78 through 82 record an interview with Hooker and FBI agents
https://ia802703.us.archive.org/8/items/foia_Nationalist_Party-West_Hooker_NYC_-1/Nationalist_Party-West_Hooker_NYC_-1.pdf

>The FBI noted Hooker's close relationship to the ADL here
https://archive.org/details/foia_Nationalist_Conservative_Party-Wernecke-NYC-1/page/n29

>I'll get back to you on Arrowsmith

>>18081456
>The tl;dr is that he isn't as great as you think he is

>Regarding membership page 76 lists almost every leading officer as a informant via redaction. It also redacted the name of a prominent financier. I've read Arrowsmith's snitching before so I'll try to find that, but as far as I know he was the only major on the record financier
https://ia601806.us.archive.org/6/items/foia_American_Nazi_Party-NYC-5/American_Nazi_Party-NYC-5.pdf

>>18081458
>Here's one I hadn't seen before. Page 52 GLR's gf was an FBI informant
https://ia601808.us.archive.org/16/items/foia_American_Nazi_Party-NYC-4/American_Nazi_Party-NYC-4.pdf

>I think it would be interesting to see who wasn't an informant

>>18081461
>What was the motivation for clipping him?

>I think Matt Koehl and Robert Lloyd were tired of playing second fiddle to Rockwell. Koehl got the number one spot and Lloyd's gun was the murder weapon

>Rockwell ate very well while his members ate canned beans at the barracks. Rockwell also frequently went on vacations on the pretext of ANP business. There were quite a few members who wanted to rebrand the party and move away from the foreign aspects

>One person who didn't kill Rockwell was Patler. He would have had to have left an argument with his wife, then ran a 6 minute mile pace to fire two shots from a rooftop ditch the gun and catch his bus, and somehow know in an era before cell phones that Rockwell was leaving that laundromat at the exact time. He would have also had to have changed his shoes during this time because the tread pattern he wore when he was arrested didn't match the tread found on the roof. The tread pattern was kept out of the courtroom. The murder weapon belonged to Robert Lloyd. Testimony by Lloyd and Koehl, who stood to gain from Rockwell's death, placed the gun in Patler's hands

>A month before Rockwell had survived an assassination attempt and suspected an internal coup. This also exculpated Patler who had left months earlier

>Roy Frankhouser claims the ADL was tied to Patler and Rockwell’s assassination. He claims Patler tried to sell him the murder weapon a month before the assassination. On a different note Karl Allen, the former deputy commander to Rockwell, believed Patler was framed by the ADL and started a John Patler Defense Fund on his behalf

>>18081465
>Harold Arrowsmith was interviewed by the FBI regarding the bombing of a synagogue in Atlanta. During this interview he described his relationship with Rockwell. I'm looking for the transcript, but at least Vanguard reported the contact

https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/01/the-history-of-american-national-socialism-part-v-the-pre-rockwell-years-1946-1958/

>On page 22 it notes the interview of a Baltimore financier whose name is redacted. That could only be Harold Arrowsmith. Rockwell also has extended meetings with the FBI in which he provides a considerable amount of information on ANP business ostensibly to exculpate Wallace Allen for the bombing of a synagogue

https://archive.org/details/foia_Allen_Wallace_H.-HQ-4/page/n21

>>18081468
>It is barely known that Trump's earlier campaign manager Roger Stone, have connections in the American far right, including David Duke. Joe Kennedy Sr and his sons were close friends of the little known American nationalist DeWest Hooker. Think of him as the Dietrich Eckart of post-war American nationalism. DeWest Hooker was also a close friend with of none other than the American National Nocialist George Lincoln Rockwell. But there is even more to it that that. DeWest Hooker, Roger Stone and David Duke were friends with none other than the renegade no holds barred nationalist author Michael Collins Piper

>Kennedy, after World War 2 told Hooker to make Rockwell and other Nationalists to attack JFK and support Nixon instead. This was a planned move by Kennedy to make his sons gain the trust of the Jews and get into the White House. "Nazis for Nixon, Kikes for Kennedy" became a common phrase of George Lincoln Rockwell and the ANP

>>18081470
>Another interesting tidbit about his family was that his father was an alleged nazi-sympathizer. Joseph Kennedy had connections with Dewest hooker, who in-turn was the mentor of George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party

>Hooker promised Kennedy he would do what he could. And being a man of his word, Hooker did influence his right-wing contacts as Kennedy had asked. Hooker encouraged his friend, Nazi leader Rockwell, and other "right wingers" to smear John F. Kennedy as JFK's father had suggested. His efforts succeed.
>As one chronicle of the 1960 campaign noted: "The American Nazi Party helped too by throwing its support to Richard Nixon—"Nazis for Nixon, Kikes for Kennedy" was one of its slogans. Another of its placards read, "FDR and JFK mean JEW deal."
>This, of course, was inspired by JFK's father and carried out through the good offices of DeWest Hooker and his friend George Lincoln Rockwell, although the historian who penned the description of Rockwell's sloganeering probably had no idea that it was indirectly the work of Joe Kennedy

>>18081371
>He is celebrated for his 1790 letter to the Touro Synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, in which he stated that the government of the United States "shall have no...like, nor the least-aversion, for the Jewish nation" and that all citizens should be able to practice their faith "under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid". FreeMasonry is also heavily semitic in terms of ritualized customs

You forgot to mention that this Masonic lodge was the first one to be founded in Rhodes Island along to the first bank there by the same Jew who founded the first synagogue in the USA and that Washington was a member of a New York lodge that was founded under the jurisdiction of this Jewish lodge.

>>18081533
>"In the year 1749, the first Masonic Lodge was established. Ninety percent of the members of this first lodge, fourteen all told, were Jews. And one knows that only so-called "prominent" individuals were accepted. Twenty years later, the second Masonic Lodge, "King David," was established. It is a fact that all of these members were Jews. In the meantime, the Jewish influence in Newport had reached such proportions that President George Washington decided to pay them a visit. Upon his appearance, both of the Masonic Lodges sent an emissary — a Jew named Moses Seixas (4) — to approach the President with a petition, in which the Jews of Newport stated: "If you will permit the children of Abraham to approach you with a request, to tell you that we honor you, and feel an alliance and then: "Until the present time the valuable rights of a free citizen have been withheld. However, now we see a new government coming into being based on the Majesty of the people, a government, not sanctioning any bigotry nor persecution of the Jew, rather, to concede the freedom of thought, which each shares, whatever Nation or Language, as a part of the great Government machine."

>Multiple relatives attended including Cyrus Leopold Sulzberger (1858 – 1932), who was married to Peixotto’s niece, Rachel Peixotto Hays, and was an early trustee of Temple Israel. Cyrus’s great-grandfather, Benjamin Seixas, brother of the famous rabbi and American Revolutionary Gershom Mendes Seixas, Moses Seixas's younger brother, of Congregation Shearith Israel, was one of the founders of the New York Stock Exchange. Cyrus’ brother Solomon E. Sulzberger (1840 – 1917) was president of the B’nai B’rith and president of Temple Israel. Cyrus would later attend the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland in 1897. Cyrus’s son was New York Times publisher Arthur Hays Sulzberger (1891 – 1968)