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What went wrong?
>let's create an orderly world of free trade and open borders so that goods and services and information can flow freely and unite the world in one global culture where the most talented people can move to the best run and most welcoming countries because every single person is full of potential and they just lack the means to express it
Anonymous No.18084843 [Report] >>18085030 >>18088507
Hegel is what went wrong, as always
Anonymous No.18084847 [Report] >>18084852 >>18084864 >>18086539 >>18089687 >>18090214
Imagine open your borders so millions indians can flood in.
Anonymous No.18084852 [Report] >>18085427 >>18091523
>>18084847
But Indians were already being moved in high ass numbers in the colonial era? Weird to pretend that wasnt the case or that there was no precedent of the mass movement of Sinos/Indos
Anonymous No.18084864 [Report] >>18085645
>>18084847
but they did that
Anonymous No.18084876 [Report] >>18084895 >>18084930 >>18085552
>>18084829 (OP)
As in every other political issue, it's about skin color and male-female relations.
>whites find browns ugly and don't want to get flooded by them
>browns are resentful towards whites bc of colonialism and wealth disparity
>men want to strip away women's rights to get pussy
>women want unlimited sexual freedom to whore around
The interplay of these four factors explains everything in politics today, and it's why Fukuyama's vision of liberal democracy is under threat
Anonymous No.18084895 [Report] >>18084947 >>18086073
>>18084876
the third one I wrote five volumes of books on, except I'm advocating for it, unlike academia.
Anonymous No.18084901 [Report] >>18084917 >>18086000
>>18084829 (OP)
Overblown. The 19th and 20th century saw the rise and fall of monarchism, socialism, and fascism. Who's to say that in 100 or 200 years liberalism won't also be an ideology of the past? We can see it today with the rise of right-wing populism, authoritarianism, and the rise of China. If he was born 150 years ago would he also say that history has ended because the predominant ideology was european monarchism?
Anonymous No.18084917 [Report]
>>18084901
>If he was born 150 years ago would he also say that history has ended because the predominant ideology was european monarchism?
That's literally what Hegel wrote he thought Prussian monarchy was the end of history
Anonymous No.18084930 [Report]
>>18084876
the problem with the last one is women don't understand their wombs can only support one seed at a time so they cope by mindlessly killing their kids. women need to realize they can't just have unlimited sex because of biological reasons.

Captcha: PPASS
Anonymous No.18084947 [Report] >>18084969
>>18084895
you mean 5 volumes of /pol/troon screeds that you probably screenshotted after you posted them
Anonymous No.18084969 [Report] >>18085017 >>18086073
>>18084947
no. I literally am going to university for world history and scored high marks in English literature while in school. most of my writings are put on substack before I convert them to pdf and epub. they are also sold on the amazon webstore.
Anonymous No.18085017 [Report] >>18085057
>>18084969
then post them here
>b-but le doxxing me!
thank you for proving they're actually just /pol/troon screechings. if you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk.
Anonymous No.18085030 [Report] >>18085041
>>18084843
The obvious reason it failed is trade is physically impossible. It isn't possible to move goods over a thousand miles and marine engines are fake and use currents.
This means the few areas with ports are all there is. North Korea is poor because it lacks a port. So the only way trade can work is to move goods away from the areas with bad ports that export low quality goods, to the few areas with good ports that pick off what they want.
Therefore trade is just another type of rent. Comparative advantage means nothing and is a mental illness. There is no reason the same good would be efficient to assign the same price in all places. Nothing in comparitive advantage makes sense and Ricardo's example was entirely caused by manipulation and higher liquidity in england than France. By buying the cheaper good you're just subsidizing the original irrationality.
The theory is that the first world is inefficient and the third world can be utilized to fix this, but there's still no gain from the trade because the first world doesn't produce anything. The idea Africa imports food is fake and fraudulent. In reality the first world produced nothing and receives in return iPhones and other garbage. Trade never existed in the first place because there's no reason to do the same thing farther away and it's only favored because of wages or other superficial reasons.
Raising wages in the third world only has value if there is something to buy, and because the first world produces nothing, and it's paper machinery exports merely reflect circlejerking goods inside the third world, there is no gain. Of course his is completely retarded, fixates on black cock and immigration and doesn't even address anything.
Immigration doesn't matter and those people die of meth anyway and it's only a minor idpol issue.
Anonymous No.18085041 [Report] >>18085293
>>18085030
>Raising wages in the third world only has value if there is something to buy,
isn't the deal that they have raw materials that get shipped to the first world for processing and then the first world ships finished goods back (before the first world gave all their factories to China)
Zoom Zoom No.18085052 [Report] >>18085060 >>18085081
>>18084829 (OP)
>one global culture where the most talented people can move to the best run and most welcoming countries
Here. It's an imperial delusion produced by hegemony to assume that non-Western people like Indians, Arabs, Africans, and Jews will magically adopt postmodernism rather than just weaponizing it to subvert Western nations from within.
Anonymous No.18085057 [Report] >>18085403 >>18086073
>>18085017
you're not doxxing me at, every knows me already. I've been online since 1993. and you hardly let me prove anything but considering you're just assuming shit/pulling shit out of your ass: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJDRSG82?binding=kindle_edition&qid=1760815154&sr=1-1&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tkin
Anonymous No.18085060 [Report] >>18085064 >>18085789
>>18085052
the Arab world is liberalizing as we speak.
Zoom Zoom No.18085064 [Report] >>18085068 >>18085097 >>18085115 >>18085495
>>18085060
>the Arab world is liberalizing as we speak
If that were the case we'd see more Assads and Sisis and less Julanis.
Anonymous No.18085068 [Report] >>18085141
>>18085064
the Arab world is also not a monolith, either
Anonymous No.18085081 [Report]
>>18085052
Why antagonize people for "potentially" being a threat or not being obsessively try to copy the west 1:1 or kowtowing the line. Like you know starting shit with East Asians backfired since no one wants shitty back to back loyalty checks or "kill your economy for me" moments entitlement. Why do you think it would work out elsewhere?
Anonymous No.18085097 [Report] >>18085121 >>18085793 >>18088580
>>18085064
Julani was propped up by foreigners and western interests because he made them wet with his neatly tailored suits and trimmed beard. Turns out you can be openly Jihadi Isis member slaying Alawites and Sunnis who don't want a sectarian war, or are "too left" but as long as you spend like $300 for a makeover it's all alright.
Anonymous No.18085115 [Report]
>>18085064
we are seeing sissies though
Anonymous No.18085121 [Report]
>>18085097
looksmaxxing chads proved right
Anonymous No.18085126 [Report] >>18085150 >>18085739
>>18084829 (OP)
Brown "people". Everything would be right if world was 100% white and yellow
Anonymous No.18085141 [Report] >>18085157
>>18085068
Fuck off with this cope, it's never even about the pre arab indigenous conquereds minority religions and sects its always insisting identical islamist arab supremacist shitholes #1-#100 are entirely distinct and diverse.
>Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria are as distinct different and seperate from eachother as Mongolians, Zulus, eskimos, Incans and Scottish Gaelics!!!!!!
No, nigga.
Anonymous No.18085150 [Report]
>>18085126
>Everything would be right if world was 100% white and yellow
Lmao you'd find some ryardef reason to sling shit or start some gay ass war. France and Britain almost got into a war over a tiny shit swamp in Fashoda.
Anonymous No.18085157 [Report] >>18085557
>>18085141
>its always insisting identical islamist arab supremacist shitholes #1-#100 are entirely distinct and diverse.
They are distinct lil retard.
Anonymous No.18085293 [Report] >>18085845
>>18085041
That's just a lie created by Jews, in reality trade doesn't exist and besides oil and chinesium there's very little resource the third world provides.
First world exports aluminum, fake oil (shale), copper, gold, silver, and an abundance of other resources since the first world has all the natural resources. This trade volume is small and the vast majority of trade is overpriced garbage like iPhones with minimal physical impact.
Anonymous No.18085403 [Report] >>18085440 >>18089630
>>18085057
Good god I I could barely take reading a few paragraphs of that schizo rambling
Anonymous No.18085427 [Report] >>18085681
>>18084852
Where are you getting your information? Bollywood or western poz'd media? The only large scale movement of Indians was to Africa, Mauritius and Burma. There were less than 50000 nonwhite persons in Britain before the Windrush arrived.
Anonymous No.18085440 [Report] >>18085537 >>18089630
>>18085403
Its okay. I'm going into academia anyways. Keep in mind Nick Land was in academia too and no one can read his shit either. Its not for lowborns like yourself.
Anonymous No.18085495 [Report] >>18085501 >>18086584
>>18085064
Assad was not liberal or secular. He aligned himself with Iran and Hezbollah. If he truly was secular, he would have mass executed every single Hezbollah member in the country and declared the Iranian government to be “no different from the Zionists”.
Anonymous No.18085501 [Report]
>>18085495
Those are just labels used to confuse people, Assad today is a meth lord and has no ideology.
Anonymous No.18085537 [Report] >>18085589
>>18085440
Oh I understand it alright. I understand it's overflowing with emotionalism and lacking in careful reasoning and factual analysis. Stick to art and fiction, blowhard.
Anonymous No.18085551 [Report] >>18085849
>>18084829 (OP)
That is exactly the world we live in. What's your point?
Anonymous No.18085552 [Report]
>>18084876
This is most obvious with Ukraine and Palestine, the whole of discourse concerning these wars is just about skin color (and to an extent about sexuality, in the case of Ukraine)
Anonymous No.18085557 [Report] >>18085677 >>18088401
>>18085157
They speak the same language and follow the same religion, to distinguish them is foolish.

The only “diversity” is the oppressed non-Arab (some of them non-Muslim) minorities such as Kurds, Berbers, Copts, Assyrians, Druze, and Yazidis.

If the whole region truly were diverse, there would be no Arabs or Muslims outside the Arabian peninsula.
Anonymous No.18085573 [Report] >>18085677
>>18084829 (OP)
In my opinion what went wrong is the whole idea of "where the most talented people can move to the best run" because this ultimately creates a class of fifth columnists that want to apply principles from other countries to their own and often for ideological purposes, that have a negative impact on social organization within the most influential classes of a given country. This idea of a free trade open border globalism scenario makes the naive assumption that every single participant in said system is a collective hivemind and not individuals with conflicting interests that need to be culled by, paradoxically, protectionist, anti-globalist policy.
Anonymous No.18085589 [Report] >>18085624
>>18085537
>seethes instantly
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.18085624 [Report]
>>18085589
I fail to detect an argument in this post.
Anonymous No.18085641 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Brown people.
Anonymous No.18085645 [Report] >>18085665 >>18088401 >>18089689
>>18084864
They are being set up as the fall guys. Honestly, they deserve it for their arrogance. I hope Vance erects extermination camps.
Anonymous No.18085665 [Report] >>18089689
>>18085645
>I hope Vance erects extermination camps.
That Basedman can barely through a ball as is, you thin he'll ever do something like that? Get real.
Anonymous No.18085677 [Report]
>>18085573
>protectionist, anti-globalist policy.
Those are some of the most self-destructive and deluded policies around.

>>18085557
>They speak the same language and follow the same religion, to distinguish them is foolish.
That's like saying Italy and France are the same because both historically were Catholic.

>The only “diversity” is the oppressed non-Arab (some of them non-Muslim) minorities such as Kurds, Berbers, Copts, Assyrians, Druze, and Yazidis
You trying to paint shit as "Arab" and "not-Arab" is super ahistorical. More so since Pan-Arabism was only a thing very recently and died pretty quickly. Copts are Egyptians in the exact same way the Muslim population is and only crazed retards think Copts are somehow super special because of religion. Spoiler Alert: Ancient Egyptians weren't Christians either.

>there would be no Arabs or Muslims outside the Arabian peninsula.
That makes no sense.
Anonymous No.18085681 [Report] >>18085687
>>18085427
>The only large scale movement of Indians was to Africa, Mauritius and Burma
And SEA, The Carribeans, A bunch of islands in the Indian and Pacific Ocean, and the Middle East, and Southern America. Read more before you post.
Anonymous No.18085687 [Report] >>18089635
>>18085681
Indians were also already sizable enough in North America for both Canada and the US to issue migration restrictions for both of them in the early 20th century. Along the same vein as the policies targeting Chinese migrants.
Anonymous No.18085710 [Report] >>18085717
The vast majority of people are concerned only with their own sustenance and the survival of their immediate kith and kin. They don't care about "others" who exist outside their inner circle, except in the most abstract sense. They will work for the benefit of the "others" only if it comes at no tangible cost to themselves and their families. It has always been this way, too. People inherently only care about a small group, no more than roughly 100 people at most. They fundamentally do not give a shit about people outside their immediate in-group.

So how do societies work, then? How do you build a society comprised of many thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of people? Basically, it's done with trickery. You have to create a shared identity. It's not enough to simply say "these people are your countrymen!" because countryman is still a category outside the in-group. It doesn't naturally engender any special consideration. So what the earliest nation-builders of mankind did, was create layers of metaphor and analogy, and utilized powerful social institutions to create dependencies which reinforced the inherently understandable metaphors of familial relation.

To wit: the king is the father of his nation. Religious figures are referred to with familial address (i.e., father, mother, brother, sister, and in turn they call you "son" or "child" to reinforce the relationship). Everyone depends upon the priests for intercession with the divine, everyone offers sacrifice and tithe. This is a shared burden everyone in the community feels. If the neighbors who have no blood of yours also call the priest "father" and also share the burden of sacrifice, then it sort of creates the illusion that you are a family, no? Kings do the same. The king is the father of his nation, and often kings and priests were the same in the oldest civilizations to compound this patriarchal structure. Tithes, taxes, familial piety turned into societal obedience.
Anonymous No.18085717 [Report] >>18085731
>>18085710
>So what the earliest nation-builders of mankind did, was create layers of metaphor and analogy, and utilized powerful social institutions to create dependencies which reinforced the inherently understandable metaphors of familial relation.
They just brute forced it by finding ways to keep people within their domain or promised something in return for complying.
Anonymous No.18085731 [Report] >>18085737
>>18085717
That only satisfies the first generation, it does not build a lasting nation. I am speaking of people who created lasting traditions and institutions, not people who conquered and enslaved. Sometimes they were one and the same, if they were truly gifted, sometimes one only came after the other. If there was no subsequent nation-building after the conquest, the conquest usually did not last very long. Sometimes even if there was an attempt to erect lasting institutions the nation still failed because it wasn't enough. The territory was too vast, the people too diverse to knit together.

Bringing people together is more than simply satisfying their material desires or using brute force to beat them down. There has to be some other force holding people together, that makes them want to be together ideally, but at the very least it has to make them not want to leave. This requires getting to the point that unity is the status quo, so the natural tendency to defend status quo works in the interest of the nation. If the "nation" is a newfangled thing which has not yet become a permanent reality in people's lives, then people will not work to preserve it on their own.
Anonymous No.18085737 [Report]
>>18085731
>That only satisfies the first generation, it does not build a lasting nation
As long as you can maintain it and make people think they have to stay to receive benefits or protection you'd last pretty long. Also helps if you can pull a convincing "either pay up or fuck off" bit
Anonymous No.18085739 [Report]
>>18085126
>Brown
That's rite, Brown GODS are religious, trad and conservative and BTFO libshit timmies
Anonymous No.18085789 [Report]
>>18085060
Literally the opposite of reality lmao, Salafis and their ilk are more powerful than ever
Anonymous No.18085793 [Report]
>>18085097
I mean that is kind of a point in liberalism's favor. It's so powerful and so fucking fake it even props up actual Al-Qaeda leaders as long as they serve their interests.
Anonymous No.18085845 [Report] >>18087171
>>18085293
isn't it cheaper in thirdies because they don't have regulations or unions which was also why all the factories were moved to China
Anonymous No.18085849 [Report] >>18086067
>>18085551
>What's your point?
It was supposed to create a better world
Anonymous No.18086000 [Report] >>18086067 >>18086534 >>18086537
>>18084901
>Who's to say that in 100 or 200 years liberalism won't also be an ideology of the past? We can see it today with the rise of right-wing populism, authoritarianism, and the rise of China.
I actually think that is probably one of the few places where fukuyama's thesis holds up well. there is no actual genuine alternative concept for governance a la communism or even reactionary monarchism back in the day. the vast majority of nations even those that are authoritarian still maintain a veneer of democratic processes to pretend they listen to the masses. the chinese system is fairly adhoc (see going from strongman leaders to consensus leadership then back again to strongman) and they do not care about exporting their government model nor do other nations wish to adopt it.
the rise of right wing populism you mention at most tries to stack the deck for their side politically, they're not overturning the system wholesale.
Anonymous No.18086067 [Report] >>18086531
>>18085849
It did.

>>18086000
Trips of truth.
Anonymous No.18086073 [Report] >>18089447
>>18084895
>>18085057
>>18084969
I want to do this.
How do I do this.
Where do I start.
Anonymous No.18086531 [Report]
>>18086067
>It did.
If so why's everyone mad
Anonymous No.18086534 [Report]
>>18086000
I ferl China was basically a retort to his whole idea that liberal democracy was the best system to operate in the modern free trade environment because it showed that you could have authoritarianism and economic prosperity without going bankrupt like the Soviets or being a retarded banana republic or tinpot dictatorship
Anonymous No.18086537 [Report]
>>18086000
I feel China was basically a retort to his whole idea that liberal democracy was the best system to operate in the modern free trade environment because it showed that you could have authoritarianism and economic prosperity without going bankrupt like the Soviets or being a retarded banana republic or tinpot dictatorship
Anonymous No.18086539 [Report]
>>18084847
Master Skywalker, there is too many of them...
Zoom Zoom No.18086584 [Report]
>>18085495
>Assad was not liberal or secular.
The Assad regime's authority and legitimacy from 1970 to until his regime fell stemmed from the fact that he fashioned himself as the defender of Syria's ethnic minorities, i.e Christians, Druze, Shias against the gigachud Islamists and preached secular nationalism.
>He aligned himself with Iran and Hezbollah.
Out of desperation and pragmatism, not out of idelogical affinity. That's also why he was eager/desperate to involve Russia given he saw Russia as a bulwark against Iran trying any funny business related to regime change or ideology.
Anonymous No.18086686 [Report] >>18088507
>>18084829 (OP)
>the most talented people can move to the best run and most welcoming cities (let's be realistic, they're not really spreading evenly throughout countries)
okay, that's great if you're one of those talented people, or someone who directly benefits from their talents
But what about everyone else? In the source countries you get brain drain, in everywhere but the top tier cities they move to you get parts of the country being left behind, even in those cities themselves you get upward pressure on rents pricing people out.
I don't think migration or free trade are bad in and of themselves, but it has winners and losers, and when all you offer the losers (who may very well outnumber the winners, especially if it's not coupled with giving them a share in the economic growth these policies create through redistributive economic policies) is contempt no shit they'll move towards more nationalistic/restrictionist positions.
t. migrant
Anonymous No.18087171 [Report]
>>18085845
>they don't have regulations or unions
That labour requirement was a result of a huge amount of lobbying and red fear mongering both from outside sources as well as internal capital and government collaboration being a heavy contributor.
Anonymous No.18087175 [Report] >>18087252 >>18087478
>>18084829 (OP)
> forced globalism destroys unique cultures and turns everyone into rootless consumer drones
> open borders just means your job gets outsourced and your town gets flooded with third worlders who hate you
> "most talented" my ass it's just corporations importing wage slaves to drive down pay
Muh potential is cope for replacing your people with more obedient workers.
Anonymous No.18087252 [Report] >>18087437
>>18087175
>> forced globalism destroys unique cultures and turns everyone into rootless consumer drones
That was the imperial era. Actually that period was either you were basically a serf/slave or worked to enrich someone else with an extreme income disparity.

>open borders just means your job gets outsourced and your town gets flooded with third worlders who hate you
>hate you
Lmao. Also jobs and industry have always moved for centuries.

>"most talented" my ass it's just corporations importing wage slaves to drive down pay
They still get the same pay or reach ot pretty quickly. You think the Ghanian Urologist and the Czech Nuclear Engineer are working for pennies?
Zoom Zoom No.18087437 [Report] >>18087458
>>18087252
>you were basically a serf/slave
Except in serfdom you at least had guaranteed housing, security, and a wife/kids, none of which you have now.
>worked to enrich someone else with an extreme income disparity
...and how is that any different from capitalism? Neoliberal, post-1991 capitalism is entirely this and nothing else.
>Lmao
You say this as if billionaires that live entirely different lives seperate from normalfags yet still claim dominion of them are comparable to feudal lords or priests that live amongst the normalfags every day.
>jobs and industry have always moved for centuries
And we've had countless revolts and violent wars related to those things too.
>You think the Ghanian Urologist and the Czech Nuclear Engineer are working for pennies?
No, we're saying that the Ghanian Urologist and the Czech Nuclear Engineer leave Ghana and Czechia for Britain and France, thus leaving Ghana and Czechia worse off while undercutting the native British or French equivalents.
Anonymous No.18087458 [Report] >>18087491 >>18088111
>>18087437
>Except in serfdom you at least had guaranteed housing, security, and a wife/kids
Not at all.
>Neoliberal, post-1991 capitalism is entirely this and nothing else.
Back in the day forced labour and captive markets were much more rampant.
>we've had countless revolts and violent wars related to those things too.
Not really
>leaving Ghana and Czechia worse off while undercutting the native British or French equivalents.
You do know people move back and forth+remittance is a thing? Also undercutting people for working the same job and pay as everyone else? Holy shit you are irreversible brain damaged
Anonymous No.18087478 [Report]
>>18087175
>forced globalism destroys unique cultures and turns everyone into rootless consumer drones
Everyone was supposed to express their native culture like a big global talent show
Anonymous No.18087491 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
It failed because reality showed it was a pipe dream. Also it's believers like >>18087458
are retarded. So that probably doesn't help
Zoom Zoom No.18088111 [Report] >>18088125 >>18088155 >>18088160 >>18088384 >>18088386
>>18087458
>Not at all.
Everything in feudalism was based around an established network of guilds, churches, and families. People lived lives that were more fulfilling and satisfying depsite being materially and physically far worse.
>Back in the day forced labour and captive markets were much more rampant
As opposed to now where subsidized "migrant" labor fills the same niche as serfdom/slavery did, or that the structure of wage labor, finance, and central banking more broadly isn't a form of "captive market" due to the rise of monopolies and trusts?
>Not really
Pretty much all of Western history since the American Revolution has had to do with Western countries fucking up their economies and people turning towards various radical solutions. Be it France's revolutions, the rise and fall of the German Empire/Third Reich, the rise and fall of the Russian Empire/USSR, colonialism abolishing itself, or the rise and fall of the U.S.
>You do know people move back and forth+remittance is a thing?
You think a Ghanian urologist in the UK would want to move back to Ghana? They only go there to either visit or help bring their families with them to the UK which compounds the demographic and fiscal problems dumbass.
Also, funny enough the example you posted of Czechia is an exhibit A example of why this model doesn't work. People like Poles and Czechs stopped going to the UK in the 2010s because their countries' economies managed to get out of the post-Soviet funk by enacting far more sensible fiscal reforms/restructuring, while the UK continued this vicious neoliberal cycle and are nearing the bottom of it now.
>undercutting people for working the same job and pay as everyone else
Do you fucking seriously think thirdies on work visas get paid the same as citizens? That's why they're brought here retard.
Anonymous No.18088125 [Report]
>>18088111
>Do you fucking seriously think thirdies on work visas get paid the same as citizens
In the white collar jobs pretty much all of them. For the shitty jobs that pay pennies they have close or equal wages. If you mean illegals then yeah they undercut people but that's a farming and construction issue
Anonymous No.18088155 [Report] >>18088202
>>18088111
>As opposed to now where subsidized "migrant" labor fills the same niche as serfdom/slavery did, or that the structure of wage labor, finance, and central banking more broadly isn't a form of "captive market" due to the rise of monopolies and trusts?
A guy from Kenya and Indonesia can both buy a smartphone from China and South Korea without getting fucked by colonial bureaucracy and back to back ethnic/settler middlemen on the way in and out and then communicate with each other freely. In the colonial era, even an Anglo white man could get major fines and get arrested by the Belgians if he made a business transaction with a Congolese man across the border and if he wanted to contact anyone in Africa from a different imperial power he would have to get his telegram/message sent from African to Britain, the to the owner of the colony and then have that get sent back to Africa. People have options now.
Anonymous No.18088160 [Report]
>>18088111
>People like Poles and Czechs stopped going to the UK in the 2010s because their countries' economies managed to get out of the post-Soviet funk by enacting far more sensible fiscal reforms/restructuring, while the UK continued this vicious neoliberal cycle and are nearing the bottom of it now.
Being racist chuds and antagonizing immigrants made them seek out other options. The same is now occurring with other immigrants either bailing out early or going to better paying locales.
Zoom Zoom No.18088202 [Report] >>18088514 >>18089166
>>18088155
>People have options now.
Yet if that guy were to buy said phone he'd have to do so through a payment processor, which is its own form of middleman.
And again, this is a non-answer to my critique.
Anonymous No.18088384 [Report] >>18088846
>>18088111
>Everything in feudalism was based around an established network of guilds, churches, and families
Guess what happened if you weren't part of a guild, your family wasn't well connected and you weren't religious
Anonymous No.18088386 [Report] >>18088846
>>18088111
>People like Poles and Czechs stopped going to the UK in the 2010s because their countries' economies managed to get out of the post-Soviet funk by enacting far more sensible fiscal reforms/restructuring, while the UK continued this vicious neoliberal cycle and are nearing the bottom of it now.
It was literally because of Brexit
Anonymous No.18088401 [Report]
>>18085557
"Yeah man san francisco is the same as Oklahoma they speak the same language".
"Yeah and don't forget that Scotland and America are the same - they speak the same language, follow the same two main religions and secularism, there's no reason to distinguish them except by geography".

>>18085645
He won't but I'll take just kicking the shit out of H1 Visas and eroding pajeet nepotism.
Anonymous No.18088507 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
>>18084843
>>18086686
DURRR WOT IF WE SEPARATED OFF ALL THE SMART PEOPLE INNIT?

HEGEL? SOUNDS JEWISH.
Anonymous No.18088514 [Report] >>18088846
>>18088202
>Yet if that guy were to buy said phone he'd have to do so through a payment processor, which is its own form of middleman.
Bitcoin solves this
Anonymous No.18088580 [Report] >>18089148
>>18085097
>alwaites
I guess taking revenge on those that killed you is somehow evil. Interesting cuckhold you are
Zoom Zoom No.18088846 [Report] >>18089146 >>18089146 >>18089162
>>18088514
>Bitcoin solves this
And you think crypto doesn't serve the same purpose? You could argue maybe Monero, but stuff like Ethereum and BTC is just the same thing with an even faker currency.
>>18088386
>It was literally because of Brexit
Poles and Eastern Euros started leaving after the 2008 crash.
And again, in theory Britain (especially post-Brexit) is a neoliberal utopia regarding fiscal and social policy and yet it's easily the shittiest country in Western Europe.
>>18088384
>Guess what happened if you weren't part of a guild, your family wasn't well connected and you weren't religious
Cagots and similar classes were microscopic minorities in those time periods, and even then it was easy to just disappear and move into another city or village and just bullshit your way into a new identity whenever something happened in your area.
Anonymous No.18089146 [Report] >>18089363
>>18088846
>And you think crypto doesn't serve the same purpose? You could argue maybe Monero, but stuff like Ethereum and BTC is just the same thing with an even faker currency.
There's no middleman it's trustless and distributed

>>18088846
>even then it was easy to just disappear and move into another city or village and just bullshit your way into a new identity whenever something happened in your area.
Serfs weren't allowed to leave their property bro
Anonymous No.18089148 [Report]
>>18088580
read the rest of the post faggot
Anonymous No.18089162 [Report] >>18089239
>>18088846
>And again, in theory Britain (especially post-Brexit) is a neoliberal utopia regarding fiscal and social policy and yet it's easily the shittiest country in Western Europe.
So do you think it was the austerity that killed the dream because market primacy failed to deliver on the promise of continuous economic growth
Anonymous No.18089166 [Report]
>>18088202
>Yet if that guy were to buy said phone he'd have to do so through a payment processor
Not comparable to both the Kenyan and Indonesian being locked to their powers currency, both being restricted in their economic activity or possibly outright banned owning device that could let them talk to some guy across the border as well as actually having the option to buy what they want within their budget versus "whatever outdated slop the metropole ships". The "payment processor" you speak of is a third party but they have choices on that, they can also just buy the phones from an Kenyan/Indonesian who imports the goods for them, they can also buy it from retailers within their countries.
Zoom Zoom No.18089239 [Report] >>18089401
>>18089162
>So do you think it was the austerity that killed the dream because market primacy failed to deliver on the promise of continuous economic growth
There's so many things that killed the British economy that it's really hard to point the finger at any one thing. I'd say overall it's a combination of a few factors:
1. Austerity. Intending on cutting down an established postwar European welfare state to stimulate the economy while failing to have a serious strategy or approach, thus resulting in a piecemeal, broken, and often bankrupt state. Not that this can't be done successfully (as it was in former Warsaw Pact states like Czechia and Poland), but the way the UK has gone about it has particularly been disastrous, especially with the two other major factors sinking the UK.
2. Mass migration. Britain since Blair went all-in on the idea that mass immigration would be a silver bullet for the demographic crunch that could topple the fragile, battered welfare state, modelling post-Brexit UK off of Singapore's migration laws; only for them to do so in a fashion so incompetent and haphazard it could be argued it was intentional or had ulterior motives. And finally,
3. Overambition in foreign policy. The UK is grossly overextended internationally, pretty much following or even goading the U.S into any and every intervention possible abroad, be it Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, etc. For a country trying to downsize and settle down (presumably like Japan), the UK literally can't afford to be everywhere all at once, not to mention the fact that these interventions often blow up or have negative consequences long-term. The UK either needs to pick it's battles or let the U.S do the heavy lifting, because these wars have seriously fucked with the British economy and military since the 00s.
There's other issues like social policy and internal integration of the economy, but these three are the big and unaddressed issues that have sunk the 21st century UK.
Zoom Zoom No.18089363 [Report] >>18089428 >>18089441
>>18089146
>it's trustless and distributed
Do you think the average poorfag in Kenya or Indonesia can afford to routinely do transactions in Bitcoin/crypto, or that his country has the infrastructure to support it?
>Serfs weren't allowed to leave their property bro
You just said this theoretical guy wasn't a Serf nor a normalfag. Again, it was very easy back then to just set up shop and go somewhere else with a made-up identity.
Anonymous No.18089401 [Report] >>18089422
>>18089239
Yeah the mass migration was the second thing on my mind and number 3 is correct but I think a contributing factor is their complex about their former imperial pre-emimence (which the French also have with their own military spending and interventions in French-speaking Africa, although they were wise enough not to be involved in Iraq). For the longest time they were playing this whole "we're the more refined/cultured and elite counterpart of the rude crude US" role but they were never particularly more brilliant nor better run than the US since at least World War 2 if not the start of the 20th century.
Anonymous No.18089422 [Report]
>>18089401
It's a good thing his is obsessed with black cock so it mentions race constantly. Even in a thread like this so it economics you still throw in race. Keep spamming black cock. Keep being retarded. Keep being American.
Anonymous No.18089428 [Report] >>18089440 >>18089441
>>18089363
>Do you think the average poorfag in Kenya or Indonesia can afford to routinely do transactions in Bitcoin/crypto, or that his country has the infrastructure to support it?
Thirdies are some of the people most massively into crypto, they're able to access it because cell networks made cheap internet access possible

>You just said this theoretical guy wasn't a Serf nor a normalfag. Again, it was very easy back then to just set up shop and go somewhere else with a made-up identity.
That was another anon you were discussing with and I missed that point from an earlier post. Still, you couldn't just move to another city and join the guild there since they had entrance requirements, and you couldn't join the aristocracy unless you were ennobled. They had methods of identity validation like personal seals. The church was the main avenue of mobility, but that came with its own set of restrictions, and later merchanting became profitable as well, and the pursuit of commerce because of how lucrative it was ended up in the world we have today. So the people of the past did desire the material prosperity of modernity despite the comforts that they had, and the legacy of their ambitions, the social and financial systems that they set up to maximize return on investment, factor majorly into the alienation that we see today. They took things like family and community and religion for granted, as things that were perennial, transcendental or natural, and couldn't forsee a world in which they are as devastated as they are today.
Anonymous No.18089440 [Report]
>>18089428
Buttcoin is a scam. You're all tards and will die of meth within six months. His is a retard board.
Anonymous No.18089441 [Report]
>>18089363
>>18089428
To illustrate my point medieval peasants had a fantasy of a land called Cockaigne where there was lots of food and easy sex and no religious restrictions. Sound like any place we know?
Anonymous No.18089447 [Report] >>18089462
>>18086073
create a substack like I did and gain a following
Anonymous No.18089462 [Report] >>18089484
>>18089447
But is this voluntary or something forced as gunpoint to pay rent.
Anonymous No.18089484 [Report] >>18089529
>>18089462
lmao, no. I just do it for fun, man. relax.
Anonymous No.18089529 [Report] >>18089604 >>18089637
>>18089484
Capitalism will collapse. His will die of meth in six months. You alone will survive
Anonymous No.18089563 [Report] >>18089675 >>18090643
I unironically believe all Western societies are going to do a full 180 and go super trad as a response to the decades of libtard progressive decay. We're gonna make it bros
Anonymous No.18089604 [Report]
>>18089529
sure, okay. duly noted. weirdo.
Anonymous No.18089630 [Report]
>>18085440
NTA (>>18085403) but your writing is unironically terrible. Typos and misused punctuation are one thing, but you just have entire sentences that meander and aren’t internally sound. It’s like you started writing a sentence, got distracted by a squirrel, and just appended the back end of your next thought onto that unfinished sentence. Pic related. Wtf are you trying to say?

This is all criticism of form. It’s easy to write that off as superfluous, sure. But the content is garbage as well. It’s like a 15 year old saw an Adam Curtis film and then tried to ape that tone with the content he’s absorbed from his last week of 4chan scrolling.

Going into academia? In modern academia they’ll let any shitter who’s paid for a bachelor’s and master’s work as an adjunct lecturer for poverty wages and no security. If you want to do that fine, but if this is the quality of your writing that’s as far as you’ll go, and it’s not something to brag about.

Are you like 40 and going back for a bachelor’s degree in history? Pull your head out of your ass man, Jesus.
Anonymous No.18089635 [Report]
>>18085687
No, Chinese got their own law. Indians were excluded along with all Asians (except Filipinos) in the 1924 reform to immigration. There really were barely any Indians in North America prior to like the 1980s
Anonymous No.18089637 [Report] >>18089649
>>18089529
you said

>You'll die of peak oil in SIX MONTHS

over 10 months ago

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17390591/#17390591

Why haven't I died of peak oil yet? What are you thoughts on this? Please explain it to me as you are clearly more intelligent than me. As I understand it I should have died 4 months ago, since 10 - 6 = 4, yet I am still alive. What is going on?
Anonymous No.18089649 [Report]
>>18089637
I was wrong. I said I was wrong about peak oil. I now believe you'll die of meth. But more importantly, as jidf, you'll obviously die of Iranian drones while shitposting.
Hopefully, Iran will trace your IP address through rackspace and not your proxy. Then, you'll be targeted and killed.
The entire process might take a few months. It might take up to six months.
It has to be done on an individual basis and you can't assume other posters survived. If you are killed by an Iranian drone, you die
Anonymous No.18089675 [Report]
>>18089563w
>go super trad as a response to the decades of libtard progressive decay.
People can barely make decent mashed potatoes and you think a return to "trad" would work?
Anonymous No.18089687 [Report] >>18089756 >>18091486 >>18091494
>>18084829 (OP)
>>18084847
The problem is the high IQ races became decadent cucks. If every white boy was taught self-discipline as they were before boomers, then any Indian immigrants to the west would face a brick wall. Why would you want some literal who adult man with poor personal hygiene from the other side of the world handling your food and delivering your pizza instead of a local teenager? Why would you hire an obvious scam artist with a fake diploma from the university of Jeetshitpedopur? Why wouldn't you beat someone you catch streetshitting? Why wouldn't you lynch grooming gangs such as the Pakistani rape gangs who were raping white kids as early as 1999, over 25 years ago? Why would you call the families who came forward to the police "racist"? Only in our "tolerant" "inclusive" "diverse" society of course.

Liberalism only succeeds in a deeply socially conservative society. Here a (genuinely) educated Indian man could succeed, but he would not be able to escape scrutiny of the barbarous elements of his religion and culture which would be laid bare as well as the completely logical suspicion that he is merely faking his belief in western values, such as not raping kids. It might seem distasteful for beloved Indians like Ben Kingsley to be subject to this sort of treatment, but it is no worse than the left constantly bringing up slavery, colonialism and jim crow that ended before anyone was born and accusing their soiboy millennial coworkers of "racial microaggressions" so they can get promoted in their place despite being less qualified as per DEI.

No, it would not be immoral, it would not even contradict liberal ideals. The problem is squarely that western white people became total cucks.
Anonymous No.18089689 [Report] >>18089724 >>18089756 >>18091534
>>18085645
>>18085665
>dude they're gonna kill Dae browns o algx conservative mutts in shartistan are stuck playing a power fantasy in their head that will never happen
Anonymous No.18089724 [Report]
>>18089689
what does one brown person smacking another brown person prove
Anonymous No.18089729 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
There's a finite amount of "wealth" to increase people's quality of life with, and its dependent on industries and nations producing a surplus of wealth to divert to personal elevation. You can have a minority of nations with sufficient national production who can divert the excess to raising their next generation and growing, or you can give everything away to the hungry mouths of the world in hope they end up like you and break the sustainability of the economic engine that advanced you in the first place.

You can't reasonably expect the already struggling economies of the western world to magically raise up the cultural, religious, and economic condition of six billion people to an equal standard when it took sometimes hundreds of years for them to reach that point from and economic, cultural, and religious standpoint. It actually takes more money and investment to counteract the psychology of groups of people who believe in djinns than it does a native, and trying to do both just results in both being impoverished and abandoning the premise of global progressivism altogether when they fight from a fraction of what was promised.
Zoom Zoom No.18089756 [Report] >>18089867 >>18089881
>>18089687
>Liberalism only succeeds in a deeply socially conservative society.
That's why I'm increasingly not a fan of liberalism itself. I think liberalism itself is what destroys social conservatism and traditional values via individualism, materialism, and social atomization. The only exceptions so far are very homogenous societies like Japan, but even then I'd argue liberalism is what's killing Japan due to the protestant work ethic grindset meme imported from Germany and the postwar U.S (which funny enough is now becoming a problem in Western countries too on top of all the other issues we have).
>>18089689
If the U.S truly falls into complete irrelevance due to either a dramatic, violent event or a more gradual if still fast decline due to the browning of the country turning it into neo-Brazil, I'll be achingly sad for the rest of my life.
But I'll take solace in the fact that the U.S under the rule of my people, the "heritage Americans" became the first democratic hegemon since Rome, defeated Germany twice, singlehandedly beat the Japanese at their height, and stared down the USSR to death while inventing electricity, flight, the telephone, the internet, and landing men on the moon several times over, which is considered to be the highest point ever reached by humanity (and could very well be the highest point we'll reach for hundreds of years).
I'll laugh knowing the brown horde so smug about usurping the old stock Whites will never again reach the heights my ancestors and their ethnic kin reached, and that the late 20th century will forever be considered by historians the high point of America and humanity as a whole.
Anonymous No.18089814 [Report] >>18089818
>>18084829 (OP)
They didn't count on the Russians being brutish apes and the Chinese being duplicitous authoritarian scammers despite all of Russian and Chinese history.
Zoom Zoom No.18089818 [Report]
>>18089814
>They didn't count on the Russians being brutish apes
In all fairness the book was published in 1002. Nobody saw Russia coming back anytime soon, while the West was hilariously ignorant/naive of China's schemes.
Anonymous No.18089863 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
I really fucking hate this RAND gook and his pseud cocksuckers.
Israel running amok in the shittle east, Azerijeets ethnically cleansing Armenians, the EU and UK curtailing freedom of expression through the DSA and OSA, America becoming more centralized under the presidency, global trade wars with the US specifically targeting Europe to neuter it and the absolutely oppressive, corporate cultural landscape of the 2010s and 2020s.
"Liberalism" is dead in the water but I am sure this sophist gook will find a way to twist this into a huge win for "liberalism" because Europe gets flooded with fucking moslem turd worlders and stocks are shooting up to absurd heights,enriching all those jews in the financial institutions on the cost of everybody else. Because thats "liberal", when there is a fucking Syrian living next to you and a bunch of banks rob your country blind.
He is also on record agitating against free speech.
https://rumble.com/v3zo54s-francis-fukuyama-free-speech-is-outdated.html
How will liberalism win? By banning all other ideas!
I hate this fucker.
Anonymous No.18089867 [Report] >>18091541
>>18089756
>liberalism itself is what destroys social conservatism and traditional values via individualism, materialism, and social atomization
This happened very quickly in the 1960s, post new deal and civil rights "liberalism" is very different from 19th century classical liberalism which did not threaten trad values at all.

One might assume because white people lived in high trust monoethnic societies back then this was the intention of their Monarchs and landowners, but the fact these same groups imported millions of Africans to the Americas proves they would betray their own people if there is economic gain to be had. The only reason Australia is white is because liberals in Britain were horrified at the idea of filling this temperate grain growing paradise with 'jeets, preferring the lowest petty criminal whites instead.

Modern authoritarian regimes have proven just as capable of doing so, perhaps not that of der Führer, however it is a risk relying on the personal whims of an autocrat, Putin and Lukashenko for example have begun to flood their own countries. Also let's not forget he rose to power democratically.

>liberalism is what's killing Japan due to the protestant work ethic grindset meme imported from Germany
The same applies to Japan, Japan has recently begun to import 'jeets., its different culture only delayed pozzing. People worked very hard and earned far less in the 19th century yet still had tons of kids so it doesn't really explain it.
Anonymous No.18089881 [Report] >>18090633
>>18089756
>traditional values
i.e. what led to the extinction of the Native Americans
Anonymous No.18090206 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
>this time it will be different
Anonymous No.18090214 [Report]
>>18084847
Imagine? Already happening. Train save us all!
Zoom Zoom No.18090633 [Report]
>>18089881
>what led to the extinction of the Native Americans
That was disease. Even if the Natives were on par with Europeans technologically disease still would've just raped them into the dirt.
Anonymous No.18090643 [Report]
>>18089563
Do you think that the neo-trad West will be better, though, or is it going to be like Diocletian's Rome. Like are we just going to divide the world up into America's sphere Russia's sphere, China's sphere, and whatever in an unstable arrangement that's going to break and turn into a shitshow again after a few decades
Anonymous No.18091486 [Report]
>>18089687
The real problem is that whites, or at least their elites, have always been cheap cucks that offload labor as soon as they find a cheaper alternative. Slavery, indentured servitude, blackbirding, coolies, and outsourcing, have infinite race to the bottom in terms of labor costs. So of course once the profit margins are in danger due to declining birthrates they immediately decide to import millions from developing nations to keep the economy afloat.

This process has been ongoing for 500 years and in retrospect should have been completely obvious from a wider historical standpoint.
Anonymous No.18091494 [Report]
>>18089687
>The problem is the high IQ races became decadent cucks.
>high IQ
IQ isn't some power level metric. No one gives a shit about IQ if you can't actually work in an organized setting.
Anonymous No.18091508 [Report]
>>18084829 (OP)
>the most talented people
Do not have everyone's best interests at heart, which is why when you give richfags a free hand they enserf ordinary people and create a dystopia.
Anonymous No.18091523 [Report]
>>18084852
Dishonest or just retarded? Obviously fewer Indians were coming to western countries before the shift from Keynesianism to open border neoliberal nonsense, if you're talking about plantation colonies in the Pacific then you're even dumber for drawing that equivalence.
Anonymous No.18091534 [Report]
>>18089689
>dude they're gonna kill Dae browns
no need, winning darwin awards is about the only thing you people are good for
Anonymous No.18091541 [Report] >>18092177
>>18089867
Tajikistan has only 10 million people, if every single one of them moved to Moscow they still wouldn't be the majority.
Anonymous No.18092177 [Report] >>18092242 >>18092261
>>18091541
What if all of India moved to Moscow?
Zoom Zoom No.18092242 [Report]
>>18092177
>What if all of India moved to Moscow?
What's horrifying is that all of India could easily move to everywhere else and there'd still be hundreds of millions of them.
Anonymous No.18092261 [Report] >>18092686 >>18093188
>>18092177
can't because they've already moved to toronto, north texas, and london
Anonymous No.18092686 [Report]
>>18092261
There's 1 billion of them and still some left over
Anonymous No.18093188 [Report]
>>18092261
They could triple Russia’s population and still have over a billion people