Thread 18097568

The Messiah is a person who will live up to a series of prophetic expectations and partake of an era marked by particular characteristics. In absence of such being the case, Jesus cannot possibly be the Messiah.
>The whole world will worship the One God of Israel. Isaiah 2:11-17, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9
Currently large swaths of humanity do not worship the One God of Israel.
>Knowledge of God will fill the world. Isaiah 11:9, 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9,16, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalm 86:9
Note that this is knowledge of God - not simply unsubstantiated faith in God. Even amongst the faithful, such knowledge is rare.
>All Israelites will be returned to their homeland Isaiah 11:12, 27:12-13, Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24, Deuteronomy 30:3
Though there are more Jews today living in the Land of Israel than there have been since the exile began nearly 2,000 years ago - there is still a large diaspora consisting of millions of Jews.
>The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness. Isaiah 51:11
The Jewish people have been historically subject to a great degree of persecution (the Holocaust, the Inquisition, pogroms, etc.) and while generally our condition has improved, we are still a perpetual target.
>Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel. Isaiah 52:13-53:5
While modern Germany as a nation-state does much to repent of its history (i.e. the Holocaust), various states and human institutions with much blood and guilt on their hands, to this day either remain silent, white-wash/cover up history, or in some perverse instances even exult in it.

>>18097568 (OP)
>The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance. Zechariah 8:23
While there is today an emerging interest in observance of the Noahide laws (the Torah's universal laws of man), there still has not been an en masse turn towards learned Torah observant Jews for guidance in spiritual matters.
>Weapons of war will be destroyed. Ezekiel 39:9
One need only momentarily consider the trillions spent on arms by nations such as the U.S., China and Russia as well as the existence of an immense military industrial complex to realize that this is not the condition we find ourselves in today.
>A person’s genealogical/tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father. Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17
Jesus whose alleged sketchy genealogy is maternal cannot possibly be a verifiable descendent of the tribe of Judah.
>The Temple will be rebuilt. Micah 4:1, Ezekiel 40-42, Isaiah 2:2-3, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14:20-21,
The Third Temple is not a metaphor, it is not symbolic of a man. There will be an actual physical building where all of the ritualistic components that the Torah commands be implemented, will be administered by Leviim (Levites) and Kohanim (Priests).

>>18097570
>World Peace: Isaiah 2:4, 11:6, 60:18 Micah 4:1-4, Hosea 2:20
The list of ongoing military conflicts is too long to list here. One can hardly pick up a newspaper or hear a news report without being informed of the latest battle, bombing, strike, etc.
>Christianity claims that Jesus "Fulfilled the law," i.e. the law is abrogated and need not any longer be observed.
Deut. 13:2-7 concerns the "false prophet" - if one arises who attempts to draw the Jewish people away from Torah observance then he is to be identified as such. The Torah's commandments are an eternally binding covenant with the Jews, God is not a whimsical being subject to a willy nilly changing of the rules - "God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent" (Num. 23:19)
>All Jews will embrace Torah observance. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8-10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27.
It is fairly obvious that as the situation stands today, lamentably only a very small percentage of Jews live in observance of the Torah. Secularism has widely been embraced by Jews and some even go so far as deeming such virtuous.
>Jesus cannot be a part of God, not him, anybody or anything. Deut 6:4.
The idea of the Messiah actually partaking of divinity is anathema to Torah Judaism. God is ONE. His oneness is inviolable and is not that of a compound unity (like twelve eggs make one dozen, or three divinities make one god).

>>18097573
The law is eternal.
>Genesis 17:9, Exodus 12:14, 12:17, 12:24 12:43, 13:3, 27:21, 28:43, 29:9, 30:21, 31:17, 34:27, Leviticus 3:17, 6:22, 7:34-36, 10:9, 10:15, 16:29, 16:31, 16:34, 17:7, 23:14, 23:21, 23:31, 23:41, 24:3, 26:46, Numbers 10:8, 15:15, 19:10, 19:21, 18:23, 35:29, Deuteronomy 4:40, 5:29, 12:28, 18:5, 28:46, 29:28-29, 32:40, Joshua 1:8, 2 Kings 17:37, Isaiah 34:17, 40:8, 57:16, Hosea 2:19, Daniel 7:18, 1 Chronicles 17:22, 23:13, 2 Chronicles 2:4, Psalms 111:7-8, 119:44, 119:52, 119:142, 119:160, 148:6
...and that there are no references to it ever passing away.

>>18097580
Rambam: (H. Melakhim Ch. 11):
>In the future, the Messianic king will arise and renew the Davidic dynasty, restoring it to its initial sovereignty. He will build the Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel. Then, in his days, the observance of all the statutes will return to their previous state. We will offer sacrifices, observe the Sabbatical and Jubilee years according to all their particulars as described by the Torah...
>If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance, consider him Moshiah. If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Moshiah. He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose.' If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not the redeemer promised by the Torah.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1188356/jewish/Chapter-11.htm

>>18097583
On a second coming…

The Messiah will basically be a human religious leader and a warrior king born of a young woman. He will not die and come back, rather he will live a mortal life within which he fulfills prophetic expectations. Bar Kochba (who led the rebellion against Roman occupation), was once considered as a messianic candidate. However, once he died and thus failed to live up to the aforementioned expectations, the Sages effectively shrugged and said "oh well... he wasn't it." To borrow a phrase "The God of the Hebrew Bible sends the messianic king to accomplish his end, not to follow a two-part script in which the hero tragically dies and the words 'to be continued' suddenly appear on the screen."

>>18097568 (OP)
Worship is idolatry. The body of Christ needs not worship and must not, because as the body which forms God their worship is sacrilegious.

We have a cure for your blindness and it is to be baptised by the body of Christ until you either see God or are delivered into the fire so that you can not interfere with salvation by spreading your poisonous devil worship.

Stop worshiping devils and start being Christian.

>>18097608
You haven’t addressed a single one of my arguments goy. You worship the bastard child of Pantera and you have not responded to a single one of my refutations.

Enjoy Hell goy.

>>18097627
>You worship
Worship is idolatry. The body of Christ needs not worship and must not, because as the body which forms God their worship is sacrilegious.

>>18097639
Yes, jesus was a jew who was killed by jews because some jews didn't like how he defined Israel. Refusing to forsake the lost sheep and uncultivated branches really pissed off the pharisees, so they made up excuses to kill him.

>>18097639
Yes, jesus was a jew who was killed by jews because some jews didn't like how he defined Israel. Refusing to forsake the lost sheep and wild branches really pissed off the pharisees, so they made up excuses to kill him.

>Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
>For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
>He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not
>Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted
>But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed
>All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all
>He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb so he openeth not his mouth.
>He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
>And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
>Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand
>He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities
>Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors

>>18097568 (OP)
All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional

Politics is Treachery
Religion is Brainwashing

>>18097568 (OP)
Didnt he say we would do greater things than he? Well it was also written that none may boast. Anyway you worrying with titles and worldly status is kind of what Christ warned about so no sale.

>>18097568 (OP)
>The Jewish people have been historically subject to a great degree of persecution (the Holocaust, the Inquisition, pogroms, etc.) and while generally our condition has improved, we are still a perpetual target
>we
Aaaaaaahhhhhhhgh

>>18097568 (OP)
B-but he rose into Jerusalem on a donkey. And they cast lots for his clothes. Look, he just put all the impressive stuff off until his second coming. Yeah the Old Testament never said anything about the Messiah coming multiple times but he was feeling kinda lazy and it's his prerogative.