Thread 18119281

What started the current trend of progressive feminist fascism?
Can we blame Margret Thatcher the era of political pick me's and how has this sort of counter alignment worked itself out in the past

>>18119281 (OP)
I'm reading "A History of Fascism, 1914-1945" by Stanley Payne, and I'm still early on where he's going into new right movements in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. There were actually a bunch of new parties and groups and tendencies, and while the fascists emerged out of that, it was actually quite varied. Also the fascists were very radical in comparison to other currents on the right who were either monarchists, or conservative authoritarians who wanted to work within a parliamentary framework, or national-conservative monarchists who wanted to combine monarchism and nationalism (which was not what monarchism was like in 1810, it was far more built around dynasties and royal bloodlines without the nationalism). The legitimist groups like Action Française were way more influential in France, and Payne made the point that there was a sort of general reaction going on to 19th-century liberalism and materialism, and they could look back to something like legitimism and make it seem fresh again, even though they were doing something different and new as well.

I think something like that is probably going on today. You have more energy on the right, and the right has been reinventing itself, and you see the right rummaging through the past to find old stuff which seems fresh again. And one of those sources is fascism, but it's not really the same thing as fascism. In fact they're a bunch of national conservatives, but the youth wing plays with fascist memes or something. Simply the fact that there's a lot of women in leading positions is totally 21st century. There are open gays and lesbians (Alice Wiedel).

>>18119281 (OP)
Aphrodite Latinopoulou is another one, the Greek version

>>18119281 (OP)
None of these are fascists. They are radical leftists by 1920's standards ffs calling for no immigration isn't fascism.

>>18119302
They're doing a lot of work to repackage what is considered traditional but they feel like a hollow marketing gimmick used just for the woke aesthetic. I'm British and hate Thatcher but at least I could see the argument in her case. Their new policies have hindsight on their side but outdo her in terms of kicking out the ladder from underneath people who have already succeeded. Unlike Thatcher their policies hurt their potential voting block making things harder for young families, naturally nationalist sectors like farming.

>>18119322
They barely have any left wing policies despite their identity politic style arguments, even in terms of women's right their policies would limit them more than any of the mainstream conservatives..

>>18119338
This is all relative left-right spectrum crap which changes radically with different time periods. If their position on women's rights is the most right-wing in the past 60 years, all it reflects upon is the last 60 years being extremely left-wing on women's rights.

>>18119281 (OP)
The kosher right, filled with women and weak men and exists solely to attack whoever is a threat to Jewish power. These goytoys are even more pathetic than Zion Don and the rest of American cuckservatives, sad that its even possible for people to stoop lower than the orange conman

>>18119342
Women's rights are just one axiom that should be the easiest left leaning political issue you would expect them to push. Some of them are anti nato but most are still globalists so being anti immigration is arguably their most left wing policy. However they aren't pro worker or pro welfare so they in no meaningful way are they economically left either.

>>18119302
>Oh my god guys... This is JUST like my wholesome animu
I mean I like Evangelion but c'mon

>>18119281 (OP)
>What started the current trend of progressive feminist fascism?
High IQ liberal feminist lesbians are able to break out of the highly socially conditioned matrix NPC women are enslaved in and see that letting in infinity sub 100 IQ third worlders to their country is a bad thing.

Thats literally it.

>>18119281 (OP)
>maintain the status quo on feminism, the cancer that destroyed society
>send back the migrants, people that come from patriarchal societies and don't care about women's rights
>maintain the white basedboys that allowed feminism to happen
>suck Israel's dick 24/7
Literally the worst position of them all, good thing the lack of births will kill this idiotic movement

>>18119342
>If their position on women's rights is the most right-wing in the past 60 years, all it reflects upon is the last 60 years being extremely left-wing on women's rights.
There have been major changes in societies because of industrialization, urbanization, business and just economics really. Japan is a different place than it was 100 years ago. Before World War II, nearly half the population there made their living from farming. In Germany it wasn't much lower.

Rightists tend to idealize the past, and in the past the relations between the sexes were different, and a big part of that was the agricultural society. Actually restoring that is utopian because it doesn't make sense to have half the population tied down in labor-intensive farming when you can have 1% produce vastly more food with machinery, but what right-wing parties do is find ways to accomodate themselves to the new situation they find themselves in.

>>18119452
>>18119452
>send back the migrants
if only

>>18119281 (OP)
Since middle ages

>>18119281 (OP)
It's proof that modernity is all-encompassing and unbeatable. You get ahead even on the right if you belong to groups that gynozog deems lesser than straight white men.

>>18119326
Thatcher destroyed Britain's industry.

>>18119302
Based Misato enjoyer.

I like Meloni she's hilarious

>>18119302
fascism is the way

>>18119281 (OP)
It was ripe for the picking, and will only fester in the rightwing turn affecting the world. Feminism, race equality, religious freedom and LGBT+ rights were all combined under the umbrella of tolerance, "let them live", "you do you" and a general idea of freedom of expression. However, it is too good to last.

>feminism
Women in power can choose to simply only cater to biological men and women. Oh, what if a person was biologically neither? Well shit, you are a minority, fuck you. Most women would rather get actual childcare and maternity rights or abuse survivor rights instead of trans crap.

>LGBT+
All divided. If you are a transmasc, fuck you for siding with the oppressor gender (male). LGB's are often looking to break away from the rest as historically the LGB worked and attained their hard-earned freedom, atop which the trannies and the rest rode on. Now that the latter is starting to be a bunch of problematic idiots that can't stay quiet, a break is incoming.

>religious freedom
*cough* *cough* Islam? Judaism? Christofascism? Anybody? Again, the paradox of tolerance rears its ugly head.

>racial equality
"let's allow other races to immigrate. what's this, they are more racist than we are and stopping any real assimilation? how is it that the indians of 4chan are making jeet hate posts to larp as white? why do turks support white supremacy? they aren't white, why?!"

paradox of tolerance. ppl had enough, hence the rightwing turn of the globe.

Techno-modernity is an operating system you can’t uninstall.

>>18119281 (OP)
>>18119302
>MFW the Spirit of History progresses.

>>18119281 (OP)
These parties could probably actually win an election if they replaced these bitches with men. Women just give off a weak vibe and statistically due worse against men in elections.

Meloni doesn’t count because Italians are all faggot mommas boys.

>>18121449
The gook in the top right literally just won in Japan

>>18119281 (OP)
Brown men being apes

>>18119281 (OP)
Women (empowered and egoistical gender) are allowed to be fascist and men (cucked and LONGHOUSED gender) aren't.

>>18119452
kys shitskin

>>18120252
>Yuri
Cringe

>>18119354
I dislike jews as much as the next guy but I fail to understand the appeal of left wing pro-Palestine politics.

>>18119390
and yet, they'll continue to blame men instead of jews.

>>18123512
>jeet spammer

Being female and playing conservative is actually ironically way easier than the other way around because you're already appealing to social and societal norms, and are pushing positions where elites will basically just funnel money into your bank account.
Where look at the left, any "radical woman" is basically forced to play along with every woke shibboleth, cry all the fucking time and basically be a Tik Tok politician. It's also frankly, just a lot harder to push positions that are socially "radical" to even most centrist liberals while the majority of the establishment and social norms are against you.
Something I've noticed, is that center-left/left wing parties, tend to have more female politicians, but they almost always are male loaded at the top, the UK Labour party or Canadian NDP etc have NEVER had a female leader, while the Tories/Conservative parties have had several. This is because frankly, female liberal/left leaning leadership comes under WAY more scrutiny.
Look at what happened to for example Australia's only female Labour leader Julia Gillard, who was basically called a barren radical feminist slut by even the "centrist" media for not being married and not having kids, meanwhile in reality she was largely socially center-right, even pushing for MORE Church influence in schools, which of course the left leaning media attacked her for.
So to be a left leaning female politician, you have to basically be turbo wokie shitlib or you get attacked from the left for not being "empathetic" or being a "reactionary" and whatever (see how the left treats "TERFs" despite "TERFs" are all radical leftist theoryfags), and you get attacked form the right for being a "hysterical hair armpit feminist hippie bitch who is probably barren and a lesbian".