Thread 18144861

>The original Indo-Europeans/Aryans/Yamnayas/Sintashtas/etc were all brown!!!

Okay so how did blonde hair, blue eyes, and other Nordic features indistinguishable with that of northern Europe end up in isolated populations of people in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Northern India, etc? What's the official explanation? And how come these features only seem to correlate with R1a frequency?

>>18144861 (OP)
Aryan features emerged from India and spread north

>>18144861 (OP)
The Yamnaya are only one, relatively unimportant, part of the Indo-European story.

The people who actually widely dispersed were the Corded Ware, who were the successors of Yamnaya in Europe. Corded Ware mixed with EHG, who had blonde hair, and developed the trait among themselves before spreading east into Asia, Persia, etc.

>>18144939
The only thing the Indians emerged was their indigenous AASI genes. You were invaded from the steppes by people of Corded Ware genetic mix.

>>18144962
False, cope more inbred Euragatan

>>18144963
show me a proof that im wrong or stfu

Distance to: Sintashta
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0.06530751 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_(n=1)
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0.07103290 Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute_(n=1)
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0.07175070 Norwegian_(n=37)
0.07206800 Norwegian_Bergen_(n=8)
0.07234684 Russian_Yaroslavl_(n=19)
0.07237617 Finnish_(n=50)
0.07248232 Russian_Kostroma_(n=6)
0.07250523 Russian_Ryazan_(n=12)
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0.07264424 Icelandic_(n=12)
0.07266142 Mordvin_(n=29)
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0.07298517 Karelian_Tver_(n=11)
0.07310658 Russian_Kursk_(n=8)
0.07365505 Russian_Tver_(n=9)
0.07378219 Russian_Novgorod_(n=15)

Target: Sintashta
Distance: 3.2404% / 0.03240428
34.6 Frisian_Netherlands_o2_(n=2)
18.8 Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija_(n=10)
13.6 Kalash_(n=23)
11.8 Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute_(n=1)
8.6 Lithuanian_North_Zemaitija_(n=10)
6.8 Nuristani_(n=4)
3.4 Finnish_East_(n=12)
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>>18144861 (OP)
Read

>>18144861 (OP)
The first photo is photoshoped and Kalash's Steppe is measured by women.

>Genetic analysis of Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) by Firasat, Khaliq, et al. (2007) on Kalash individuals found high and diverse frequencies of these Y-DNA Haplogroups: L3a (22.7%), H1* (20.5%), R1a (18.2%), G (18.2%), J2 (9.1%), R* (6.8%), R1* (2.3%), and L* (2.3%)

>Genetic analysis of Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) by Quintana-Murci, Chaix, et al. (2004) stated that "the western Eurasian presence in the Kalash population reaches a frequency of 100%" with the most prevalent mtDNA Haplogroups being U4 (34%), R0 (23%), U2e (16%), and J2 (9%). The study asserted that no East or South Asian lineages were detected and that the Kalash population is composed of maternal western Eurasian lineages (as the associated lineages are rare or absent in the surrounding populations). The authors concluded that a western Eurasian maternal origin for the Kalash is likely

Yamnaya were brown but Sintashta were mix of EEF+WHG+Yamnaya from Corded Ware. Farmers had long skulls, white features, Yamnaya had dark features but more masculine skull features and WHG had dark skin but blue eyes.
https://youtu.be/2gp6qOdW-zA?si=umTKc5jOK3wj6vhp

>>18144984
>>18144986
>isolated remnant population following a unique religion and culture that was attractive/exotic relative to surrounding people was raped a lot by neighbouring apes
Unsurprising

>>18144984
>>18144986
The Yamnaya of Corded Ware was also measured by women. Despite Yamnaya having next to no R1a samples the Corded Ware Culture which is 85% Yamnaya autosomally, is very R1a majority meaning R1a made sex with Yamnaya females. Similar cases can be seen in Northern Europe, other male lineages like I1, N, and C dominate Yamnaya R1b despite the people from this region having the most steppe ancestry on average.

>>18144984
>>18144986
The Yamnaya of Corded Ware was also measured by women. Despite Yamnaya having next to no R1a samples the Corded Ware Culture which is 85% Yamnaya autosomally, is very R1a majority meaning Corded Ware made sex with Yamnaya females. Similar cases can be seen in Northern Europe, other male lineages like I1, N, and C dominate Yamnaya R1b despite the people from this region having the most Steppe ancestry on average.

>In an archaeogenetic study focusing on late Neolithic and Bronze Age individuals from Bohemia, Papac et al. (2021), which includes Haak and Heyd as co-authors, suggest that the early Corded Ware culture was a "polyethnic" society characterized by genetic, cultural, and linguistic diversity, resulting from the agglomeration of people of the Globular Amphora culture and Yamnaya-related migrants, who had highly differentiated genetic profiles, a different material culture, and probably spoke different languages. 100% of the Bohemian Corded Ware samples found without steppe-derived ancestry were female, indicating that this genetic diversity was a result of Corded Ware males marrying and assimilating local Globular Amphora females

>The majority of CWC-men carried haplogroup R1a-M417, the remaining ones R1b and I2a. Note that, although related to the Corded Ware population, Yamnaya males mainly carried R1b-Z2103, while R1b-bearing Corded Ware males had R1b-L51, suggesting that Corded Ware culture males cannot be directly patrilineally descended from Yamnaya individuals. Yet, Linderholm et al. (2020) found seven CW males which were narrowed down to either R1b-M269 or R-L11, while Allentoft et al. (2015) report two CW males with R1b, and Furtwängler et al. (2020) report three CW males with R1b. According to Sjögren et al. (2020), R1b-M269 "is the major lineage associated with the arrival of Steppe ancestry in western Europe after 2500 BC[E]."

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>>18144942
Lol what. Yamnaya was already 50% EHG ans CWC was also dark

"Loggt features" were mostly resilt.of mixjng with whg, farmers and change of diet, og steppoids were dark just like SHG and just like ANE (tarim too). Your "aryans" were IE, EEF, WHG, siberian hg, bmac mutts by the point of OPs picture

>>18145838
>Yamnaya was already 50% EHG
I meant EEF/EHG

>ans CWC was also dark
Only the very earliest. And they weee intermediate and within the range of modern Europeans, not "dark". Then over time they inherited the light features present in Eastern Europe. THEN they expanded eastwards.

>Your "aryans" were IE, EEF, WHG, siberian hg, bmac mutts
We're talking about the features they had present during the time of eastward dispersal. The fact of the matter is they carried genes for blonde hair, light eyes and light skin, which is what OP's question relates to.

>>18145864
>Only the very earliest.
aka the purest steppe/IE

>We're talking about the features they had present during the time of eastward dispersal. The fact of the matter is they carried genes for blonde hair, light eyes and light skin, which is what OP's question relates to.
These features and alleles were already present all over the place. Read >>18144980

>>18144980
Look at how many zeros there are in the red hair column. I know it's rare but this looks like a failure to include the main populations that carried it.

>>18145990
>aka the purest steppe/IE
Which we're not talking about. The group who *dispersed into the east* came out of Europe, at which time they possessed lighter phenotypes in high frequencies.

>These features and alleles were already present all over the place.
I'm not sure what you're tryig to prove with that paper. Almost all of the instances of light features came from Europe. I already told you that these features found their way into Corded Ware-derived IE populations because they mixed with these lighter pigmented peoples. It also seems to confirm that lighter hair especially was only found in Europe. Therefore, light fair outside of Europe must have been disseminated by a European-derived population.

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