character design pet peeves?
I'll start
>Anime snouts

>female

>>7574315 (OP)
tranime in general
retarded basically naked coomer """"""ocs"""""" (i guess that's already included in tranime)

>>7574323
post your art

>>7574315 (OP)
Your image reminds me of my anime pet peeves: hair vents

>>7574315 (OP)
the new trend of face crests

>>7574315 (OP)
>character design pet peeves?
anything anime. I prefer western art. especially art of cowboys.

>>7574352
How else will they breathe?

>>7574354
>face crests
huh? Please post an example.

>>7574315 (OP)
I really dislike when an artist has these fantastic female designs that just ooze personality, character, and are just visually appealing to look at, and then you see their male design is like a background character... It's not that they ARE actually a background character, it's just how little effort was put into the character, or how bad the artist is at drawing men.
It's funny, because it used to be the opposite, everyone could only draw men, because they were 'easier' and girls were 'hard' - now everyone draws women and men are practically ignored, or are after thoughts, when it comes to art and art projects.

On another note, a good way I can immediately tell now if an artist is a step above others is if they can design great and appealing male characters on top of female ones.

>>7574365
>cowboys.
Well yeah, I love western art! Get that city slicker bullshit outta here!!

>>7574386
>not that they ARE actually a background character, it's just how little effort was put into the character, or how bad the artist is at drawing men.
>It's funny, because it used to be the opposite, everyone could only draw men, because they were 'easier' and girls were 'hard' - now everyone draws women and men are
Yes that seems to be the trend.

>>7574323
>basically naked coomer """"""ocs""""""
yes and?

All anime character designs that are designed in a way to be easily cosplayable by 3DOF sluts. Japan has lots its touch with designs forgetting they're cartoon characters. Hair is supposed to defy logic, eyes are supposed to be bigger than normal. I will never forgive Japan for falling this low.

>>7574419
Example, look at the bend in Louise's side bangs. The wavy quality to her long hair. Then look at the h*man next to her. She doesn't pass. She can't pass no matter how much she tries. Now look at the bottom. Any Japanese girl can easily look like takashitme because the design looks like a typical Japanese girl anyway. They're CARTOONS. What the fuck happened to you, Japan?

>>7574426
Or this. Big drill hair can only exist in fantasy world. Difficult to near impossible for an onlywhore to pull off. Anime has lost its touch.

>>7574332
felt called out did you?
lol

>>7574414
you don't pass for anime though, you're clearly western

>>7574428
See look at this shit in modern shows. They're not even ambitious anymore with the designs. It's all sanitized slop. All these girls have the same basic bitch hair style that any real woman can put a standard wig on and pass. It's a joke at this point.

>>7574447
Now *click* 15 years ago.

>>7574451
2025

>>7574456
2010

>>7574459
one more before I blow a fuse

2025

>>7574468
2009

>>7574469
Look big ribbons. BIG object in their hair. Not small, dainty little things in their hair because it matches real life. Big boobs. Big, long bowtie becaues why not. Bigger hair strands because they are cartoon. Fuck you Japan. Fuck you.

Moles, ruins symmetry
looks ugly, cancerous too

>>7574446
yes, but more skilled than you, /beg/ shitter.

>>7574365
>uses ai slop
you don't care about art let alone drawing in general, fag.

>>7574447
>slice of life anime
>designs are grounded and believable instead of clearly fully animay trope designs

>>7574500
I presented several examples and I could keep going to bump limit. Anime has changed and there is no denying it.

>>7574503
2025

>>7574509
2005

>>7574509
I don't get it, do they deliberately WANT their characters to be FOTM and be confused by 50 lookalikes?

>>7574532
Yes. They don't care. It's Mc Donald's convey belt food now when you're pushing 70+ TV and several OVA and movies in a quarter. All I ask is for them to dial the clock back a bit. Not just the designs but what goes on in the shows as well has weakened. Even if it's comedy we don't get characters slamming each other destroying school property to the point where it's unrepairable anymore or Team Rocket blast off punching or pulling giant weapons out of nowhere or anything that just makes you go "WTF how?". Even if it's SOL that's still no excuse. Because for some odd reason, Japan keeps forgetting it's cartoons and have lost their way at some point. Let anything and everything happen.

>>7574426
>>7574428
>>7574451
>>7574456
>>7574459
>>7574468
damn i didn't know this

>>7574447
>>7574451
>>7574456
>>7574459


I’m sick of the big eyes, small nose and mouth, big head, twig body on every single character. Basically the anime/Disney princess phenotype. It’s fucking boring. Do something different.

You can make other things appealing than the same anime girl base with interchangeable hair/accessories

>>7574679
>You can make other things appealing than the same anime girl base with interchangeable hair/accessories
You first

The B^P look

>>7574651
Newer generation of Japanese artists are to blame. They’re killing what made anime magical. If I had a way I’d make a video to talk some sense in the Japanese community.

>>7574315 (OP)
Fuck you pussy, anime snouts make sense when you look at a 3D model or figurine of an anime girl.

>>7574352
/ic/tards: "FANTASY ANIME HAIR LIKE HAIR VENTS ARE EVIL!!!"
>>7574426
Also /ic/tards: "REALISTIC HAIRSTYLES IN ANIME ARE EVIL!!!"

>>7574679
This thread reeks of sour grape westernoids whose shitty Loomis/Proko figures get ignored by the public and mogged by the average Japanese pre-schooler

>>7574688
https://www.deviantart.com/jeinu/art/Unique-Features-Tutorial-Pt-1-153030678

Character design 101. Varied shape language

>>7574719
Reeks of low IQ porn-brained fag who’s tastes are easily satisfied with AI slop. Grow an imagination and some decent taste

>>7574726
lol the amount of butthurt and bringing out AI for no reason proves I hit a nerve with the truuuuuuuuuuuuuth

>>7574730
I’m saying that your tastes are so generic that it could be fed into an algorithm and shat out with very few meaningful differences

>>7574719
>Also /ic/tards: "REALISTIC HAIRSTYLES IN ANIME ARE EVIL!!!"

You don't get it are you're part of the problem. I wish I was born Japanese so I can truly make a change of course. Younger Japanese artists are killing what the boomers in the industry established.

Modern version of Battle Athletes in pic.

>>7574744
90s version, much more true to CARTOON nature

Anime is bad though. Hitler would disapprove

Hitler would jack his cock off to anime toons

>>7574736
Yeah ignore the fact that every AI model is trained off artstation. What now?

>>7574804
And twitter and deviantart and instagram. What now?

This...

>>7574863
this is shopped

>>7574863
CALL ON MEEEEE

>>7574352
Bet you support what breeders did to the pug too.

This is more of a nitpick pet peeve of mines that I used to have but learned to accept, but it's when the artist fuses the middle and ring finger together. I've been told that's how the hands naturally rests and can see that but it I appreciate when the artists take the time to show the subtlety and separate the two.

Pic rel: I went on art station and saved the first example I could find, no offense to the artist ofc.

>>7574931
Actually I think this image illustrates my point more

>>7574931
looks better than all fingers splayed

>>7574944
I think the original pic actually does make sense because he subtly implies depth and separation which is why I gave the other picture as an example. It makes me feel like the fingers are superglued together and messes with my mind

>>7574949
2nd pic reminds me of the glued finger trend in mannerism.

>>7574936
>>7574931
This is more of what happens when the artist dont know what to do with the hand but want to keep the pose dynamic in some way. Like how renassanice artists kept drawing people turning their neck and looking upwards.

>>7574979
This one isn't as bad because even in the thumbnail I can see he took the effort to separate the fingers.

>>7574315 (OP)
cool

>>7574931
>>7574936
>>7574979
They are Freemasons

>>7574386
You know, I don't even remember the last time I saw a male OC that wasn't either a femboy or gay fanservice.

>>7574419
>Hair is supposed to defy logic, eyes are supposed to be bigger than normal
no you are just a shitter with bad taste, any piece of manga worth reading has always strayed away from that sorta shit

>>7575234
>worth reading
didn't ask what you think is worth reading, this is about designs.

>>7574419
>>7574426

Kim Kardashian tweeted out a pic of Darling in the Franxx because of the hairstyle, it would be stupid for the industry that plays to boys lust for women to NOT try to make more costplayable characters after the CEO of women did that.

>>7575254
>They should make designs with cosplay ease as a priority because of muh profitability
I'm not even an antisemite, but god you are a fucking kike. You also misspelled cosplay.

>>7575257
>You also misspelled cosplay.
It's a saturday night so I'm a bit tipsy. Thank you for making me aware of my mistake.
>muh profitability
Are you pretending to be retarded? That's all anime is now with the Isekai Slop and the vtuber shit. It's all about profitability, sorry to burst your bubble but it always has been. The moe trash you consume was made by sweaty men trying to make a quick buck

>>7575254
I realized what was happening without knowing this factoid since I consume it every day. I know when something is off. Japanese are ruining their precious child. Vtumors are just part of the symptom.

>>7575263
This is a thread about pet peaves. It's fine to be peaved at banal slopishness. I accept that even most "great" anime is slop, but even that can be made with some passion and flare.

>>7575322
It's even more pathetic when grown ass man are complaining about a medium intended for childrens and teens.

>>7575336
0/10

>>7575336
>medium intended for
I don't give a shit mate, everything should have the standards of execution raised, slop included. I probably score like a 30 on the international weeaboo spectrum anyway. Your point was about what would make money, that's not the point of the thread.

>>7575336
>childrens
Dumb ESL

>>7574315 (OP)
>anime snouts
Hate this and, frankly, anime in general

>>7575336
>grown ass man
Stop talking like a woman

i hate this tattoo, his name is scorpion, and he's a ninja

>>7574720
>le shape language
>le silhouette
aka how to make mobile game looking garbage

>>7574719
>Loomis/Proko figures
Nah, fag you replied to is the kind who would denounce classical figures on the basis of them looking "too samey". Unique character design is when you exaggerate and deform the shit out of your character so that it looks just like every other post-2000 cartroon and utilize juvenile design wisdom such as "make the tank character round" and "make the evil guy triangular".

I hate dark skinned characters that have really exotic colored hair. Black skin with pink hair is an example.

>>7574315 (OP)
Tip of nose being bright red. I hate this stupid shit, I don't even know why it got popular to begin with, it doesn't look good or appealing.

>>7578060
example?

>>7578499
>I don't even know why it got popular to begin with
I believe that the nose is actually redder than the rest of the face, as the blood is more visible there (as well as on the cheeks). So it was likely just a case of people exaggerating it to an extreme.
It was particularly popular on tumblr (called the tumblr nose for a while), so it's also possible that it was just seen as 'quirky' thing that girls gloomed on to - a 'I'm not like other girls' indicator.
Final theory is that this was particularly popular with teenagers, and teens have bad skin, so they just exaggerated that bad skin; so they're essentially highlighting how bad the pimples on their noses were.

Anyway, I'm giving way too much thought to the origin of this shitty art trend, thank god it's mostly dead.

>>7577641
In a way, I understand the design choices they made. He has to wear the Lin Kuei uniform, and he has a twin brother, so they can't distinguish him based on his clothes or face. However, his color already makes him distinctive, and the idea of giving him a scorpion tattoo is kind of stupid. In any case, I must admit that I'm not a fan of the art direction of that game.

Near the end of this thread we should all combine everyone's pet peeve into a single character to make the most punchable characters ever

>>7574315 (OP)
relatively specific but sloperator anime girl, both are already tacky, but the two at the same time is too like, do you really need to be gooning and thinking of military shit

>>7578499
this right here is the only one that i really dont like, the character looks sick
i feel like it may have gotten big because they are copying a big artist
>>7578816
>thank god it's mostly dead
fax

brb drawing every r6 operator as a sexed up anime girl

>>7574315 (OP)
Some animes have a more designed face profile. A lot of the more detailed classic anime and manga in particular

>>7574426
>>7574447
>>7574451
>>7574456
>>7574459
sounds like nostalgia to me i do miss hyper stylized anime like code geass and shit nowadays everything is soulless slop :(

>>7577984
Anon, are you seriously suggesting that using shape language and differing silhouettes will somehow result in generic gacha garbage? How does that even begin to make sense to you?

>>7574315 (OP)
Hairclips, especially the thing where there's 2 of them. It looks weird and almost nobody does that in real life except tiktok egirls

>>7579278
Mobile means mobile retardo. No one said anything about gacha.
Being shape language brained is how you end up with generic shit like this. It contradicts the point you are trying to prove but your infantile mind can only think deformed = not generic.

>>7579346
I would 200% the pink fairy though.

>>7579346
I like the cyborg goblin

>>7579346
>Being shape language brained is how you end up with generic shit like this.
NTA, but was this your response to the other anon saying anime felt generic? Who are you complain about samey designs when you consume perhaps the MOST generic slop style out there?

>>7574532
>>7574745

The point is to appeal to people who aren't trying for escapism but rather for self-insert purposes.

Crazy designs = escapism (less like reality) = appeals more to social outcasts
More grounded = distraction "what if things were different" fantasizing = appeals more to people who have some gripes with their place in life but are still integraed

This is also why isekai became big, it's "hey normal dude, what if you got hit by a truck like you keep wishing for but it instead gave you a better life!?"

Older anime required buyin from the viewer.

Of course this wasn't always the case. A lot of 70s and 80s anime had hair that was either more tame or, for some of the more-wild stuff, supposed to mirror the Big Hair of back then. City Hunter is an easy example of the grounded ones, and the Dominion Tank Police Catgirls for the Big Hair.
I have a hunch this might actually have to do with the amount of acceptable slapstick but I really have no idea. Lodoss has the huge pauldrons, so does Tenchi and Slayers. But Lodoss is fully serious with very down to earth hair, while Tenchi and Slayers have plenty of comedy. It's something specific to the hair...

>>7574386
This also tends to be the same among coom artists/OC artists. The dude is either a sanitized self-insert of the artist or a generic dude for the audience to insert as. Or generic/faceless to not take focus away from the girl.

There, now you have more detailed ways to express your gripes.

>>7578060
>>7578534
picrel?

>>7574365
>ai

>>7574315 (OP)
designs were the men don't have nipples. why aren't men allowed to have nipples?

>>7581498
I know that pic is NOT Japanese anime. It was some cartoon funded by some rapper or some shit.

>>7574315 (OP)
This one is a of an odd pet peeve, and I realised it leans more towards a writing or /co/ problem than an art problem while writing it, but I wanted to get this thing off my chest.
I quite dislike it when foreigners glom onto a trend, that they previously never participated in, and make media riffing off it like they did.
Examples would be that Pilot: "Pretty Pretty Please I Don't Want to be a Magical Girl" and more recently "K-Pop Demon Hunters".

Like, America never really made magical girl content, so how can you make a television series where a girl is running away from being a magical girl? If it was an established thing that children knew about, sure, but they won't if they're not watching anime. The pastiches it's playing around with that form the basis of the show are purely Japanese, and yet it's shoves that into a very overt american setting.

Then in K-pop Demon Hunters, you have a 'k-pop group', that sings in English, looks as korean as anime characters look japanese, act like westerners... why exactly are these girls a korean 'kpop' group rather than just a american 'girl group'? Ah, right, because that's popular with teens at the moment... But it's all good, because they make the characters eat ramen at one point, and asians love ramen, right?... That totally makes this feel authentic, right?...

It just feels like, at best, they're engaging with the source material in such a shallow way, or at worst they're just wearing it as a skin suit for popularity. They're tourists. They're someone coming into a conversation halfway through and pretending to know what everyone was talking about.
It feels like Kappa Mikey was more genuine in its foreign appreciation of Asian media.

This isn't to say either of these pieces of media is bad, or that Americans can't make media inspired by asian media, but there's something that rings hollow here that gets on my nerves.
Am I making a coherent point here, or am I just schizo posting?

>>7581470
Calling a retard a retard doesn't mean I consume tranime.

>>7581584
Well I think with "Pretty Please blah blah blah" it kind of hardens to webcomic culture cause even though needs on the internet never made an actual anime but its for the needs on the internet that are in the know.
I agree with you for the most part it's just that for that pilot it was just some girls pet project, it's just that everything needs to be a pilot now and can't just be a webcomic

>>7581641
Replace needs with nerds by the way, sorry about that

>>7581641
>for the most part it's just that for that pilot it was just some girls pet project
Yeah, I can get that. If it were just a webcomic, or a small indie animated project, I think I'd be much cooler with it - it's the fact that it's a pilot and aims to be picked up and made by a company, and spread far beyond the 'nerds in the know' audience that irritates me.
It just feels very insincere, but I can't put my finger on exactly why.

>I agree with you for the most part
Glad my vague feeling is understood though. I kept seeing people talk about "I Don't want to be a Magical Girl" very positively, and it was getting under my skin that there was zero critique.
Then I saw the Kpop Demon Hunters (which admittedly looks good though) and I had that same feeling again.

>>7574484
based kotto does it again

>>7574931
>I've been told that's how the hands naturally
That’s fucking nonsense and you know it. Tendons of ring finger are way more tied together with the pinky than middle finger (I dare you to extend ring finger only without wedging pinky into the palm). It’s supposed to look “elegant”. It supposed to simplify the hand by making it look like a 4 finger cartoon one. And it’s stupid.

>Non-japanese artist creates a webcomic
>Calls it a Manga

>>7581584
>"Pretty Pretty Please I Don't Want to be a Magical Girl"

That webtoon is made by a Japanese-American woman.

>The pastiches it's playing around with that form the basis of the show are purely Japanese, and yet it's shoves that into a very overt american setting.

Anime is literally based off of American cartoons.

>looks as korean as anime characters look japanese, act like westerners... why exactly are these girls a korean 'kpop' group rather than just a american 'girl group'?

American girl groups barely exist in comparison. Katseye is the closest to that and it isn't even American.

>looks as korean as anime characters look japanese, act like westerners...

Asians are human beings not aliens

>>7574372
I think he means pic rel

>>7581778
>That webtoon
Wrong. It's an animated Pilot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf7bsmT-Jn0
As I said above, I'd probably be less irked if it were just a comic.
>made by a Japanese-American woman.
...So an american? Or are you a blood and soil type?
Even if it matters that she's japanese-american, her cartoon feels only american.
>American girl groups barely exist in comparison.
But they were big and influential at a point, more so to americans than kpop has ever been, but this kind of misses what I was saying anyway.
Change it to an all girl rock group then if you're going to get hung up on that.
>Asians are human beings not aliens
If you're going to try and get a rise out of me, don't be so obvious about it - we all know Koreans are actually little green men in disguise.

>>7581527
I think I remember that being Jaden Smith's weeaboo phase with his "anime" Neo Yokyo

>>7578499
It's probably taken from real life when children get red cheeks and noses during cold weather. Just another design trope to make a character look more cute by subconsciously mimicking child-like characteristics. It's the Tumblr equivalent of round cheeks, small chins, big eyes, and lack of teeth in anime art styles.

>>7581584
>If it was an established thing that children knew about, sure, but they won't if they're not watching anime.
Because it's not for western children, but for failed millennial women who autistically obsess with the genre because they watched a couple of sailor moon clips.
After watching half of one (1) magical girl show, they now think they know enough about the source to create a creatively bankrupt subversion of the entire genre—a very western millennial thing to do.

>>7582079
Forgot to include the irony poisoning, can't forget the total lack of sincerity when creating your animu inspired project. Everything needs to be coated in 10 layers of irony because jap shit is actually embarrassing to enjoy openly. This is why you need to drag the piece of art you're totally inspired by through the mud to honor it in a truly western way.

>>7579346
Fuck this looks bad.

>>7581584
>spired by asian media, but there's something that rings hollow here that gets on my nerves.

If you're a zillennial boomer like me, you'd remember all those cartoons back in the day that had to do with Chinese/Kung fu and Japaaaaaan. Even the life action shows would always have a Tokyo special or the intermission bumpers were always about Japan or the program blocks needed to be about Japan with some Japanese style name in it.

American Dragon
Ying Yang Yo
Jennifer Li
Jackie Chan
Pucca
Xiolin Showdown
Kung fu Panda TV series

To the movies...oh there's a lot of them.

Not only did the west (America) suck the cock of Japan (not that I don't mind) they had to shove Japan down our throats with American cartoons inspired by Japan because they couldn't compete. On top of Avatar being out at the time because Nick didn't have any anime and that was their answer. And then there are the stereotypical girl boss Asian girl archetypes like what you'll see in Big Hero 6. I swear it's always just someone doing self inserts of themselves.

The truth is the west seemed to have been sucking off Japan since the their big boom.

>>7581584
Anime characters look japanese, retard-san.

>>7583086

>>7583311
Heavily cherrypicked picture, nice bait tho, made me respond.

>>7583313
Heavily cherrypicked picture, nice bait tho, made me respond.

>>7583313
Persona is the most cherrypicked you can get.

>>7583311
that pic was literally made by a mad ricecel

>>7583311
If anime girls looked like the average burger there wouldn’t be a birth rate problem and visa versa. Anime ! = reality.

>>7583322
>>7583311

So white people look like cats? I'm confused.

>>7583086
They look as much Japanese as Elmer Fudd looks American. They're cartoon characters.
You're focusing way too much on a single, flippant and unimportant, line from the argument for me to care.

>>7583068
>they had to shove Japan down our throats with American cartoons inspired by Japan because they couldn't compete.
It's not like I mind Avatar or Teen Titans, or cartoons inspired by anime in general, but there's something but the examples in my original comment that feel like they're taking more and don't have respect about it.
Like "Pretty Please I Don't..." is a comedic take on magical girls, but America hasn't made a single serious take on magical girls, so the only thing you're pitching is a comedic bastardised Americanised take. It's joining in on a story that you never cared about previously and thinking you can do it better than the others, and the best improvement? Set it in in America, of course!
Like if you really loved the stuff you're doing you're riffing off here, shouldn't you try a serious interpretation first?

>>7582079
>Because it's not for western children, but for failed millennial women who autistically obsess with the genre because they watched a couple of sailor moon clips.
I feel like this is closer to the truth of what irks me than I probably realise.
A shallow take on the genre with all the corners shaved off, and made for mainstream audiences, while acting as if it's made for (and by) the OG fans.

>>7583447
>A shallow take on the genre with all the corners shaved off, and made for mainstream audiences, while acting as if it's made for (and by) the OG fans.
Perfect description of a game that's been making the rounds lately

>>7574315 (OP)
when an artist gets lazy drawing socks/pantyhose. for example, they'll draw a foot and just colour it brown (for pantyhose) leaving out the details. Or they colour it that gives the impression the character is wearing toe socks (which may be the idea but who the hell wears toe socks)

>>7581584
>Like, America never really made magical girl content
bee and puppycat
powerpuff girls

>>7579328
>It looks weird and almost nobody does that in real life
theres a whole fashion trend about it

>>7583447
>America hasn't made a single serious take on magical girls

America has never taken the medium as a whole seriously. They'd rather license cartoons from Asia and call it a day.

>>7583908
>except tiktok egirls

>>7583905
>powerpuff girls
That's less magical girl and more of a superhero trope

>>7574428
>drill hair
ive seen some women get pretty close to capturing it imo

>>7586620
The anime girl's is bigger and I'm not making a dad joke. Her design can't be pulled off.

>>7581750
I hate this so much, it got old when Adam Warren did it twenty years ago

>>7581584
>If it was an established thing that children knew about, sure, but they won't if they're not watching anime
Though not Japanese, many girls are familiar with W.I.T.C.H, Winx, there are even Barbie and Bratz movies with magical girl themes.

circular highlights

>>7575004
Well there's a good chance that's just a religious reference, though there's also a non zero chance the head tilt thing can be traced back to Alexander the great who had slight deformity that caused him to tilt his head a bit. All his general during the diadochi wars copied him and then the Romans copied them...etc.

>>7574426
cosplay is about having fun

>>7574414
nice shadows on the legs while walking

>>7574315 (OP)
Pimple shading

>>7575201
>You know, I don't even remember the last time I saw a male OC that wasn't either a femboy or gay fanservice.
It just coincides with the general revulsion people have towards masculinity nowadays. The only time I see people drawing attractive masculine men are fags and fag hags.

>>7574315 (OP)
>>Anime snouts
>posts westoid faux anime cartoon
pig in a pigsty drowning in pig dirt. time to leave before I end up being next

>>7574456
Is this Owl House???

>>7593541
Speaking of pet peeves.
I hate when the nose is just a hole/dot in the face

>>7593541
These monkey faced characters are like a pest >>7593541

>>7597952
>says while posting AI slop
Will you ever post a real example? Kill yourself, baiting tranny.

>>7597953
Cope. You're sexually attracted to baboons. That's not a good thing. Seek help.

>>7586631
>pic rel
ew, psuedo anime that borders on looking like lilo & stitch due to the guy on the left

>>7581584 >>7583447
I get what you mean, don't even entertain the thought you're "schizo posting". You've pretty much said it, they've got a superficial understanding of a genre or something and it comes across as such—maybe its bland, trite, uncreative, all three. Or in other words, they add literally nothing else worthwhile from themselves, that aren't shallow observations/riffs or something strictly ripped from their animu. And that's the key difference I think, when you brought up Avatar and Teen Titans, you can tell they're anime inspired, but they're still trying to do their own thing, and they are; you wouldn't say they're knock off anime, at least not immediately I would think.

>>7598320
I went on a bit of a tangent but couldn't fit in my original reply, and I didn't want it to go to waste so

I have to bone to pick on a slightly different issue I guess
Cartoons made by millennials like Steven Universe, OK KO, Craig of the Creek, (and later seasons of Gumball), references are a CRUTCH for them. I think the quality of these shows to begin with sucks, so them FREQUENTLY relying on references with things they grew up with or like is symptomatic of that.

All it does for me personally is go:
>YES I FUCKING KNOW YOU'RE MAKING AN EVANGELION REFERENCE, FUCK OFF.

It detracts from whatever originality the show is supposed to express. The way I've thought about it is, when a show makes a reference, its sort of trying to adhere to something from another show as closely as possible, enough to make the inference to say "oh its a reference". Why? Because they liked it, hence referencing. But its a shallow form of appreciation because it can be derivative shlock at worst.
You'd like to minimize that as much as possible, by either doing it sparingly, or incorporate into the show more meaningfully... which means deviating from the reference and making it as your own. By not doing so, its by admission saying what I'm referencing is not mine but from other thing.

And when your show is constantly making shallow winks at the audience as proof you know DA THING from other show, it just sucks, for reasons I've said before. Stop pointing at other show like that wojak meme, point at yourself, your own show.

My best example to what I'm saying is how Cloud from FF7 is known for having a big ass sword, which is reference to Guts also having one... but you wouldn't call Cloud a Guts clone because he's wholly his own character aside from the weapon similarity.

I hope this all makes some sense and value because my brain is fried trying effortpost all this tonight

>>7598322
Not to mention how incredibly immersion breaking it is when seeing a blatant and unapologetic pop culture reference out of nowhere. You can just tell how eager the creators were to put in this specific reference in a scene, they probably put it into the goddamn script too, which completely takes you out of your immersion. It feels forced and disingenuous. It's trying to attain appeal and entertainment without working for it by biting off other popular work and calling it ""reference"".
I swear to God if I see on more fucking bike riding scene with an Akira slide reference.
>>>YES I FUCKING KNOW YOU'RE MAKING AN EVANGELION REFERENCE, FUCK OFF.
Exactly.

>>7579346
I completely agree with you anon, silhouette and shape language are memes

Mine is the "artstation concept art" style that emerged from memes like silhouette and shape language

>>7598322
>>7598699
can you kill yourself off of /ic/?

>>7598734
How many boards did you post that on?

>>7598322
>>7598699
Please, you guys act like you don't clap, cheer, cum in your pants, shit and piss in your pants, every time a Wilhelm Scream appears in a film.

That said, I feel like they're less saying "Hey look, it's a Evangelion Reference", and more like they're saying "Hey, we're in on the joke, we're making the same reference!".
Like, why do they all need to recreate that bike shot from Akira? Couldn't they just reference the jacket, or the bike, or the names, why is it that specific shot? Because their following the trend, their in on that fad.
Get in the reference? You're part of their group. Don't? You're not part of their little seal clapping club.

>>7577364
kek

>>7598841
>Wilhelm Scream
oh that reminds me, fucking retarded pasted sounds. every door sounds the same, every footstep sounds the same, every helicopter sounds the same. fucking cargo cult retards.

>>7598736
>I hate you go away ;(
well fuck me for trying articulate my thoughts
>>7598841
Listen, I’m not against referencing in of itself, my issue is overdoing it. It IS neat when you spot a reference, like you’ve caught a rare acknowledgement from the show. The shows I’m complaining about have no restraint

>>7598909
fuck I thought of an analogy on this. References are like stickers, or for the sake of this analogy, car decals. They’re nice to look at, generally harmless even if you personally don’t like said sticker/decal, most people wouldn’t really mind that they’re there. Now imagine one of those cars that go overboard, tons of those things at back of their car, it ruins the aesthetic of the car so to speak. That’s how I feel about references.

>>7598909
>I’m not against referencing in of itself, my issue is overdoing it.
Neither am I. My issue isn't a reference, it's a meme reference - and I'm not actually talking about internet memes, but a reference as a meme, if you get me. The Akira Bike slide, or the Wilhelm Scream, are good examples of this.

>>7574315 (OP)
>character design pet peeves?
Jelly art

>>7579328
What?? I wear them like that every day, it's not uncommon or weird lole

>>7574315 (OP)
Very detailed render, possibly referenced from a picture or a 3d model with very cartoonish/animeish flat face feels uncanny to me

>>7598954
Yeah I get ya, the former I understand can be pretty annoying. It's like those slowmo matrix scenes that everybody did when those movies were still a thing.
>>7599268
I also don't get those either lmao. They know enough to render the rest of the body, but not the face??

>>7599268
Yeah

>>7582079
Ding ding ding

>>7586785
thats when you know artists either watch Japanese porn or go to hair salons

>>7581519
Too lewd, might attract fujos. We don't want that kind of audience.

>>7575004
anon theyre doing that to symbolise looking for god

the kim jung gi slop is getting to me, i'm tired of seeing these busy drawings with characters that look like sausages

>>7604872
post an example

>>7604872
>kim jung gi
While I'm not in agreement that his art was bad, I will say that I find people's adulation of him odd.
What has the dude really done, besides sketches? Like, you have all this skills, but you only doodle, and that's it? I heard he made a comic too, but none of his fans ever talk about it, so it mustn't have been good.
I suppose it just seems like wasted talent. You can have all the skill in the world, and do nothing more than pen scribbles with it.

Though, his popularity shows people will love you for anything, if they like your stuff.

>>7605070
not him but he draws a vast range of subjects with confidence. most other artists play within their comfort field
i'm not sure about calling the drawings doodles. they're just uncolored. the linework is complete
his skills made him a revered name in the art world and a millionaire so i'd say his skills are properly used. what would you rather have him do? corporate artwork? renaissance paintings?

>>7605116
>i'm not sure about calling the drawings doodles. they're just uncolored. the linework is complete
I believe the vast, vast, majority of his work that gets posted were from his sketch diaries, or from his 'live drawings' - which are essentially just pen doodles as a performance.
>what would you rather have him do? corporate artwork? renaissance paintings?
Some paintings would unironically be good. My issue is that didn't seem to push himself in terms of scope.
What's the point of drawing so well, to do nothing really with it, besides the act itself?

I suppose he just reminds me of other artists I have followed, who would post these great characters and interesting plot summaries for comics they were going to make - only to get two pages in and give up.
Whereas those people lack gumption, Gi just seemed to lack ambition - though maybe he had some sick ass project I don't know about, but to bring the topic back to the main point of this thread, I suppose I just strongly dislike what seems like wasted potential in terms of talent and ability.
Gi could have done more than just his doodle sessions and sketch diaries.
Those artists I'm talking about could have actually completed a project, rather than simply thinking about their projects.

>>7604967
tom fox

>>7574365
>obnoxious trash posting faggot
>uses ai
What a shocker.

>>7581656
i mean the author behind it being a pixar nepo child is likely why
>>7583311
anime the style is about simification, neoteny and ideals, classic schizo-babble, though

>>7574315 (OP)
>flags
I'm so sick of finding good artists and they ruin their own design by slapping rainbow shit all over their characters, it looks absolutely ugly.

>>7608790
Is there an example of a good artist doing this? I think I've only seen shitty schizo artists doing it.

>>7608796
Good popular artists, no.
Good no name artists? I can find plenty. Putting those shitty flags everywhere is solely to gain brownie points, and it's just sad to witness.

>>7605371
That's from a tutorial so of course it's not going to look polished, he's trying to teach a concept. that being said he doesn't actually have a lot of non tutorial art, he's a functionalist artist

>the characters are too similar to each other
When a character has nothing individual, when he is no different from another, except for the color of his hair, eyes, voise and the like. Sometimes the characters are not recognizable enough. I noticed that in some anime even the shape of everyone's eyes was the same. Or when the main character looks so boring that any Japanese person could be called a cosplayer of this character.

>>7608790
uhmm chud

>>7574931
I can tell you personally I only do this to save a little bit of effort when drawing from imagination
Try it yourself this shit isnt natural at all to do it just makes it so you have to think of one finger less when coming up with what the hands are doing

>artist only ever draw one character
I don't know who is worse, the ones who only draw the same OC, or the ones who only draw fanart of the same character.

>>7611382
my favorite artists are the ones that just have 'their guy' that they draw forever and only them over and over in different settings/poses/scenarios

>>7608790
"good"

>>7611422
I feel as though I have been called out
I've been drawing the same OC and world building with him for almost 20 years
lmao no I'm not good at art either

>>7615843
genuinely so long as you enjoy it, keep at it!

I love anime but HATE side mouths so fucking much

>>7581784
Nasolabial folds are one of those things that look very off if you don't draw them just right. Every person has them, but making them too defined/dark relative to the rest of the face it makes the character look older than intended.

>>7581498
Yeah like pic related.

>>7574447
I hate same face syndrome. When I draw characters I look at different facial features to get them to look different.

Same face is fine as long as the template looks appealing. One good face is superior to an array of fucked up shit in the name of variety.
Western animation also understands and does this, as demonstrated by the troon melty up there about "Disney princesses".

>>7574931
>>7574936
I fucking hate this shit so much. If you've actually tried to put your fingers like that it's super uncomfortable and unatural.
I was watching a recent pixar movie with my friend so we could make fun of it and I fucking saw the characters do that shitty hand pose. It's fucking nuts professional artists do it now (pixars artist quality is going down like crazy but jesus fucking christ).
To me doing that hand pose is a sign of a bad artist. Only people who consume anime and copy artists inspired by anime do it. It shows me you never put in the work to study.

>>7611377
>>7618198
i tried this just now, that pose doesn't happen naturally but the ring and middle fingers being close together is way more comfortable than doing any other pair (index/ring or ring/pinky), and when i relax my hand the ring and middle fingers are slightly more grouped together than the others. i'm not sure if it's always like that or it's just because i've been doing this stupid challenge. also even though my pinky controls the ring finger's curl, it doesn't seem to affect its sideways spread at all

>>7618231
>index/ring
ok this was meant to say index/middle kek
anyway the only thing that drives me up the wall is the artist not even bothering to draw whatever little overlap the fingers had and instead just melted them together. that shit isn't even that much simpler since you have to deal with silhouette and negative space now

>>7618279
It looks oddly like the word 'Liar', for some reason.

>>7599350
I think this is a bad example

>>7618961
I thought the same thing, but no one said anything, so I just assumed I was being a dumbass... that may still be the case...
Anyway, they're cartoony character with cartoony bodies and flat cartoony shading, so I'm not really getting the 'realistic body/rendering with cartoon face' vibe from it.

>>7618974
Yes this is exactly what I was thinking, you just put it into words for me.
I'm not sure what a better example would be though. Maybe very select works of Adam Warrens..? I do like his art but there are times where I get that uncanny valley feeling when looking at how he draws faces. I'm not totally against it tho. Since I do think it can work if you do it right, that goes for just about everything though