>There is one thing not to do, and that is simply to drift along with the daily routine, making no extra effort. You will soon find yourself middle-aged, having done nothing more than routine jobs, and being little farther along than you were years ago. The extra effort is the difference between the great mass of mediocre artists and the comparatively small group of very good ones.

>And in Art, study can never stop. You will find sketches galore in the studio of the good man, with the paint quite fresh. The mediocre artist's sketches are old and dusty.

>I have seen so many middle-aged artists still hoping, whose samples are frayed at the edges, and thumb-marked with time. Sometimes it has been a matter of years since they sat down and actually did something to give their hopes any promise. They are plodding their lives away at something they hate, and doing nothing about it. These are the men who never seem to have had a chance. The truth is, they never seized a chance.
- Andrew Loomis, Creative Illustration

Read the fucking Sticky:
https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

Recommended Resources:
https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

Lets study every day and keep each other accountable! All levels of artists are welcome. Post any kind of study you want: figure drawings, still lives, nature sketches, master copies, even imagination work that you want feedback on. Critiques and redlines are encouraged :D

mangrove trees. trying to improve my background drawing skillz

Current page I am trying to fill. I fear I am a perma /beg/

>>7600929
If this is /beg/ then I'm fucked. Your hand constructions are so good.
This is what I did at lunch at work today

>>7600929
Really inspired by that 3rd fig and some music, great stuff bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZ1I1eJXJs

>>7600946
I just barely started doing gesture drills this week and I need to be giving myself like 2 or 3 minutes each and work my way up because these are not useful for anything significant

>>7600949
I truly love how kind you are to everybody, you're like the onii-san chad that everyone looks up to here

>>7600960
Really? Thank you so much anon! I think that art and beauty produces joy as a by-product. Even if we're just searching for it, not yet able to produce it. This is why I can't leave this board, even when much of my stuff belongs to /d/ lol. This is a board of artists, the most unique board. The other boards are for machine feeding parasites. I appreciate everyone here.
>Why Beauty Matters:
https://vimeo.com/580185089

I'm beginning to really feel the limitation of photography. Trying to learn the actual form of a pig's head is so hard just sketching from images on google

>>7600949
>>7600979
I like that documentary, senpai. It's part of why I never want to work in an office in a cubicle with harsh LEDs men in suits. It's all just so soul sucking. Someday, I'm gonna write a novel and make a gazillion dollars and just buy a house in the country and live the rest of my life there

>>7600929
dont' talk bad about yourself, just keep moving forward

>>7600946
>>7600950
I am in the camp of anti-gesture. I think you should take your time and really study each reference and try to get things right. proportions and observational ability is the most important fundamental, imo

>>7601016
Patrick J. Jones - The Lying Eye - Drawing From Photos
has some good tips for working from photos, it is focused on figures though

painting study
i basically don't have any idea what im doing, I just barely remember some stuff from meds map and try to make it look somewhat like the ref

>>7601016
Another anti gesture bro in the wild

>>7601016
Hey man just want thanks you for your advices. One year ago I remember I talked to you and an another guy on /studies/ thread and your advices were very good.

I haven't drew much those last few months and kind of "lost" my little progress. But I plan to start a formation I found on internet for a cheap price (a french one) who seems really good but anyway, just want to thanks you. You're one of the few guys who gave honest good advices about drawing.

I'm telling for another begs, you shouldn't care about gesture and all those stuff. Start you learning path with studying a drawing with only hard shapes and value (2 values, then 3 etc...). Observation skill is the only skill one should works when he begins.

Learn measurement techniques too, but not the academics ones with the complicated stuff and grind. Just you pen and you thumb.

>>7600912 (OP)
The older I've aged, the more I realize how much better it is not to stand out. Even if you got crazy good. Why would you even want to flaunt that to the public.

Seriously. If you ever make it to that level. Why put yourself on stage?

>>7603009
this is one of the nicest messages i ever got, thank you fren <3

I hope you find a practice schedule that works for you

If you speak Japanese, or ever intend to learn it, I can recommend 室井康雄 a lot. His way of thinking about drawing is how I approach it now, basically.

>>7601035
this looks really great. I also feel like I have no idea what I'm doing, but I do have one cornerstone to hang onto, and its that 2d observational skills + deep knowledge of proportions is the foundation for everything else you do. I'm sure you already know that though, given that pretty study. It's well done.

>>7601032
thank you

>>7601037
I have an acquaintance on discord who is a huge fan of gestures so I'm afraid of what he'll think if he ever finds these posts

this is a thread for me

>>7603054
>室井康雄
My pleasure. I don't understand japanese but I want to learn it one day to read raw manga and watch old films without subs kek.

You're living in japan ? Or are you japanese ? I think I've seen you talking about working in japanese animation industry. Maybe you were giving advices to an anon, can't remember.

>>7600914
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>7603437
arigatou very much, fren

>>7603061
amazing... I would ask you for tips, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it at your level even if you held my hand on every stroke

>>7603211
Nah, I'm not Japanese, but I have been learning it. I do wanna break into the animation industry there,

>>7603963
>but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it at your level even if you held my hand on every stroke

Really? You seem pretty good with figures already, rendering/painting is way easier to learn compared to figure drawings. Pretty sure my drawings are not as good as yours either.

Hello any advice to have a better result ? Some details are not correct and general proportion are not accurate, that I know but any advice on the filling ?

>>7604322
Don't shade recklessly. Keep it tight

>>7604328
Hey thank you ! Do you have any example?

>>7604344
I can't right now, maybe when I get home, I'll try.

>>7604347
Amazing thank you have a nice day

Some drawings from today. I am following Ron Lemen videos on Bridgeman, but it feels really hard to synthesize the anatomy details. I skipped Bridgeman heads like that guy from the link on hackmd recommend, but I don't know if I should study Loomis head now or after Bridgeman.

>>7603963
>Nah, I'm not Japanese, but I have been learning it. I do wanna break into the animation industry there,

I wish you success my friend, maybe one day we will cross paths.

>>7604328
Should it be more like this ? Sorry for the stains

>>7605019
Hi fren, I'm going to give you a radical suggestion that a lot of other teachers won't tell you, but it'll work wonders, trust me.

Find a pane of glass and a marker that you can use to draw on top of that pane of glass. Make sure you can easily wipe away the marker lines from that glass wtih just a tissue. You might need to experiment a bit. I think sharpie fineliner might work.

Get a nice drawing book, say, Loomis, and trace a drawing from loomis onto that glass.

Then, copy that same drawing the best you can, on a piece of paper. This is your study.

The next thing is to overlay that glass pane tracing on top of your drawing. How close are you? How far off were you? Find just one thing to correct. Remember that. Now, copy the drawing again, trying to eliminate that mistake. Now overlay the glass again. How did you do? Find one more thing to correct. Keep going until you've eliminated a bunch of mistakes, then move onto another reference image to study

You can do this whole process much easier if you get a digital tablet though. A Huion costs like $40 bucks nowadays, very affordable. Holding the glass up above your paper and trying to study your mistakes can cause your arm muscles to cramp.

This is the fastest way to improve. Learn the front view head, the side view head, and the 3/4 head, and you can draw any head you want for the rest of your life. Do the same on the rest of the body

This is the way I learned to draw cubes, actually. I learned this from Ernest Watson.

https://youtu.be/RXb-Y_kz2aU

>>7604141
I think painting and figure drawing overlap, but also have radically different visual libraries. I have no knowledge of lighting on form, basically.

Another incredible study from you, btw, great job

>>7604624
we will! someday I'll share my twitter (maybe) and we can dm

>>7604483
nice. You can study heads now if you want! Also, if Bridgman is wearing thin on you, find other anatomy books! I like TACO anatomy a lot

>>7604583
綺麗ね~

>>7605183
>綺麗ね~
תודה לך

>>7605183
>>>7604624
>we will! someday I'll share my twitter (maybe) and we can dm

It would be my pleasure, I don't come on 4chan anymore but I will lurk times to times these thread :)

>>7605183
Hey it s a very good idea and an amazing technique to correct your mistake thank you very much for sharing. But I just don’t draw from book. If i m drawing is to draw something from my surroundings, an object at a moment.

yuming li copy. ~15 mins. painting makes me want to cry

>>7605251
>תודה לך
何言ってんだい?

>>7605443
<3

>>7607469
I think drawing from life retards your progress in the beginning. I used to go to cafes and sketch people like Master Stanchfield and Vilppusensei taught, but I didn't improve a lot, so I am speaking from personal experience. My art improved by lightyears doing the exercise I told you, and just generally studying the masters first. You can do whatchu want doe

if my experience doesn't convince you, I'll give you an analogy. Would you have your 5 year old kid read Hegel if he doesn't even know his abc's?

As for me, I am still studying the abc's of drawing. Hegel is still impossible for me

Some Paul richer. Gonna study some of his portraits today to tune up my faces

>>7600914
This is great but as of now I think the trees are a bit too smooth and that a few rough contours here and there to indicate texture wouldn’t hurt

>>7608057
Indeed you are right I should study more the masters but then I will be one of those understanding Hegel because I was taught, not because I find it due to my own perception of the world … What tool do you recommend to start drawing on a computer ?

>>7600912 (OP)
TODAY IM TO DRAW AND STUDY THE BESTEST EPIC ROACH STARCRAFT 2 AND IM ALSO BETTER THAN YALL

Trying to draw objects from a different angles. It's hard to get the proportions right.

>>7605183

>>7609057
>This is great but as of now I think the trees are a bit too smooth and that a few rough contours here and there to indicate texture wouldn’t hurt
sry for the late reply, i was waiting for myself to do another study to make another post, but it seems it never happened. Yes, texture is my weakspot, I wonder where I can learn it...

i have been thinking about buying Peter Han's dynamic bible, but it bugs me he hasn't released v2 yet

your studies are veyr beautiful, great work

>>7615653
if that's your work, you def mog me into outer space. it seems that you dont' really need to use the handiglass anymore

>>7615441
very difficult exercise! i actually don't think I've ever practiced this exercise before, but KJG recommended it a lot

>>7611940
何?

Not if I should post this question here or in /beg/.
I'm trying to learn by copying references and artists' work but I feel like I'm blindly copying what I see instead of why it's there. What can I do about this?

>>7617491
copy as you are doing right now, then do a blind copy from memory.

>>7617491
You need to pick something specific you're trying to learn from it, if you're /beg/ then pick one of the fundamentals and do a study that focuses on it, like a value study, or a study where you just do the lines. If you just copy you won't learn much.

guess i can post these here.
>>7601016
gorgeous work
>>7600979
lovely as always

>>7617500
I do do a blind copy afterwards but I compare the two, look at mine and think, yeah that kinda looks like shit, so I fix a very obvious thing or two and stare back at again not knowing what to do about the rest.

>>7617501
Yeah I'm a /beg/, but coping something like gesture is difficult to apply to my work when it's already something abstract

>>7617504
pyw

I drew some birds.

How do you keep up your mental stamina? I want to study more but I tend to burn myself out on them and then go long periods without doing any

>>7617512
I wanted to copy this picture because I liked the perspective but drawing most of it I have no idea how will this help me with perspective. Maybe I should look up some resources first?

>>7618461
Couldn't post the pic because of a file ban
https://litter.catbox.moe/wgugow9afgb2vwn2.png

is anti gesture someone that doesn't do gesture drawings

>>7616504
Hello no no it’s not my work, It s from the book I bought as you advised. The glass idea is working well and help me to be aware of my mistakes thank you! Only thing glass is thin therefor fragile and might be dangerous to handle. A transparent piece of paper is safer and would do the job . Once again thank you very much for your advice, I will post once I will have made a good enough drawing .

>>7600912 (OP)
>I have seen so many middle-aged artists still hoping, whose samples are frayed at the edges, and thumb-marked with time. Sometimes it has been a matter of years since they sat down and actually did something to give their hopes any promise. They are plodding their lives away at something they hate, and doing nothing about it. These are the men who never seem to have had a chance. The truth is, they never seized a chance.

Literally me.

>>7618082 hey very nice drawing ! Do you have some advice to improve ?

>>7615653
Argentina?

>>7620195
I wish

>>7619073
no worries! the glass thing is actually a very traditional tool btw, I first learned about it from Ernest Watson, who taught students to draw perfect cubes / ellipses this way, and I later learned that Solomon J Solomon (a famous painter, you should look up him up.) also used this glass a lot when teaching with students and when studying from the model himself. It's a 万能道具 for realz

>>7600914
>>7600912 (OP)
Are these both yours? I am really into drawing and painting old trees with crazy roots. Do you have some more of these or any finished work? Here’s one of my trees. I don’t do much sketching myself but I’m frequently staring off at interesting things and imagining myself painting what I’m looking at. Seems to actually improve my painting when I do that but maybe it’s in my head. These are probably 5 minutes of pencil sketching, 2 hours of ink, then after the ink is dry the painting maybe took another hour.

>>7603061
sexy

>>7622503
Hi anon, the OP image isn't mine, it's Feng Zhu's, but i'm happy u thought it was mine :D

very nice tree btw, I love the overcast look of the colors. Drawing nature has always been a huge weakness of mine, I always focused on figure drawing, but knowing how to draw many subjects is probably more useful overall for us as aritsts

>>7620498
Do you know where I could post my progression? Is there a thread for this ?

>>7623320
Of course drawing trees can be very forgiving in terms of getting form correctly so for me I can jump in quicker and less time with the pencil. My human faces and figures don’t tend tome come out well proportioned.

>>7623619
>>7622503
looks very nicu, any recommended watercolor courses/sources if you used any? I like drawing plants for the same reason, no need to worry about high levels of accuracy (except flowers that still requires accuracy).

>>7623749
here's a cactus I drew today btw

>>7623859
>>7623619
Cool cactus and neat to see someone else drawing and painting plants. I avoid all geometric shapes in the landscape with the exception of a horizon. I know I’d never attempt drawing a potted plant for that reason. I was painting a bunch of landscapes but without a subject they are fairly boring and when I hike I like to be completely alone. So painting trees with personality seemed the obvious solution and some species like bristlecone pines are exceptionally well suited to drawing and painting in my experience. They come out far better with hard shadows so on overcast days I don’t bother taking reference photos. I compose generally facing the sun or diagonally towards the sun to boost shadows/contrast. No I didn’t really take any lessons other than to learn the most basic technical issues. Watching others watercolor wasn’t very helpful. If you’re never read the 7 page pdf called Watercolor Clock do your best to understand what this is about. For landscape painting in general, Carlsons Guide to Landscape Painting is outstanding but challenging to understand fully.

>>7620182
I'm awful with advice, but I'd recommend checking out drawing sessions on yt, he has some good videos on pencil shading.

>>7616504
Thanks anon. Cute sketch. As for where you can learn textures, just draw some trees from life. It’ll take you a long way

This is going to sound retarded, but I've been recommended Vilppu's stuff and I don't really understand how to study it. Do I want to draw what he's drawn or just try to internalize everything he's putting down in text? In that case I don't really want to study drawing ovals and stick figures and boxcars. It's boring. I'd rather make my own gestures or box shapes.

>>7604322
Different anon here. I'm far from competent myself, but what I can tell you is that form and value are one of the most important factors to keep track of, where the surface turns away from the viewer etc. I highly recommend you check out Rendering in pen and ink by Arthur Guptil: https://e-hentai.org/g/2871460/1b9ce339be/ and do some exercises from it. It also has a lot of useful notes on composition, and what makes values appear lighter or darker depending on what's around it. Might also want to check out Dynamic Sketching by Peter Han.

how can i make drawing hands easier on myself
it seems they always are in the same-ish position for me,
see: the hand at the top right doesnt make much sense

>>7600979
oh hey its you :3

i like her little face\

>>7617502
those look cool
>>7617500
im piggy backing here, but i always make sure to even if i copy, atleast try my best to make it my own thing instead of completely copying it
it helps a lot

>>7629361
You want to draw what he’s drawn yes, but also take those principles and apply them to your own drawings, like you said. Here’s a few warmups of his that I found helpful

>>7631014

>>7630992
Study hands from life. It’s more challenging but you’ll develop a stronger understanding of them.

>>7631018
i will try that, thanks :3

>>7630868
Hey amazing drawing! Thank you for the advice I already bought myself 3 books from Leonardo collection. I will go through them all then I will buy the book from Guptil which looks very complete. Thank you for the piece of advice ! I will keep posting from time to time so if you recognize don t hesitate to leave a feedback

>>7605183
>Hi fren, I'm going to give you a radical suggestion
The guy draws digitally. Why would he need to use traditional techniques for tracing?

>>7630868
Based

bumb

i'm trying to do this exercise from marco bucci's course, but i don't really understand how light interacts with objects and where shadows should be put. like here, i attempted to make light come from the front and above, with some kind of big cast shadow in the middle, but i'm not sure if i did it right. critique very welcome

I'm taking the pencil again since few months. I'm a beg with not very good (no to say terrible) eyes accuracy. Everytime I draw I'm frustrated, even when the drawing is ok, that certain thing or out of palce or proportions mistake.

I mostly sketch. I did a year ago all of Fun With A Pencil, a good book and enjoyed it a lot.

I saw the krenz video and understand the importance of good eyes to really improve. The thing is that I'm totally lost when it comes to the enveloppe thing. I don't really understand how to deal with it, neither do I understand how to deal with it inside too kek.

Can I just identify shapes independently at the beginning and not carrying about the enveloppe ? Or should I really focus on understand it ? Also, should I have a sketch approach (with a lot of restating) or should I do like the guys on Bargues plates videos (when I put a line, I'm sure of it exactitude) ?

Sorry for blogposting.

>>7646831
*certains thing are out of space or proportionnal mistakes

Sorry, I'm a little tired kek

>>7617502
What pencil do you use?

Permabeg retrying to learn anatomy

>>7646831
Hi anon, I struggle a lot with the same problems as you. I think it helps with asking yourself what you wish to achieve. Do you want to understand every detail or just the larger picture? Krenz takes a middle approach. I am a beginner too, but I think I might be able to help slightly if you post an exercise that you have trouble with.

>>7649772
Good work, anon. I believe you are following Hampton's course. The thing that immediately stuck out to me is the width of your bones. You have the general proportions of the vertical placement, but your legs look too stout because they are wide.

This thread is very wholesome, I might redline the studies, grading and tips, all of yall cool?

>>7652616
Are you that schizo? No thanks.

>>7652301
Thank you boss
I'm just gonna follow the guidelines and draw the diagrams till I get em engrained in my memory

>>7654855
nice

Study attempt.
It's very hard to shade with graphite. I will try charcoal next.

>>7655037
Beautiful. If you’d like advice, I would suggest to understand the planes of the face better to have smoother value transitions. I like the softness of her sockets.

>>7654855
Amazing line work. This is a side comment, but I’m wondering about the position of his leg in this particular frame. When I squat the bar, my legs rotate out rather than curl in. I remember getting a back injury when I tried weight lifting too much, causing my legs to collapse in.

>>7656369
Are you mecha anon?

Never tried to actually sit down and study shadows before beyond just blocking out the shapes

>>7654890
ty
>>7656369
also thank you. Yeah that dude in particular squats like that cause he has a permanently messed up knee and ankle, so he can't bend them all the way. He compensates by letting it cave in.
>>7660543
ye