Thread 7618459

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed rip: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/edit
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
mangapose.com
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life

Previous thread: >>7615986

first for: GODwell WILL return!

wow, it's me twice. big boob trump made it, small boob trump didn't...

>>7618459 (OP)
Norn on the op.

Chun Li sketches

I drew up like 10 bgs and erased all of them cause they were all god ugly, i wanna escape anime character floating in a void hell
>>7617738
Yep its lucifer's cute form
>>7617573
thanks anon

>>7618459 (OP)
I wonder whether the thread image is randomized. The thread starter has already proven to be able to write scripts to generate thread images, so maybe the ones here aren't even curated.

Big conspiracy theory!

>>7618480
i didn't make it so it is indeed a conspiracy

>>7618480
80% of the posts here are AI generated btw

>>7618473
You can try using abstract backgrounds or deepen your knowledge of perspective, composition and probably use alternative tools that speed up the process like Blender but without falling into the sin of becoming dependent. I calculate that the use of references is critical in cases like these. The human figure is quite complex in itself.

The liquid needs more work, it was a quick render due to fatigue

okay, this is probably the closest I've gotten to "trad" but I have to put too much pressure down to be comfortable with the brush. How do I fix this? Program is procreate

>>7618505
Looks good

Forgot picture and question doesn't make sense without picture, pls help
What about the brush should I change to make it need less pressure to work like this in procreate

>>7618509
Your work is great and your only problem is that you are a schizophrenic adhoid fuck who cant spend more than 1 minute on a drawing.
Being able to shit out all these sketches in 5 mins before your attention span collapses just shows how talented you are.

>>7618512
I've been getting better a bit about the ADHD, not better about the schizophrenia though
I'm trying to get a digital work flow down so I can sketch digitally with the same fluidity as trad
Thanks though, kind of you to say

>>7618509
Look for a pressure sensitivity curve setting and adjust it to look like the left one.

my highest effort drawing got the least likes
i won’t put in the effort anymore

>>7618509
I don't use Procreate, but Clip Studio, and there are options to activate pressure sensitivity and individual curves to customize the influence of this on the size, opacity and flow of the ink so maybe your app has something similar

>>7618515
Shut up.

>look at a brief introduction to perspective
>starts describing non-euclidean geometry and linear algebra on the third page
but i took up drawing to escape the concrete rules of the real world...

>>7618480
it's randomize from a curated image set to be fair I use all the drawings and regenerate until I find something I like

I built this tool last year too speed up the process, but I need to add more banners, but I love the ugliness of wordart
https://amethyst-chanda-85.tiiny.site/

>>7618515
Hahaha I never posted on the internet but this year I started doing it, I must say that looking for people's approval when you are not competent enough will kill your artistic motivation, or maybe you are simply not interested enough to get where you want to go, and although I understand that people's approval can directly influence your artistic motivation there must be more than just that, your main source of fuel to keep pushing, otherwise why would you invest your time and health in this?

>>7618514
>>7618516
Thanks both of you, I'm try now.

>>7618518
picasso's way? i never liked his art, can you call it art?

>>7618523
>otherwise why would you invest your time and health in this?
Money

>>7618525
My personal theory is that he was an asset of an intelligence agency to promote an agenda.
Either he had brain damage from STDs and lost his ability to draw or was replaced with a look alike who couldn't actually draw.

>>7618472
jesus, good penetration and suckin mechanics, i can feel the thrust and movement on those sketches, very good work man thought you need to work more on those hands, legs and feets, dont disreguard the legs-feets man, Chun Li is a legs fight style type of character

>>7618472
Are you the korean schizo anon? Your work manages to have tons of appeal even with exaggerated shapes just like him.

Redid the rendering, does the second one look better?

>>7618472
more like CHUNK Li

it hurts, but this is a valuable reminder
nobody even pretends to give a fuck if its a nobody or there is nothing of benefit for them attached ie advice critique praise
i keep relapsing into seeking kindness from others
maybe this time the lesson will hold a bit longer...

kind of addicted to drawing in red

Drawing is too hard.

>>7618546
If you think it looks good it's because you changed the lighting hierarchy and gave the spell priority, which is logical. In an outdoor environment with midday sun, the sun would be much stronger than the spell, so it would remain in the background, contributing little light to the character's shape. An environment with a low light value gives the spell the possibility of being the descriptor of the character's shape and surroundings. If it's not cel-shading, you could add a fill light to reveal shapes hiding on the shadow side, or a rim light.

>>7618574
Damn, I forgot to finish the idea...

... or a rim light to distinguish the character from the background on the shadow side.

>>7618568
Always has been

>>7618553
>literally admits he's trolling for (you)s
Why is everyone an asshole?

from end of last thread
anyways idk guys i think im just red blob anon now

>>7618589
Bodies are too malformed to be comparable to red-blob san

>>7618591
those are intentionally malformed don't worry
my normal malformed bodies usually have fucked up arms that are blocked off in those cuz I can't draw hands to save my life
faces are easy hands are hell

I was hoping for a new thread draw challenge.
I'm having trouble committing to something to draw. I'm having a ton of other issues rn so concentrating is hard.

>>7618595
same!

>>7618595
Here you go then. It will be interesting to see how anons deal with designing values with more cinematic photos

I think cats have become my go to warmup so now I'm stuck drawing them every single day for the rest of my life

>>7618595
>>7618600
i got you anons

>>7618606
Get this ugly shit outta here

>>7618595
Challenging enough?

>>7618606
I summon aiza anon to draw this

>>7618615
With Aiza's face!

>>7618606
finally, a challenge my pen was meant for. god bless

>>7618608
I got easy mode too if you are pus

>>7618622
>>7618615
Nooo. Don't give them a way out

>>7618584
>still crying, even after 10 years
Leaving all no-draws behind feels good man.

>>7618584
>oscarx
qrd?

>>7618624
I draw better than you though, kek

Holy humiliation ritual

>>7618626
pyw
you won't

>>7618624
>being a /beg/ after 10 years

>>7618634
mfw

>>7618629
Heh, i still find funny the poor guy in the video was raided and insulted while being completely unrelated to me.
You remind me of a certain schizo who had a pastebin about me and tried to spread it like a bible just to delete it after being made fun of by the very person he admired, dunno where he is now, probably killed himself.

>>7618632
Have a sketch

>>7618606
someone's been feeding her too many deer snacks...

>>7618631
>>7618634
He's one of the mythical permabegs, he's not worth trying to respond to
Quite funny how some anons here get better in 10 days than OscarX will ever be in 10 years

>>7618589
Stop putting on an act.

I did this really quick to troll the Shelly Duvall thread
>>7600065
My drawing sucks so I doubt anyone will get the joke. It's obscure to begin with.

>>7618648
pyw fag

>>7618665
>>7618641

>>7618656
i just like the joke because drawing in red is fun

don't turn a hobby into a job

>>7618541
Thanks for the critique, I’ll rework the legs, you are right.
>>7618544
I’m the Italian schizo, which may be redundant a bit. Thanks.
>>7618547
:)

Wow, this Loomis guy really knows his stuff! Praise Loomis!

death to talented rats

>>7618641
kino

uwu

>>7618629
>>7618584
>insulting and doxxing someone just because he can't draw well
rats are the lowest

>>7618684
nice dick head on that paige

>>7618685
being a beg in /beg/ is a cardinal sin

Have you ever noticed Steve Huston almost exclusive draws men with extremely muscular arms? is he gay? Gay Huston?

>nice dick head on that paige

never change /ic/

>>7618602
I tried some mixed media, but I rushed it and fucked it up. Whatever. I'll start over or do something else.

mooo!

>>7618698
now draw her giving milk

Another gundumb in conte
>>7618698
Cute

Im genuinely starting to hate drawing, im fucking tired of failing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, i genuinely need to get drunk or something, i cant handle the amount of frustration i have to suffer with this goddamn thing.

>>7618709
show us what failure means to you

>>7618709
Drawing drunk will only make you more frustrated, drawing high is where it's at.

>>7618715
>you have to enjoy things MY WAY or it doesn't count
Nah, he's right.

>>7618606
>>7618615
:)

>>7618689
ty I thought it looked cute
tried drawing some precum dribbles but my eraser on that particular pencil was too worn out to erase properly so I have up
in hindsight I think a prince Albert would've looked good too

>>7618693
muscular men are hottest when they're abusing non muscular men

>>7618729
Ahahhahahhahaah. Oh no no no

>>7618459 (OP)
Is constructive anatomy by bridgman any good? I just see drawings that i assume i have to copy and some random paragraphs here and there.

>>7618677
How do you get to the result on the left? How much do you measure and fix?
Got a timelapse?

she fucks bitches

>>7618693
If I need to draw men, I would draw them with strong arms and not noodles

>>7618709
mmm, I've already forgotten the number of times I felt frustrated. I stopped drawing for several days but I came back refreshed. It's probably not for you.

>>7618739
if you only see shapes that you have to copy it's because you are not understanding the purpose, bridgman's anatomy is the same as all the others and derive their design from the same way that these did or similar, its purpose is simple but complex to understand at first or when you do not have a properly trained mind, and they cover the need for a simplified anatomy or scheme that serves as a foundation for the construction of more complex forms, if you do not understand it is okay, you need more time to begin to see the truth, in the meantime and in any case you need to study the gesture of the pose, its structure, the anatomy of the human body and when you get to this last part you will realize that it is not worth drawing and knowing the location and name of the more than 600 muscles in the human body and that is why schemes are invented that simplify muscle groups to less than fifteen formed by simple three-dimensional shapes (spheres, cubes, cylinders) or a combination of the latter, although To understand the "why" of these simplified diagrams, you need to compare what they present to you in a simplified form with the real muscles.

construction practice from imagination

>>7618637
>>7618629
Is it a custom to bully permabegs then?

Who is your favorite permabeg?

>>7618776
Why would you? I mean, are you worried that if you don't they will be competing with you?
Only reason I can think to is to toughen them up.
But if they really are permanent then who cares?

I might define more the tails and add more details in the skin but pretty much done

>>7618786
Needs pubes and dampness on her nipples but otherwise coom/10.

>>7618786
100k likes on xitter

>>7618786
I think you overdid her right nipple.

>>7618781
permabegschizo

>>7618797
>Picks the worst one.

>>7618715
oh so life?

How do you grind? What's your workflow?

>>7618817
>open csp
>spend 10-20 min looking for a ref close enough to what i have in my mind
>give up and decide to use no ref
>draw 10 mins
>check phone
>think about going back to drawing
>open game instead
>play 1 round
>draw 15 mins
>check 4 chan
>watch youtube video
and yea that sums it up repeating basically hope it helps

>>7618817
I usually study random poses that I find and if I really like one then defelop it into a full piece

Some lineart practice by tracing, I’m feeling more comfortable with digital. I still have some trouble getting dark values with the same brush, but I’ll get there eventually.

One issue I have is filling without bleeding edges. I’m using Krita, and both the fill tool and the enclosure tool tend to bleed outside the edges of the lineart. The colorize mask is an option, but it feels like too much prep work. Any suggestions?

>>7618817
doodle everyday, study multiple times per week and 1 big project monthly.

Doodle can be simple or more complex but has to be something small so I can at least color sketch it too. I count figures as doodles.

>>7618786
nice, I would add more detail to the sweat drops and add a darker value on the wrist so it looks more squarish.

>>7618702
looks so cool

>>7618663
good job anon keep going

>>7618596
nice colors on the parfait, shade look a bit blurry

>>7618828
Thank you, but did you get the joke? (Shelly Duvall)

From rough idea to sketch.
How is it

>>7618831
sovl vs sovless

That's it for the night. The ref of the guy was unbelievably cringe
>>7618729
I kneel
>>7618828
Thanks. Were you primarily a trad artist up to now? What was your rationale for switching to digital?

>>7618843
I missed part of the girl's neck because I'm dumb lol

>>7618800
he's funny

>>7618828
>One issue I have is filling without bleeding edges. I’m using Krita, and both the fill tool and the enclosure tool tend to bleed outside the edges of the lineart. The colorize mask is an option, but it feels like too much prep work. Any suggestions?
I also come from a trad background, the the quicker you get confortable a lazo tool, the better, I grew tired of fill tools and magic wands.

>>7618837
Huh what you mean?

>>7618830
no anon sorry :(

>>7618831
the line art feels stiff specially the chin the nose looks oriental like from a pug. I like the concept, maybe study charles dana gibson.

>>7618848
good job anon the flowy hair strands looks like new vocabulary.

>>7618843
>Were you primarily a trad artist up to now? What was your rationale for switching to digital?
I’ve always done both, but digital drawing has never felt natural or similar to how I work with physical mediums. Painting is a different story, it’s much easier digitally than traditionally. For example, in traditional I use an overhand grip, which I can’t really do digitally. The natural way I control line weight is by tilting the pencil, and that feels cumbersome with a tablet. Also, the friction of paper acts as a natural stabilizer, which I miss.

My goal is to create loopable animations and simple assets, and both are much easier to do digitally.

>>7618851
I can’t use the lasso tool that way for me it’s slow, harder to control, and ends up giving you an ugly aliased outline. it’s faster to create a temporary layer and merge it when I’m done. The results are better and it works much faster. I just use the laso tool like you’d use a stencil for airbrushing in traditional media.

More figures, I only liked the outlined one, the rest are lousy, I need to observe more...

>>7618894
My goal is to eventually start animating things as well. I have drawn digitally, but like you said it feels undeniably inferior to trad. Maybe I'll look into animation sheets one day if I abandon the idea of doing digital.

>>7618894
She played Wendy in the shining. I drew the actress from the 97 Stephen King approved version, Rebecca De Mornay.

>>7618908
That's who >>7618663 is supposed to be?? I thought it was supposed to be Tonya Harding, but that made no sense as a joke.

>>7618639
Address the steak allegations.

>>7618913
Yeah, it's a stretch and my drawing isn't perfect. My wife recognized her, but we just watched that mini series last week so it was easy for her. That's what made me notice the thread.
Getting off topic, but Kubrick was trolling King hard and I wanted to compare the film and TV mini series. (I think Kubrick was accusing King of PDF file shit, but it's too long to explain.)

My friend thought I drew Taylor Swift.

>>7618553
This is an art critique board. Go to /adv/, /soc/ or Reddit for comfort. I really hope you learned your lesson, drama queens like you derail everything and poison threads. You'll never get real care anywhere, btw. Even on Reddit you get your socially programmed phrases, no real soul. You might as well ask ChatGPT for a pep talk.

>>7618914
From top left to bottom right:
True
False
False
False
It was a post mocking someone else but obviously hes gonna put it without context
False
False

>>7617805
copied from a figure drawing lesson, I tried adding cross contour lines to the limbs but I think I need a better understanding of anatomy to be able to add them to forms with this level of detail
I think a manageable medium-term goal would be for me to be able to copy another lesson like this and execute it with single, confident strokes, rather than blocking in what’s meant to be linework as I’ve done here
>>7618596
>>7618698
I really like these, can you post more of your work?

>>7618950
forgot to include the reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpH8T2CRlLI

i really suck at reading face angles sometimes and need help
would this be front perspective just slightly skewed to the right a bit? or is barely 3/4th?

they are in horror when they see the incel that i am

>>7618963
bro, that is 3d, not the classic 2d frontal, 3/4 frontal, lateral, etc ... but oh well it does not matter, if you have doubts and want to classify it use percentages, and since she has the frontal part more exposed than the side it is a frontal view ... also I will tell you that when one studies from a reference or real life a part of the drawing is achieved by taking measurements and proportions and the other by applying gestures and structure ... on the other hand 3/4 is 0.75, that means in percentages that 75% of the face is visible, and if we treat a frontal view as 4/4 or 1 it makes sense that in a side view the relationship is 2/4 or 50% of the visible face and finally in a 1/4 view it would be 25% of the visible face, that is, seeing the objective from more or less a few degrees towards the side of the back of the head on the vertical axis, which should reveal more or less a little nose, some eye and a hint of mouth if i didnt fucked my simulation...

ONE DAY I WILL MAKE IT

There is a better way to draw the fingers without using circles?

I've developed a taste for long tongues in women. I can feel that a succubus absolutely needs a long tongue that can wrap itself around the penis

>>7618983
thanks for pointing it out i hadnt realized lol. i drew the body first but then i wanted to add perspective on the background but i didn't realize that they dont match lol

>>7618986
toungue needs to be one of a serpent for succubus

>>7618988
it depends on artistical choises

>>7618983
dont get confused, i used to think perspective had only one vanishing point, i was wrong, it can have as many vanishing points as you want or entities you have, the road and the character has different vanishing points and i think scott robertson explains it in his book

>>7618990
ooooh okay i see, so your redline what was it meant to be? Is it that the neck is too long or the perspective?

>>7617723>>7617601
Page 28 done. This anon gave me a low blow in my already suffering guts >>7618511 , wich I was expecting, but still hurts. I'm not deciding shit, This is exactly what happens in the book, and it gave me PTSD when I'd read that chapter. So much that I had to do this coomixxx to, somehow, exorcise that anger and pain. I can't change a classic book, that would be immature and dumb, but I wanted to make the character aware, to give him a sensible consciousness to feel guilt and pain. Funnily what I wanted to achieve drawing that, actually happened at the end of the book when the Hierodules present to him mock ups of his past crimes, and that nasty Severian even makes fun of how inaccurate those fake memories are, but, that's what I tried to do, to make him aware, to point and say "Look at what you did, you piece of shit! APOLOGIZE!". But it's just a personal cope, Severian found redemption through performing countless terrible sins, I don't like that message, but anyways, I managed to get that out of my system.
On another note, reading again that gruesome chapter, I can be almost totally certain that Morwenna actually used the poison on herself as well, after pouring it on Eusebia's bouquet she had it on her hands. In the book, (as I quoted almost exactly) Morwenna doesn't react to the punishment, and the way Gene writes that part almost screams at your face that Morwenna was out as soon as "Her pale, long-lashed eyelids fell", I wanted to draw her showing a last shock reaction with her eyes wide open, but, the book is pretty clear, that she's not "there" anymore. And you may say, "oh come on, you fucker, you made up a whole crazy ass sex encounter and that shit about Eusebia giving her the poison and you care about one detail at the end?" Well, that fucking end is what makes this shit meaningful so I really cared about not changing any of that final moment
Alright two more pages to wrap this up and I'll go back to reading some other shit for a while

>>7618459 (OP)
Designing a modern outfit for an OC. The upside down cross is pretty cringe but it's got good shape language. Long and slender like his build while being symmetrical. All is all it breaks up the plane coloured T without drawing too much attention

Thoughts?

>>7618986
Nice studies. I should do something like this myself. For eyes too.

>>7618976
3spooy5me

>>7619035
how is the cross of st peter cringe

>>7619002
let's take it one step at a time, the neck was too long in proportion to the body, taking into account that this is not the style you are looking for given that I have seen illustrations with that characteristic, on the other hand the perspective is fine if you did it consciously, I can see that you tried to apply it to the body, you can always sketch the expected perspective and draw having it in another layer, what I miss in most beginner drawings is the appropriate use of three-dimensional shapes, I think that many think in an iconographic way (I read it somewhere and I don't remember) and not in a spatial, three-dimensional way, as if they were rendering engines

>>7619024
Oops, that was me. I had no context of the story, so I just wrote what came to my mind. If it were me, I'd change it.

>>7619039
thought that was goatse in the top right

>>7619024
you're doing great peril, they just don't know what's going on in the story narrative so are making judgements without the context of being authentic to the universe the comic takes place in. you've put a lot of work into keeping this authentic to the story/narrative despite your discomfort and that's artistically a really good thing. people often struggle to understand the importance of sticking to a story narrative when creating fan media even when the purpose is obvious.
as for this, i enjoy how severians language changes to being more mechanical when you actually get to the execution because it fits the "I do my job, I just don't describe it" part that's referred to pretty explicitly. he divorces himself more from the complexity of his emotion when he's doing acts of the guild, and the text drop and language change reflects that well.

>>7619042
That's very good edge control.

kitty kitty
>>7618554
for some reason i thought you where a pencil and paper user
>>7618698
ahwwww

>>7618554
is this trad? if not, what software and brush?

>>7619045
cute monk
i ammmm i just do have an ipad that's the first time I've drawn digital in a while besides commission stuff because I don't normally like it most of my stuff is trad, someone told me to try drawing on a darker canvas to see if I'm more comfortable since I already use toned paper (I am)
>>7619048
procreate with the procreate pencil, I haven't figured out how to change the pressure curve without it going weird yet so it's just default. ipad 8th generation 10.2in with apple pencil 1st generation.
i would prefer to use csp but it doesn't have the same brush engine, and as I've found out as a trad person the brush engine is really important to making things feel natural

>>7619036
The cross and story behind it are perfectly fine. The reputation it has in modern day is cringe.

>>7619035
what a cutie

>>7618950
>can you post more of your work?
yeah sure, idk what you want to see tho.

>artists are attention whores
>ignore 90% of begs who actually post their art
>drown howie and similar schizos in (You)s every single time they post even if it's just a 2 years old copypasta
>"hmm why is ic full of schizos and nodraws? it's simply a mystery"

>>7619065
This is me btw
31, ugly, no real career just from job to job, lost my hair at 29 notalent draw, stuck in a shitty house that won't sell
Suicide looking mighty enticing desu

>>7619042
This is lovely, having such contrast while not making them look mainly/rigid is really impressive to me
>>7619035
Your style is very interesting, it reminds me of something but I can't quite remember
>>7618831
I love how shapely the collar bone is, and how you stylized the nose

Little warmup I did before doing a real drawing which I'm working on right now

ugleh...

>>7619081
Manly* not mainly oops

>>7618695
When drawing hair, I'd suggest doing big forms and filling them in rather than individual hairs, and using highlights to hint at the idea of individual hairs. Another thing is maybe thinking about the direction of thing/how they're tilted in relation to the camera. (like how in the ref, the mouth is pointed down) Youtube should have some good exercises for it/say it in a way that makes more sense, felt this pic from google kind of translates what I mean

Nonetheless keep going, I think starting over would be good, give you something to directly compare it to and try changing things that don't look right to you

>>7619080
me in 6 years

>>7619087
Rejoice in knowing that with some luck the nukes have dropped by then and we're all dust

>>7619058
do you have more of your colour work? like the dessert you posted in the collage

>>7618602
Love these challenges way more than the figure ones. The lighting and fabric made this one especially fun

>>7619089
I doubt it, nothing ever happens

face and hand sucks
anything else ive fucked up on?

>>7619117
This is wonderful, good job anon

>beg int
>most of the time its adv wankery
Get your own thread braggart talentRATS

>>7619129
I'm a rat but am still a begsissy. I need the strong advdaddies ITT to groom me so that I can one day bully you, so I welcome them.

>>7618602
Tried do these. Not perfect attempts but that's how it is sometimes

>>7619129
>adv
Where lol

Slow progress

>>7619136
And what would be the point post and ask for advice and critique here if there werent people with more knowledge here.

>>7619143
AdvGODS lurk in the shadows and dispense critiques as they please. They have no real reason to post their art here because they're on a much higher level.

how do you draw hands?

>>7619149
What's wrong with getting critique from people who know what they're doing?

>>7619152
If you follow that guide you'll surely be able to draw hands.

>>7619149
Russia anon has posted original works a few times I think

even though I am broke I sacrificed some money on these because Bridgman has mostly failed me. mashallah

>>7619203
>ordering physical books
>spending actual money on art books
Uwot?

>>7619203
Aren't these available online? E-hentai and sites like that? I you're gonna spend money, buy sketchbooks and quality graphite pencils. Or get into some atelier art class.

>>7619203
Dude. Why don't you just get these from a library. You do have libraries right?

>>7619102
yeah

>>7619085
I ended up having other things to do, but ty for the advice. Part of the problem is that this is a perishable skill and handling the water pen filled with ink was hard to do. I had forgotten that the heat from your hand increases the pressure and that was made worse by the fact that if you get stressed and squeeze even a little bit fine lines become impossible.
I stopped drawing and a lot of things out of depression (IRL shit happened, not blogging it) and I'm trying to get back to where I was.
I was trying too many things at once and drawing hair with a brush needs to be careful and slow and I was just in a hurry to get my "skills" back (I wasn't really that good but better than this.)
I'll try drawing again today when I can take time.

>>7619208
>>7619207
>>7619206
i write in my anatomy/work books and highlight really heavily (my Bridgman book is mutilated) or else I don't internalize shit, I can read fiction books but with this stuff I need to trace, highlight and sticky note as much as possible

>>7619050
thanskies :3

oh you have procreate, the brush i use is really really similar to the vine brush (i use csp so i had to import that one)
but its like butter on a screen

God I wish I was better at this. I just want to be able to do a nice simple sketch that captures a likeness realistically. Gonna go to the gym and then keep grinding.

>>7618606
Chubby Challenge
>>7619041
Tremor? I'm so glad there's someone here who knows the book and can appreciate this lol. Are you happy now? There you have her, justice has been served for your sake, lmao. I wish I could decipher the meaning of the dream Severian has at the beginning of the chapter/book, when he sees the severed head of Morwenna and from her mouth the image of her husband and son dying. It's not clear what that means exactly to have a clear meaning.
>>7619038
>Oops, that was me
LOL, that's fine anon, I was expecting someone to say something like that prompting me to write that disclaimer anyway. heh.. You wouldn't change it if you read the book, you probably wouldn't want to draw anything from it since it's all painful and gritty. I could wear your name there, I draw the damsel in distress all the time because I love them and I love to feel that sensation men feel when the ladies are in distress, that desperate instinct to save them, it takes out the good side of men when they have it, lol

>>7618848
>>7618843
You're great sketchy anon
>>7618831
THIS IS NICE! !!
>>7618468
Your stuff is always so freaking cool
>>7618908
Oh Rebecca she was so sweet and beautiful as Milady... fucking musketeers bunch of faggots killing her like that, they won't have peace in hell neither
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjeDH-7sVLA

>>7618606
Chubby Challenge
>>7619041
Tremor? I'm so glad there's someone here who knows the book and can appreciate this lol. Are you happy now? There you have her, justice has been served for your sake, lmao. I wish I could decipher the meaning of the dream Severian has at the beginning of the chapter/book, when he sees the severed head of Morwenna and from her mouth the image of her husband and son dying. It's not clear what that means exactly to have a clear meaning.
>>7619038
>Oops, that was me
LOL, that's fine anon, I was expecting someone to say something like that prompting me to write that disclaimer anyway. heh.. You wouldn't change it if you read the book, you probably wouldn't want to draw anything from it since it's all painful and gritty. I could wear your name there, I draw the damsel in distress all the time because I love them and I love to feel that sensation men feel when the ladies are in distress, that desperate instinct to save them, it takes out the good side of men when they have it, lol

>>7618848
>>7618843
You're great sketchy anon
>>7618831
THIS IS NICE! !!
>>7618468
Your stuff is always so freaking cool
>>7618908
Oh Rebecca she was so sweet and beautiful as Milady... fucking musketeers bunch of faggots killing her like that, they won't have peace in hell neither
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjeDH-7sVLA

tired of being a permabeg. Job sucks, my art sucks, life sucks. all I got is money and no it doesnt make me happy. will this ever change?

>>7619281
90% of capturing a likeness is in the eyes
Open yours

>>7618497
thanks for the advice, I think i'll shift to doing backgrounds only for a bit to get the hang of it. Anyway i have a question, are backgrounds something you need to plan before a piece to get it looking good or can you slap it in the back of an existing piece and still have it look nice.

>>7619152
I love Ryo Imamura

>>7619318
me too

warm up
>>7619249
yeah that makes sense, I wish csp had more natural feeling brushes..
>>7619289
cute tubby, yeah that was me. i am happy, it was very hard for me to read after growing so attached to her but I'm very happy you carried through because I know you were struggling. thank you.

>>7619293
nah, i'm making money with art and my life still sucks
it's a mind problem

Was considering switching programs but realized it was just a skill issue

>>7619336
how to fix?

>>7619348
you can't, we've been born like this, we're not normal

>>7619354
this saddens me because i know its true. its always been like this and always will be like this. all i can do is drink beer and hope i wont wake up tomorrow

So I’m currently working for animation in Japan but I’m frustrated with how much of the industry is —ironically — not based in fundamentals. Most people here seem to have learned by copying line work mechanically rather than going through something that teaches you anatomy and construction inside out. Ironically, applying fundamentals to the letter results in work that looks “wrong” since there are so many errors that happen consistently throughout anime (eg heads changing proportions as they turn in 3 dimensions), one ends up *having* to discard fundamentals to a degree and just repeat the same mistakes.

While that’s my job, I personally want to learn traditional art and draftsmanship. Would purchasing a new master’s academy subscription be a good supplement to study art traditionally outside of working hours?
Maybe even enrollment in a master’s/phd at a trad art school?

>>7619209
i want to take a bite of the glass

>>7619365
You're so freaking cool anon! What places do you go to chill after work in the animation studio? Jap hotties must be all over you, god the envy is killing me

>going to hit 110 for the next few days
don't think I can draw

>>7619365
Isn't it mostly CGI now anyway?

>>7619365
>but I’m frustrated with how much of the industry is —ironically — not based in fundamentals.
hasn't that been known for decades now? used to hear loads of stories from the 80's and 90's on how some directors would do the key art themselves so no one else would fuck it up

>>7619385
Sometimes CGI traced over frame to frame. There are specialists who know how to handle movement between frames that aren’t depicted through CGI, they do most of the heavy lifting. Then there are many other staff who are handed 3d models pre-posed to use to clean up the line work of those frames

going through fun with a pencil, how do overlaps work? the cheek/sausage on the left is overlapped by the face but still looks like it's in front of the head. what's going on?

>>7619396
Imagine the blowjobs

>>7619365
this is bait and if not incredibly naive/moronic. If true just schedule a 1 on 1 sessions with one of the multiple senior pros that offer the service, steve huston, nathan fowkes, richard smitheman and many more.

>>7619387
The impression I have so far as a newbie is that it’s an industry of a few masters who are eager to provide a space for inexperienced people to learn on the job, but it’s not really possible for people to learn just by copying day after day. There’s a passive aggressive frustration that appears from lack of improvement over time and it gets considered to be purely a difference in talent as opposed to something to do with the teaching methods

>>7618459 (OP)
Warm up. I'm starting to notice my cute-girl-ology gains.

>>7619347
wheres good Krita brushes, tired of the standard ones

>>7619365
I doubt this is true for the simple fact that every single Japanese animator and aspiring animator constantly post their studies on twitter. Alternatively, go look at Yoshinari's rough sketch art book and tell me that he doesn't study fundamentals.

>Find the DA account of an artist I like
>Start looking through their work
>Took them a solid decade to get as good as they are now and even then their work is still riddled with mistakes
Huh
Puts some things in perspective

>>7619396
You're doing great, actually. If you're tired of making fat ugly male faces, my suggestion is to pause your Loomis studies and go to the dynamic sketching general. Dynamic sketching goes into overlapping forms and will get you started on observational sketching. It's a more structured course that will give you the tools you need to approach what you're trying to do and will let you branch out into other things if you so choose.

>>7619403
Those are exceptions to a humongous industry producing hundreds of unknown work per year. Their productions are much more exclusive about who’s allowed in to work on them. Within Japan, the works of that quality are also a relatively small percentage of a larger amount of works released per year, most of which are of lower quality.

If one looks at the industry as a whole, and the majority of work the average person entering the industry receives, it’s a different story

For every aspiring animator posting solid studies, there are dozens more with only a handful of followers lacking in fundamentals who end up with work — sometimes sooner than people with solid fundamentals — because it fits better with the average level of quality on the majority of productions

>>7619365
Kazuya Tsurumaki had an interview a long long time ago where he stated that unlike he and his peers at Gainax, the younger hires had gone through actual training at art colleges and did things like drawing/painting plaster casts and still lives. He said he seriously doubted at the time whether that sort of training (drawing plaster casts) was necessary for drawing anime.

>>7619297
Show me how it's done big guy.

pain

>>7619402
I don't use Krita so I wouldn't know I use magma so I wouldn't know

>>7619448
10 missed calls from Vilppu-sensei

>>7619430
I think these types of stories are part of what lead to a kind of defeatist attitude when it comes to training newcomers in the anime industry, that naturally talented people such as Tsurumaki hope industry newcomers can figure it out on their own, that there isn’t really a “training method”.
As far as I know, the activities of working with plaster casts and still lives in Japanese after school art clubs and classes are often treated as observational exercises rather than acquiring construction and shape knowledge, which one needs for animation.

With regard to this separation between observational and construction exercises, and on the topic of Gainax, it’s also interesting to note that Anno ended up in anime rather than fine art because he was considered too talented of an artist in elementary school and forbidden from participating in art activities due to it discouraging other students. On the other hand, he was allowed to draw from anime, but he was mostly interested in mechanical studies of machinery from anime, such as diagrams of the Yamato.

I wonder if it’s simply a kind of talent/acquisition specifically for animation relevant skills of construction.

>>7619458
Holy mother of larpers, how much are they paying in that studio animation-anon-sensei? Is it enough to live comfortably in japanland?

i was studying alongside a video and wondering why the fuck I was having to scribble to move at the same speed as the person doing it and it turns out it's because he was speeding up all the parts where he wasn't talking kms

pawell...

What is the proper way to hold a pencil so you don't fuck up your hand after hours of drawing? My wrist starts hurting after a while.

>>7619473
There really is no proper way, it's all dependent on what feels and works best for you. I switch my grip depending on what I'm doing. Try overhand, underhand, tripod, etc and see what you like best.

>>7619473
use your elbow and shoulder more depending on what you're doing

noonie

4 tries just to realize the sketch was fucked to begin with ugh

>>7619484
aw, so cute. Kinda reminds me of something actually......

I'm making a game about an abusive prince with a crippled right arm and a limp, I've been told my art is shit, I'd like some help. I don't know anything about art or fundamentals, I used Freedan from Illusion of Gaia as a reference.

>>7619473
Don't death grip it, loosen up your grip. Also, weightlifting/wrist curls/stretching.

>>7619495
Believe in the Japanese man who believes in you
https://youtu.be/KxGRhd_iWuE
>>7619289
Thanks. Feels weird having been given a moniker lmao. You actually made her really attractive, well done.

Made silly gif this morning.

Not sure if 4chan compression is going to fuck this, but could I get some critique here?
I unironically feel like my sketches are better than my final pieces, something about the "good" lines feels really unnatural and stiff/plastic. Any thoughts on why that might be happening? I think at least part of it comes from my inexperience in rendering, but I still feel like the lines-only is still kind of stilted. I think the uniform line thinkness is part of it too?

>>7619527
>final piece
All you did was put flat colors. Of course its going to look like shit

>>7619529
>All you did was put flat colors. Of course its going to look like shit
Yeah I'm sure that's part of it, but I sort of just gave up because the lines didn't look right to me and I don't think I can fix it without just doing it again

>>7619498
Read Pixel Logic. Scrap this design, but keep the armour colour, it's the only interesting part

>>7619532
Freedan:
- Pauldrons
- Blonde mane
- Shiny armor
- Red cape
- Big ass sword

Anon's OC:
- ???

Finally got to sit down and cover all the pencil lines in pen

>>7619527
>the uniform line thinkness is part of it
I would say you hit the nail on its head
The rufflling on the skirt also looks superficial, and the cardigan could use more creasing.

>>7619535
Pretty cool, I guess you'd get a kick from Peter Draws' art

studying your weaknesses feels so fucking grating
>>7619535
awesome stuff

I like making low quality and low effort comics of me and my boyfriend

>>7619536
>>7619536
>I would say you hit the nail on its head
I'm too retarded to actually execute on this, I usually just pick one brush and go. How do anons usually do it? Start from the exterior with the thickest and then step down for interior lines?
Also I've been studying a whole bunch of artists' lines and tried to replicate the more "natural" brush strokes, but I'm either not using the right pen (in Krita) or being too autistic

>>7619496
of what anon

>>7619549
of something in particular

>>7619500
>>7619473
This. I found as I get older that my bones are more sensitive to long pressure and if I'm unconsciously squeezing or pressing then I develop short term chronic pain there.
This has happened to my left foot while driving in bad traffic, to my off hand when painting miniatures, to my wrist when sleeping on it trying not to wake my wife who was recovering from an illness.

Bla, bla, bla, just check every 5 minutes to see if you're exerting excess force.

When I was younger I heard that grade school teachers used to walk up behind you and pull the pencil out of your hand while you were writing. If you held on to it, you were writing too hard. Probably boomer bullshit, but you get the point.

>>7619551
let me know if you figure it out

>>7619545
Generally, use thicker lines for the silhouette of the figure as well as larger parts of the body, thinner lines for smalller body parts and finer details. Just play around with brush size.

Practice for the day

>>7618745
The shortstack goblin on the left is of another, much more skilled artist. To get that result you might wanna use a watercolor pencil brush or alcohol marker brush, between 3-5 pixels wide, opacity at 60-70% and use the eraser to fade in lines afterwards.

WIP I know his right arm elbow joint is all kinds of fucked up

>>7619579
Not to mention you gave the character the world's smallest traps

>>7619057
Thanks friend!

>>7619081
Interesting. Would love to know just out of curiosity if you ever remember.

Your work here actually reminds me a lot of the art used by Failbetter games during their Sunless Sea era.

>>7619146
Lookin good Anon. Love her shapes.

>>7619316
>>7619483
Really like your linework here, anon.

>>7619543
Cute.

>>7619543
These are fun…

>>7619545
Thanks dawg

>>7619587
Yeah ok I'll trap him up

The pose still looks awkward as fuck but I guess it improved overall. I need to stop being a coward about feet lol.

Did a few more. Things seemed to go a little better after being warmed up.

know this looks weird but does it look too weird

Unironic, who recommends Bridgeman? How can and should a beginner draw this?

>>7619627
No, it looks good
The only thing off about it is the right leg, the lining makes it look like the thigh is two lumps squished together
Other than that nitpicking, it looks nice

>>7619623
Maybe is the left leg was out more it would look less awkward? She looks like she’s leaning forward. The left leg would make it look like she has more support and make the pose more natural in general

>>7619623
just rotate the body a bit since the balance is off, the arms are a bit awkward as well, for help with that i suggest trying the pose yourself irl to get an idea of where the arms and hands would naturally lie.

>>7619625
I will say the Cushing portrait is pretty close. The women's heads are too short, top right in particular. The other two have features that are too large for the head that's drawn.

>>7619627
Personally, the winking eye strays a bit too close to abstraction. Torso crumples into a mess at the hip.Yeah, idk about this. Maybe it'll come together with some tightening.

How do I make the bottom panel wave look okay? I can do still water, but not moving water.

>>7619636
>>7619645
Looks like she is dancing haha
Thanks for the recommendations.

I rushed, but couldn't finish.
Considering that, the horse came out recognizable/believable - while the figure, something I practice all the time, looks warped.
Referenced from two images.

Skipped the cat warmup. Chommang's technique really didn't prepare me for the high tilt of the second guy's head so I had to completely wing it
>>7619535
Kino alert
>>7618986
Please post more studies; they're awesome and I'll save them all

>>7619654
I sorta see it some of the warping issues: too low ass, the entire structure of it and the hips need to be higher, torso too short, legs uuuhhh... best to erase. But yeah, things for tomorrow.

>>7619655
If anyone wants to try

>>7619634
thanks! ill work on the leg

>>7619647
yeah i agree the torso is off, the gesture looks so good with it like this though that I don't really wanna fix it unless it's really broken. Maybe I'll try and find a middle ground. The winking eye is staying though hehe

>>7619653
ONE TWO
ONE TWO

>>7619654
>>7619656
Why'd you delete it nigga? Really liked the horse btw

How can I improve on this?

I usually draw with references, here's a simple full body sketch drawn by imagination. How is it?

couldn't finish and I rushed the anatomy, so that the legs were unrecoverable, had to erase it to have anything to show. Torso was also too short. Might give it a try tomorrow again, but probably not. Perhaps from scratch.

>>7619670
Well what are you looking to improve?

I'd appreciate critique or a redline on the upper body here, it's tricky to understand how to pose the right shoulder. No good refs to work with.

>>7619669
I cannot afford to cringe before bed. "Fixed" by erasing:
>>7619672

I often post and immediately delete my stuff. The cringe is too strong.

>>7619676
One non-drawing skill you have to master is getting over potential embarrassment. There's really nothing to be embarrassed about, especially here where everyone is learning and trying to improve
>deleted it again

>>7619674
Composition, lighting, and my rendering in general

>>7619676
anon deleting your posts over fear of embarrassment is infinitely more cringe than any mistakes you could potentially make in a drawing
I’m not even saying this that to encourage you to post your work, it really is just cringe. Grow up and lose your pride

>>7619633
Deeranon.....

dont know what to do about colors, also any Ideas what I could draw next ?

>>7619653
>>7619667
Lmao.
I think the problem is that she's still leaning too far forward even with her leg moved out to support her. Her arms are kind of hanging there in an unnatural way too. I'd recommend some gesture drawing to understand natural human movement. Trust old man Vilppu with your life

>>7619687
I've moved on to something new to not understand. My days of Bridgman are over..

>>7619633
Bridgeman is useless unless you can draw cubes, which most begs cant. I'd recommend starting it once you hit low int otherwise it'll just go over your head.

>>7619664
Here's the thing: the figure's left leg wouldn't be bent toward the viewer in this pose. The leg would kicked out to the side or behind the figure.

>>7619699
Morpho references Bridgman (check the lastish page). You can't escape.

>>7619633
Perilfag did the whole 1001 Bridgman's Book, and posted it here years ago. I don't think he wants to post all of that again, it was like a hundred full pages.

>>7619703
I can draw a cube so hopefully now.......
the problem is the text in Bridgman is indecipherable, I've beaten the shit out of my book trying to understand but I just can't cope... I heard Morpho is explained better for low attention span retards. Also I did some anatomy anki so I should struggle less with terminology function. I can do it okay... It'll definitely work this time...

>>7619687
why did u assume that was deeranon?

>>7619714
Dunno, it looked liek deer-kun artstyle.

>>7619671
Berry nice
>>7619675
What are you trying to convey with the pose

I need help with learning from studies
I used to take a reference image, redline over it with simple shapes, then right next to it do my best to copy the redline
But I stopped doing it because I didn't feel like I was learning anything
What should I do?
I want to learn more about making things volumetric so all my art doesn't look so flat and I also want to learn how to draw from imagination and do better studies. I still get proportions wrong a lot if I don't do the redline

My idea is to redline it, copy it, then draw it from memory but I'm not sure how to make it volumetric

>>7619724
More with some gesture studies

>>7619722
Coincidentally, something similar to the other pose you've replied to. I'm likely overcomplicating it by twisting the upper torso to the side.

>>7619702
oops i didnt see and went with the opposite lmao, ill give your suggestion a try when i have more time thank you!

God hates symmetry tool users

>>7619627
>>7619728
squeak squeak

>>7619716
it's because I've studied Bridgman a bit, just never adequately or to completion

>>7619737
then why did he use the symmetry tool to make humans?

>>7619741
You are not symmetrical. Check your nostrils or ears. Check your birthmarks or other body marks.

>>7619742
subhuman cope LOL

>>7619744
>xe doesn't have a testicle that droops lower than the other one
Spawn of S*tan.

>>7619684
It's not cringe to me.

I have to live with that feeling and I never regret deleting something.
It's good to have a minimal standard. What's the point of getting work critiqued you already see a dozen errors with. Too bad I'm quick to share and take a linger look after posting. Some days I just have the time to finish a piece to acceptable standards.

>>7619678
After the fundies

>>7619746
>What's the point of getting work critiqued you already see a dozen errors with.
Because if you made the mistake then you probably don't have an answer for how to fix it. You could have gone to bed and an anon might have taken the time to help you with your problem. Now you'll go to bed and be guaranteed to wake up with no help. Enjoy the frustration and slow progress you'll face tomorrow because you were too afraid of failure today, it's all on you.

im about this asymmetrical

What do you think about drawing stuff on a small whiteboard with a marker pen roughly and then erasing it and doing that over and over again so you can grasp forms? It's very easy to do because I can just keep the marker board by my computer and grab it whenever the urge hits me, but will this actually transfer back to pencil on paper and make you any better at drawing with a higher accuracy tool?

>>7618459 (OP)
Alright, first time posting after having hesitated for years at this point. But I am seeing improvements based on actually trying to understand references. Any feedback here? I feel shading and line weight is my greatest weakness so far but I don't quite know how to improve. I'll post an image of my ref if needed.

>>7619758
Actually yeah fuck it, I'll post the ref too, it's better this way to have a more objective judgement on what I am missing.

>>7619758
Akagi/Kaiji fan?

>>7619762
Yes, though ironically I've drawn eyes like that since before I got into FKMT's works. I originally wanted to try drawing it realistically like the ref, but it looked...strange so I went with my usual stylized attempt. I'll try more variety in the future and will work on that more in the future.

>>7619758
do you like ogata from.golden kamuy

>>7619767
Never seen that series before.

>>7619767
What is the deal with the sudden shilling of that series?

Can I post rori here? the rori general is fcked.

IDK why I h gave him a gladius lol

>>7619777
Clothed? Yeah.

>The practice method I mentioned last night, I tried it just now. It didn’t turn out well.
>When I recommended this practice to a junior colleague, they strongly protested, saying, “It’s completely useless. Doing this won’t make you better.”
>As for what happened to that colleague afterward, they quickly surpassed me and became a big shot at another company, so it’s true that it wasn’t useful.
I wonder how much this applies to /beg/ posts...

>>7619781
Who is the op?

>>7619781
Draw a box has taken many a victim.

>>7619783
https://x.com/sim_kyrm

>>7619786
>>7619785
>>7619783
>>7619781
https://minimumwagesketchbook.com/

>>7619778
That's better than a stupid machete. A ceremonial looking blade like that gladius is much better.

>>7619788
Pawellian

>>7619800
Wish I could draw.

How is it?

>>7619811
muh nigga, That's fire

>>7619811
New fortnite skin just dropped

>>7619802
i can only draw floating anime heads

>>7619811
holy shit
make it into one of those bootleg bart figures

>>7619811
which south american futbol team does he support?

Brain is starting to fry early tonight
>>7619764
Based taste.
Are you using gesture to build the foundation of your figure before you start constructing the body? The pose ref and your pic are quite a bit different in gesture alone. You're missing a lot of the action that the ref has and it weakens the drawing. You should try drawing the ref you posted again but stay faithful to the anatomy and gesture. After you get more comfortable, try drawing in your stylized form again but be sure to sketch out the gesture first.

Decided to start doing some daily Bridgman studies as warmups. Less concerned with copying his illustrations 100% than I am with understand what he's illustrating.

Hopefully it pays off with time.

>>7619850
mogs me. Bad.

>>7619850
what is Bridgman and why is everyone talking about it ?

>>7619590
Thanks anon
>>7619775
reminds me of baki's design during the flashback portion of the early manga, I like it a lot

>>7619856
An illustrator best known for breaking down and teaching anatomy.

Also love your androgynous guys/gals.

>>7619851
Thanks friend! We're all going to make it.

>>7619859
Thank you! yes I googled him but why is he so popular now?I read his name a lot the last few months.

think this is what im going with

>>7619860
I'm not sure why he may have had a sudden spike in popularity lately but he's been considered one of the go to resources for artists serious about learning anatomy for decades now. Frank Frazetta attributes his skills with anatomy to what he learnt from Bridgman's books.

But generally when new artists ask 'what should I study' the answer is generally 'Loomis, Bridgman & Perspective made Easy' to cover all the fundamental bases.

>>7619876
okay that explains enough, I never did such studies myself but maybe I will in the future. I just look extremely long at things I want to draw and then try to draw them. Once tryed this draw a box thing...it was stupid. atleast for me

>>7619872
Rin so cute nonnie

i think i need adhd meds before i can draw
im just constantly calling myself a fucking retard while i scribble down where i think things should go then i try to focus on what im doing for like 5 seconds before getting jittery and calling myself a worthless fucking retard again
why is it so hard being so fucking stupid

>>7619888
Deeranon...

>>7619889
im not sure who that is sorry but i bet they are more focused and more disciplined and more hardworking than me

Why does this look off and weird and shit?
I feel like it is wrong but I cant tell why.
I squint my eyes trying to trick my brain into giving me a new perspective but I am being FOOLED.
It also took me way too fucking long (20mins) to sketch THIS DOGSHIT.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The face still looks flat, her jaw is too deformed, her left cheekbone is too high, her eyes are lazy.
Am I right or am I going insane?
I cant fucking draw after wageslaving my fucking brain refuses to want to think anymoreeeeeeeeee
Ignore everything but the face plz.

>>7619778
Because he's glad he ate her?

>>7619880
Honestly I'm no sure exactly what you would get out of studying him. Your anatomical knowledge seems pretty spot on.

Bridgman is a lot more fun than Drawabox tho.

>>7619872
Very nice man.

Thoi I do prefer her Len.

>>7619894
The face and hair look good to me. I'm not seeing the extreme deformity. The only weird bit is how the bow is drawn/how flat it is, but that part is sketched more lightly, I guess.

>>7619894
What's with her hair?

>>7619894
no loomis

>>7619882
ty :D

>>7619900
maybe it is len

>>7619820
>>7619811
>Bootleg Simpsons merch
So back in the late 80's my brother and his writing partner get tapped by Fox to write a pilot for a mid season replacement based on some Tracy Ullman animated shorts. They are given a verbal promise of a cut of the merch. Bart Simpson t shirt sales explode (both legit but mostly bootleg). He and Mike decide "well, we'll just wait until the show is cancelled and then sue."

They're still waiting.

When I saw him last year I asked how that was going. At dinner at the restaurant he pulls his settlement from Fox out of his FUCKING pocket. One of the lines "merchandise $0.00" (He still works for them, Mike retired.)
I guess that's why he was on the picket lines with the writers despite technically being management.

Sneed.

You want me to send him your Bart drawing? He liked this one, Sneedy Gonzalez. IDK where I found it.

>>7619849
My cats feel stiff so I'm trying to exaggerate their gestures a bit more

>>7619913
Yeah send it to him please.

>>7619919
Well, he saw it. Didn't say anything.

>>7619938
I swear to god I see a gorilla in the thumbnail

Looking for advice and criticism

>>7619894
lmfao

>>7619903
Her hair is retarded like that.
>>7619902
Oh that was doodled.
>not seeing the extreme deformity
It is THERE!
>>7619908
But doctor! I did use Roomis!
>>7619962
NO BULLY

i drew casca
>>7619946
The rendering on the left arm is cool, but the top of her hand looks very flat.

Has science gone too far?

>>7619894
>>7619963
are you using refs? you should always use ref if you're not good enough

>>7619996
No. I wanted to see if I could do something from imagination and failed horribly.

>>7619758
Great work, anon. This pose is incredibly difficult. I feel that gesture and empathy are your greatest weaknesses. The pose doesn’t feel powerful or combative. It feels more sickly and like someone about to cough. When you're in a guard position, you’re never loose. In fact, you're fighting the urge to drop your guard. Bas Rutten is a great reference for understanding what to watch out in fighting poses. By the way, I love the face, it reminds me of The Legend of the Strongest, Kurosawa! Do it again next time. It’s going to be easier and better.

>>7619811
incredible aura, it feels like a shittier version of the thug looney tunes shirts I kinda like it.

>>7619918
cool work anon

>>7620002
then use it until you can
>but what if I can never
then use refs forever ;)

>>7619894
As a fellow beg, i can only say one thing and it is that this one mogs me,

>>7620045
You may be beg but you arent ULTRAPERMABEG

>>7619894
>200 years for this

>>7619974
Thanj you anon, will fix! Nice casca btw

>>7619633
I unironically recommend Bridgman. I'm starting to think that the best way to study the form of something is to simply rotate a form and try to draw it from different angles. The less familiar you are with the form, the less you can turn it, but if you're 100% familiar with a form, you should be able to draw the 90 degree angle accurately

I'm nowhere near that level for the human body, but Bridgman seems like a good way to simplify the form of the body so that you CAN do that

do you guys ever actually read the text in art books

>>7620078
imagine spending months or years of your life meticulously crafting a written injection of all your lifes knowledge into a book just for people to skip it because pwetty pictures :))))

>>7620012
If I did this the slight sweatiness from between my asscheeks would be wiped on the seat and the microscopic shit particulates would leave a lingering smell in the chair. I want you to know this breaks my immersion from the piece.

>>7620065
I tried bridgeman once but I find his illustrations quite overwhelming and not really simple. Am i supposed to ignore some of the detailed anatomy and focus on the bigger forms only?

>>7619152
Buy his hand drawing video course

>>7620124
he does courses?

How often do you have days where you don't produce anything acceptable at all?

>>7619125
fixed it
~1.5 hours

>think today will be an okay day to draw
>something happens and completely ruins my mood and puts me on edge for the rest of the day
>don't want to draw anymore

>>7620125
>he doesn't know

>>7620132
please explain further and don't >does he know

10 minute doodle of a gobbo

30min sketch
feel like the anatomy is fucked and i have no idea how to draw the rest of the bodies.
need some help

>>7619050
i use csp and can never make my drawings look that trad. genuinely envious.

>>7620078
yeah.
some of the old ones use too many big words and are confusing though.

>>7620127
well if you have fucked up standards for yourself like me, every day

>>7620005
Thanks! This is exactly the feedback I was hoping to wake up to.
But yeah, I noticed something was off with the posing before heading to bed, but didn't know exactly why. The idea it was because the guard was too loose is something that didn't cross my mind, and now that I see it side-by-side, I can see the exact issue. I'll try again later today and see how well I can do it now.
I already thought of referencing other, but Bas Rutten sounds like a good idea, I'll save some images to use for later and work on them across the week. I am hoping to later be able to draw some Judo stuff too, but fabrics and clothing in general are a huge weakness for me, so I want to refine my anatomy and gesture first and then work towards doing poses with clothing. Later down the line, I do want to try drawing some historical armor and later some military-related gear and mecha, but I wanna improve my general skills first. I am doing Drawabox on the side to try and improve my draftsmanship in general, and so far it has helped.
>I feel that gesture and empathy are your greatest weaknesses.
Out of curiosity, what do you mean by empathy?
>By the way, I love the face, it reminds me of The Legend of the Strongest, Kurosawa!
Thanks! Although I am surprised to get so much comparisons with that. I drew eyes like that in my teenage years thanks to watching early Dragon Ball and (later) some 70s manga like Devilman and Ishikawa's works like Getter. I only started reading FKMT's works quite recently, though I definitely see the resemblance.
Either way, I might tone down the stylization a bit for now, I feel I should master realism before diving into stylization. I only did it because my attempt at drawing a more realistic eye for this sketch felt off, but I feel I should be comfortable to try again, if it doesn't work out, I'll go back to the stylized eye and practice realistic eyes on a less complex pose, since it's the angle of the eye that's throwing me off a bit.

midaccino practice

>PIXL
What version is it, chongmang enjoyer?

>>7620229
pixel 6 so nothing new

>>7620124
Ohnonono

still trying to fix. its only getting worse

>>7619970
I'll finish it tomorrow after I do some drapery studies for the sleeves and some hip join studies because the leg/hips don't feel right to me.

>>7620263
im a total begshit so disregard my words if im wrong but her eyes seem to be a little high up
Otherwise looks great

>>7620263
>>7620268
again if I am wrong do tell, hand hurts like shit so I used Paint.net real quick to try and show what I mean

>>7620268
>>7620273
Yeah I see what you mean. It's a pretty consistent issue I have.

Will keep in mind for tomorrow. Thanks Anon!

>>7620263
>>7620273

>>7620279
Oh good Im not entirely retarded then, looking forward to the end result anon, make big E smile
>>7620280
dang, I was close, godspeed redline anon, this looks perfect

>>7619289
thanks!
i made a blog
https://pixelmazes.blogspot.com/

Idk how to draw backgrounds, how do I make the wings pop out more?

>>7620307
go black/white and check the contrast between wings and background
its gonna be hard to make them pop with them bein so translucent tho

>>7619744
kys white scum

>>7620307
As the other anon said, values, the wings have the same value as the background. Another thing you can try is adding an iridescence effect. Insect wings are usually reflective.

>>7620224
>and now that I see it side-by-side, I can see the exact issue.
Comparison is important for learning. It helps you figure things out faster.

>Bas Rutten sounds like a good idea
He’s a fighter, so only watch his videos if you're interested in gaining more knowledge about that. Otherwise, it’s not necessary.

>I'll save some images to use for later and work on them across the week.
Honestly, just pick a single full-body, single light source reference that you like, and work from it for a week. You’ll improve faster by working iteratively.

>What do you mean by empathy?
I think about it in two ways:
Pose empathy, when the pose looks painful or uncomfortable to hold.
emotion: when the pose matches the overall feeling or mood. This one is harder because a lot of subtleties come into play, like which muscles are flexing, what’s tense, the angles of limbs and shoulders, and so on.

One way to develop this sense is to try the poses yourself and get a feel for how they actually feel.

>>7620362
>>7620362
>>7620362

>>7620363
dogshit op image

>>7620364
its okay to be gay sis

>>7620363
no

Beginner here. If I only want to draw anime girls, is it worth studying *real* anatomy? I feel like my time is better spent copying and I can already see improvement in my work, but I see people talking about anatomy everywhere.

>>7620363
what are you doing you fucking dog, you absolute maggot
make a new one

>>7620374
post a example of the anime gurl you want would like to draw?

>>7620367
Good evening!

Tried painting without lineart

>>7620400
>filename
I’m behind on the lore, what is this?

>>7620400
Also to give critique the parts of the crystal dildo that are reflecting the light are too dark. They should be pure white as they are very reflective and the light is white.

>>7620402
Looks like the bad guy from dmc5

>>7620402
Friend asked me to make a custom card. He plays it all the time but I never have
>>7620405
Bingo
>>7620404
Yes sir

>>7619289
Thank you :)

>>7619535
How did you remove the pencil lines after scanning it out of curiosity?

Experiments of the 2 am