The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread:>>7620335

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0GiIM_rGEGPjTGQ4HadH4eizLu5E49Tz&si=gpRcOXt_H1l3shNF [Note: Videos appear to be taken down at the moment - check Habanero]
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image from Rurouni Kenshin, Chapter 239, Page 28.

>>7633341 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7633342
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7633344
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>>7633341 (OP)
3rd attempt, maybe OP sees it this time:

All episodes of Manben can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season. For some reason, season 1 requires a login for the download https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/

>>7633341 (OP)
the hardest type of panels for me are the ones like the top left ones here. something close up with no values, it just looks like a map or a bunch of random lines.

>>7633397
>not subbed
fuck this, it's prob still helpful tho

>>7633409
But you know what it is

That's the true test of skill. Being able to convey your image with just lines, no crutches with additive information like shading or color

I need to practice to git gud, but I can't decide which subejct to go with. I can practice by drawing stuff from my manga and get some concept arts out of the way, or I can practice by doing fanarts of famous characters and take this chance to try getting some engagement online. My time is short and precious, so I need to choose wisely.

>>7633426
>My time is short and precious
How long did the doctors give you to live, anon?
Maybe you should spend time with your family instead

>>7633425
yeah, shading and tones really helps me hide my shitty forms so I try to use it as little as possible.

>>7633431
They say it's already over when you hit your 20s. So my time must be close...

Im trying to make a Crocodile x FemBuggy comic, but I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed. It’s 4-5 pages.

>>7633444
>overwhelmed by the idea of making a 4-5 page comic
What exactly is overwhelming you?

>>7633461
Most of my works are done in 1,5 hours, I have ADHD, I just feel like it’s a lot more than I’ve done before, and I’m worried it won’t be good enough to justify the weeks it’ll probably take me to finish, I’m really rusty. I guess I just need to break it down in to task tho, first do a character study day or two, then get to work on lining

>>7633472
Weeks for 5 pages? That's one week, tops. Just treat each page like a separate drawing. You can draw one picture a day, can't you?

>>7633481
>That's one week, tops
Not him but what kind of manga are you guys doing that you can finish 5 pages in one week?

>>7633484
I could never draw that fast lol. Or rather I could, but I would be immensely dissatisfied with the end result.

>>7633481
>You can draw one picture a day, can't you?

>>7633484
>>7633486
>>7633481
I did 33 pages in a little over a month at this quality

>>7633500
You're either a giga pro or a giga liar. Either way, it doesn't apply to anyone on /mmg/

>>7633508
>You're either a giga pro or a giga liar
Neither, I just draw quickly when I'm motivated.

>Either way, it doesn't apply to anyone on /mmg/
I am on /mmg/

>>7633481
Thanks, i think i just gotta break it down and start going rather than dread that it’ll be too much, you words are inspiring!

>>7633511
Anon, if you keep this up I'll have to ask you to pyw...

>>7633500
If true I'm happy for you. Either way, perhaps I'll get to that rate one day.

>>7633517
That is my work.
>>7633500

>>7633527
If that is true, no one here is on your level. So that rate really doesn't apply.

>>7633536
Croccybug anon here - i think it’s doable if you just remove the wall of negativity - you can probably draw a page in 3-5 hours if you’re not wasting energy doubting yourself, and just do. Given that you accept your current skill level and don’t try to overshoot each page. Get guud on studydays, then use that skill on work days.

>>7633574
I guess. But I don't think I could ever let go of that hesitant and perfectionist part of me. I'm not sure I even want to.

>>7633410
>https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Your comment actually tripped me up, because I never read the subs since I can just listen, so i checked if you were right.

Why would you do this? Just tell lies on the internet?

>>7633500
this is very nice, I hope to get to this level

>>7633580
I'm just retarded, I read the last line of the post
>If anyone finds these episodes in ENG SUB please post the in the comments thanks a lot.
And thought it meant the entire thing, it's only 3 eps missing subs

>>7633578
Studies show you get better if you do several lower effort takes rather than few major effort take, the wall of negativity zaps your energy. You should try doing days where you deliberately tell yourself you’re gonna suck - suck at doing studies, suck at lining, suck at everything, and see how it turns out.

If perfectionism stops you from doing, it’s not helping you.

>>7633508
>>7633536
But there are people here on that level.

>>7633578
You don't think you can until you have to. Believe me, that's a lesson anybody who wants to put out comics in volume learns one way or another.

>>7633481
I was pretty happy with myself before I started my new office job, because I got a page done every day for a week, but now Ive a fucking slave again, Im lucky if I get 4 pages done a week.

>>7633891
I was working 12 hour alternating shifts when I made that

>>7633717
>studies
Stop larping as a scientist.

>>7633341 (OP)
Does action normally take the longest for every mangaka? I feel like its the most intensive part of drawing scenes.

>>7633942
My full action sequence took me about 1.5 times as long, yes.

>>7633942
yeah, its like you have to first figure out how to draw it, then judge if its dynamic enough. They're probably the least practiced thing too since most people draw conversational panels more.

>>7634052
kek I love it

>>7634052
lol this is my favorite so far

>>7634052
>>7634003
Nice, remember to not crab each other and lift each other up instead. A positive environment leads to positive outcomes.

>>7634069
I would never include anyone art is a crabbing way. If you're talking about the colors line, that's anons own admission
>>7625470
I keep it topical

>>7634069
I would never include anyone art in a crabbing way. If you're talking about the colors line, that's anons own admission
>>7625497
I keep it topical

>>7634069
>>7634085
Color girl here. I actually laughed the shit out from this cover lol
>>7634062

>>7634092
I knew you would. I deleted my comment because I thought it might have been the 3 years comment now. Either way, it's cathartic

Anyone else too lazy to read manga? I usually just end up watching Anime.

>>7634199
No, in general I prefer manga anyway.

>>7634199
No, the complete opposite

It's so joever for me. It seems I just don't have the spark for making comics that will be successful

>Gets a fighting game
>Positive feedback on his manga
>mmg doubted his award and success
damn.. we never stood a chance...

>>7634488
bait but he's still right.

>>7634488
This guy gives me Robaato superiority complex vibes

>>7634052
Hahahaha I love it. I made my debut!

>>7634488
>vague glowy magic hand power with circle symbol on back of hand
Why does every black person do this when they make a comic?

>>7634488
Those view numbers indicate a pretty successful channel, so good for him. My comics don't even get close to thousands of views, so I agree I am dogshit.

>>7634052
kino
im gonna start saving these (also can you post the first one?)

>>7634052
I think these would unironically be an interesting if you made these and then also attached to them a compilation of all the pages /mmg/ made that week or month, and then give them an issue number.

If it went well, it might even encourage anons to work on their manga more to have something to contribute to the "magazine"

>>7634052
I take a break and the first thing that i see is that i got axed

>>7634815
Its definitely gotta be monthly unless enough anons start spitting out pages at a higher rate.

I would totally read anon jump though that shit is hilarious. I'd enjoy a q&a or interview section where we throw in funny or helpful posts from the thread too

>>7634840
I think even as a jokey archive of what /mmg/ has been up to it would be worthwhile

>>7634784
Here
>>7634815
I mean, these threads last about a week or two, but not everyone posts every single page they make.
I can just link everyones work and pretend I compiled them instead.

>>7634840
>>7634900
How about a bi-yearly compilation? I think 6 months is enough time for people to get 1 chapter out. It'll give people a goal and something to look forward to. Not me though, it's fucking joever for me.

>>7634903
You're already featured on the Top 10 list

>>7633635
>I'm just retarded, I read the last line of the post
Ah okay. No foul play, no harm done. You're fine anon. I have encountered genuine retardation on this platform and this aint it. Genuine retards on here wouldn't be capable of admitting to a minor mistake on their part

>>7634488
Good for him, genuinely.
Please stop trying to provoke vitriolic responses. We're not your personal army.

>>7635030
Has summer always been this bad?

>>7635044
"Summer" is an irrelevant scapegoat. Smartphones have been a thing for ages, kids haven't needed to be on holiday to flood this place in a long time.

Does the resolution you use really matter as long as its above the 2000px range in both dimensions?

>>7635210
It can potentially depend. Are you ever going to print?

>>7635210
Depends on what you're doing, whether you're printing, where you're uploading and so on. Generally speaking you should be drawing large and exporting it down to the desired resolution, ie uploading a 1500px tall image so you draw it at 6000px tall and export at 25% the size. Reason being that you can't really make an image scale up well, but you can make an image scale down well, and printing works better with larger images.

>>7635222
Realistically, it's very unlikely. It's a free web comic.

>>7635234
Welp. I'm going to go off of what my favorite artists on Pixiv are using, then double the size, I guess. We live in a time where AI upscaling is a few clicks away anyway.

>>7633438
Why do you listen to crabs?

>>7635331
He's right though. If you're in your 20s and haven't achieved anything, no awards, no connections, etc., then it's pretty much over for you. All the best comic creators started young. No one wants to read an old fart's comics

you ever look at your own pages and wonder how the fuck you drew that?

>>7635426
old*

Theme of /mmg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_unhtvToGys

>>7635426
Yeah, but only with regret.
As in:
>how the heck did you not see all those mistakes you retard? You should have tripled checked!

>>7635421
This is some deep cope to justify your own fear of starting. Terminal crab behavior. Get a new brain.

>>7635725
for me personally my older pages are more ambitious and expressive even though the anatomy and paneling is way worse.

>>7635754
Sure I'll concede that. I was definitely more bright eyed and bushy tailed when I started.

>>7635426
>>7635754
Looking back at my first work it was so unapologetic sincere with full injokes, bad art, retarded refferences and teenager angry that even if it's bad, it makes my adult cynical soul cry

>>7636400
You were a closet footfag this entire time?!

>>7636450
The injoke here is the guy in the trash can was a refference for a friend from our group that had 2gb of feet porn in his hd

>>7636462
....ok, good. Cause I was worried you looked a little dark in that can. Glad it's not you.

>>7636400
Need Madalena feet

>>7635426
Less so on the art (although I've become much better since then) but more on little mistakes in terms of making the comic itself (pacing, paneling, etc.).

>>7636488
Is there some understated giant foot fetish cabal out there or something? I don't normally draw feet let alone do pics where the feet are closer to being the central focus of a drawing, but it seems like everytime I end up doing something like that it gets more views than other drawings that don't. This isn't even for places like deviantart, its places like pixiv even.

>>7636601
nta, but I love drawing feet and hands. I don't have a fetish for them but you can express through them.
Well hands I guess. Hard to express with feet.

>>7636601
>Is there some understated giant foot fetish cabal out there or something?
I thought that was obvious?

>>7636625
very cute

>>7636629
Not mine just to make it clear

>>7636625
Can somebody explain why the feet are so great? I don't mean oh they can look cute on a cute girl, I mean to the point of having a blatant and explicit foot fetish. Not judging, genuinely trying to learn here.

>>7636677
The part of the brain that identifies feet is physically close to the part of the brain responsible for sexual arousal. Footfags are just a result of random interconnection between the two.

>>7636677
I figured because they are dirty. Like disgusting a and smelly, so people like them. People love stinky stuff.

>>7636677
Honestly, I don't get it myself. I don't even remember when or how it started, but I certainly didn't like feet 6 years ago. I just look at them and it makes me feel good. To me it's just like looking at a woman's thighs or ass.. That's it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that way more anons here have bare feet in their work that first suspected

>>7636713
IT'S NOT BY CHOICE! IT'S NECESSARY TO THE PLOT! I CAN'T HELP IT!

>>7636716

Good, good, keep all the attention on feet... No one will notice the armpits...

>>7636685
I thought that it was the area for fear and the area for arousal were the ones that were physically close and thus prone to getting wires crossed...

>>7636713
>>7636716
>>7636721
/ic/ - Sexy Beautiful Women

>>7636755
Oh wait, we were talking about women's feet?

>>7636488
Maybe someday

>>7636754
Huh, that would make a lot of sense. Someone should make a hentai plot around that concept.

>>7636400
It was stupid but honestly it was great. I still use this panel sometimes

>>7636808
>It was stupid but honestly it was great.
This is a perfect summation of making comics, kek.

>>7636808
was it you who drew this fanart some years ago?

I got turned down by a publisher...it's not what they are looking for at this time.
What pissed me off is that they said to not talk to other publishers so they could really look at my work.

>>7637029
Seems stupid. Just send your work to all publishers, who cares what they say. Also I got rejected by multiple publishers too, I feel ya bud. Chin up and keep improving

Just finished uploading chapter 3. As I'm looking back at it now, I'm happy that I've managed to wrap up another chunk of pages. I can tell that there's still loads of room for improvement, but I can also tell that I'm slowly moving in the right direction.

I didn't like how I named the "powers" in this world Esoteric principles, so I rewrote some of the text in chapter 2 to refer to the overall concept as Æthropy and the individual powers as "strains of Æthropy", or just strains. Might cause some confusion if you read chapter 2 previously and see mentions of strains all of a sudden in chapter 3.

www.readpristine.com

>>7637079
Very cool that you made your own personal website, but wouldn't it make more sense to host the comic on other sites like webtoons or globalcomix?

I finally got to the page where I'm introducling one of the most important characters. I just realized that the readers are not going to like her. She's absolutely a Mary Sue.

>>7637079
Looks awesome, great job

>>7637180
>readers are not going to like her
You won't really know that until you post her.

>>7637029
Don't worry about it, they probably turned you down because you're white

>>7637218
why are you so threatened by brown people

>>7637226
Because the jews are systematically genociding white people by deliberately displacing them from any and all economic opportunities

>>7637235
no they're not, being a white man is just no longer automatically enough to get you a job. the shock, the horror, having to put in effort instead of being guaranteed success by default! now you truly understand what it means to be a minority. it is very sad. many such cases.

>>7637235
kek

>>7637240
>the horror, having to put in effort instead of being guaranteed success by default
Unironically this tho. Imagine being able to just coast through life. Why the fuck did we give up enslaving the world? Fucking Lincoln.

>anyone in /mmg/
>white
What alternate dimension are you posting from

>>7637249
I'm genuinely starting to think that /mmg/ is fully populated with either hapas, actual asians of every type sans actually being Japanese, or people of varying melanin content from the global south.

>>7637249
I'm white though. Not half-anything. Just a white dude.
No I'm not going to prove it.

>>7637267
Show me your work. I want to see the difference between our hapas and crackas' results

>>7637272

>>7637272
>>7637275
I guess I make the second white guy here

>>7637249
>>7637260
I'd argue it's majority white guys, follow by a tie between happas and Brazilians.
I'm not going to name them, but I do follow them

>>7637029
>they said to not talk to other publishers
that means you should definitely talk to other publishers

>>7637272
>>7637275
>>7637281
White 3 standing by, also AUS like pornanon.

>>7637249
Bro posted this and got hit with the blonde hair, A10 stare.

>>7638128
So we have at least 3 talented white Aussies, 2 Danes, and a few white Amerimutts. Wish we didn't have so many on that cucked continent down unda, but whatever.

>>7637079
Another cute barefoot loli joins the group! Your background art is beautiful here anon, and your art overall has improved. I think the flow here is also better than in chapter 2, but my critique here is sometimes the transitions from one act to another are too abrupt, for example, the introduction of Sif and the part where she attacked the monster and the explanation afterwards. Like, you could have built the tension more, and sometimes it feels rushed. I think we barely get a chance to see the girls personalities, what they are thinking, feeling, etc. They just seem to follow the plot.

>>7638294
>>7637079
Staying topical...Why do these well dressed girls don nothing on their feet?

>>7637107
Yeah, I guess it would make sense to upload somewhere else than just my personal site as well. I'm not in any rush to do so atm, but might look into that eventually.

>>7637202
Thank you!

>>7638294
Thanks for the feedback. So I can work more on building up tension before the release and showing more of the girls' personalities. Definitely sounds like I need to work on overall pacing. On one hand I'm afraid of "not enough" happening in a chapter, which might prevent tension from building, since I try to cram in a lot of stuff. I do want the characters to be the focus, and I tried to change the pace and showcase them more with the slower scene in the cottage. I'll try to be more aware of this in the coming chapter.

As for the feet, at first I just wanted to practice and kinda digged it as part of Pris' design. It snowballed from there and at this point there's no going back, for better or worse.

Is drawing manga the most financially unrewarding yet labor intensive artistic endeavors? You will ruin your health hunched over a desk developing arthritis while getting paid nothing most of your journey, assuming you even make it at all (which statistically, most of us won't).

Webcomics have a much wider audience and is easier to make money off of, while requiring much less effort. Every day I wonder more why I bother with this dumb shit when I could just draw some goofy webcomic with talking animals

>>7638452
Why not the best of both?

>>7638452
>Every day I wonder more why I bother with this dumb shit
Sounding like a quitter, anon. Piece of advice: manga is a Japanese invention, so make it with the Japanese audience in mind. Coz if the Japanese don't like it, then it fails as a medium and is unlikely to succeed.

>>7638452
Man I want to change to drawing LN instead, but i never really read them. It's also better format for autobiography.
thoughts ?

>>7638452
Yes, on average I'd say it's an incredibly unrewarding endeavor. It's why you probably shouldn't do it if you could be doing something else.
Webcomics aren't any better though, and if you really think they are then by all means do that instead.

Man, writing is way easier than drawing. So why can’t people write for shit? You don’t even need to write like a novelist you just need to grab people’s attention and stay consistent. I don’t even get why people struggle with paneling. It’s simple: less important stuff goes small, important stuff goes big.

>>7638515
try a suicide letter

>>7638536
I think writing is harder than drawing if you're bad at both. You can learn how to draw by following principles and grinding, but can you "grind" writing? If you're not interesting or witty, then you can't force yoursel to be. So writing is easy if you're already creative and interesting.

>>7638515
>the autobiography guy gave up on drawing it before even starting
Lmao I knew it

what do you guys do to replenish your mental energy?

I'm done

>>7638719
When my brain is fried I play videogames, go to the gym, or something as simple as going outside for a walk.

>>7638751
i despise people that make art like this

>>7638832
It's just too complex for you to understand

>>7638832
What is it even trying to say? Bigger boobs win at anime cons?

>>7634539
it looks cool

>>7637281
you aight whiteboy

>>7634903
Lel we’ve been trying to make an anthology for 2 years and I think no one finished their work. It’s so over.

>>7639014
Lmao what the fuck, ic was right about us after all. It's JOEVER

>>7639014
Yeah but that's on discord, and it had way less posts than anything else.

>>7639032
The trvth is that no one here will make it but at least we can NGMI together

>>7638587
You're completely wrong though. Already made like 2 manga, just notice manga as format for autobiography suck ass. I can't even insert art it's just gonna be full of yapping. Don't want to turn into blank canvas. It's pretty easy to pull off but it's gonna be filled with mostly empty art.

>>7639037
Nah not me tho I'm going to make it once A.I. becomes powerful enough for me to prompt generate my manga.

Any Cyraxx enjoyers? I like having him on in the background as I draw. It's nice to not suffer alone.

>>7639090
For me it's Smoke

What's /mmg/ consensus on Gege's style of doing infodump action?

>>7639106
Forgot pic

>>7639107
Why not just do a LN at that point

>>7639014
Have you been making these covers for 2 years?

>>7637275
How did you get into Mugen Tensei? Did their editors scout you or you just submitted your work?

Is the main reason horror manga just doesn't work in manga form is the lack of music ? unironically never scared of manga. You can make the audience feel disgust or suspense but fear is hard to pull off without scary music which honestly makes most horror film scary.

>>7639323
No horror film is scary either.

>>7639327
here's your upvote, now go back to drawing porn cool hipster

>>7639335
I will. Go back to not scaring anyone
>horrortard
>calling anyone else a hipster
lel

>>7639323
It's simple when you think about it.
Has a book ever made you feel fear?
For me, a couple. And that's what I'm trying to use in one of my projects.
Manga shows too much imo when it comes to "horror" when that gives it away.

>>7639337
And predictable. I'm not a even a "horrortard" though. Go back to smelling your own fart. Porn artist really think they figure out everything when they'e the most predictable people

>>7639347
I don't think the typical Japanese art styles lend themselves well to horror. They're too cartoony. Everyone I know who has looked at something like Junji Ito thinks the stories are neat or weird, but never scary.

Of course, I don't know anyone who ever found any Western horror comics scary either.

>>7639360
Ito is really good at building things up, and he even has some great reveals.
Ultimately what his downfall is, as many have pointed out, is his inability to close.
His endings (aside from Hellstar Remina, and Uzumaki) are always so lackluster.
There is definitely a cultural divide when it comes to horror in Japan vs the West.
And I mean Japan specifically, because the chinks and gooks can do it fine.

The best horror stories are ones that aren't presented as horror stories.

>>7639460
Point taken

>>7638719
I take a break.
I try to only do so once I've hit some kind of milestone. ie, "once I've finished this chapter, I'll take a month off and let the itch to create build up again". Something along those lines.

>>7639045
What the hell are you on about? People have made autobiographies in manga. It's not much different from telling any other story in comic format.

>>7639107
Ignoring the strawman image, I read up to the end of the Shibuya Incident years ago and never really had any issues with the way it presented information. It flowed well enough, and kept the pace well. No idea if that changed after though.

>>7639180
I looked up their website and submitted through the submission portal there.

Since my amazing manga will obviously become a number one best seller, with hundreds of millions of copies in circulation, its volume 1 cover will be the most reposted image of my series and in effect, the face of my manga.

How do I make sure I make a really good cover and not a shitty one?

>>7639513
Make sure to choose comic sans, you don't want people to think you're too serious and can't have a laugh. But also add some cool hot wheels type flames so people now that what they're about to read is rad, and hot stuff. Fire means hot. Don't forget to add shades to everyone in the cover - the dark the better. If you can't see, that's how you know you're cool. And don't forget the hot babe in a bunny costume and your main hero with two oversized guns - things that appeal to any hot blooded male from the ages of 0-99. No need to thank me, I'm just satisfied I helped yet another artist hit the big leagues.

>>7639513
Covers are for people who don't know how to view bot

>>7639323
I think there are horrors made to scary you and others to make you fell perturbed(sometimes both). Sometimes the scary part is you want the protagonist to survive and each chapter you fear it might be his last.

>>7639323
Interesting, only one time i felt something is in aono-kun. Maybe because of the uncanny feeling. Dropped it a long time ago though.
Anything else I'm just amazed at the art or writing like Junji Ito and Kago Shintaro

>>7639501
I see, do they accept newbies submissions? Also are there any specific formats or theme that you must follow?

>>7639792
>do they accept newbies submissions?
Of course they do.
>Also are there any specific formats or theme that you must follow?
Yeah, though you're better off asking what they don't want to publish. Fantasy, for one. But you're best of just looking at the kinds of things they publish to get an idea.
https://web.mujin-ti.net/

>>7639465
>fairy tale
Do people still enjoy this temu one piece?

Why are the Japanese unable to use a 3x3 grid?

>>7639935
It's bland crap but there's certainly people out there who enjoy it. It wouldn't exist otherwise.

>>7639959
They like 2x2 better

>>7639959
Because 9 evenly sized panels look bland as fuck

>>7639987
So you make the grid fancy instead of the content?

Stop responding to bait. Yes, you.

>spend dozens of hours trying to finish one chapter
>still looks like shit
>not even halfway done
I'm so fucking dogshit I feel like I should give up. Fuck manga who designed this shit

>>7640043
post it

>>7640043
This feeling never goes away btw.

>>7640043
the time it takes to finish a long project is twice the estimate. After I accoutned for that I felt better taking my time, you will always be delayed/roadblocked/have to restart something. Ist not as simple as one page a day even if you could keep that output. You still have to edit and make big fixes down the line, and your brain will see one page as a monumental 24 hour long task.

>>7639964
they like 4x1 better considering there are entire magazines that only run 4koma

>>7639959
Am I supposed to be impressed?

>>7639959
The 3x3 grid of 9 is terrible.
It's terrible because it draws the eye towards the panelling itself and not what's in the panels.

>>7639959
>>7640382
The gutters of panels should not be noticed. Because they are bold white lines crossing the page, it is very easy for them to be distracting.
Any time a panel perfectly lines up with another panel, it increases this effect.
The theoretical most distracting panelling is the 3x3 grid of 9, which looks like a window frame.

>1
2x3 grid of 6. This is what almost all manga pages originate from, give or take.
However this is a very uninteresting layout, and very distracting. The first thing you will notice before you even see the content is the panelling itself.
>2
the number of panels is the same but the center line has been moved to the left, this makes hte page more visually interesting, however since they are still all lined up, it is very distracting.

Notice the difference in spacing between the panels vertically vs horizontally, this helps guide the viewers eye in the right direction. You would never mistakenly read top to bottom on this, it is obvious you are supposed to read horizontally. Western comic makers have never figured out this trick
>3
Now only two rows of the panels are lined up, this is a perfectly adequate panel arrangement and is not really all that distracting, this should be the bare minimum you should strive for in panel design
>4
None of the panels line up in this, and as such they become completely invisible and you will be entirely focussed on what happens inside the panels and never distracted by the panels themselves.

>>7640402
Here are some real manga pages that have good panelling despite featuring lined up gutters.
Observe these and consider what effect it would have on the page if more or less of the panels were lined up

>>7640406
I think the lined up middle panels here serve to easily guide the eye through the panels.

>>7640409
And now a page that doesn't feature lined up panels, but instead its deliberate avoidance of them.
Imagine if the bottom two rows were lined up, they easily could be, but it would undoubtedly make the page stiffer if they were

>>7640413
And finally a page from Batman. Imagine if the comic artist had shifted the shapes of the panels to be ever so slightly off center and avoided the gutters lining up, surely this would have improved the appearance of the page a great amount?

>>7640417
The uniform panels make it look like a storyboard instead of a comic.

>>7640417
I was actually curious to see what effect adjusting the layout of the panels would have
What do you guys think?

>nodraw armchair capeshit analysts
pyw or go back to /co/

>>7640454
when I read western comics it feels like they're terrified of drawing something that has soul and they want it too look as cinematic and sterile as possible. The panels all being the same size is similar to the panels all having the same level of detail, because its like they're trying to make a balanced product or something

>>7640477
>nodraw armchair capeshit analysts
Not one of the anons that were talking about panels, but what did you want them to do? Post their comic right next to example manga pages in question for every single post? People can't talk about panel arrangements without having to post their own comics now? What?
>>7640482
Having read western superhero comics growing up, it always seemed to me like every single panel is a single snapshot in time. Everything seems so frozen in time, no real feel for flow of motion. You can of course find panels that do have some motion lines/blur, but for the most part it's not like that. I don't know why they emphasize this aspect so much, it's not like somebody is putting a gun to their head saying it has to be this way or else Marvel goes bankrupt.

>>7640512
Meant to write Marvel/DC, whoops.

>>7640454
Notice how almost every panel is a closeup on the head/shoulders. Soap opera camera, very boring.

>>7640402
> and as such they become completely invisible
No, they are annoyingly random, not invisible.
The Watchmen grid is very sequential and monumental. Very clean, like a poster.
A whole comic with this tight grid is probably too much for most storys, but Japanese are the other extreme. Most of the time they are not able to make a 9grid work, where it would work. Sometimes its good to have a monumental, clean layout. But in manga the grid is just random most of the time, often with diagonal borders without any need for it.

>>7640454
> What do you guys think?
Its was shit before, it is shit after.
Do the same with Watchman, then. Let's see if Japanese randomness will make it better.

>>7640541
You sound like you have actual autism with some need for symmetry and conformity or else your brain gets scrambled.

>>7640541
>Very clean, like a poster.
thats the difference between westoid and manga to me. In manga, most panels look like shit if you were to isolate them and blow them up to a page. They're fast drawings that are meant to be taken in within context and keep the story going, but comic panels are always beautiful with full backgrounds and great anatomy and shading and everything.

Speaking of symmetry, I like Kagurabachi's use of it here.

>>7640595

>>7640597
Also symmetry can be done very well for a two-pages spread like this.

>>7639959
>Why are the Japanese unable to use a 3x3 grid?
Grid comics are fundamental but they are considered as outdated in both Japan and USA. The grid works well for Watchmen because it ends up looking like an old 1950 golden/silver age style comic, which is exactly the intent since Watchmen is a 1986 comic LARPing as an older age comic while deconstructing the genre. Making a comic as a literal grid of rows and columns is considered uncool these days but it's still a fundamental technique used by both manga and comics.

>>7640571
There must be a red thread that goes through the page, when all panels are random in size, its not artistic.
>>7640579
Its true, to a degree. But i find American comics too stiff, but manga maker often dont fully understand the western art canons.
The Japanese and Asians in general, don't get the deeper concepts of art.
Berserk is a good example, its good, but its superficial compared to Frank Frazetta for example. Frazetta knows where to put details, what to make white, or black, but Miura just puts detail anywhere, without any send for design.
P.S. Not sure whats up with the third big comic tradition, the Franco-Belgian. Never read a French comic desu.

>>7640597
This looks good, and really works with the scene

>>7640609
>third big comic tradition, the Franco-Belgian
>big
You haven't heard of them because they're not big at all
Their sales are basically entirely Tintin and Asterix, both of which have been irrelevant for generations.
They're not even competition for Marvel and DC, which themselves are not even competition for manga

>>7640636
>>7640636
I'm not anon, shitty otakus like you will never understand art.

stop replying to the anti anime schizo.

2 yonkoma in a single page is a 4x4 grid if you think about it

Titles are tougher to come up with than they seem

>>7636685
>The part of the brain that identifies feet is physically close to the part of the brain responsible for sexual arousal
This is completely made up, by the way. There’s no actual study to support this claim.

>>7640661
>Schizo anti west

>anti-feet schizo

>>7640670
>pick the most eye catching title that describe your manga or even something random.
>ask chat gpt for recommendations
>pick the most eye catching one
>profit

How come so few good people post here? Where do all the good creators post?

>>7640835
>if you actually draw, you would know drawing takes time, do you expect people to just post here all the time
>this place is full of nasty people, losers, crabs, pseudo-intellectuals the most retarded of people, why post here ?

>>7639959
not to mention ou draw less compositions overall with 2x3, a manga artist who is expected to crank out new chapters every week would only need to make 6 individual drawings per page, around 13-18 pages each chapter, on reletively smaller page sizes, alternating at times to 6-8 drawings when needed. depending on the author sometimes changing between 2x3 to 2x4 like toriyama did in dragon ball, its mostly a mix of preference and necessity

>>7640841
>this place is full of nasty people, losers, crabs, pseudo-intellectuals the most retarded of people, why post here ?
Just like the real world, except people hide it to your face. It's great to know what the normies really think of your work, very helpful.

>>7640841
>this place is full of nasty people, losers, crabs, pseudo-intellectuals the most retarded of people, why post here?
/ic/ is one of the only places online to get real feedback, too bad about the schizo crabs tho

>>7640897
It's not laziness that manga artists draw less panels per page. It's readability.
Fewer panels allows those panels to be bigger and easier to read.
Older manga often featured smaller and more numerous panels, but the result is cluttered and harder to read.

>>7640931
I can't recall anyone getting crabbed on for posting actual work in the thread, usually just retarded opinions.

>>7640952
well i didnt imply they were lazy, they just needed to meet deadlines. i think everyone knows japs have borderline suicidal work ethic. Im positive less panels and ADD-tier pacing is a direct result of work load in general, which never made sense to me. i expect to take the same amount of time reading something as it took to make, so every page should be substantial. pages that look like picrel make me wonder what the point of even checking back every week is, (ironically a certain popular longrunning manga makes me ask the same question despite cramming more ink on every page)

>>7640541
>But in manga the grid is just random most of the time
It's really, really, reaaaaaaally not.

>>7641008
I think in this age of digital manga reading, where we can view the manga at any size and even zoom in, has led us to forget the physical print readability of what we draw.

When you hold a comic or manga physically, there is a certain average distance from the eyes people will hold it, and with an average eyesight that most people have, you find there is actually a pretty narrow window of what sizing is readable and what isn't.

If you have a printer, I recommend you try actually printing out a few of your finished pages and hold them in your hands as if they were a published manga, it will give you an immediate feedback of the readability of your pages, you will know instantly whether your text, panel outlines, or the drawings themselves are too big or too small.

>>7640835
And who are the "good people" who post here? What does "good" even mean to you?

>>7641105
I dont think I'm ready to blackpill myself like that. It feels like mirroring your art and realizing how bad it is lol

>>7641152
Why are you framing improvement as "blackpilling yourself"...?

>>7641164
you gotta suffer to get better

>>7641174
It's really not that bad to just look at something in print so you can make sure it's readable. We're not talking about forbidden knowledge here, lol.

>>7641263
>printing out your own work to view it in physical media is now forbidden knowledge
Next on the chopping block is using the eraser Erasing creation is tantamount to playing God, and thus is blasphemy. And don't even get me started on the transform tool or the canvas flip tool.

Finished the second chapter of the comic I've been working on this year. I love summoning salt and the crazy autism of the speedrunning world so I made a series all about it

Man it's actually pretty hard to draw an attractive woman in a realistic art style.
No wonder most artist that draw said style: Inoue Takehiko, Bocchi, has meh women, else they look out of place.

>>7641312
a few pages from chapter 1

You always think you're gonna feel so satisfied and accomplished after you finish a chapter, but every time I'm just like fuck, guess I gotta do the next one now lol

>>7641317

>>7641318
the whole thing is on https://greasequeen.com/gold-split/ if you're interested...

>>7641312
Zander what the fuck are you doing there

>>7641337
who the fuck is zander

>>7641312
Which south american country are you from?

>>7641349
why on earth would you assume i'm south american (i'm not)

>>7641359
Your art style. I would have bet money on it too.
Guess I was wrong....for now

>>7641320
So is the year 2007 still? Because whatever phone that dude is holding didn't exist.
Could be a fun premise though

>>7641396
no believe it or not i'm just a white dragonball fan lmao
>>7641398
nah it takes place in the present day, that's just a little world building.

>>7637275
I just read your manga, Dingle-sensei. It was fucking hot!

>>7637275
>>7641454
Also love your 5 points/fish-eye perspective!

>>7641454
>>7641456
Oh, thanks. Glad you liked it.

>>7641339
I'm sorry i mean xandir, i never knew how it was written

I just came across this manga. This is everything I wish my stuff looked like. I'm still so far from it bros... *sniff* I WILL grind!

>>7641678
This is very doable actually. The guns are probably the hardest think to draw here.
What's it called?

>>7641730
You can search any image on 4chan by going to the post's dropdown menu. This is Red Eyes Chapter 22 by Shindo Jun.

>>7641777
none of them showed me the origin. So I asked.

>>7641678
This looks like the same thing you're doing
>empty hallway
>generic soldiers
Except they probably didn't use a mouse.

>>7641678
crazy to think each of these panels is a full illustration. each figure would take me like an hour, and its just one page here....

>>7641678
when it comes to backgrounds, it seems you really have to use a different brush than what you're drawing characters with. They put down so many microscopic scratches and lines here and there that your figure brush just can't do on a tablet. I tried lightly drawing and my makes my wrist sore as well as gives me a migraine since I'm focusing so hard on tiny tiny details.

The other option is to draw large backgrounds and then shrink them down to the panel, but its such a miserable feeling spending all that time drawing just to make it tiny.

>>7642151
And that's why it doesn't bother me if it takes me a small while to do a page. I draw a page, I've essentially done anywhere between 1-5 (possibly 7/8) small drawings, depending on the page layout. And it'll take as long as it needs to take. It's not like I've got assistants, I'm doing everything myself. The page gets done when I feel it's done, and then I move to the next page.

>>7641911
The same thing I am doing? Lol. I would take that as a compliment. My stuff is still very far from this in terms of details and even gesture.
>He doesn't think generic soldiers are cool
Are you gay?

>>7641777
Yes that's the one. A twitter oomfie posted it.

>>7641730
Really? The guns are the easiest part. Objects like that always have simple shapes to them that are rather easy to draw. It's clothing and anatomy that is hard to get the hang of.

yo FUCK manga this shit is too hard, who's with me

>>7642239
No one. Not even yourself. Now go draw your manga.

>>7642234
Guns at high detail are difficult, especially if you want to be accurate. Having them in perspective is difficult due to its shape. Human anatomy is way easier to learn than guns.

>>7642239
If i'm not drawing there's nothing to do other than waste time on vidya then the longer i keep up with hedonistic lifestyle a voice will say my life is insignificant. If it's really that hard for you just trace seriously.

Working on this idea for my cosmic crush cover. Planning to add digital colors and overlays of Zag's gila monster sidekick and Penny's cat sidekick, and stars hearts and alien stuff in the background. I'm hoping to achieve the pop art yamikawaii aesthetic of witch watch covers, mixed with urusei yatsura vibes.

>>7642151
What makes you think it didn't take the artist who drew it an hour per figure too? 4 hours working on a page is pretty standard. Add an hour or two for the backgrounds and you're still in completely normal time frame for a page.

>>7641678
It's just traced, I think that's what ajin artist also do.

>>7642436
Proof?

>>7642436
I dont' trace much of anything, but I trace guns I've been meaning to work on them like most other objects, but as an avid shooter, they never looks just right, and it irks me when they dont....so I trace

what is the difference between a teacher and a professor?

>>7642797
Is this some bizzare brazilian riddle?
I dunno, uhh...a teacher teachers, and professor....preaches?

>>7642814
I heard in anglosphere you cant call a university teacher a teacher but professor

>>7642829
Oh it's a real question.
Yeah professors are in college (university) and teachers are for everything else. But I remember some science teachers that wanna be called "professor" back in the day, but it's really reserved for higher education

>>7642797
>>7642829
>>7642835
A teacher is someone who teaches.
A professor is an academic in some field who may also teach. A professor is generally expected to be somebody who is actively contributing to their field whereas a teacher is not. It's why professors are most often found at either colleges/universities or laboratories: those are places dedicated to contributing to fields of research or study.

>>7642835
>>7642847
Thanks. Here we call professor for the two cases.

>>7642339

Any tips on drawing a realistic art style ? Is it too bad to be "too realistic". Tried it myself but it feels so off like copying a photograph, don't know why or maybe i just suck ass

>>7642882
take art you like, arrange from realistic to stylized and see for yourself where you would want your own art to be. then you have a clear goal to work towards.

Guys im looking for a tutorial for figure drawing with pure black. I have problems to render cute girl in ink. Like compare this ink drawing, to the pencil, big difference. I just don5t know what to do after the outlines, i think if i add more black it will look less feminine.
P.S. i started drawing with ink again several days ago, haven't done it for years. Its much more of its own thing, than i could remember. I have some difficulties, to transfer my skill from cg and oil, to ink.

>>7643053
what?
do you mean how do you shade the alien girl?
what other features do you think need 'rendering?'

the answer is hatching, or stippling, the real answer is [spoiler]Google it.[/spoiler]

>>7643053
these days, just go to youtube and search what you want. there are good art tutorials for everything

>>7643068
> Google it
>>7643116
> just go to youtube
You dont get it, pointing at an infinite pool of slop, is not helping at all.
In these days, the proper curation of information is much more important, then the information itself.

>>7643053
>>7643056
>>7643160
NTA, I'm not seeing any real discrepancy between the sketch and the ink. They're about the same quality. Maybe you can't see it, but the sketch has all the same issues/mistakes as the inks.
And, frankly, I don't see how a tutorial will help you any more than just finding an artist you like to use an an example. The inking side of things is almost entirely a balance of personal preference in the choices you make and the mechanical ability to move the pen to make those lines happen. No amount of youtuber yapping about it will make you any more prepared to do it yourself. It's not an information problem. Best you could do is find a drawing somebody else made that looks how you want yours to look and to try to emulate it in your own work.

>>7643053
You're going to need to work on basic head and facial structure before you worry about inking

>>7633341 (OP)
I'll be honest, revenge arc sucks. Kenshin should have ended at Kyoto arc in retrospect.

>>7643179
Nah, the sketch is objectively better.
I dont know who i should copy, who is considered good witch frmale bodys?

>>7643194
What do you mean?

>>7643053
Alphonso Dunn has a good book on inking. I think it's worth looking into, the exercises will help you learn to feel the form too.

>>7643298
>>7643298
On the matter of ink drawing, im already reading Rendering with pen and ink, i think it will take me the rest of the year, to study it.
But i need specifically a tutorial, on how to render cute girls.
Maybe something like pic related, but it feels overworked, to be honest. Murata is too obsessed over monsters and muscular dudes, he shades the girls too hars as well.
I like Ashley Woods technique, but his art style and proportions look retarded and the art is too vulgar overall.

>>7643314
> but his art style and proportions look retarded
Im speaking about the female body, he is very good at anything else. His non-gooner art is great.

>>7643053
I think just using a little more variation in line width, and then adding more small black areas where light gets blocked out will help a bit. Specifically that little black triangle where the legs meet in the middle, make it a bit bigger and add that same concept to other places where it would make sense.

>>7643053
>>7643366
This is what I meant. Take what I say with a grain of salt though.

>>7643404

>>7643404
I will not draw over this one anymore, but i try more line strength variety next time.

>>7633341 (OP)
I don't feel like making an actual manga, but I enjoy coming here from time to time and see what anons are doing.

>>7643278
>Nah, the sketch is objectively better.
No, it's not.

>>7641105
I personally just view my art from phone, way practical than just keep printing your work.

>>7643314
No. you don't, what are you expecting from some magical tutorial? you have literally thousands of images to refer to, get off your ESL ass; and copy. the. lines.
also everyone here has been very helpful so far, stop being obtuse.

Look up trad etchings, literally ANY ink artist, any of your favourite mangas:

Franklin booth
Melissa B. Tubbs
Apollonia Saintclair
Takehiko Inoue
Shinichi Sakamoto

>>7643314
Idk why you think rendering is going to be the secret to drawing girls. It can be useful if you want the girl to look bright or soft but it's not going to make her eyes bigger or lips poutier. Also you should work on your anatomy so you can be bolder with your lines instead of doing those wimpy little dashes like on her stomach in your original drawing.

>>7643964
>Also you should work on your anatomy so you can be bolder with your lines instead of doing those wimpy little dashes like on her stomach in your original drawing.

The anatomy mostly looks fine to me, and what you're positing about the "wimpy little dashes" is more in line with tightening up the line quality. I'm guessing he just wanted some parts like the definition of the cleavage, ribs, and armpits to be more slight, since it is clear he is drawing Frieren there, and she has a pretty petite frame. Hell, he probably drew her boobs a bit too big anyway. He could have still done more defined lines while giving them a more dainty look.

>>7644003
The anatomy is definitely passable it just struck me as unsure. Like he's not certain where things actually start and stop. Which is something that will trip you up when you attempt more difficult angles and poses.

FUCK manga, wasting my time drawing this stupid ass shit that no one will read. Who else /waiting for A.I./ to get good enough to bring their ideas to life?

Reminder that A.I. replicated Araki's art so well that even Araki was surprised that he didn't draw the drawing. It's only a matter of time

>>7643053
>ctrl+f guptill
>0 matches
Rendering in Pen and Ink, Arthur Guptill
He won't teach you how to draw bishojous but for general pen and ink techniques the book is great

>>7644108
settle down Pakistaniel,

>>7644115
Just don't reply nigga. No epic quip or owns. Just. Stop. Replying.

>>7644116
shutup bitch

>>7642866
Think I am going to go with this for the main cover/promo image going forward. Does anything stand out you think I should change or fix? I'm going to start making black and white pages again instead of color now, and hopefully can pump out pages and get to the cooler parts of the story.

I have the impression most professional manga artist can draw realistic faces but just prefer to avoid it, is this true ?

>>7644130
very cute, nice colors.

>>7644184
I sure as fuck can't lol

I have to work on this comic, I haven't drawn a new page since April T_T
18 more pages!! It's not that bad.

>>7644184
Did you not practice realism before turning to stylization? I draw in a way that is more stylized now but I have my physical sketchbooks and digital files of realism studies as well as gesture drawings thay I did prior to starting my comic.
>>7644475
What happened to cause the pause?

>>7644528
My inability to work consistently. I don't discipline myself enough

I need more content for Anon Jump you jerks.

>>7644695
I tried with /ic/onograpgy but there simply isn't enough people completing projects here.

>>7644475
looks nice, goodluck!

>>7644721
Ill have to join back and check that channel, maybe steal something from it

page 34

>>7645032
Lmao, sure. Do whatever you want.

Anybody got advice on drawing fight scenes, and opinions on how this WIP looks? Havent drawn any fight scenes before and this is the second page of one, so might have made it too stiff looking

>>7645132
Probably wont be good quality cause im phone posting (at work) but heres what itll look closer too once its finished, with a page finished page i posted the WIP to last thread. Any critiques on this too is cool

>>7645132
A good technique is to draw the pose as you normally draw it, and then using that drawing a reference, draw it again but more dynamic.

Similiar to that, try drawing the pose, and then using it as a reference, draw it again but at a more interesting angle.

Pros can of course go straight to the "dynamic" version first, but it helps alot to essentially draw in these two stages, focussing all your brain power into the pose and composition and faces etc first, and then focus entirely on the dynamism second without having to think about those former things anymore because you're just copying the reference drawing.

Some other tips I've heard are, when drawing fight scenes, make the panels diagonal, this makes them seem more actiony.

And add more speed lines, they make everything faster

>>7645132
>>7645137
Gesture is the most important thing for drawing fight scenes IMO. It's what sells the blows and throws and impacts. Well, most important after clarity anyway.
Pic is a random example I remembered, and it reminded me: all the same fundamentals of storytelling apply to fight scenes. Set things up, pay them off, surprise your readers. You still ought to remember to keep things interesting in the fight scene itself. You shouldn't just assume that the character hitting each other instead of talking to heads is automatically more compelling to read. Not because it isn't, but because you can make a fight scene way better that way.
Other than that... the only helpful advice I can think of is to read manga so you can see how other authors do it. And if you do, you might notice that straight up fist fights are often avoided. Even in fucking boxing manga. Why? Because it's super hard to portray on a page. They'll usually be heavily broken up between pages, rather than having a whole sequence on one page.

>>7645149
not really great example. As much as I hate CSM, it's a good example why you DON'T need gesture.

>>7645190
>CSM
CSM is more like an example of why you DON'T need good art in the first place if the writing is good (this only applies to part 1)

>>7645202
1. Why are you using a page of talking heads to demonstrate?
2. Gesture's probably the big thing CSM's fight scenes are generally lacking in (other than polish)
3. You're describing something being compelling despite a particular element being weak. Guy asked for advice on drawing fight scenes, and gesture really is important for DRAWING them. How many fucking people complain about CSM's stiff drawings during the fights? You brought CSM up because its lacking gesture stood out to you, even.
And frankly CSM gets too much hate. Its fight scenes are fine. There's wonky poses and clearly rushed drawings here and there, but they're compelling enough. They're well composed, always easy reading and they do apply the fundamental storytelling I mentioned in my post. But they're not really examples of well-DRAWN fight scenes, which is why I didn't use it as an example of well DRAWN fight scenes.

>>7645132
You need more variation of closeups and zoomouts, every panel looks the same and it makes it boring

>>7645262
I wouldn't say it "needs" those things. What he's got there is one way of doing it. It's not a wrong way or anything. This way achieves a particular effect that anon might be intending.

>>7645278
Funny you posted that, cause it was one of the main references I’ve been using. I referenced street fights and also UFC fights, but that definitely made things too stiff, like in the middle panel in picrel

I’ll try to exaggerate and more, and probably have more close ups, specifically one on when each thug is knocked out.

>>7645278
These pages you posted have several close ups and variations in the angles shot

>>7645318
The left side ( the actual fight sequence we're discussing) has only one angle, and two closeups. So does the anon's page. One closeup of the eye, one closeup of the guy's blocking stance, one angle for the sequence.

I am actually able to come up with panels now
I'm closer than ever to have drawn a one shot it makes me happy.
keep it up anons

>>7645278
I always thought the way joseph fought in jojolion was very "by the book" like he only remembers how to do basic boxing moves, he seems pretty lanky and weak anyways. This scene wasn't supposed to be a brawl The sovver dudes aren't even human and he wasn't trying to throw a punch, his hand merely touching josuke was gonna do something if I remember.

If araki was trying to do an actual serious fight then I'm retarded and didn't notice

>>7645380
Glad to hear it, hope to see it soon

Can you have style without having to resort to "same face syndrome" ?

>>7645466
Does Naoki Urasawa have a style?
Does Yoshihiro Togashi have a style?
Obviously, yes. And obviously, yes. So obviously, yes.

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>>7645132
As others have said, needs more dynamism.

>>7645485
Dutch angles are a good idea, and essentially effort free. I should use them in some appropriate scenes.

>>7645473
>Naoki Urasawa
Yeah ? Honestly have a ton of "same face syndrome" I always remember how he draw plain faces, small eyes, more often big noses.

One thing i noticed most manga do is use same face on their protagonist and women from different manga, older and background chars usually have variety

>>7645490
Anon Urasawa does not have sameface at all.
Yes, there are recurring character design elements. That is NOT sameface.
Here is a page with 3 different middle-aged big-nosed balding men.
Mustachio has pronounced cheekbones, defined eyelids, severe lines around his lower mouth and a distinctly triangular nose.
Raincoat has a very rounded face, a much more circular shape to his nose, no definition on his eyelids and, despite making a very similar expression to Mustachio, a clearly different shape to his low mouth.
Meanwhile Suit is clearly blockier. He has a defined jaw, something the other two lack, defined brows, a stockier (but still large) nose. It's not as obvious here but his expression are drawn with much less lines around the mouth, giving him a different impression from Mustachio.
They all have different faces that are recognizable even if you put them in a vacuum with no other identifiable factors. They are not the same face. If you think they are the same face, you might have some degree of face blindness.

>>7645502
Honestly, those faces do look very similar. They same stubby, pug nose, the same small, downturned eyes with nearly identical iris/pupil size, the same small, down turned mouth.

Whether or not a character is fat, or has a mustache, or whatnot is almost irrelevant if all your main facial features are drawn identically and are all the same shape, size, and placement on the face.

That being said, you can still tell those characters apart at least, and I think that's the most important part.

>>7645533
>Whether or not a character is fat, or has a mustache, or whatnot
If you pay attention you might realize I did not use those as examples of how the character designs differ. I was pointing out how their FACES are different. Why are you ignoring that their faces are fucking different?
>if all your main facial features are drawn identically and are all the same shape, size, and placement on the face.
THEY'RE NOT AND I POINTED OUT EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE NOT FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU

>>7633341 (OP)

>>7645597
KEK. I like it already.

>>7645597
average italian kid

>>7645597
he's literally me....

>>7645802
>>7645995
>>7646685
Thanks guys. What do you think of this cover?

>>7647053
That looks pretty good anon. I really like it.

Also, new thread at: >>7647211

>>7640382
>terrible because it draws the eye towards the panelling itself and not what's in the panels.
no its the opposite, a standardized grid of evenly sized panels completely fades away the panels from the mind of the viewer

>>7640512
>it's not like somebody is putting a gun to their head saying it has to be this way or else Marvel goes bankrupt.
funnily enough marvel editors will shitcan newcomer artists if they stray too far from "standard" paneling
https://youtu.be/dD6eQ4esQ2Q

>>7640595
the symmetry here is great and really creative because the panels narrowing is contextualized as them morphing into the elevator door, giving the impression of a smooth scene transition

>>7645533
>nearly identical iris/pupil size
i mean that's an artstyle thing at this point, if you are doing something that's more along the lines of cartooning like urasawa you cant really go giving huge eyes to adult characters, it'd just look odd

>>7645597
GMI energy