How do I actually force myself to draw? I've been wanting to draw for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one Loomis face like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises or line work since then. I've been trying to get myself to draw, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to draw, but can only make myself draw circles for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've got a couple of drawing books and a drawing tablet for my PC and barely touched them.

You might have misinterpreted what drawing is and actually you don't want to do it. It can take a few tries before you find some hobby you like the reality of. Either that or maybe your attention span is just scuffed.

>>7650679
>You might have misinterpreted what drawing is and actually you don't want to do it. It can take a few tries before you find some hobby you like the reality of.

Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
>Gave up on writing
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.

My ADHD doesn't allow me to get into the flow state like everybody else does. Even on medicine, I can't make myself do ANYTHING.

I'm not here to get attention, I'm not here because I "secretly don't like drawing" I'm here because I want to fucking draw. Now are you going to give me advice or not?

BOT.

>>7650674 (OP)
get rid of your phone for a couple weeks then

>>7650685
I need my phone for referencing or doing anything.

>>7650687
damn

>>7650687
what a queer bait

>>7650687
Guess he found his actual passion and hobby; schizo posting on /ic/.

What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7650725
Can you give me advice to be able to do it on my own?

>>7650727
What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7650687
Someone needs to make a 4 hour long video essay on the psychology of 4chan schizo posting

>>7650733
>>7650698
>>7650694
>>7650687
>OMG he explains his situation using a clear and succinct post every time! What a schizo!

>>7650683
get a job, loser

>>7650738
>strawman
like a proper schizo

>>7650740
I already have one. Still can't make myself do anything. Even on medicine.

>>7650762
>Still can't make myself do anything. Even on medicine
prove it

>>7650764
Is the fact that I can't make myself draw or do anything not proof enough?

>>7650679
This, or you can try drawing for other people. It can be a great external motivator to make things for people you care about.

>>7650769
I want to make things for myself.

>>7650766
you've shown drawings, however minimal. the fact that you have enough coordination to post here is proof enough that you have the potential.

>>7650780
Okay so, for the millionth time. How do I make myself?

>>7650784
the same thing you do to make yourself type these posts

>>7650793
Because using my phone is inherently stimulating, while drawing isn't. That's what makes drawing more difficult for me.

>>7650796
that in no way negates my point. I'm talking about will. whether you're doing something stimulating or not, you have natural will which directs you towards it.

>>7650805
I don't have a natural will that directs me towards anything. Right now I'm laying in bed looking at the ceiling while in between looking at my phone.

>>7650812
inaction is a sort of action. you're choosing that rather than jerking your pecker, say. if you're alive and not in a coma, you have will.

>>7650818
Because I have ADHD and that's what my mental condition makes me do. What can I do to stop this?

>>7650822
might be a tendency, but it's simply a mischaracterization to say it makes you. you've drawn before by directing your mind to drawing, you know how to do it.

>>7650762
What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7650822
What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7650812
What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7650833
How do I make myself?

>>7650869
What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7650869
same way you made yourself make those previous drawings

>>7650674 (OP)
You have it really hard with all your conditions. It's not easy for you. It's amazing you managed to draw a few times now. Take things at your own speed and don't be too hard on yourself. Draw when you feel like it. Don't push yourself mentally too much.
You got this. It's amazing you managed to draw in the past. You can repeat this. It will happen!
How big is the fear of you not drawing again? Are you able to increase that fear? Harness the fear. Ride on its back.
The apathy makes it hard to feel anything, right? You are in a state of depression and that is making you not drawing or feel the fear of rotting away and not doing anything.
Tell me about your past. Has it always been like this? Or was there a starting point when the apathy set in?
What are your current living arrangements? What is the place like where you drew last time? Can you describe that desk?
You are a writer, right? Describe the place you were drawing at.
It's not easy for you. And it is, honestly, really mean how you were called names in the past. What would be name we should call you instead of the slurs people have given you?
Helping you requires learning about you. You're a human and you deserve being heard.
I'm trying to help you by understanding you a bit better. I can understand your point that you need help. It's, honestly, great that you're seeking help from people. There's lots of people who won't even reach out in the first place. I don't want to call you Howie because that would be insulting.
Is there currently a piece of paper near within reach near you?
It's fine. Starting art is a very daring thing. I'm glad you're reaching out. I'll be here for you.

>>7650674 (OP)
>>7650683
>>7650784
>>7650869
>Guys, how do I draw?
>You just draw
>but I don't want to!
>Okay so then don't
>but I want to draw!
>so then draw
>but... I.... muh source film maker...NO, I REFUSE TO DRAW, NOW TELL ME HOW TO DRAW
every single thread

>>7650738
Indeed, my fellow artist. Indeed

>>7651232
All I'm doing is telling you what my problems are and you're accusing me of trolling?

>>7650872
I don't know how to make myself is the problem.
>>7651077
>Here's how you draw
>Here's why that advice doesn't work
>BBUHHHH YOU SCHIZO BLUBLUBB

>>7651246
>>7651251
>>7651251

>Guys, how do I draw?
>You just draw
>but I don't want to!
>Okay so then don't
>but I want to draw!
>so then draw
>but... I.... muh source film maker...NO, I REFUSE TO DRAW, NOW TELL ME HOW TO DRAW
every single thread

>>7651253
>>Here's how you draw
>>Here's why that advice doesn't work
>>BBUHHHH YOU SCHIZO BLUBLUBB

>>7651255
>Guys, how do I draw?
>You just draw
>but I don't want to!
>Okay so then don't
>but I want to draw!
>so then draw
>but... I.... muh source film maker...NO, I REFUSE TO DRAW, NOW TELL ME HOW TO DRAW
every single thread

>>7651256
>>>Here's how you draw
>>>Here's why that advice doesn't work
>>>BBUHHHH YOU SCHIZO BLUBLUBB

>>7651251
>I don't know how to make myself is the problem.
You do it because you enjoy it.

>but I don't want to!
>Okay so then don't
>but I want to draw!
>so then draw
>but... I.... muh source film maker...NO, I REFUSE TO DRAW, NOW TELL ME HOW TO DRAW
more like every single post

>>7651259
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7651259
>>7651255
You would rather be BLUBLUBBposting rather than drawing.

You don't enjoy drawing. kindly stop bothering this website.

>>7651260
Okay so how do I make myself enjoy it or do anything?

>>7651267
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7651266
>You don't enjoy drawing
Then do I not enjoy any hobby ever? This is the exact same process for all of them.
>Try hobby
>Have difficulties
>Give up and stop caring
Over and over.

>>7651272
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7651276
How do I do it?

>>7651277
>I don't know how to make myself is the problem.
You do it because you enjoy it.

>but I don't want to!
>Okay so then don't
>but I want to draw!
>so then draw
>but... I.... muh source film maker...NO, I REFUSE TO DRAW, NOW TELL ME HOW TO DRAW
more like every single post

>>7651283
How do I do it then?

>>7651294
Two ways, you gotta decide
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Then do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Then seek help of medical professionals.

He's lost it

>>7651298
How do I do it?

>>7651310
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7650690
save a bunch of photos on your computer
whenever its time to draw put your phone in the other room or somewhere inconvenient
and disable your wifi

>>7651320
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651327
I want to be able to do things without having to remove distractions. I want to focus on things the same way everyone else does.

>>7651330
>>7651334
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651345
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651232
>jannies nuke the thread about payment processors with useful info and discussion between the flamewars
>jannies don't nuke the obvious sharty troll thread despite there being tons and tons of evidence about it being sharty trolling

>>7651366
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651368
>I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651481
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651485
>>I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651490
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651491
>>>I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651492
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651492
>>>>I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

This is advanced schitzoposting

>>7651496
>Why is this so hard for you to understand?
How am I supposed to understand you? How about you post some real advice?

>>7651511
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651511
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651513
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651520
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
>>7651522
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651524
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651527
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651529
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

Jannies please I'm begging you kill this troll thread and all like it.

This fucker keeps posting this shit and has done so constantly, for years.

>>7651534
I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7651535
just draw

>>7651534
>>7651527
>>7651522
>>7651520
>>7651494
>>7651485
Protip: if you put "sage" (without quotes) in the "Options" field it will not bump the thread when you reply to him.

>>7651540
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651541
Oh I will indeed.

>>7651543
I can't get my bot to sage. Sorry.
The jannies should ban this tard to hell and back though. Once he gets banned across the board on sight he'll give up.

>>7651548
I hope he does, he kept infecting other threads the other day

>>7651232
more people (including jannies) need to see this

>>7651558
Pretty sure that was just someone 'aving a laugh

>>7651563
He is just trolling constantly so you're right even if it was him

Hello anon! I would think you should start with doodling things on the paper. Drawing circles for 30 seconds still counts! Keep doing this! My personal favorite method to inspire myself to draw is severe self depreciation! Telling myself that I'm not worth anything and I might as well sepukku into my dogs' bowl helps immensely. Because I want to die less than I want to draw.
After about a few years of drawing random bullshit, you'll develop an addiction and just feel the need to *do something*, anything, just to meet your "draw daily or else" quota that is self-imposed. It might not work for you immediately, but taking the first step is always better than wishing you did.
I know it may sound like I'm being a fair bit sarcastic, but I promise you, I hate myself more than anything else on the planet, and that in itself, allows me to draw daily.

>>7651563
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>7650674 (OP)
Start a bioengineering degree, and don't worry: "determination", "focus", "self-possession", etc. will come — or you will fail. If you can't get through an advanced degree, then you already know you are a failure. It is the minimum requirement to be a human.

>>7651575
How do I make myself?

>>7651764
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651766
How do I make myself?

>>7651771
Choose one:
1) "I want to do it without help!"
-> Just do it and stop asking for advice.
2) "I can't do it on my own!"
-> Seek help from medical professionals.

>>7651764
do what you did when you made yourself draw those times before

>>7651771
do what you did when you made yourself draw those times before

>>7651773
>>7651777
Okay so how do I draw good?

>>7651780
wtf he actually drew

>>7651780
you're already on the right path, just keeping going.

>>7651780
mogs me

>>7651780
Good job, anon! Now keep doing this until you can do it with your eyes closed and make a deceptively accurate circle! I believe in you anon! Do it every day!; this is the discipline part! It's how you distance yourself from the "how do I get myself to draw" mentality!

>>7650687
Is it a demoralization thing?
I don’t get it, this exists on every board on this website
There’s always people pretending they want help when they don’t and like, asking for help is their way of trolling?
Like I’m genuinely confused
They ask for help and people over reasonable actionable advice which they then shoot down with a fabricated excuse
Is that the trolling part? Fabricating an excuse for every piece of advice offered to try to frustrate the person offering the advice? Is it really that entertaining?

>>7652580
>Is that the trolling part?
No the trolling part is when he manages to get someone who genuinely tries to help and take into account his "problems," relating it to people they know or experiences they had themselves.

It's to bait out people into telling their own retardation stories. Fresh lolcow milk.

What's more horrifying?
Someone trolling for three years? Or Howie being a real person who inhabits this planet?

>>7652605
So somebody saying “haha yeah I have ADHD too and it took me a while to figure out a way to approach art in a disciplined way, here are a fee things that worked for me that might help you too” is the response that he’s looking for?
That’s the response that makes this guy belly laugh?

>>7652614
Yes.

>>7652622
Some people are just sick I guess

Here's some more.

>>7650738
what if he just used the energy spent on whining in these threads on drawing? imagine how much howie would improve in 3 years if he drew as much as he spammed this shit

>>7653123
Is this what you want to draw? Circles? Good for you then!

>>7653128
>>7653133
What should I do next? Does it look good?

>>7653138
you should genuinely kill yourself

>>7653138
by the looks of it you already have the keys. just keep progressing in a like manner, and you'll get there anon!

>>7653138
>Does it look good?
I don't know. Does it look like what you had in mind?

>>7653143
I want to be able to draw characters. Is this a good start to learning fundamentals?

>>7653230
yeah

>>7653230
Draw the character as good as you can with your current skills

HOWIE
SLIDE
THREAD

>>7653311
>>7653232
How do I make myself draw for more than thirty seconds without getting distracted and stopping?

>>7653536
Stop posting on 4chan

>>7653536
just do what you've done with your other drawings. we all get distracted, but again just do what you've done before. you got this.

Should I take a shortcut and go straight to digital instead?

>>7653540
do you ultimately want to make digital art, traditional, both?

>>7653546
I think digital is the one I want to do.

>>7653548
well, there ya are then

>>7653549
But should I do traditional before digital or what? I've seen a couple of artists do this.

>>7653555
there's no necessity, but if you want to ultimately do digital, then starting there sooner than later would help you get comfortable with the medium earlier than later.

>>7653555
Just do what feels right and don't worry too much about what the "right" way is. Professional artists who started drawing as kids didn't worry so much about what methods they used at the very beginning

>>7653558
Will that help me get better faster?

>>7653559
I have a drawing tablet but I haven't touched it that much and I couldn't figure out the programs because they looked too complicated for me

>>7653558
Will it help me get better faster?

>>7653572
there are shortcuts that certain digital programs have which can expedite the process, but it depends on how much and how well you utilize them

>>7653572
Just for the record, if you focus too much on "getting good" at the beginning, you'll burn yourself out and be miserable. Take it easy and learn things gradually

>Howie realized he can only engage in dopamine troll thread stimulation by actually drawing
huh, would you look at that

>>7653576
>>7653603
How do I use FireAlpaca?

>>7653894
which part?

>>7653925
Any part of it.

>>7653938
well that's gonna differ depending on the specific part, so you would need to clarify

>>7653938
Watch a beginner tutorial video
>Which one?
Any of them, i'm not google
>But i can't focus
Too bad, watch it

this nigger has to die eventually right. im sick of his shit

>>7654211
>>7653942
I don't understand any of it is the problem.

>>7654287
no worries. treat it like a sandbox.

>>7654291
But then I'll never do anything. I have to force myself to do it.

>>7654294
Do you motherfuckers see this shit? None of what he's saying makes any fucking sense for someone that actually cares about drawing. Jesus Christ

>>7654296
No, you're talking to someone who has ADHD. This is what that's like.

>>7654294
you've made yourself draw before, we've seen the photos. you got it.

>>7654301
Oh, yeah? Good luck convincing Howie here then.

>>7654296
100% he is trolling.

>>7654296
He even fakes what "ADHD" is like, if you go through all the symptoms he has listed in previous threads and composite them into a person, you get someone who wouldn't be mentally capable of posting on here.

Cont >>7654320
Like he wouldn't have the focus to do the captcha and wait out the 2 minute timer.

Cont >>7654324
Nor would he have the money (or again, focus) to pay for a 4chan pass.

Cont >>7654327
Replying a lot so his troll threads go into autosage hell faster is probably ideal.

>>7654329
lmao he'll just make a new one

Cont >>7654329
Because this may mean that a jannie will catch wind of how his shitty OPs are an obvious trolling pattern when they're not weeks apart.

>>7654333
>that a jannie will catch wind of how his shitty OPs are an obvious trolling pattern when they're not weeks apart.
We've had these threads for three years now

>>7654332
He will keep bumping the same thread otherwise and it increases the likelihood that a jannie notices it's a pattern, as I said >>7654333

>>7654335
This board has no jannies

>>7654334
Jannies aren't board-specific so they're likely not going to the same jannie

>>7654336
Other boards only "have" jannies because jannies are just normal users who have deletion powers, and most people don't have interest in making art. /ic/ is very small

Howie will win in the end.
He always does.

Cont >>7654333
Anyway, simply ignoring his threads tends to not work because he will just keep bumping it so his bait stays fresh

Cont >>7654342
He either isn't an artist (and might be grabbing photos of retards' practices off some noname account or reddit or something) or is faking being a turbo-beg for troll purposes.

How can I motivate myself to understand this complicated program?

>>7654374
just do what you did to make yourself do those drawings

>>7654378
I don't remember what I did.

I wonder why its so hard to draw sometimes. I love drawing but my brain will resist it up until I Actually start. Its like I can't draw unless I'm passionate about the idea.

>>7654404
Drawing what you're passionate about is the key. That's why you shouldn't just do study after study. It sucks the passion out of anyone.

>>7654399
well if you don't want to learn it, you can just do something else

>>7654412
Then do I not like doing anything?

>>7654412
Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
>Gave up on writing
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.

My ADHD doesn't allow me to get into the flow state like everybody else does. Even on medicine, I can't make myself do ANYTHING.

I'm not here to get attention, I'm not here because I "secretly don't like drawing" I'm here because I want to fucking draw. Now are you going to give me advice or not?

>>7654415
you like replying to this thread

>>7654416
>>7650687

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1LpFrDlLQUaQb0qvnQS26ux-R0hCSuTI&si=LnaMTDQcacR_147d

I'm already having trouble with these.

>>7654489
wow that must suck

>>7654498
So what do I do?

>>7654296
People don't really understand what it's like to have actual ADHD. "Just do it" doesn't work, it works for normal people that have brains which take the hint and start producing dopamine as they should. An ADHD person will try and it feels pointless, every signal in their body is telling them to stop and that it's not going to work and that they need to do something else that's much more important and worthwhile. If they're a masochist and particularly stubborn, they might force themselves to do it for 5-10 minutes before becoming so mentally exhausted they have to take a break with something their brain actually finds rewarding. A normal person might experience something similar, an initial hump of inertia before their brains take the hint and they get in the zone - this never happens to an ADHD person, no matter what trick you try.

>>7654522
What are you having trouble with?

>>7654523
Guess you should give up then lmao

How does this board fall for this shit every time? Just let these fucking threads die.

>>7654526
Give up on everything?

>>7654535
ok but he did actually draw this time

>>7654523
When you say shit like this you mock ADHD people who actually manage to get shit done despite their disorder. ADHD isn't the problem. It's you.

>>7654538
Yes

>>7654537
Correct

>>7654537
Do you really think that spamming /ic/ will actually help you

>>7654535
He replies to himself to keep it bumped.

>>7654535
>>7654546
Accelerating his retarded threadmaking by exhausting the bump limit is the way

>>7654535
>>7654546
>>7654548
By doing so, it makes it more likely the jannies - who do not go to /ic/ of their own volition - can recognize his trolling and finally get a mod to ban him.

>>7654539
That's obviously his intention, he's posting bait.

>>7654539
>>7654554
>post something obviously incorrect
>bait people into correcting him and sharing why
>since it's about mental illness, it's to get a bunch of ADHDers to yap about their personal experiences

ADHDtists ITT, please share your art

>>7654582
I'm not in this thread but I allowed this brush to take over my life for a while and you know how hard it is to stop doing something you love and do the correct thing when you're ADHD-out

>>7654610
>>7654582
Okay so how do I make myself when I have ADHD?

>>7654610
That's a nice looking bull, anon.

>>7654620
Thanks, the problem is that I don't know how to build values with that brush and it super slippery all the time when I studied with it. Then I took a step back thinking "Do I want my art to even look like this?" and the answer was no. Then I remembered I went down this path for a specific painting I never got back to for like a couple of months.

>>7654613
You have to do anything to change your mindset, and I'm not talking motivation wise more how you frame things in your mind as priorities and surround yourself with things that promotes what you want to do and lie to yourself because I'm still procrastinating right now

>>7654627
Okay so how do I do that?

>>7654639
Prayer

He's like a toddler but worse.

>>7654639
You basically have to change everything you're consuming in a direction you want to go and your environment will give you the idea to do what you need to. Maybe watch a few people make the same mistakes you do and realize how foolish you've been.

>>7654692
Stop giving me this vague bullshit and give me actual advice.

>>7654697
How do we give you actual advice?

>>7654730
Tell me what to click and how to do anything in the program.

>>7654734
How do we tell you what to click?
How can we tell you how to do things in the program?

>>7654745
I want to be able to draw characters.

>>7654734
Click "File" then click "New" this will give you a bunch of settings but you can click "create" or "ok" then there will be a blank canvas. If you have a drawing tablet you can push the pen that came with it down on the tablet in the area that is white and that will create what we call in the art industry a "brushstroke". create as many as needed to get your desired effect then click file>> Save as then name your document and press OK you most likely won't finish your art on your first sitting so be sure to come back again and again until it's complete.

>>7654748
How can we tell you how to draw characters?

>>7654748
how do we check to know whether we know how to tell you what to click or how to do other things in the program?

randomly did this in about 5 seconds.

>>7654886
not howie

>>7654886
fake howie

I want to have advice so I can do it on my own without anyone helping me. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>7654895
>>7654889
No this is actually me.

>>7654898
What will it be?
>I want to do it without help!
Then do it and stop asking for advice.
>I can't do it on my own!
Then seek help of medical professionals.

>>7654899
No its not

>>7654899
prove it

Even more self-contradictions. Give up tard-o

Come draw with us on drawpile. There’s a massive digital canvas (10000*10000) that gets cleared whenever it’s full, and every time there’s a different theme you can base your drawing on. Or not.
The fact that the canvas gets reset every few weeks or so motivates me to draw. maybe it’ll work for you too.
You can find drawpile thread on /i/ and /ic/.

I don't know what to do beyond this or know how to apply it to what I want to draw.

>>7656617
That's not a character looks like.
Draw them a face and a body.

>>7656639
How do I draw that and how do I draw a body?

>>7650687

What do I do beyond this?

>>7656765
Draw the rest of the fucking owl.

>>7656769
How about stop being a smartass, twisting everything I'm saying with this pseudointellectual nonsense. Am I using the correct methods to construct a face, or not?

>>7656770
Draw the rest of the fucking owl.

HOWIE
SLIDE
THREAD

not to alarm OP but this is what a 16 year old can do after 2 months of Andrew Loomis AND copying flavor of the month Manga.

>>7656780
This one is 15 years old that exclusively follows youtuber tutorials and copying Webtoon stuff

>>7656765
why'd you even draw that? the circle and the lines and stuff?

>>7650683
These things can be hard. It's not all joy. But the other things that you feel while you're making art are still worthwhile. They give texture and meaning to the experience, even this angst. But only if you can manage it. It doesn't seem to me like you're here to manage it. It sounds like you're here to vent out your frustration.


I don't have to read far to see where this thread is going. These conversations are like games of pachinko where we knock into every reason you can possibly fathom in order to hold onto your rage, in the hopes of falling into the right slot that will give you a way forward. People will try to offer what's worked for them, or at least what they hope could work. But there will be something in your experience that you can put forward as to why it doesn't count. Then they'll get angry and yell at you. The most insidious thing is that this sort of negative reinforcement can be more rewarding to a stimuli-starved mind than actually doing the thing.

ADHD is real and presents serious issues. But it's your responsibility to handle it. I was diagnosed myself. I may not have it in the way that you do, but I have to try and manage it. It isn't an option for me not to. The answers for you are out there. But they likely are relatable to some boiler-plate, reductive advice. You'd be surprised. It's because it's reductive that it can become relatable, and it becomes a useful concept for you to hold onto once it has finally clicked into place to match your personal experience in some actionable way.

My actual advice is that you have to find a way to introspect about these things that's actually useful. This is not. Introspection is the key to improvement and to the ideas you want to express. If you can't do it without ruminating on how you give up on everything and framing it as the result of something that's completely out of your control, then your problems are not with drawing. They're upstream.

>>7656868
https://warosu.org/ic/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=Advice+I%27ve+been+given+and+why+it+won%27t+work

>>7656868
Not OP or a bot, thank you for effortposting. I have issues managing ADHD as well, and I find creative efforts difficult to hold to. Howiebot's made it impossible to ask about here though, and honestly I'm kind of glad he has, so I can't escape to ruminating or whining. It hurts to make bad art, I feel frustrated with the process a lot, but trying to find dopamine in crying about it isn't helping me or the board.

>>7656947
>It hurts to make bad art, I feel frustrated with the process a lot

NTA but If I'm starting out on a drawing I usually say "this is my first drawing of the day it will be bad" so I don't usually feel bad, or if I'm trying something new I'll physically write down somewhere "This will be bad" and when it's not as bad as I thought it would be i'm pleasantly surprised. Remembering that Greatness never takes first time applicants help a lot as well.

>>7656770
There are no "correct methods", retard. Use whatever you want or just die immediately.

>>7656996
get baited moron

>>7657018
>>7657018

>>7656765
Keep going. You at least need to generally place shit like the body parts even if its wrong you can just fix it.

Just draw.

What is the sick fuck behind all this actually getting out of it? Tell me, you bastard! Fucking tell me!

Here's my problem.
>Try to draw
>Medication like my paroextine makes me too shaky and unmotivated
>Stimulants also make me shaky
>Even on a drawing tablet that's digital it's really hard to get around this
>All I want to do is get back in bed and look at my phone
What do I do about this?

>>7657322
Simply do nothing. Be at peace with yourself and nature. Take a deep breath. Feel the tender air flowing through the hairs on your skin.

>>7657322
You know your drawing tablet is just a big smartphone right?

>>7657128
He's not even trolling, he is a real genuine person with low IQ and zero self-awareness.

>>7657419
Por que no los dos?

He's /beg/'s problem now.

>>7657484
He'll get ignored there so he'll just crawl back here because he's an attention whore

>>7657322
Firstly, motivation is a fucking myth, its fleeting and unreliable at best, Willpower is what you should be looking for. Second, nix the ego and use the stabilizer setting up to what feels comfortable to use. Thirdly, you're still going to suck, just keep making shit until its not (as)shit anymore, drawing is a trade, and like any trade, avoiding the thing you dont like is only going to make you shittier at your job. Babies dont come out the pussy knowing how to walk, they fall on their ass until they learn how, the same is true for drawing. And for gods sake trade your phone in for a cheap ass chinese bingbong phone that barely works, put the dopamine brick down and draw.

>>7657608
I'm currently trying to draw right now and I can't fucking figure it out. I'm trying to draw this image from A Hat In Time, and I can't figure out what the fuck I'm supposed to do.

I literally don't know what the fuck I'm doing the moment I start drawing. All this shit looks too complicated and I can't figure it out.

>>7658087
why'd you start with that circle for the face?

>>7658114
Because the divided ball and plane method is too complicated for me to figure out. Every artist I've ever met does it this way, no one uses the divided ball and plane method.

>>7658092
There's no wrong way to draw. That's why abstract art is not only a thing, but also for some fucking reason the type of art that always sells to normies. Don't hold yourself to strict guidelines; everything is just a suggestion. Wing it bro.

>>7658122
nice. if you got it from other artists, then that means you can follow a step-by-step tutorial

Here's what it looks like now.

Here's what the reference image is.

>>7658157
better than most of this board, tbqh

>>7658166
You're serious?

>>7658168
just look at the place. you're well on your way, howie. just keep doing these studies and you'll get there. keep watching other artists and how they do their process. you've clearly got the potential.

>>7658157
mogs me

>>7658157
yup, he's got it

>>7658185
>>7658181
>>7658179
So does this prove that I actually want to draw and don't just "Like the idea of doing it"?

>>7658195
Don't prove it to us. Prove it to yourself.

>>7658195
no one likes drawing for its own sake, everyone wants to reach a certain qualitative/social height with their art. you're setting an impossible standard on yourself. if you want to get good, that's more than enough.

I'm gonna try doing line art tomorrow.

>>7658157
>>7658325
Oh nice, you drew something again. Good job! Remember to trust the process and take your time, nobody starts as an art genius, look up references, don't despair

>>7650683
Stop believing that you must enjoy every minute and just force yourself, idiot.

>>7658195
No, but like... what do you expect to do with that information

>>7650674 (OP)
find a project you want to draw for, and work on that project
draw and print a tshirt design you can gift a family member for christmas
illustrate the cover of a game you've been day dreaming about making for years. get an actual template for whatever target console you want to make a game for and just do it. make a simple 3d model of the box in blender and rotate that thing around like it's a real product. mock up some fake screenshots, a silly blurb about the story and gameplay
you'll figure out you need to sketch things out first. you'll draw a lot of sketches to figure out the layout, composition, poses. if there are characters, you'll need to figure out how to draw individual pieces of clothing, look at reference, draw it again and again until you simplify it and get a feel for the lines and shapes. etc.
you'll have to draw because you have a goal and you can't just make a thing. you have to work towards it
easier said than done, I know
but good luck!
>but I'm not good enough yet
you'll never be "ready". you've heard variations of this multiple times and you have ignored it. but it's true
just draw

OP is clearly mentally unwell, he needs help none of us are able to give him. Godspeed, OP, I hope you resolve you get the help you desperately need.

>>7658918
Howie has shown that he IS capable of drawing, it's just that he has extreme self-doubt and self-hatred and is addicted to the dopamine that arguing in these threads provides.
He feels useless and is desperate for purpose, so he clings onto something that the internet gives attention to - art. Except he has a warped view of the process as a result of his aforementioned self-hatred. He thinks that he needs to draw every single day or he's useless, and that's when the thoughts of self-hatred come back.
He is capable, he just thinks he isn't because he's been told his entire life that he isn't. He makes these threads out of desperation and desire for dopamine, he has no friends in real life so arguing with anons is the closest thing he has to companionship.
Howie may be incredibly annoying, but I wish no ill will on him. One day I hope he can find help, but in the meantime we'll have to deal with his thread spamming.

>>7658973
>Howie has shown that he IS capable of drawing
He doesn't like to draw, nor does he want to.

Otherwise he would just be drawing.

>>7658195
You are way too early in to start making those grand sweeping assumptions about yourself. Just keep working on it. I think a lot of /ic/'s permabeg issue is that they look to hard at the future instead of enjoying the *now*. It's pretty sad.

>>7659271
I literally just drew

>>7659520
You don't know me, and I don't know you, but I want to let you know that I'm proud of you.

are you guys still getting baited by this sharteen?

>>7659520
yes yes you "just drew" because you're either a sharteen who knows only how to make BASEDjacks and are doing an elaborate con or a better artist trolling the board now shut the fuck up

>>7659520
If you were real then with the collective knowledge of every single fucking thread you've made, you'd have no problems anymore because every single symptom you've described has had numerous angles for tackling it presented and yet you continued to layer on more that would have resulted in you being incapable of posting if you weren't lying

>>7659520
So I ask you, mr HowieAnon,

Can you give me some actual advice for how to get you to leave the board alone?

Where is he? Did he give up already? I thought he was on a roll now...

>>7659732
probably waiting for more people to bite his bait because the thread is almost ready to autosage

>>7659732
I wouldn't doubt that he has canned answers ready to throw down for the next thread already

>>7659732
The funniest thing is that if he wasn't actually an artist before, the process of making these threads over years is just resulting in him graduating from a non-artist to a prebeg

>>7659732
The trick for these threads is just to split anything you write into multiple lines instead of writing a paragraph.

>>7659732
Make his shit troll threads expire faster any time someone answers his question is the surest way to ruin his fun.

>>7659732
As a funfact, you newfags should also learn the use of the sage option: https://www.4chan.org/faq#sage

>>7659765
No. I want to see Howie draw more!

>>7659774
Howie was never real anon...

>>7659780
He's as real as rainbows.

>>7659781
More like as real as unicorns

>>7659560
>>7659555
>>7659732
>>7659565
>>7659555
Here's what I've got so far, and fuck all of you for telling me that I can't draw. I'm now motivated out of spite to make all of you look like shit at drawing.

>>7659949
kek
I guess my strategy to make him draw worked
another psyop success

>>7659949
you mean we caught you using the same drawings over and over and so now you need new ones. We gave you all the help you ever asked for and you only ever gave the same dumb answer. turns out when we answered "how" with "draw" we were right all along. You can thank us anytime.

>>7659949
Took you three years to get there
Now shut up and draw more

>>7659949
>I'm now motivated out of spite to make all of you look like shit at drawing
based

>>7659949
When can we expect original work from master Howie?

THIS HAND OF MINE IS BURNING RED
ITS LOUD ROAR TELLS ME TO SEND HOWIE TO PAGE 10
ERUPTING
BURNING
THREAD KILLER

>>7659949
If you'd complained less and drawn more, you'd have been drawing like this by now. Or probably better.

>>7660145
What techniques did you use?

>>7660501
Construction and eyeballing, I dunno. Circle for the face, line for the eyes, constantly comparing with the original and checking by comparing against multiple reference features.

>>7660651
I think mine was fucking up because I did the detailing in the wrong order when I was sketching.

>>7660655
that's a part of learning

>>7659949
NO way this is Howie, bro has been barely able to doodle circles and boxes within his 3 years of howieposting, and he draws with pencil on paper - taking pics with a camera with the flash turned off

>>7660655
And here you can see that the drawing isn't even very accurate.

>>7660710
And I've had a drawing tablet for a while.

>>7660727
Thats still pretty good. I'm gonna keep trying when I get home today.

Here's what I've got again.

>>7660145
I would honestly be satisfied with my drawing skills if I could draw this well.