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*establishes dominance*
i hope the deer x elf armpitfag returns
post links next time, op fag
If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!
>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view
>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com
>PYW and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.
>Cool teachersGlenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi
>Cool booksKeys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
LINKS YEET
>>7665884that sounds intriguing
>>7665870 (OP)OFFICIAL PERMABEGSCHIZO MEMORIAL THREAD
Please leave your thoughts and prayers here. Share you favorite memories of him. RIP.
>>7665886thank you for posting links monka
Another unbridled "fun"
Process: https://youtu.be/O5DseHVpM4U
>>7665886monkeynigger with the clutch
>12 years for this
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Someone make the challenge collage.
>>7665891i love your art so much emo chan. please never stop
>>7665896Nigga Ronnie McNutted and you're laughing.
>>7665897i want to be a figure drawing model for this thread...soon.
>>7665901make sure youre nude when you post
>>7665901I believe in you. i think you would be an amazing thread challenge
>>7665902naturally.
>>7665903lol gonna b mad funny
We should corral some /soc/ attention whores to model for /ic/ tbqh. It would benefit both parties.
More life stuff. Somehow someway im gonna get more drawings on it lol
>>7665907I will draw you emo . when the time comes
>>7665891I love it but goddamn does a dick piercing look painful
Instead of insulting him, you could help him and not be so rotten.
>>7665891while you draw these ooc abominations, I draw cute, adorable ic stuff
>>7665917Who the fuck are you talking about schizo.
>>7665920you call him permabegschizo, instead of insults you could show how to draw these heads, your disgusting attitude deserves disgusting attitude towards you
>>7665891absolutely disgusting.
i love it
>>7665889no problem deerbud
>>7665894XDD
>>7665919very cute, i hope they make babies
>>7665914clit piercings too, if you really fuck it up you can say bye bye to orgasms in general
>>7665919your drawing is very cute but I think tenna has probably used spamton as a Fleshlight at least once in canon nonna
>>7665870 (OP)Yay
I finished it
>>7665926The horse Yakuza will come to your house to break your hands shortly. Was it worth it?
>>7665928What if you insulted me too? Go to hell. Besides, I have no finished works.
>>7665919adorb!
>>7665912ya once i fix issue...i been getting fat i think tho. or just lest defined. like its harder to stay shredded...due to new issue.
>>7665923lol doodlin rocks
>>7665923such a cute deer x monkey fren i love it
deer Expression so good
>>7665931If you dont have talent you arent going to learn.
6 months, 3 years, 15 years it makes no fucking difference.
If someone is destined to make it it will show within weeks or months and if you spend 5 fucking years making nothing but garbage it isnt going to change.
Fucking give up.
>>7665938Donโt listen to this anon. Never, ever give up on art.
>>7665940Whats the point of trying if you are a talentless permabeg retard that cant make anything but crude mockeries that everyone despises
>>7665892I admire your consistency! It's the one thing every artist should have! Now, to improve, you should try to make every shape look the same. You are a bit sloppy with all of your drawings. Try to get the lines all consistent and on top of each other. You can do this!
>>7665943Because giving up means youโll never make it. Nobody should give up. Thatโs a horrible thing to encourage on an art forum, especially considering that it takes a LOT of time and hard work to get even halfway decent at drawing. People on this board have a fixation with how long it takes to get to a specific โlevelโ when that really doesnโt matter. Yโallโs problem is that you donโt draw enough. Focus on having a large output rather than what level youโre at and when
>>7665922>permabegschizoWho? Quote his drawing post
>>7665924you inspired me
>>7665932yeah thats what getting old does to a mf
also thanskies :DD
>>7665923thanskies :3
he looks so shocked XDD
>>7665948>especially considering that it takes a LOT of time and hard work to get even halfway decent at drawing.it took me 8 months to even draw consistently okay,
first few months where Harsh
>>7665954very cute spamtenna monka
KILL CRABS, PRACTICE YOUR FUCKING OBSERVATION SKILLS. A BABY NEEDS TO LEARN TO WALK BEFORE THEY GROW UP TO BE AN OLYMPIC SPRINTER, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO OBSERVE BEFORE YOU GROW UP TO BE AN ARTIST
https://youtu.be/HMX3K3YMbd8
https://youtu.be/ecJO1LnjXpA
https://youtu.be/LPywXVsRKT0
https://youtu.be/RXb-Y_kz2aU
>Keys to Drawing
>Drawing on the Right Side of The Brain
NO AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION OR GESTURE OR LIGHTING OR PERSPECTIVE WILL BE USEFUL UNTIL YOU KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR EYES AND YOUR BRAIN. SOME PEOPLE CAN DO THIS ALREADY AND SO DRAWING COMES MUCH EASIER FOR THEM, MOST PEOPLE CAN'T AND NEED TO PRACTICE. DONT MEASURE YOURSELF AGAINST OTHERS BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE. PICK UP YOUR FUCKING PENCIL AND DRAW. WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT.
>>7665969Observation gods grant me your knowledge. Who do I turn to here that has mastered observation?
>>7665972Iโve gotten pretty good at observing from life. If you want to maximize your observation skills, just draw from life consistently.
>>7665948If I couldnt get above permabeprebeg in 5 years and get outpaced by kids in their first week of drawing then I dont even know what to do anymore.
Nothing got better in all that time. Why would it change suddenly.
Anons here get better than me in two weeks. There is no hope.
talent is actually just how much you've played fps unironically. want a kickstart? play fps
>>7665986>if I couldnโt get above permabeg in 5 yearsGet the level shit out of your head. It is irrelevant. All that matters is how much you draw. There is not a timer, only hard work
>outpaced by kids in their first week of drawing>Anons here get better than me in two weeks Stop comparing. Your art journey is not theirs.
This defeatist attitude needs to go. You need to want to get good at this art shit and put in the hard work to get there, no matter how long it takes. Try to not make it a goal to leave permabeg, and instead make a goal to draw more often. Once you draw more and consistently, the gains will come quickly
Here's what I've gotten so far.
>>7665996well it is a significant improvement
>started drawing 2 months ago
>all digital
>finally try some trad
>feels 10 times better to draw now
I.. I kneel tradgods..
I think I fucked up the head size, but i'm not sure how. I was using an irl pic as reference, literally put the image overlaid and the head is about the same size, but in my drawing it looks too small
this is the original picture for reference https://files.catbox.moe/uh8qrc.png
>>7665989Look at this fucking trash
>>7665558If 5 years got me that then what can I even fucking expect anymore?
if 2 weeks of experience thwart 5 years of permabeg then what fucking hope there is.
>>7666001>https://files.catbox.moe/uh8qrc.pngI really like your lines.
That line style that a round opacity brush gives is just so good when someone talented can use it. pretty nice work there anon.
>>7666001Begfag so take it with a grain of salt but I feel like it has something to do with how broad her shoulders are
>>7666001the original has such beautiful breasts, maybe try replicating them more
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>>7665989How much more and more consistently need to draw to see this "gains"?
>>7665989>It is irrelelvant.If someone makes more gains in two weeks than you in 5 years what fucking response or trajectory or anything do you even fucking take?
You are just fucking permabeg. It is OVER.
Some have it. I dont. I am trash.
Seen any of these retarded sonicfag autists making shitty diaper inflation porn in deviantart?
I am the same fucking deal. Just too aware of it.
>>7666003I saw the drawings . Personally, I donโt think theyโre that bad and that youโre being pretty hard on yourself. Labeling these drawings as trash alone is bad, because it shows that youโre attached to the drawing and what it represents about you as an artist. You will always make drawings that look shitty, even as you improve. Try to set a goal to draw maybe 20 or so Loomis heads a day. Just draw A LOT. Itโs all about getting to the NEXT drawing, not focusing on how the previous ones turned out.
I know I sound preachy but Iโm trying to churn it into your head that obsessing over how much time it took to make those drawings will not help you improve. Just focus on drawing every day and doing that consistently. Someone described me once as a โdrawing machineโ because I was literally always drawing. Get to that point, and youโll see gains.
>>7665513Goddamn, you made it hit much harder. Incredible.
I tend to get bored when making backgrounds(and trust me, sitting down to draw something is a lot of effort for me already despite the desire) and details like that, so I always end up half-assing that instead of taking time thinking of better composition. Not that thinking more would help me much without experience.
>>7665679Sheer speed and power of the pull doesn't let the poor bastard do anything.
>>7665972Not great at it but I think I've gotten a lot from drawing from life, and then putting away my reference, covering up my drawing, and trying to draw it again from memory. If you're like me you'll fuck up a lot but that's to be expected, just make mental notes of your mistakes (sometimes I write actual notes on the page but you do you). Go to the /Studies/ thread and read the hackmd article in their OP, there's a bunch of screenshots of anon advice near the bottom and links to a ton of resources
>>7666014I think letting 4chan terminology infect your brain is what's holding you back, if you talk to any artists irl they'd think you're a fucking freak of nature for bringing up "crabs" and "permabegs". I think as a start you should just stop posting here for like 6 months and use that time to practice without the influence of 4chan
>>7666014Anon I have been doing that for 5 fucking years.
I dont know what to tell you anymore. I just cant.
Others make it easily. Make progress. Learn. Get to draw from imagination. Develop their own style.
I have nothing. I have been drawing horrid dogshit trash nobody likes for years.
I cant make cute faces. I cant put them into perspective.
I want to draw but i dont want to keep going because I know everything i do wil l be horrible dogshit trash that people will laugh at.
>>7666004Thanks, I really like this type of brush because I have a heavy hand and it lets me draw without much worry of fucking up line weights
>>7666005Adjusted the shoulder and head, is it any better?
>>7666006Tried to make the left breast more similar to the original pic too, made th right one less pronounced? I guess that's what i'd call what I did, I think it looks more similar now
>>7666021You need to change your attitude. You CAN make cute faces and put them into perspective , if you work hard for it. Try to have some confidence, man.
Let me ask you this: do you care about art? Everything youโre saying tells me that you donโt; since youโll abandon it so easily.
>>7666022Shoulders look much better now!
Again I'm a beg so if I gave anon bad advice, feel free to tell me I'm a retard
>>7666021>>7666020What this anon said was spot on. Take a break from /ic/ and the standards on art that people set here. Focus on drawing consistently and know that every drawing is helping you improve
tag yourself im the long faced thing that says ''hey''
>>7664908no problem
im the guy in the right panel
>>7665961hihihih thanskies :D
>>7666027and look for good artbooks to help along the way
>>7666023>You CAN make cute faces and put them into perspective heh. I had confidence when I started and I started losing it when the months and years piled up and kept being garbage. Now seeing anons get to skill levels that I could never dream of in just months has shown me I am permabeg trash.
I cant. I want to draw.
I have tried to give up drawing for years already. Gone through tablets and books.
I want to draw but I have no talent for it.
I am worse than literal beginners and paraplegic children.
I never learnt anything.
Do you ever think of drawing in terms of information theory or system theory?
>>7666030Stop comparing yourself to other artists. It achieves nothing.
You also donโt need talent. You just need hard work.
Have you tried drawing from life? Itโs fun and challenging
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>>7666001>>7666022That looks okay to me, but if you don't like how the head feels, try putting the eyes closer together. That might make the head feel bigger.
>>7665892When do you plan to tell him that there is no point trying to draw precisely on on pixel and rather use stabilization ?
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Thread challenge
>>7666026She cute. Don't like the tangent of the top of her left eye and bangs but aside from that it's nice.
>>7666051i agree, its a bit too shapey for me and makes it a bit hard to make the eyes look right, but i prefer to stay on model
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It's not all that bad, the visual novels of the early 2000s had something like this
>>7666041It's pretty clear you aren't getting through to him at this point. Let him ruminate on his own for now. If he really loves art he'll overcome his slump. It's up to him now.
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I'm having problems with a very dumb and technical issue. I want to draw in a big canvas, but it's too hard and it takes too much time, but it looks better (lines look thin). When I work n a small canvas, it doesn't look too good (lines look too fat
example this is a quick drawing n a big canvas (5000x5000 originally)
>>7666046Ignore this, thread challenge should always be from life. Night guys
>>7666057Anime was still finding its style back then, so you'd see plenty of junk by today's standards. Card Captor Sakura's anime only just ended at the turn of the century which is one of the more influential anime that ultimately influenced the industry as a whole.
>>7666062and this is on a very small canvas (like 1500x1500)
>>7666069another example, big canvas, thin lines
>>7666072and tiny canvas, fat lines
>>7666073When I'm drawing on a very small canvas, I can draw a lot and super fast
I don't understand how most artists use huge canvas, it takes so much time and it destroys your pc
>g-guys drawing on a big canvas is hard (not a real problem) :(
>posts nothing but incredible drawings
Nigger your stuff is great. Draw on a big canvas since you already seem to know where your issue is.
>>7666078what, it is a real problem
Sometimes I just can't draw because of that reason
>>7666079Download more RAM and buy the biggest tablet you can afford. There you go, solved.
>>7666081hehehe, well, how many years did you spend to achieve such a result? Or maybe months?
>>7666001this is turning my penis into the big penis
Why do we have so many Russians here? Didn't you guys become fertilizer in Ukraine?
>>7666104It's just me here, Misha left
Where is this brazilian boy? He won't post here at all?
>>7666108he's still drawing
>>7666111Still doing coommisions too
>>7666111less than a year... Where is that anon saying that talent is not real
>>7666117What? What is he tracing? Is this really true?
>>7666116he counts back from when he started trying to get better/learn fundamentals, not from how much mileage he had passively doodling or drawing without a goal. it's the same with most people here who had fast progress, they count back to when they got serious about it, not to when they started drawing altogether.
>>7666119Not sure about that
But he used AI refs to learn his style. That's why his style looks like AI now. He shot himself in the foot
>>7666123Still, it proves that talent is more important than serious work.
>>7666125>talent is more important than serious worksloppa tracing or not, he was still posting works pretty much every day for months.
>>7666120've been drawing for less than a month in total, but all this crap, no matter how hard I try to understand anime heads, my fate is similar to permabegshizo
>>7666125he drew everyday for 8 hours a day. he drew before 10 months ago, he just wasn't serious about it, and then he studied for 8 hours everyday. that's what he did. for a style he had to figure out nothing about because it already existed with countless tutorials, guides, etc. he was also mentored. it's really not that much of a stretch.
>>7666120well of course, it doesn't sound as cool to say you've been drawing for a decade or more
>>7666125>>7666131Should have stayed away from AI. Now it's always part of his style. What a shame
>>7666095>months?I've been grinding almost 3 years, actually, studying basic anatomy and perspective, and I still make a lot of mistakes, and I'm too lazy to even attempt to draw more complicated stuff
wanna reach that level in less than a year? Check the Krenz perspective course and copy Brigdman twice
>>7666123>shot himself in the footDepends on who you ask. Nihu draws low brow gooner slop, and fans of that content will willingly eat up anything that looks like AI junk. He'll likely stagnate quickly at this rate, but if his goal is to part money from retarded coombrains then it's a winning strategy.
>>7666132legit, if I counted back to when I started learning and trying to get better, I've only been drawing for 13 months. but I find that dishonest, because I've always drawn, just never taken it seriously. until 13 months ago, I never did a study. never drew a box. never looked at a tutorial except for exactly one eye tutorial when I was 14. never looked at a single resource, art book, not one. does that mean I only started drawing 13 months ago? no, it doesn't
>>7666135for me the key is consistency
>>7666137Well he said he already feels burned out
i can never get over the when you started meme because. by ic standards. i started drawing 13 months ago. but I've actually drawn on and off my whole life. it's nonsensical
>>7666135I feel very jealous, because I understand that I will never be able to draw like this, because all my attempts are crap. Show your progress in a month after starting if you can
3 years... Neither Pavel, nor Permabegshizo, nor many others have achieved this, the talent is real, then why try...
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>>7666041>>7666140>3 years>Perfect faces in perspective>Great figures>AppealI cant even get myself to draw the rest. It is over.
I just want to fucking die.
I am too fucking pathetic to kill myself but every single day I wake up I yearn to do something I am clearly too fucking retarded to do.
Just let me die.
>>7666041I compare myself to other artists because I like seeing their artwork and I save it and bookmark it because I want to ref it to redraw stuff but it always comes out worse and as an insult to the original artist.
After 5 years my accuracy is worthless and my observation is trash.
I want to keep trying but if after all this time I havent even grasped the most basic of fundamentals then what is the fucking point? I am just doomed to be permabeg but too fucking stubborn to give up.
Would it be wrong to just trace over models and photobash shit? Cant blame a cripple for using a wheelchair.
I see others just doing it so naturally as if it were second nature with no fucking issues and sigh.
Why cant it be easy for me too.
>>7665870 (OP)trying to practice value
kinda fucked the perspective on the face OH WELL! THAT'S LIFE!
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Talent doesn't exist bro just draw
>just draw
>3 years later
>
>>7666159fix it then niggy
>>7666165try tracing the source first so you get a feel for where things go, then try again freehanding it
alternatively, draw things other than anime for the time being, then come back to it
>>7666165What even is your drawing process if you're not able to copy any better than that?
>>7666172I will not. I'm not having fun with this study anymore. I'll just do better next time.
Today's Bridgman work.I'm moving onto Hogarth, then figure redraws, then original work
Bro just put in the effort and practice more and draw more
>practiced more and drew more
>3 years later
>
>>7666185Alea iacta est. :^)
>>7666182is that you, six-months schizo?
>>7666156Several years ago I used to be a serial tracer who'd mash together images of other artists and trace over them. It's the most soul-sucking and boring shit ever, trust me. It was so fuck boring that I quit drawing entirely, only to return later to learn how to do it properly.
When it comes to 3D models, that's more or less fair game tbqh, just be aware that basic CSP 3D models won't solve everything for you and you'll still need to practice anatomy and stylization. You're better off doing figure drawing though.
>>7665884You are beginning to annoy me, would you mind getting a trip? I'd like to filter your posts
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>>7666100You should take a look at the finished one then, lol. I didn't shade it as much as my last drawing I posted of the same character because that one took a few hours and i'm feeling lazy
https://files.catbox.moe/jatror.png Had to upload to catbox because the original is too big and i'd have to make it 30% of the original size to post here
Bro, don't worry about talent, just draw
>just draw
>29 days later
>
You can't refute this...
>>7666159I recognized Moz before I saw the title so that's something.
>>7666194if you can't tolerate him you probably don't belong on 4chan
>>7666194tripping is disgusting so no sorry
>>7666192what? I'm the guy with the new drafting table
harassing me off didn't work so you have no choice but to deal with me and I think that's hilarious
Drawing is a long process, just draw
>2 weeks
>>7666227wait, it took you two weeks to draw that on the bottom? how
Bro draw, talent doesn't exist, it's all hard work.
>7 months
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holy fucking shit the talent schizo talk is so fucking boring will you faggots please get a new gimmick already
I'm not going to reply to this demoralization retard any more, but just in case any of you are blackpilled by this, keep in mind that there are 12 year olds that bench 225 pounds, run 6 minute miles, etc, or have 5 foot verticals or whatever the fuck. There will always be phenoms, savants, whatever in whatever field or artform. Unless you are grinding day in day out with a perfectly optimized art regimen, just accept that your pace will be your pace and relax. The only person you're competing against is yourself.
>>7666135Thanks anon, I am studying Bridgeman now. I will check the Krenz one after this, is the one on the Internet? BTW, nice animu.
>>7666239WHO
CARES
people who draw eight hours a day will have better results than people who draw for 2
>>7666131people here only count back to when they started drawing seriously, not to the years they spent doodling that helped them develop hand eye coordination and observation
people do not count that prior experience, only the time they picked up their current goal
people who spent eight hours a day for a year have more experience than people who drew an hour a day for 4
it's a retarded argument
people are also mentored. all of your examples are people with mentors helping them improve. if you are mentored, you improve faster
just shut the fuck up you fucking repetitive schizophrenic Slavic retard and get your head out of your ass because you ruin the thread with what an obnoxious moron you are
yes! people who are mentored improve faster! people who draw for 8 hours a day instead of 2 like nihu improve faster! who the fuck cares
you are a faggot and will always be a spamming repetitive retarded faggot
now shut the fuck up and stop being a jealous bitter little bitch and ruining everyone else's productivity you spawn of putin
>>7666238Look at this and tell me what you feel.
I feel empty
Dang it, I posted in the previous, apparently dead thread, but thanks anon
>>7665165>>7666231 btw these threads are moving awfully fast nowadays
nothing ruins this thread more than the retarded talent schizo by people who draw for thirty minutes a day with zero mentorship who are comparing their improvement to mentored neets paying for art programs and assistance
>>7666252I drew these heads
>>7666248 very thoughtfully, constantly measuring the contour of the face on the sides of the ball.
Out of pure curiosity, how many of you use tutorials rather than classes, to learn how to draw things?
if anyone spent 8 hours a day drawing an existing style with established rules, 5 million tutorials for specifically that style, while being mentored by other artists in the same style/genre and zero other responsibility outside of learning art and the drive to do it for financial incentive they would improve drastically in 10 months as well, because they have every single odd in their favor
if you're still failing drawing 8 hours a day while being mentored by another anime artist, THEN you can complain talent is a problem
>>7666196I like your face there.
>>7666255Youtube shorts have improved my art more than any class i've taken, because they just get to the point to what I want to learn instead of going over useless things I already know or don't care about
>>7666253draw for eight hours a day and get a mentor, if you're still failing, then you can complain
until then, stop fucking complaining and shitting up the thread by comparing yourself to nihu you fucking retard, and to everyone else who is putting significantly more work into it than you and is kind enough that people WANT to mentor them
>>7666182Start the original work NOW
>there are people better than me but I wont give up I will just keep crying about it like a little bitch
either give up and fuck off or shut it
and also if YOU ARE DRAWING TRADITIONAL STOP FUCKING COMPARING YOURSELF TO DIGITAL ARTISTS YOU ABSOLUTE RETARD
they are working with a different tool kit than you
it is a completely different medium, they are learning an entirely different skill
you can't fix your shit with a lasso tool trad
this retarded self flagellating autism is repetitive and boring so shut the fuck up
>Kieron Williamson, a 13-year-old British artist, has become famous for his talent and commercial success in the field of painting. His impressionist style has earned him the nickname "little Monet" and his works are in great demand.
>>7666258Thanks, I just follow other anon's advices and it comes out good
>>7666165>>7666183check your eyes, bro. You're drawing lines that aren't even there in the first place.
>>7666269oh! boohoo! you're not a child prodigy
guess what you were statistically more likely to be born a legless underdeveloped invalid being kept in a cage in southern India than you were to be a child progidy
congratulations
BOO FUCKING HOO SOMEONE PUTS MORE WORK INTO THEIR SHIT AND SUCCEEDS MORE!!
nihu and mangakafag have put significantly more time, resources and networking into learning to get good at art because they actually care about being good
stop fucking being bitter and do what they're doing and put the work in like they are if you want to get good
Nobody actually draws 8 hours a day man
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>>7666267Trads beat me too
>>7666277I draw 14 hours a day
>>7666277nihu actually did, and he obviously is doing it now with the rate he's putting out fully painted pieces
>>7666279they are putting more work in then you, and several of those figures are fucked
>>7666267This desu, if you ever plan on drawing digitally pick it up now, some things do transfer obviously, such as perspective, form intuition, composition and so on, but it's a completely different beast aside from those, i like drawing on both though
>>7666276Permabegshizo drew more than many here... BUT HE ACHIEVED NOTHING
>>7666282I'm poor, I don't have 30,000 rubles, I have one pencil stub that needs to be replaced
>>7666283he draws for under an hour a day he has a full time job and a life outside of this and people and animals he takes care of. if you draw for an hour a day for 3 years you will improve less than someone drawing for 4 hours a day for 1 year
>>7666282digital artists often struggle a lot with traditional because a digital foundation is completely different from a traditional foundation as well, it goes both ways
>>7666259Yeah, that's definitely the right mindset. Classes seem like quick ways for people to make a buck. Back in the days of tumblr (porn enabled), it felt more lax and there were bigger jumps in improvement. I would recommend anyone who wants to improve faster start digging through tumblr archives for tutorials on what they're trying to draw. Sometimes a different artist that is a nobody has better insight than Big Joe that is a paid artist with classes.
>>7666277I do. Beginner artists should work on posture at their preferred setup (both in their spine and their hand) in order to maintain a comfortable position without causing long-term injury.
>>7666283I don't get why he wasn't able to use his autism for urabe to get better at art. Like those that like drawing their OC's and get better that way
>>7666290autism doesn't work like that. as an example i want to draw, but i can't make drawing my hyperfixation. science fiction is still my overall hyperfixation, and i can't force it to be drawing just because I want it to.
>>7666277If you check this thread and the previous one, today I drew a total of 7 hours. You just need to have fun while drawing, and you'll do these same hours no problem
>>7666289>I do. Beginner artists should work on posture at their preferred setup (both in their spine and their hand) in order to maintain a comfortable position without causing long-term injury.This is my biggest problem. I don't have a chair and draw on my bed, so when I sit down to draw, I look like the guy on the bottom left.
Here no one draws for 8 hours, but still shows great results in months and a year, stop this copy, I looked at Kuroneko's face for a very, very long time but still it turns out to be nonsense
>>7666295You get pleasure when you can draw and get better, not when you get it
>>7666248 >>7665780
>>7666300bro drawing lines where there are none
>>7666296I know you're new here, but we actually do have some lowkey pretty talented artists here that have drawn for less than a year and have gotten quite good during that time
Mmm I draw sitting in my bed, listening to podcasts, high as fuck, and with a thermo full of coffee over the night table, basically paradise. Make the experience pleasurable and you'll want to draw all day every day.
>>7666111i found a better nihu
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BgNp87oaPKQ
>>7666303Do you want to confirm my argument that talent is the main thing and working is pointless?
Start working on your projects NOW. You can read countless "how to swim" books, but you'll get nowhere without actually getting in the water.
>>7666306seeing how many times digital artists adjust, change, erase etc is so interesting
>>7666307Consistency seems to be the key component
In fact, all this is sad, because I and many others who do not have talent will never be able to draw what they want, create their own drawings, games...
The reason that artists improve faster than others, I think, is because they started as children. When you are a child and are trying to learn how to draw, you go into it knowing everyone is better than you by default. Because you're a child. Instead of worrying about how other artists fly circles around them, they just want to learn more.
Many of you could benefit from your inner child. Sounds gay, but really, instead of looking at how much faster your friend or college is at getting better, try to learn what they did. Maybe your college can draw scenery really good but can't draw faces. Maybe the other person can draw anime girls but sucks ass at hands or backgrounds or literally drawing any other hairstyle. There are flaws to every quickly-improved artist. Min-maxing can get you good but when you draw a fantastic girl and everything around it is basically over rendered kiddie scribbles, was it worth it?
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>>7666300>>7665347the blur thing you did doesnt work for me
>>7665355the face and colors are the best part and its the part which wasnt traced, the pose on the other hand looks unnatural, interesting is it?
>>7665558loomis books are the ones which really benefit from actually reading instead of just looking at the pictures
>>7666261The original work is boring, so I'm waiting until I have less energy before I draw a shitload of lines. In the meantime I'll practice handshapes and shading for a separate animation
>>7666306Why this shit look like AI
>>7666029pyramid head chillin hell yeh
>>7666062great boots
>>7666115nice af faces
>>7666179is that the television dude?
>slang translationwhat is a howie, and a rat...and a crab...ive been on this website since the Cheney administration and i still havent learned a damn thing.
>>7666320the answer might shock you
>>7666304>draw>result>every timeYou spit, tear the sheet, throw away the pencil. Very nice, right?
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>>7666322Is it really? Funny how no one is calling him out on it then
>>7666119No, he posted a timelapse
>>7666316Surprisingly, those who are already good at drawing something very quickly remove their shortcomings, while people without talent are stuck in shit
>>7666306>Me when I adjust the head and pose five times for no reason
>>7666328Then it's a really strong blow, I don't want to do anything at all and have no desire to do anything now, it's pointless without talent
>>7666333Why do you draw?
>>7666331I think this is not quite the point I was going for. It's less about having talent or lacking talent. It's about the journey to acquiring a skill that nobody is born with. We all just go about it in different ways. Sorry if I'm misreading your post; this thread is sopping with negativity.
We just have to alter the way we view things. Like, yes, we suck in the beginning, but that's the beginning. Since it's a free-for-all trade, there's no set amount of time length someone's "beginning" phase will be.
>>7666293CWC is an example of autism not working like that.
>>7666288>Muh work>Muh familyWhat a cope. Pewdiepie made it while having a job and a toddler.
Same for Proko. Same for Huston.
Talent will shine through any shortcoming.
Were you to put Permabegschizo through the same hours as Nihu you would only find more and more of the ugly trash he makes every day instead of every week.
>Bruh you just need time bruh.Look at Pawell. Look at sharkfag. Look at Cris. Look at that 3d modeling fag who scammed people.
No talent with all the time only makes tons of trash.
>>7666337You retards need to stop using pewdiepie as an example, he's high/beg/ at most and he's rich
I wonder if my hands not cooperating today has anything to do with going really hard at the gym earlier
>>7666277I do sometimes on the weekend
>>7666289>Beginner artists should work on posture at their preferred setup (both in their spine and their hand) in order to maintain a comfortable position without causing long-term injury.I try to remind myself to sit up, ease my grip, and draw with my arm instead of my wrist but I have a bad habit of forgetting when I get into it. Is there anything else I could be doing to ensure longevity?
>>7666337Who is 3d modeling fag. What's the story there?
>>7666337Bce ัaะบ, ะฒce ัaะบ...
>>7666335Because I really like it!
>>7666336Here is the deal. Talentedfags like Nihu or the 2weeks guy or that other fag have a "beginning" that lasts two weeks and then go on to make comms and shit.
Others like permabegschizo never leave the beginning.
Lets say that Nihu in two weeks of drawing (8 hours x 14 days = 112 hours) get better than permabegschizo's 5 years.
How does that make sense for someone to make more progress in 2 weeks than someone else in 5 years? He even posted a timestamp of Krita on Steam showing the two thousand and so hours that he had invested into Krita.
2000 hours of talentless being WORSE than the 100 and so hours of a very talented fag.
What is this stupid fucking delusional dream that anyone can draw? It hits me the fucking same as braindead white stacies thinking that any feral nigger can be a good citizen and that pitbulls wont kill their whole family.
Permabegschizo is the niggerpitbull of art and Nihu is the talented blue heeler who herds the rest of the retarded permabegniggercattle.
What even is your fucking deal here denying that some get lucky at birth and get talent to draw and make more gains in two weeks than some fags will make their whole livez
>>7666345Money doesnt buy talent.
>>7666348Cris. He is making a patreon scam.
>>7666337>Look at PawellPawell drew for one hour every three days and he got distracted by the internet whenever he tried drawing. Also, he doesn't enjoy drawing. Which is why he stopped.
>>7666336pyw nigger.
You are either a talented fag who doesnt know what it means to be untalented or a dirty permabeg who refuses to believe that talent exists and he doesnt have it
>>7666352Of course you love it because you're good at it, you don't draw ugly shit, don't confuse cause and effect
>>7666354Pawell drew every single day and he posted his full pages every single thread. He was still permabeg.
Then what does this mean? That some will be permabeg no matter how much they draw even if they are neets or that it is impossible to make it if you have a job?
Look at tablefag or Pewdipie or all the drawfags from here who went on to make it while being wageslaves.
https://minimumwagesketchbook.com
Time means NOTHING against talent.
>>7666318>the blur thing you did doesnt work for meDoes it look bad? I saw in a video of a pro artist adding it to his stuff after finishing, making a masking layer and erasing it softly along the edges. I thought it looked nice and wanted to add to my stuff as well.
>>7666353>>7666359i've seen you say the same thing for months now, so if only talent matters, why keep drawing? just stop
>>7666363makes it hard to see the thing you want to see and it doesnt add any depth
>>7666359>Pawell drew every single day and he posted his full pages every single threadNigger, you don't know what it was liek to share a server with the Polack. He'd start drawing and then post constantly throughout his session, going down conspiracy rabbitholes. His mind was elsewhere and so where his tabs. Every drawing session he complained about it being a chore
>>7666365I'll refrain from adding it on my next drawing, see what other anons think. Thanks for the criticism :)
>>7666353>>7666359Bce ัaะบ, ะธัc oะฒep...
>>7666364He wants revenge and he will only stop when everybody else here has stopped drawing.
Have you figured out the pattern yet? The ones that actually improve all like drawing itself and not some ideal version of drawing they might be able to do in the future
>>7666353He was drawing 12 hours a day, permabegschizo barely draws 1 hour a day WHEN he draws, i doubt he even likes drawing
It's not about the amount of time, it's about consistency, and this is for everything, running, bodybuilding, swimming, fighting, etc. not only drawing
>>7666357I'm flattered anon, but if I've gotten any better it has been because failing miserably hasnt stopped my enjoyment of the process, you get to fail a little less horribly with each new attempt
guys... just use ai to boost your skill level, its not that hard...
Normal person:
>"This drawing I made is not good because I did [thing] and [thing] wrong. I have now learned this lesson and I will make a much better next drawing!"
Schizo "talent is real!" permabegs:
>"This drawing is bd because I have no talent! I learned that I have no talent! I can't get better because I was destined to be bad!"
:^)
>>7666353>What even is your fucking deal here denying that some get lucky at birth and get talent to draw and make more gains in two weeks than some fags will make their whole livez I think it's because a lot of people in this thread drew the same way I did when I was 12 or so. It's about what you focus on learning; "just draw" is supposed to ingrain into artists the discipline of picking up the pencil. You have to focus on what you're learning in order to actually learn it. Otherwise, it'd be like spending 2,000 hours reading books in a language you don't understand.
>>7666356I'm not that talented. picrel is something I'm warming up on atm. I spent damn near 8 years drawing nothing but Kirby, a fucking sphere and dodging humans like there was no tomorrow. I know what it's like to be untalented, and I still am.
You people are so weirdly angry.
>>7666321oh man i like this
this thing is on its way to mog all other average rats
from what i gathered:
howie: someone who keeps lamenting he cant draw , gets all the advice, looks at it and still complains he cant draw
a rat i think is someone who can just draw really good
a crab is someone who gives out shit advice for the sake of keeping the person at the same level they are at or just dont want them to get better
>>7666373thats a good attitude to have, also freat tits in the left lowest panel
>>7666373No need to brag disgustingly, you like to draw because you draw well, your attempts and drawings are good, if they were the same crap as mine for a long time you would have quit
