/sex/ - Sexual art stylization thread - /ic/ (#7666669)

Anonymous
7/27/2025, 9:41:03 AM No.7666669
07-27-2025 001
07-27-2025 001
md5: a4fdfd624a2bd597f444907b66cb26ed๐Ÿ”
Previous thread >>7612244

Welcome to /sex/, your general thread dedicated to sexual artworks ranging from simple pinups with exaggerated proportions, to explicit pornography. Please feel free to pick your best works in progress, or finished work, and post it here.

>General Rules & Guidelines
1. All forms of art styles are welcome; submit your work and receive feedback from others.
2. Please resize your images below 1000x1000 pixels before posting.
3. Don't be afraid to ask for an honest, constructive critique. Be specific on the type of help you need.
4. Share whatever knowledge you can. Please provide references whenever possible.
5. Remember all GB3 related content such as LOLICON, SHOTACON, FURRY and FURRY PORNOGRAPHY along with BESTIALITY are BANNED on ALL boards, including red boardsโ€” except for /b/ and /trash/. PLEASE DO NOT post that content here. Thanks.
6. DO NOT reply to AI bait posts. Report and hide, then let the janitors and moderators deal with the problem.

>Community Resources
>>>/ic/courses
>>>/ic/artbook
characterdesignreferences.com/character-anatomy

>NSFW image resources
pornpics.com
female-anatomy-for-artist.com
Replies: >>7667096 >>7669272 >>7670554 >>7672938 >>7676576 >>7677218
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 9:42:05 AM No.7666670
07-27-2025 002
07-27-2025 002
md5: d16eac7db486b2d1229e257ddf4c7c7d๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 9:42:41 AM No.7666671
07-27-2025 003
07-27-2025 003
md5: d4124594255ec6b0d0e73cf75e0cf8aa๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 1:01:43 PM No.7666791
zdxfhazd
zdxfhazd
md5: d5d641892db12033340cee00e738e24e๐Ÿ”
good brush
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 7:36:04 PM No.7667096
>>7666669 (OP)
When's this general gonna change its name back to /salt/?
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 7:57:00 PM No.7667127
2025-04-23th_Artwork-012_001_NoText
2025-04-23th_Artwork-012_001_NoText
md5: ca1860d90fa7172180caea35671b92ae๐Ÿ”
Tablet: Wacom Intuos Pro M
Software: Sai2
Replies: >>7671361
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 8:01:42 PM No.7667134
witchrg
witchrg
md5: 9a78fd88f955e01a105d09370317274e๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
7/27/2025, 9:07:21 PM No.7667230
Itzel and Paige Cafe Nude
Itzel and Paige Cafe Nude
md5: a9c6764b0709c8745449962e284bab54๐Ÿ”
Replies: >>7673363
Anonymous
7/28/2025, 5:15:58 AM No.7667724
file
file
md5: 53a4a8d5f2a07809aa3a79efab31979f๐Ÿ”
Replies: >>7670198 >>7671132
Anonymous
7/29/2025, 8:07:00 AM No.7669272
1753206957644442
1753206957644442
md5: 2e2f1a499a200e5aa22862fdcb45165e๐Ÿ”
>>7666669 (OP)
give thoughts
Replies: >>7669333
Anonymous
7/29/2025, 10:31:46 AM No.7669333
ascvqw
ascvqw
md5: 902367e721d62b5db06ea25bd8ad6910๐Ÿ”
>>7669272

Great work!

Right now her arms are the first things my eyes see when I look at this piece. This ends up taking away focus from her tits, expression, thighs and tummy. Which imo are higher on the hierarchy of importance in nsfw art

Use the Elements of Design as a tool to convey importance

For the edit:

I made her ribcage, arms and general upper half of her body smaller, and made her thighs/legs bigger. Her tits might seem bigger, but they take up relatively the same amount of space on the canvas as they did in the original, they just have more focus now that her arms and ribcage are smaller and take up less canvas space.

Your colors are super readable and fun to look at reminds me of shads old stuff, keep up the good work
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 2:20:33 AM No.7670132
Angelica Amanda Food Slut
Angelica Amanda Food Slut
md5: 4111ad48e06aa676e5d6385d9c28080f๐Ÿ”
>>7632964
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:56:13 AM No.7670198
270725
270725
md5: 4a9af0d76eda874d4b9c6f8283c01a94๐Ÿ”
>>7667724
Replies: >>7670739
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:18:22 AM No.7670254
1
1
md5: 7f60f415bed5d78ff7f48e8ed5685933๐Ÿ”
Forgot I had this
mini dump of three images cause I have no where to post this porn anymore. I'm tired of "Its banned, oh, its not banned anymore, oh its banned again." bullshit going on.
Replies: >>7670255
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:19:08 AM No.7670255
2
2
md5: 97a6a84f57949c7d484dd120c0a76cb0๐Ÿ”
>>7670254
Replies: >>7670256
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 5:19:43 AM No.7670256
3
3
md5: 44c2b9cd8f3f054bb7c4b748ff632629๐Ÿ”
>>7670255
Thought I lost this one.
I'm not going to finish it though. I don't have the skills to do it justice.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:39:34 PM No.7670554
lady_6_alt_3
lady_6_alt_3
md5: 8f71994fe67931f2d7383c38fffc56a5๐Ÿ”
>>7666669 (OP)
Just starting out with NSFW art I'll post a few of mine
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:43:04 PM No.7670555
lady_9
lady_9
md5: a2765d5c03b6d152c2d7211860a5538d๐Ÿ”
I've noticed that over last month or so my style with this character has changed over time.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:45:10 PM No.7670557
couple_1_alt_2
couple_1_alt_2
md5: 8b2469964d756c3ff8dab8423eac7056๐Ÿ”
I wonder if other anons do character sheets to keep elements consistent.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 3:48:38 PM No.7670559
couple_3_alt
couple_3_alt
md5: bfacf8f5e49e1acb8dcc58cf4558cf38๐Ÿ”
At any rate, I'm trying to find my way with this new chapter of drawing, but surprisingly for me since I've started drawing NSFW I've been drawing almost daily.

It's funny how drawing a few boobies brought me back from a years long dry streak. Hopefully it will get me drawing again just in general.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 6:24:57 PM No.7670650
CLIPStudioPaint_7JeSlrZtTn
CLIPStudioPaint_7JeSlrZtTn
md5: 6e2956d9a3ac5556ecb297325fa33f94๐Ÿ”
thing I'm drawing for a friend that's not been feeling good.

is the layout good? I had to really fight to make everything fit the way I wanted.
Anonymous
7/30/2025, 8:11:42 PM No.7670739
milf[=
milf[=
md5: 7a6f5147c49049fac03f135752db47b1๐Ÿ”
>>7670198
this is really good
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 2:11:24 AM No.7671132
>>7667724
I can tell this is Miku by the head, but nothing below the neck looks anything like her. The super-thin waist and gargantuan lower body in particular look very unnatural.
Replies: >>7671140 >>7671289 >>7671363
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 2:20:48 AM No.7671140
>>7671132
I think you are in the wrong thread retard
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 3:35:03 AM No.7671203
20250502_091935
20250502_091935
md5: 9de0b078c8a6a0100c994f32c4395022๐Ÿ”
>>7671202
Replies: >>7671205
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 3:36:33 AM No.7671205
20250508_135244
20250508_135244
md5: 293cba6385b934697d105212d427d13f๐Ÿ”
>>7671203
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 5:12:26 AM No.7671289
file
file
md5: 3acd2bd4bba98eb0dad9ae14ce90994f๐Ÿ”
>>7671132
I dont understand what do you mean, this is clearly Miku
Replies: >>7671310
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 5:38:43 AM No.7671310
>>7671289
he wanted to say you should've drawn a child flat-chested miku, but he doesn't want to sound like a pedo who likes children.
magi !!vAZ5L9f9nTi
7/31/2025, 5:44:38 AM No.7671314
NARUTO 2025JUL29 boruko doodle 001
NARUTO 2025JUL29 boruko doodle 001
md5: 496c28ff8a2424f039b36e065497e0b0๐Ÿ”
looking good, everyone.
Replies: >>7672135
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 7:15:37 AM No.7671359
chz
chz
md5: 691494fccef0ee8632a18812a4dc8cfc๐Ÿ”
pin up of friends model
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 7:21:50 AM No.7671361
>>7667127
oo nice dynamic
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 7:24:35 AM No.7671363
>>7671132
Miku can literally be anything. That's the point. Your argument is similar to those twitter kids seething about Rabbit Hole cause "Miku is 16"
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 8:19:08 AM No.7671400
Tharja(NSFW)
Tharja(NSFW)
md5: 3001aa2ac9729a28d215a0a5360c5c1d๐Ÿ”
critique my work guys
Replies: >>7671405
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 8:23:20 AM No.7671405
>>7671400
baby forearms flat hands the boobs are balls you can exaggerate the gesture more
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 6:07:50 PM No.7671791
Drafting something for a friend's birthday. How bad is it coming along?
https://litter.catbox.moe/yop79i3rpo4cj8qw.jpg
Replies: >>7672036
Anonymous
7/31/2025, 11:42:12 PM No.7672036
>>7671791
404
Replies: >>7672382 >>7672383
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 12:52:02 AM No.7672101
f929ce67c5cecb71c97a92f774ca58ab
f929ce67c5cecb71c97a92f774ca58ab
md5: 7dc20d29ea36cf7ed7e59292a1288fdf๐Ÿ”
:3
Replies: >>7673375
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 1:32:26 AM No.7672135
>>7671314
blog?
Replies: >>7672952
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 5:37:17 AM No.7672306
runcyclecolour
runcyclecolour
md5: dd7f71218389b77c04d084d3867d8f38๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 6:37:44 AM No.7672358
DangaNTR 2
DangaNTR 2
md5: 2eafd91e8791e00537c26264b381aaec๐Ÿ”
Replies: >>7672406
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:21:09 AM No.7672382
>>7672036
I am still working on it but I think I hit a deadend. No face cuz cant draw faces.
Replies: >>7672387
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:22:10 AM No.7672383
>>7672036
I am still working on it but I think I hit a deadend. No face cuz cant draw faces.
https://litter.catbox.moe/s3swla8cgirpzutn.jpg
Replies: >>7672397 >>7672444
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:39:12 AM No.7672387
>>7672382
>No face cuz cant draw faces.
face your problems!
Replies: >>7672397
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 7:56:09 AM No.7672397
>>7672383
>>7672387
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 8:13:18 AM No.7672406
ezgif.com-optimize_21
ezgif.com-optimize_21
md5: ee8f5b61a85f3c00fd7d0bd97805d4a2๐Ÿ”
>>7672358
Mate, can't see your stuff in Twitter anymore after the "local laws" bullshit. You got other gallery site?
Replies: >>7672413 >>7672446
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 8:21:43 AM No.7672413
DangaNTR 3
DangaNTR 3
md5: ce76f181331580262b410082f1832097๐Ÿ”
>>7672406
i also post my finished stuff to Rule 34, Bluesky, and ExHentai
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 10:20:16 AM No.7672444
>>7672383
404 again.
Man the fuck up and stop deleting your content before people can see it.
Either that, or stop wasting everyone's time, you fucking pussy.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 10:21:38 AM No.7672446
>>7672406
>can't see your stuff in Twitter anymore
I'd call that a win.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 11:36:37 AM No.7672478
Anyone have good tutorials on fat / chubby girls? Been looking around but can't find anything.
Replies: >>7672503
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 12:35:46 PM No.7672503
>>7672478
type "plus size bikini" into google and draw those
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 4:00:12 PM No.7672606
1739721272161955
1739721272161955
md5: 99f1a468856cc151e18c6571fc168066๐Ÿ”
I'm not sure if I drew the skirt here correctly, any feedback?
Replies: >>7672613 >>7672619
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 4:14:33 PM No.7672613
>>7672606
Her torso doesn't look right desu.
Replies: >>7672615
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 4:17:16 PM No.7672615
>>7672613
How so?
Replies: >>7672874
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 4:22:57 PM No.7672619
>>7672606
>side sex
Best position IMHO.
>skirt
I feel like there should be more bunching up of the skirt near her elbow. The clothing would be bunched up there and there should be more folds there. Otherwise, it's technically passable if push came to shove and all you were focused on was getting your rocks off. I like her eyes, btw.
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 9:35:55 PM No.7672874
>>7672615
nta but it's way too long
Anonymous
8/1/2025, 10:26:19 PM No.7672938
moloch
moloch
md5: abeb79e2e08b2c38bd80cca8ed712c2f๐Ÿ”
>>7666669 (OP)
Thanks for including me
Replies: >>7673382 >>7674594
magi !!vAZ5L9f9nTi
8/1/2025, 10:44:54 PM No.7672952
NARUTO 2025JUL31 NARUKO DOODLE 02
NARUTO 2025JUL31 NARUKO DOODLE 02
md5: 1df3c1ba2623d714e4f80121f6d12ecd๐Ÿ”
this one is not working, I give up.
>>7672135
@ac120rfw
Replies: >>7673155
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 3:04:14 AM No.7673155
>>7672952
the heads are a bit awkward but a good pose overall, especially the spooning hands on the left. the raised pinky on the right makes me think it should be a nipple pinch like the OK sign
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 4:36:21 AM No.7673235
is there a gravure or cosplay booru to get reference from?
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:49:22 AM No.7673363
>>7667230
Really like your style anon
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:58:07 AM No.7673375
Purple Heart Commission
Purple Heart Commission
md5: cb788f668c6ff7294024ec6fe5148839๐Ÿ”
>>7672101
Ugh i didnt like how the facial expression ended
Replies: >>7673501
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 8:07:17 AM No.7673382
>>7672938
Sexy blonde!
Replies: >>7674595
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:53:01 AM No.7673501
>>7673375
damn. blog?
Replies: >>7673528 >>7673951
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 12:46:40 PM No.7673528
>>7673501
hrgiger.com
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:12:12 PM No.7673548
Old work, but still one of my personal favorites
Replies: >>7673551
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 2:13:20 PM No.7673551
Elves
Elves
md5: daa954d4a1193034ad759d77c1bb3db5๐Ÿ”
>>7673548
>I'm a stupid fuck, I forgot to post it.
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 7:10:32 PM No.7673798
Sudden Clown and Jester Mating Final 4chud
Sudden Clown and Jester Mating Final 4chud
md5: 7002cd7bc05e28ed9aef433ae80a7b54๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:36:57 PM No.7673943
0_succubus_0rc
0_succubus_0rc
md5: a2a8b2b6392a95b29f0faceb5bf74798๐Ÿ”
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 9:45:40 PM No.7673951
>>7673501
Kyoya__99 on twitter
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:24:21 PM No.7673984
momo
momo
md5: 13cf008d5b786e0bef4a2620b9e4aade๐Ÿ”
Today's doodle. I can't even finish a work, because I get bored and just start a new sketch.
Replies: >>7674013
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 10:48:39 PM No.7674013
>>7673984
It's totally fine, as long as you keep this as your hobby and have fun with it. If you are striving for anything more serious, then tough luck. Good work ethic is paramount.
Replies: >>7674054
Anonymous
8/2/2025, 11:44:47 PM No.7674054
>>7674013
>for anything more serious
Like what? A miserable job?
>as long as you keep this as your hobby and have fun with it
So, when it's not a hobby there's no fun anymore?
>Good work ethic
I overthink too much.
Replies: >>7674085 >>7674085
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 12:31:16 AM No.7674085
>>7674054
>Like what? A miserable job?
Projection? I work as an artist and I'm not miserable at all. Why so bitter?

>>7674054
>So, when it's not a hobby there's no fun anymore?
Why do you say that? The emphasis was on having fun. Serious business and having fun aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Replies: >>7674113
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 12:52:22 AM No.7674113
>>7674085
>I work as an artist and I'm not miserable at all.
I know professional artists who don't like their job, they work for money. At first they liked to draw, but now they don't even like their favorite artists, they are bored of it.
>Serious business and having fun
Sounds sadomasochistic.
Replies: >>7674138
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 1:11:59 AM No.7674138
>>7674113
We both have narrowminded takes, with the difference that I'm experiencing this 1st hand. Tough luck.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 6:49:07 AM No.7674408
file
file
md5: f249843fe59e2aac9288e204710faf40๐Ÿ”
render wip
Replies: >>7674556 >>7674581 >>7675068
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 1:26:17 PM No.7674556
>>7674408
Nice job on the latex jacket.
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 2:50:12 PM No.7674581
>>7674408
Good job. Try to improve your line weight by making it more conistent. Look at the thickness of the outine of her face, compared to other body parts. It's inconsistent.
Replies: >>7674655
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 3:05:19 PM No.7674594
>>7672938
Goes insanely hard
Replies: >>7674595
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 3:07:43 PM No.7674595
>>7673382
>>7674594
Congratulatiuons for being dickbrains.
Replies: >>7675198
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 4:48:26 PM No.7674655
>>7674581
eh looks like a stylization to me i've seen other artists do this
Replies: >>7675067
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 9:39:53 PM No.7675067
>>7674655
>muh style argument
shut up
Replies: >>7675244
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 9:43:25 PM No.7675068
>>7674408
Needs bigger breasts.
Replies: >>7675348 >>7675348
Anonymous
8/3/2025, 11:34:44 PM No.7675198
>>7674595
>the porn thread proselytizer
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 12:05:35 AM No.7675244
>>7675067
This retard right here is why we need to change the thread name back to /salt/
Replies: >>7675631
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 1:53:53 AM No.7675348
file
file
md5: 0ce945e3ef8ca47c176decc68088b327๐Ÿ”
>>7675068
I will consider it but make no promises

>>7675068
no, its perfectly balanced.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 5:08:51 AM No.7675588
osaka-do-it-for-her
osaka-do-it-for-her
md5: fda23124c6ae7433da6258fe3d35fcf5๐Ÿ”
more progress any thoughts?
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 5:37:37 AM No.7675631
>>7675244
inconsistent badly done line-weight is a legit critic.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 7:26:51 AM No.7675734
flashingladyrez
flashingladyrez
md5: 68b42d81e1bf87f04d72180c039e86b8๐Ÿ”
Replies: >>7675875
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 11:21:22 AM No.7675875
>>7675734
4chan needs to start chcking people's IDs too.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 4:07:07 PM No.7676045
advice for pose searching? I hate sifting through porn for hours. I want to know if thereโ€™s any way to speed this up.
Replies: >>7676096 >>7676096
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 4:58:42 PM No.7676096
>>7676045
>>7676045
>any way to speed this up.
steal from other artists
Replies: >>7676425
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 8:52:44 PM No.7676425
SPOILER_0c859d0c89d6344a7a48bb50e45bffa45cd0b6bb2b4aa63a6898e3f9b190d898
>>7676096
i would love to steal this pose, but itโ€™s so unique, it would obviously be spotted and iโ€™ve seen so many people here getting called out for copying other artistโ€™s poses and being called fake.
Replies: >>7676469 >>7677179
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:36:25 PM No.7676469
>>7676425
>itโ€™s so unique
Lol, cmon dude.
Also, you can change the pov to make it more interesting and dynamic.
Replies: >>7676472
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 9:37:01 PM No.7676472
>>7676469
actually good idea. Thanks
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:12:59 PM No.7676530
d053 b01
d053 b01
md5: 9116dd5d6e29871f40bb45449dbd715b๐Ÿ”
Finally tried my hand at drawing guys, didn't turn out too bad, hopefully I learned something.
Now to try and play the twitter algorithm game....
Replies: >>7676542 >>7676579 >>7677180
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:25:07 PM No.7676542
>>7676530
unironically wanna know your twitter account. this is super good.
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:53:46 PM No.7676576
43554545351345
43554545351345
md5: f3df73ef8b7e12b62d1787c0a5a10bb8๐Ÿ”
>>7666669 (OP)
Is this still the best way to make money as an amateur illustrative artist these days?
Replies: >>7676597
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 10:54:47 PM No.7676579
>>7676530
i bet ur clitty leak a lot while drawing this too
Anonymous
8/4/2025, 11:00:48 PM No.7676597
>>7676576
It's the only way
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:31:47 AM No.7677129
file
file
md5: 1e417cfd769fe1c237a0ccac554120a9๐Ÿ”
I will get some sleep and see later if I like the colors enough, other than that im done.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:34:37 AM No.7677179
>>7676425
I think you just gotta use 3D models at that point, no shame in it, it's what pros do, just don't trace
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 6:35:38 AM No.7677180
>>7676530
Are you familiar with tenseiani's stuff at all?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:27:00 AM No.7677218
ghostubuster
ghostubuster
md5: 024d1bedcbba4923decd65efeb6b5a1b๐Ÿ”
>>7666669 (OP)
Guess this is kind of sexual.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 8:00:07 AM No.7677231
stripper
stripper
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:50:42 AM No.7677282
>>7677231
This is really good. I don't get why you added the stool though. I would get rid of it and just have her laying on the ground. It makes the pose unnecessarily uncomfortable imo. Or was that the idea?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:39:43 AM No.7677294
>>7677282
thank you. I used a photo as a reference and stayed too close to it. I think you are right and I should get rid of the stool and redraw her legs as not to appear propped up on something.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 3:08:05 PM No.7677433
I don't wanna pay for the female anatomy pics. Anyone have a link to them?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 4:38:50 PM No.7677516
1728592737194770
1728592737194770
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This angle/twist is giving me a hard time . specifically where the torse meets the hips. She will be on a bed by the way
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:10:04 PM No.7677548
elly and her boss daddy
elly and her boss daddy
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workin on something fun for myself. some office OC's having fun on the table still a wip