the ''too many monkeys '' edition
If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!
>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view
>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com
>PYW and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.
>Cool teachersGlenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi
>Cool booksKeys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
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>>7670664 (Cross-thread)
>>7673197 (OP)I came back to drawing after weeks and my art skill is garbage, I need help with fundies.
remember to take breaks! also, audiobooks are a godsent for doodling and training! it'll never be boring for my stupid brain! if you need one off the cuff, this one will keep you busy: https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/208886186/#208886186
>>7673215Clean up your line art
>>7673215listen up. draw something from reference. then draw it from memory right after. repeat ad naseum with many poses and things. your brain will remember eventually, especially if youre still young. dont rush things, take your time to get it right.
>>7673219i hate every ape i see, from chimpan-a to chimpan-z~
>>7673220thanksies :3
>>7673223heheheh
quick little doodle before sleep
still a bit of a migraine day sadly
woop posted in dead thred
shimapanzee
maybe I'll draw it tomorrow if I remember
Trying a new brush. Too high to keep going
>>7673232How long have you been grinding hands?
Barely recognizable due to my turbobeg status but here is possibly the first Sedona Bleu x Theo Fumis sketch ever made
I donโt want to waste time being a /beg/ piece of shit which books should I read so that I skip to /int/?
>>7673197 (OP)redline fag here, who needs help? You get some, she get some, he get some, all be graded and redline!
>>7673270Stop fucking judging me! faggot cats!
i think the eyes are a little out of line and the mouth came out short on one side, but the mouth is easily extendable. i'm flushed for today though. anything else that stands out?
>>7673259be aware you are dealing with a skill with an important motor component, anon.
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>>7673278>learn to draw shape, cylinder 20 times>learn to draw eyes, 30 times>learn to draw hair as many timesPractice drawing shape first, start with cylinders.
Took a day off because of lack of sleep and migraines, slightly better now.
Didn't have much time today.
>>7673285What's the challenge? Nofap?
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>>7673285No, this is now King of Pop Challenge.
>>7673289Just draw the rest of the fucking owl.
>>7673285Be careful, at the rate that swimsuit/nude girls are being used as thread challenges, the world might run out of them within our lifetime!
How about we preserve some for future generations, and use pic related for this thread's challenge instead?
>>7673289You redlined nothing.
that shoulder is fucked
is downsizing images before posting better or worse?
>>7673308this is great shadow training material. thanks anon, i'll do this tomorrow in a smaller manner
>>7673310just angle the upper arm more and make the shoulder smol(er)/rounder and it should improve. what do you mean resizing? after scanning it? the size you have now is fine for the thread i reckon
>>7673289>hehe who needs help>me>just do it
>>7673315I was posting at full resolution previously
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I drew something :)
>>7673317oh yeah, thats a tad bit large. i do resize everything i post eitherway, so good call.
>>7673289>>7673278This isnt even the final one and that redline is useless. Although I understand not wanting to redline something so mediocre.
How important is it to draw with the elbow if I have a small tablet? Can't I just zoom out?
>>7673326It's important so you don't fuck up your hand from repetitive strain
>>7673327That's fair. Tendinitis is a bitch.
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I'm so proud of begschizo!!!
NEVER KILL YOURSELF!!!!
>>7670928Page 16
>>7670936Thank you monkeebro lol
>>7671076Deerbro? THANK YOU!!!
>>7672480"Appealbro", you're amazing! It's scary to think how much power can you unleash with this stylish style of yours, set this place on fire, just do it.
>>7672643>comics guy I think uses a huge screenless tabletAre you referring to "me" perhaps?
I'm using a middle size screenless tablet. I think a big sized tablet can be cumbersome, and a small tablet just unusable. A middle size is the perfect one to have. And I use screenless because it's convenient to toggle between several screens do other stuff, and come back to drawing at any moment.
>>7673287You're right about the eyes, but the piece is a success just for the fact that it is clearly recognizable. You should do it again, several times. Just rough sketches.
>>7673291This is so good
>>7673318Absolutely adorable and wholesome.
>>7673310I don't think is the shoulder, but the neck+head alignment with the shoulder area.
Downsizing the images is good practice when posting here. It is bothersome, but it is polite.
Why do permabegschizo and perilfag have beef?
>>7673334>>7673319thanks anons. I think both of you are right, but both issues are hard to fix with paper and pencil. I drew the head too small initially, and when I redrew it I think it shifted left too far.
>>7673331Russian or Mexican?
>>7673306>>7673309>>7673316>>7673323redline fag already drawn the correct shapes. What more do you faggot wants?
>>7673334is this what they called rape-rom-com? A bit degenerate don't you think?
>>7673349blueline is paywalled, it is for paid customers only, you get shitty marker redline grading.
SAVE ME RUSSIANBRO. WHERE ARE YOU RUSSIANBRO?
YOU ALWAYS CORRECTED MY WORK AND EVEN THOUGH I AM TOO RETARDED TO LEARN I LOVED WHAT YOU DID.
CYKA BLYAT
Does this look cute or uncanny? this is one of my better painting attempts. When I try painting animu, it sometimes looks creepy. this piece is just a study, so she is staring into space.
>>7673358also, I usually do the normal "line-art into colouring into shading" and they are usually do better on Twitter which isa bit discourging since i love painting...
I like the idea of a perspective like this, but the proportions of the arms, missing forehead makes me wanna kms
>>7673360I can't, she will smell my smelly ass...
>>7673361here's a portrait of a friend of mine
>>7673365why friend and not gf?
>>7673368dont wanna get into relationships when I feel pathetic and miserable about myself almost all the time, feels like im not worth being loved ;) BUT HOPEFULLY ONE DAY
>>7673285eh...too similar to another one I did some days ago...
>>7673358eye and placement doesn't look quite right relative to the ear to me but I don't think I could do better either
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My art has looked the same for the past five years. I don't know where to begin for improvement.
How do I quit being a perma/beg/ and make something aesthetically pleasing?
Shitty water color I did, I tried making stamps from erasers and used it for the border
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>>7673350SEX is degenerate by nature. The goal is to enter, to impose, to subdue, that's the nature of sex in the animal realm. And women are in charge to set the limits on that "natural rape" dynamic in our species. That's a thing, and it is interesting
But I'm more interested in the sadomasochism imposed by People in power, like religious, political and corporation leaders, they hate sex because it goes again their dehumanizing tools. For them an slave, an asset, a beast for labor, shouldn't have a sexual life, because "human cattle" shouldn't be seen as something to be loved, they need to de-sex society. You can't throw bombs on a population full of beautiful creatures you can fall in love with. You can't whip to death a human being that can be seen as a sexual desirable partner. And yet, humans are forced to do all of those horrible things towards their loved ones, through out history, how?
I'm interested in that brutal and intense dichotomy. It's nothing new, it's a common genre, like those novels from the 19th century of irish ladies exiled into slavery to the american colony as punishment for petty crimes, that evolved into cavalry tales like King Arthur or Ivanhoe, then in crime noir, then in 50shades, and slasher films, and so on. It was always there, because sex naturally works like that, it's tragic, it's dramatic, it's intense, it is about life and death.
I'm just still hooked in Gene Wolfe's book, lol. Thecla wanted to choose how to be tortured and it was denied to her. That book is a cesspit of degeneration but no one cancelled Gene Wolfe, no one cancelled Harlan Ellison, Stephen Donaldson, George Bataille, etc because people reckon what the nature of "SEX" implies.
The first "romantic novel" was a tragic tale, a man ordered to execute a beautiful woman he found out he suddenly loved. That's a real love story. The rest is all boring.
>>7673338Hey, I have no beef with permabegschizo, he's the voice of the people!
>>7673278Nice Challenge!
>>7673398have you tried doing any other styles? are you going to art school or no? have you tried doing any courses that might interest you like storyboarding/learning anatomy/etc? I feel like there's plenty of room for improvement in this sense. I think by changing your style you can try different proportions of the character that might lead you to learn how the body looks in more exaggereted ways? Maybe try caricature?
>>7673398if you dont know where to start just try picking up ANY course at this point, doing anything is better than nothing. please post more of your work
>>7673398you need a clear goal to work towards. if you have a clear vision of what you want to make, then you can tell what is lacking. put your art side by side to the type of art you want to make and see how it stacks up. study the stuff that's wrong and apply it your pieces. that pic is a bit sloppy, the right shoulder for example is unfinished, hinting that your process is sloppy too. break the process down into clear stages so errors like that don't happen. you're probably going too fast. polish a piece to the best of your ability to test your true skills. you might be surprised with the result if you put 100% effort into a piece.
>>7673408>have you tried doing any other styles?Once, last year.
>are you going to art school or no?Nope.
>have you tried doing any courses that might interest you like storyboarding/learning anatomy/etc? I've tried doing a course before but felt like I learned nothing. But maybe focusing on exaggeration and caricatures will be the next thing, instead of continuing to draw oddly realistic anime girls.
>>7673415I'll try courses, thanks. I close out of krita before I get the chance to save anything so I don't have anything worthwhile to show, gomen.
>>7673417What do you mean by clear stages?
And I'll try my best. I have a good idea for a drawing I've been wanting to make for awhile but never cared much to make it.
>>7673418It doesn't....
I find it pretty hard to maintain a flow for art without getting tunnel vision and making it look like shit as a result. I think I've accepted I will never be Japanese and thus will never make the anime art that I crave. My genes dictate that I will follow courses and make cartoon-y stuff from now on.
>>7673430I am just starting out myself, so I probably have more motivation since it's only the beginning. Here's my recent process of trying to study anatomy and this course is already mogging me. Using notes app/writing like in school is the key at least for me. I feel like this approach is probably the best for me, not sure if you are gonna get the same hype as myself
>>7673405That's really good anon, I'd easily buy it as a valentine's card or something.
>>7673435here's my progress thro the first day without prior knowledge of drawing. Basically started with 0 understanding about the skull shape, no loomis/etc, no technics on how to draw, what the face proportions are - just trying to copy manga I've been reading for the past few days.
And the second picture is, yet again, a friend of mine after I bingewatched like 5-6 hours of youtube tutorials of what the human skull/proportions look like and it felt gratifying to see such immense progress in a single day, not even.
I understand how it might feel drawing for a couple of years and feeling stagnation and your own art becoming stale at some point, but this would be the sign to start learning something new for me. Try maybe animal anatomy, fuck it, just for the sake of it. Even if you are not interested in drawing animals, it's always better to try something out rather than being in this cycle of not wanting to draw because you feel like it's not giving you satisfaction like it used to.
>>7673430>What do you mean by clear stages?Like a sketching stage, refining the sketch stage, lineart stage, flat colors stage, blocking in the shadow stage, detailing stage etc. The specifics would depend on your style and workflow. At each stage you need to check for errors, take quick break so you can come back and look at it with fresh eyes. It's easier when you break it down into stages so you have a very specific goal to work on at each stage and you don't get bogged down by stuff the comes later on, like trying to draw details when the proportions are still off. You can diagnose problems easier and focus on training something the comes up during a specific stage. Maybe your lineart sucks, but that's because your sketch is too messy, so then you spend more time refining the sketch before moving onto the lineart stage. Your workflow and process is something the develops over time so it's normal for it to be a bit all over the place, especially if you studied from different courses and styles. Hopefully now after drawing for a while you now know what you like and don't like so you have clear vision for what it's meant to look like at each stage.
>>7673442but that's just probably how I am. I hate the feeling of being unsatisfied with myself to the point I am trying to get better at ANYTHING in life probably to prove that I am worth something.
you could also just download some artbooks and look through them and try and copy whatever the style is. I know you might feel frustrated that it might not look like the original drawing, but that's the point where you should ask yourself if you want to get to that point where it looks exactly like the original art and maybe expand adding your own bit of spice.
>>7673365this is the same girl with same reference I had in my mind, but this style is my own, more realistic I would say
I hope my larping could give you some motivation to continue your studies in art, get better and finally feel satisfied with your own work again
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>>7673358Her features are too far apart and her face is way too long. She literally has a rectangle as a face.
It can be difficult to give her a nose even when anime styles completely ignore them but you can add a tiny shadow to imply it being there.
Her eyes are also not looking to the same place. I tried making HER right eye longer to the left and gave her more sclera but I think now I made the eye bigger than the toher one.
MOGS ME.
>>7673442>those copies at 0 hours and then the very talented friend.DEATHMOGS ME. NOW I AM A ROPEMAXXXING PERMABEGCEL.
>>7673352You DIDNT DO SHIT.
I WANT IT REDLINED.
I WANT SOMEONE TO SHOW ME HOW EASILY THEY CAN MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
I HAVE BECOME MOG.
>>7673445NOOOO DON'T, your art is really good, imo the ear is a bit too far out and a bit too low for my liking making, but that's just me.
Adding more contrast in shading on the face could give this image more "BANG" effect as I like to say.
The issue I have is I never know where the source light is, so by looking at your work it seems to be somewhere up above, so giving more shade under the nose or even to the side would benefit it, imo
>>7673448Brother that isnt my work. I just wanted to correct anon's work even if I DISRESPECTDE HIM WITH MY SHITTY TRASH.
>>7673442Also anon, remember - art is never easy when you start drawing/photographing/filming, etc, bruh I guess every aspect of life like that is. There's so much information you're going to consume and process after that it might feel like you're drowning.
Like
>>7673443 said, try to understand what your workflow looks like from start to finish, try to spot any mistakes you make, ask opinions on forums, research.
Never begin to doubt your own worth, find a hater that's gonna hate your work so much for it being so shit that you just might want to improve out of spite.
This might take a lot of time and struggle, but I believe in you, anon, you've got this!
>>7673450oh shit, my bad ;D
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>>7673406Rape is an biological evolutionary strategy. But not for females, not for humans anymore. With abortions, state laws and the illusion of rights, rape is no longer worth the effort. Or at the very least, the cost now outweighs the reward. Your fantasy is rooted in biology. It could become reality again, if women simply gave up their rights. You are wrong about why the ones in power act so prudish. It's not about morality or farming. It's history, and most people never learn from history. At the end of every empire, men and women become confused about sex. Women turn promiscuous, hypersexual, they demand more power, throw gold at degenerates, fund debauchery and coom, and eventually, they even start arguing over the nature of sex itself. Gender war, gender parity, feminism, mere symptoms of the power hungry woman. In the final days of Byzantine empire, they argued over the sex of angels in the bible, right before the Islamic caliphate came and beheaded them, before they fall to the rule of the Ottoman empire. Women lack discipline at the end times, but I blame the men, the weak men in power. Every time the world collapses, a new patriarchy rises from the ashes and overcorrects. They put women back in their rightful place. That's the cycle and we're almost there again.
The idea of leaving the sketch behind with perhaps a bit less luminosity and cleaned is tempting, but a crutch if I ever want the lineart to stand beautifully by itself a la Ludwig Richer or Kamome Shirahama
>>7673445Thank you based anon. Also the nose thing really made it 5 times better
>>7673358Adding more contrast in shading on the face could give this image more "BANG" effect as I like to say.
The issue I have is I never know where the source light is, so by looking at your work it seems to be somewhere up above, so giving more shade under the nose or even to the side would benefit it, imo
posting it again since I fucked up who the op was
>>7673469desu, I was trying to emulate those low contrast comfy art (not sure if I know the style), but yeah, you're definitely right. Although my previous pieces are much worse, and I watched a sinix video about the "two value distillation" did some exercises and did the animu painting, and I felt it unlocked something, but I need more research.
>permabegschizo is now "redlining" people
you cant make this shit up.
>>7673334>Absolutely adorable and wholesomeThank you~ ^^
>>7673471would you like to share your previous works?
Nice timing since, I am actually watching Ryan Lang's course for Light and Color and this is basically what sinix has in his video?
From the 1st week study he is introducing different value structures and says that HIGH CONTRAST(only 2 values) is mainly used to boost intensity in the artwork and/or creating a tense moment in the scene?
Trying to limit your values to basically 2 high contrast and building from that is really hard, for me at least.
I removed hue from your image and there're 6 main values I can find and generally it's good, but maybe trying to go for 5-4 or even less is gonna be a good study as well.
Basing just by values it's good imo
In this drawing
>>7673365 what I did is basically trying to limit my values to only 4 which are
1. Highlights
2. Base color
3. Shadow base
4. Darker Shadow
But there're probably more than 4 since I havent checked it after finishing :D
drew this, now im going to sleep goodnight anons
>>7673478Yeah, i was definitely thinking about limiting my values when I was doing the painting, guess I will study more.
>would you like to share your previous works?I don't paint a lot,I usually do the normal line-art into shading, these are from a couple of months ago, what happened is that I watched some good artists paint on top of a sketch, then I go and try that and it ends up completely fucked.
These were my best attempts until I gave up, maybe like 2 or 3 months ago. (Although I should mention, I kinda can draw okay, so I'm not a total beginner at painting), ofc when I paint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNQpd1W4sgY
It hurts being permabeg....
>>7673489Emilia is looking gooooood, nice job!
Also WLOP is a great example, most defnitely heard of him or seen his speedpaints.
First he paints with values and then he colors on top of it using curves. I guess this is one way to put accent to think of painting with values since it will likely feel more organic(?) and not just colors you may pick randomly, which could result in blownout values at the end
>>7673485Nice, goodnight anon
>>7673489>nice job!Although looking at her eyes, the left one is looking slightly other way which makes her "uncanny"
>>7673499Also, smaller pupils make her look "crazy" unless that's what you were going for
>>7673490Mogs anything I've seen in the last week
>Psychopath gaslighting clearly pro artist as permabeg
Not realizing
I dont have anywhere to post this WIP so ill post it here i guess. I swear people who can really render use fucking black magic. its real voodoo shit ill tell you what
>>7673517Alt I made on accident when fucking around with the black hue layer
>>7673406I think the idea of sex as a natural concept being inherently degenerate is a contradiction, but I'm with you on most other things. Humans pervert things with their intellect, it's interesting.
The exaggerated way you draw bodies is degenerate, but the themes in your work do tend to err towards romantic.
>>7673465Rape is just greed and lack of restraint, that's all it's ever been.
>>7673230oh yeahh we can have sex :3
>>7673490Based Sword and Sorcery fan
>>7673529>rape is biological evolutionary mechanism >lion keeps harem of females>loser lion rapes female>pass on genes>create diversity Even if rape is successful for man, abortion very likely to happen, prevents diversity, defeats evolutionary mechanism. Human choice is powerful.
>>7673465why is this post (the text not the art, although the art is nice as well) so hot? what is wrong with you, why is what you post so hot
new fetish unlocked
>>7673490Makes me want to roll some dice.
>>7673559It's pretty cool, though it's a bit hard to tell what's going on with the environment.
27 days in.
I think my hair, heads and faces are improving slightly.
>>7673559yes
reminds me of the revolver album cover
when people say talent, dont they mean intelligence? same with lets say sports. its ypur body and frame that are important? depending on the sport, ypur constitution is import. sumos are fat, basketball players are large, foosball players are quick and slender etc. the rest is just hard work
>>7673559evocative, like a childrens fairy tale
>>7673575your mind is many times more flexible than your body. plenty of people probably have small or large mental advantages, but we can't really know of them with certainty for now so it doesn't matter. besides, drawing is far removed from any tasks our brains were naturally meant to solve which further reduces the relevancy of variation. some people are born with better typing hands than others but it's not something that natural selection has optimized for at any moment and thus the extent of discernible natural differences is mostly "do you have hands"
>>7673575Talent is your natural aptitude for a certain test, intelligence of course is useful for someone who is otherwise untalented because it allows you to identify mistakes and ways to avoid them, but conceptually at least is different from talent (which by the way exists in art and in pretty much any activity as well, some of us have to work harder than people with that natural aptitude).
>>7673584>>7673582very insightful, thanks /beg/gar bros
>>7673575my #1 theory that keeps on being proven by statistic is that how good you are at drawing on a base level comes from how many first-person shooters you play and that's why women take longer to get good at art even if they end up better in the end
>>7673589lol. i mean. logically, despite your jocular intent, those fps kiddies, and i used to be one of them till i recognized how futile and stupid it was, those take a lot of attention and focus, which is very important for art, no? like when we joke how all the adhd and adderall kiddies just top the ranks no problem next to the cheaters. i dont use drugs besides coffee and sugar, but i could see them enhacing the process enormously, especially in the motivation department, but i'm digressing.
if these shooter kiddies werent wasting their efforts on something so stupid, they could do great things. a shame really, but its not like anyone is.... holding a gun to their head! hah!
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Struggling with hair right now
How could this be improved?
>>7673563Made i did a bit too much detail for the background
>>7673565I like the Beatles and the artist who did the cover
>>7673576Thanks I was kinda going for that along with a Carl barks duck kind of thing
>>7673465I wish Peril would put me in my rightful place..
need perils milkers uoooohhh...
>>7673589>they end up better in the endSource?
>>7673600need peril to be my daddy bf
morning doodle
messed up leg perspective or pant length idk
I do think this is a good look for one of the pilots, slowly settling on how they look which is nice
>>7673592Hair has volume. Put some room between the height of the hair and the skull. Hair also has shape. Each lock or even large hair section should be its own shape that starts at a part and ends somewhere.
Dr. Pavel is now writing a comic strip? The massive quoting gives him away I think.
What do you guys think about this lineart now that I've finally got it done?
>>7673608no that's peril, different guy
>>7673575There are people with good visual imagery; they can easily rotate objects, imagine how things interlock, and have fantastic motor-mental coordination. Despite this, they are poor at mathematical spatial reasoning. For example, they wouldnโt be able to create numerical grids, transform planes under structured rules, or conceptualize revolving vectors. We loosely categorize all domains of mental imagery as โspatial,โ but there are very different methods of how people analyze objects in their minds. Itโs not intelligence; find the right way to learn that adapts to how you think. Kim Jung Gi has a genuine intuitive talent for visual imagery, but there are many artists who thrive under stricter โrules.โ
>>7673610>>7673608You don't get to bring friends.
>>7673611so its just a manner of experimenting what works for oneself the best, huh? its hard for me to imagine things on the spot, but if an image pops in, its strong. everything else needs to be learned and memorized and i also reference a lot. i did this arnie a few weeks back, obviously its the scene from total recall which i redraw and i put my own headphones on him, but it was easier because i had stuff to look at personally.
>>7673609It looks like an 8 year old drew it to be honest. Hopefully you haven't been drawing for very long.
>>7673629I worked two weeks on this. Give me actual advice or leave my thread.
>>7673609Simply put not good. You should have corrected the inconsistent line weights as you were going along. And before trying something in general you should at least look up a video or tutorial to familiarize yourself first.
>>7673630My advice is give up
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>>7673646Jagged inner pant leg looks weird.
I love making new ocs, Iโve made hundreds that i only draw once and obsess over in my head
>>7673398She's got crazy traps
>>7673625Yes, it really does come from years of experimentation and practice. What youโre referring to is a visual library - your ability to โpullโ things from your mind, after numerous times by redrawing/visualizing it. And Iโm not even talking about the object itself, but how the lines feel, the patterns you associate (I.e. short lines means foreshortening, long lines mean pulling back), and all the other small impressions that occur when you think about how to depict something. If you have a particular image that was striking, itโs most likely because something about it was very interesting in its shape language, lighting, angle, etc. that made recalling it easier. Or, the image connected you from an emotional sense like your mood or preferences. In short, reliance on references is fundamental for imprinting. Regardless of how good your mental imagery is, you literally cannot draw something that you do not remember. However, if you feel like you rely too much on references, there is no other solution than to push through and draw purely on imagination even if your image recall is crap. You can only fix something that exists.
For what itโs worth, you might be better than you think if you work on it. Most people donโt push themselves, so they never really know. Iโd recommend you to try to just create forms and manipulate them without any guidance.
>>7673675>Iโd recommend you to try to just create forms and manipulate them without any guidance.alright. so far i drew stuff from reference and then tried to draw it again from memory with varying results, but usually it comes out pretty good as long as its fresh. even doing it again next day is okay. thanks for the insight, really helps a lot.
>>7673683these videos might also help explain the mindset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s121fTD7G4M&list=PLpP59nYr7-apUQ0rZoAZ0bGjxscg8crBn
>>7673644what's the full book?
>>7673285Nah, dogshit flat lighting and disgusting body.
>>7673691>disgusting body
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Drawing hands is fucking impossible man.
>>7673405Actually dope, gj
>>7673699Watch Sailor Moon and copy the hands
>>7673685thats a cool series. even the first video already explains and reassures what i've been doing for so long is actually the road to take. shapes is what i start the day with to warm up, or rather stretch the muscles before doing other stuff.
>>7673699Couldn't agree more
>>7673711You missed coloring the staff between index/middle finger
>>7673711i'd necro up her mancer, if you catch my drift
>>7673608Actually that's very pawellesque now that I think of it. At some point Pawell will try to cut ties with his permabeg past and build a new persona. He thinks he can fool us.
>>7673722do you actually think pawell can draw like that
Sketchy umas.
>>7673711Sup dude, nice character design.
>>7673608>>7673722Pawell stopped drawing for good. This is his current schedule.
Decided to try Weichun Xiao's Human Body Structure
Can any nice anon give me a draw idea? The thread challenge is too lust inducing.
Uhhh I think my accuracy is a little off
>>7673745the guy that replied with the shadowy portrait is purdy gud for taking on. i'll be doing it in a bit meself. other than that, i saved this marty earlier for the same reasons and because i jsut watched this classic. borgnine has a great face
Is nobody going to draw the challenge?
>>7673753I'll draw it but do you really want me to? think about it
imagine what I could do with it
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>>7673285>>7673308Did both or at least tried to.
Those shadows in Ed Wood are hard
>>7673733No "sex-slop" time? Sad.
I would be in the whore house all day tipping giggling hot asses with one dollar bills, till they throw me out.
>>7673658All my ocs end up being Madoka Ayukawa with more or less of a costume on top
>>7673711Gj anon, I think her features reveal a seamless blend of east and west
>>7673763The point of the shadow exercise is to draw the shadows. Try again, this time draw the shapes the shadows make and don't pay mind to what the image actually is.
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>>7673686It's one of the three "How to" books by Yuyu Kouhara
I've vibe-ported my figure drawing app to
https://zipfigs.netlify.app/
no ads, or other bs, just 10kb of js
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>>7673285I think it has potential.
>>7673771Cool design, reminds me of the protag from Rune Soldier
>>7673763This has way too much soul, work on that line control and you'll make it big
>>7673781cant take the credit thats Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear
>>7673606>pilotsTell me about your project, anon
>>7673781I recognized Sol Badguy even in the thumbnail. Come on man.
>>7673771This is what your guy would look like from profile. His head points down but his face is facing straight at the camera.
>>7673559VERY good, it's similar to Harry Clarke's art but with less 'hieratic' subjects
>>7673784>>7673786Lol my bad, first time I've actually looked into the cast
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>>7673779Draw the hands, don't be a coward!
>>7673485>a new brazilian anon has hit the threadslet's see if this one doesn't turn out to be a fraud
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>>7673804I've been in this thread long before the favela pokegirl anon, I just didn't post too much art
>>7673771pls color this... for me...
>>7673787he thinks a lot, works out at the library and all that
>try to follow a course
>get bored going through the coursework and assignments
>try to study from artbooks to help teach myself something
>get overwhelmed
i hate being autistic
>>7673787kek yeah I was aware but my Pad is charging rn and I wanted to post anyway
>>7673808hell naw!!
>>7673814lore accurate actually
>>7673816just look at a picture and draw the thing. its what i've done for like 6+ months now.
>>7673816that's just being a lazy retard
>>7673810Drawing this, thanks anon. My style isn't really good for drawing irl people, but i'll try to make it look good
Lessons learned:
1. Don't try to eyeball mechanical subjects; project parallels a la Robertson and adjust the reference to the resulting box.
2. Use one of the VPs to draw speed lines
3. Really appreciate the effort put into a single panel, like holy shit the amount of autismo put into, say, one of the car chase chapters of Gunsmith Cats destroys my autismometer
>>7673821>just look at a picture and draw the thingLiterally this, I still watch tutorial vids and pick up some tips left and right but the best thing is to just draw, overcome mistakes and keep drawing
>>7673795Is this some meme acronym I'm not aware of?
>>7673800of course, of course, I will finish it.
>>7673737some more skulls
>>7673758An attempt at training accuracy
>>7673829>keep drawingexactly. never give up, fags. thats the magic trick. some take longer, some are faster, thats life, try to be the best you you can be. nothing else matters. just do it.
>>7673838trying to remember this rn because I'm so demotivated
>>7673844i know a lot of us anons are lazy bastards, but do some stretchings or punch the air for some moments, get that blood flowing and then tackle the thing you want to tackle after a short catch of breathe
>>7673846i feel like it's so hard to draw and work out ngl like I can only put motivation into one or the other and I've been on a fitness spree because I'm fat
meh. the eyes are too small, the mouth looks messy, one of the arms is the wrong length and i was too lazy for the clothes and anything else. okay for getting started for the day though i guess. i'll do the shadow one in a bit. almost looks like anri
>>7673810I was going to draw with a different pen than what I usually use, but its looking like crap. i give up sorry
>>7673858Shit, this is nice! I love trad roughies
>>7673821Doing the same
It's working but not good enough
>>7673699Break the hand down into simple shapes or you'll get weird mishapen... shapes like I highlighted in your drawing.
>>7673859That's a nice face nonetheless
>>7673285oh this is by far not my best but im too pooped
>>7673847good on you for taking the right steps tho
keep going :D
>>7673868Proportions need attention in your work.
>>7673712>>7673713>>7673731>>7673772you guys are the best
thanks for the replies/crits/encouragement
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Linework. I'm liking this one, I think I will colour it.
>>7673864Thanks for the advice, I will give it a go later.
I think I'm getting used to the tablet. It's feeling easier now.
>>7673903it just takes a while, i still hate using it. something about a pen and paper is just cooler. i do sit weird all the time, almost lying in the chair, so its easier to doodle like that with the real thing
warmups (8x30s, 5x1m, 5x2m, 2x5m)
migraine done a number on my brain ugh
>>7673785long story short it's a visual novel about a mecha engineer who is drafted to serve in the military because his father was a war hero, and he ends up working helping a four man team of pilots and he can choose one of the four to partner with. from there, each pilot has a romance story to varying degrees of success.
a little more in depth, the first pilot is a sociable carpe diem explosives specialist. his romance path is more about the protagonist learning to come out of his shell and experience life rather than retreat into the comfort of escapism. The second pilot is at first glance an ideal and noble soldier with strong ideals, who ends up being a convincing narcissist who doesn't have any interest in the protagonist but encourages him anyway to feed his ego. Third pilot is a gruff misanthropic recluse who, while actually quite intelligent, is tough to get along with and his romance is about him and the protagonist finding the right give and take and that they can care for each other the way nobody else has in their lives. He dies during his route and the protagonist commits suicide. The last pilot is the commander of the group, and a friend of the protagonist's father. He's a womanizer and sexually deviant, as well as extremely manipulative and abusive. His route is more of an intense passionate toxic romance that gets to the more fantastical parts of mecha as it progresses.
General themes running through the stories will likely revolve around humanity and it's future or stagnation, posthumanism vs transhumanism vs humanism, what is the self and consciousness, various cognitive philosophy things, is humanity stuck repeating the same stories ad infinitum regardless of the trappings of any era or is it possible for new things to happen and if so should they? I haven't settled completely on the themes and am still in the beginning stages of writing
my ambition far outweighs my ability, at least w art
>>76738102nd quick challenge
>>7673465I loved to read your thoughts. Though, there is a difference between what you wrote and my comment. You express yourself in absolute affirmative terms, and I admit to be in a thoughtful exploration on this topic. I believe we are right now living in that brutal world you think "is coming back". It's already here, and yes it could get worse, and yes, as I point out, we are still, the same humans being subjected to those systemic forces of evil, the same evil from centuries or thousands of years ago. And the love for a woman is the only thing that stands against men becoming real unholy demons of hell.
(off topic -The fall of Constantinople, was an evil plan concocted in Venice to destroy the western christian order and authority. The dark ages came after that, and Venice (Black Nobility) took a hold of the vatican and the whole christian world up to this day. that's what I heard lol)
>>7673529>Rape is just greed and lack of restraint, that's all it's ever been.Exactly, but in the case of human beings there's an extra element wich is "love" in its most emotional and illogical expression. And those elements all mixed together becomes a very intense and powerful thing to dive into artistically.
Like in my "fantasies" law is above all, if they want to have sex with the woman in custody there must be legal forms to sign and bureaucracy to follow. The real world works like that already and it can be as sickening as much as interesting to analyze and to parody.
>>7673559Your stuff is the best thing in this whole board. You should be doing this on a youtube channel, like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9nOaGL_dUY
>>7673771I see Sol Badguy, I approve
>>7673925omg peril sama this one is really fucking good?? good ass drawing holy shit
>>7673918Dang, that's a thoroughly developed idea if I've ever seen one. I'm following the opposite route, i.e. drawing scenes that I intuitively know will exist in the story, but the story itself is unknown even to my conscious self, lol.
Are you studying from any artist in particular? What style are you striving for?
I wanted to practice the anatomy I've been looking at so, I sketched a football player
>>7673934You already posted this. You should just draw a lot more at this point honestly.
>>7673285Polished a turd until it resembles Clara Valac. I really need to loosen up on my pencil
>>7673930it's more that I've been making notes of ideas I've had percolate up into my consciousness lol
>the story itself is unknown even to my conscious self, lol.this is totally how it feels desu, like I'm just uncovering things that have already taken shape in my mind unbeknownst to me
as for style, I really like mamoru nagano and also old BL style art so I'm studying from those occasionally. I also reference like modern gyaku ryona and other similar stuff so there's some stylistic noise in there
>>7673285skipped warm up so this was my warm up
"Fun" 1359
Process: https://youtu.be/oaLvSx0kh9Y
>>7673956Genuinely why are you doing this to yourself
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i think it's pretty bad but i crave attention
>>7673963Because I want to implement my ideas, but I canโt because Iโm untalented perma/pre/beg/.
>>7673966I like it, pretty good for how simple it is. Are you planning to finish it?
>>7673953 ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ) actually goated,
>>7673810i like this one
>>7673925i really like the penis
>>7673956are you okay?
>>7673972You'll come to hate drawing before you achieve proficiency. Just start working on your projects, you'll have plenty of opportunities to productively and meaningfully develop the same skills.
>>7673972You will only stay that way if you continue this weird form of self harm
Start drawing things you wanna draw dumdum
for surea lot more fun as training than the jav who-are. some minor stuff is eh here and there, but overall i'm satisfied
>>7673956For the love of God please stop
>>7673873yeah i know my soul wasnt in it with this one but , thank you for the advice
>>7673956Who is gonna tell him that doing this type of practice in digital is pointless. Please tell me your stabilization is at least 0% when you do this
>>7673197 (OP)Recent life drawings
>>7673956Post an actual, real drawing from an idea you have. I implore of you please.
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>>7673827you hang out in /mmg/?
also i'll say plenty of mangaka back in the day photobashed if they were drawing backgrounds or stuff like cars. nowadays i think they'd use 3d, at least for refs.
>>7674029is that chunners sitting on you? using you as a stool? how bratty....
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I'm doing some organic forms from different views as practice, why does right look so much flatter than left?
Bottom is just to help you visualize what it's supposed to be.
any good resources on feet? what helped you finally get it?
>>7674037the whole on the top right might be a little too high. also, minor changes in lines might give you that feeling. sometiems, the devil is in the detail and only the bottom right one looks a little flat. maybe the lines that are missing are giving you teh effect? try to add some shadows!
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i don't feel particularly productive doing purely observational drawing
>>7674039porno images i think are a good source. the issue is that the involuntary hard-on is.... hard to avoid.
>>7674043try to rotate it / draw the same thing from a different angle
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>>7674008I'm flipping back and forth through my "works" list and I realize that this is one of the few times I sat down to draw with an idea and more or less managed to realize what I had in mind. But for the most part, I was just building a structure out of 3 boxes, connecting, erasing, repeating, and most often deleting.
>>7673816>can't learn>I hate being autistic I'm autistic I can't stop drawing and learning, why is it I'm autistic and I can but you can't?
>>7674050what is your regimen
>>7674045That's a terrible ref. The fuck are you doing
>>7673956I fucking hate you, anon
>>7674055You can't hate him more than he hates himself.
>>7674055I hate myself too
>>7674053theres no terrible references, only terrible artists!
>>7674030Sometimes, I just defaulted to /beg/ because it was where I used to hang out but I probably should, considering how manga-specific my desired feedback is. And yeah, felt pretty tempted to just take a pic of the toy car I used as reference, but I haven't found mention of Sonoda specifically photobashing (in one of his Bean Bandit artbooks he mentions a light table but nothing else), still it's pretty time consuming, and that's not even mentioning guns.
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>>7674034yeah, that was t idea
>>7674070why did you draw ogata hyakunosuke
>>7674070it's mostly a speed thing. there's plenty one can do before straight up photobashing, just feel like mentioning it since plenty of people have little idea how mangaka work. people to this day think murata does the backgrounds for his stuff, or fail to acknowledge the fact that artists may have multiple assistants altogether.
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tried adding blood
failed miserably looks like some neon shit
anyway wagie life sucks and I hope whoever invented 6 day work weeks died a very very horrible death
>>7674073She is missing at least 100lbs of ass.
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>>7674078to be honest I lost all motivation to finish this but I still cant get my self to delete it
it still feels like I can salvage it but I just have no time and I would rather focus on things that can actually help me
I am learning 3d currently
>>7674047Well do more of this and less of nothing scribbles.
>>7674078>tried adding blooddoesn't look like you used any ref
so did you really try
or did you just make shit up
>>7674088one good thing that came out of the job is that I found out they are using a pirated copy of adobe illustrator for literally all their designs so I could take the company down with me if they ever fire me
>>7674047Lmao the bottom doodle isnt yours right? That is by a rapeguro toddlercon known as aerd.
>>7674070meowdor heh sameows gamgee hehe purrdo baggins! hahaha
>>7674052>wake up>clean myself >water plants>drink water>Draw/write>?????>8 hours felt like minutes >eat one meal>shower>listen to audio book>sleep>repeat
rly having a bad drawing day
thanks migraine
>>7674111tried doing faces and they got progressively worse
>>7674112mfw trying to play monhun to distract from bad feelings and thoughts lol
>>7673956Do this for another 10,000 hours and in different variables, you will be good at drawing. Drawing a bunch of apples is also like Drawing circles. Drawing a bunch of leafs are also like Drawing triangles. Just more organic. You already won, nodraws defeated.
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>>7674082i was going to something more akin to her sf2 body
>>7674106>Wake up>Masturbate>Doom scroll for an hour>Get out of bed and wear the same outfit I've been wearing for the passed 5 days, underwear included>Eat break fast: Instant coffee, a banana, Newport menthol.>Day drink for a bit>Get into shouting match with Pajeet neighbours>Get ready to go running>MFW my knee hurts I'll just take a quick rest >Masturbate >Masturbate>Change out of running gear cuz we both know I ain't doing that shit>Draw a shitty picture>Don't shower>Air fry frozen food for dinner>Have another Newport Menthol>Night drink>Eat shitty air fried food that wasn't cooked all the way through>Tell the Pajeets next door to shut the fuck up once more>Masturbate>MFW it's 1am so, it's time to draw an absolute masterpiece>Spend an hour or so pencil and paper smiting some absolute kino>Change into PJ's >Masturbate>Sleep>Repeat
>>7674120I forgot to mention brushing my teeth. Oral hygiene is very important
>>7674118Yeah, except he's just going to keep doing line and ellipse exercises until he eventually quits. He probably has little to no concept of 3d forms even though he's been doing this shit for months now. Even Howie's shitty hat kid drawing mogs him.
>>7674120>wake up>remember everything I'm paranoid about in a shocking rebound and attempt to suppress it down so that I can move on with my day>fail>spend 2 hours doomscrolling > breakfast is 4 cups of coffee and a granola bar > take 7 mg of Vyvanse broken up into water so that I don't have to withdraw > look in the mirror and think about how fat I've gotten > go into my room and lay on my stomach and break my penis by masturbating prone thinking about abuse>spend two more hours doom scrolling >attempt to practice drawing and remember I have no attention span and quit >eat more granola bars >have an existential crisis >eat more granola bars>watch Babylon 5 again for 4 hours even though I've seen it 4 times>try to practice drawing >fail>try to work out and my knee gives out>masturbate and break my dick again>get paranoid>drink alcohol to stop being paranoid>masturbate again>doom scroll>eat ice cream and hate myself >read sci-fi sloppa>sleep rinse repeat
>>7673737>>7673835Are you the anon that was attempting Hampton and Morpho? If so, your skulls are better. Good job. You have a habit of overinflating your structure, but the planes are more defined. I would try to narrow things down.
>wake up
>drink rat poison
>go to work
>come back from work
>punch myself in gut 20 times
>choke myself until I fall asleep
This is what you people sound like
>>7674155that's actually harder than learning how to draw.
do people really do it 3 to 5 times a day? don't they get tired/sore? No wonder they have so little time left to practice drawing...
>Wake up at 10 AM, decide whether I'll skip breakfast or not.
>Look at the news
>Play video games until 5 PM
>Start drawing with a break for dinner at 9
>Lose track of time until around ~1 AM
>Cry at how worthless I am and how hopeless my life is, and consider the ways I will finally commit suicide
>Sleep at 3-4 AM.
>wake up
>think about fat man cock
>draw fat man cock
>sleep
>>7674174a man's fat cock, or a fat man's cock? both?
>>7673956It's all over the place. Don't just scribble the shapes down in seconds, make an effort to have them all the same size. No wonder you're not progressing at all.
>>7673308I wanted to try hatching
I suck at portraits
>>7674198essentially you just treat the shadows as shapes, you could approach it very mathematical even or rather geometrical in the sketchphase, just to get the sizes right and then hatch over it. the dirty graphite one i did took quite a bit of time. so its just a question of how much effort you put into it at any given time. speed comes with experience and being used to do it. just dont give up and you'll get there eventually.
>>7674205Yeah I think I didn't spend enough time getting things right in the sketching stage, I should've measured proportions better and blocked out the shapes of the shadows properly before even attempting the hatching
>>7674213as ed woods says in the tim burton film "the next one will be better!"
really messed up dokuga's arms and hands
also Kai's aren't perfect either
but I think the general vibe of the drawing is cute and comes across ok enough
something somewhat not total shit is ok though considering the nearly 3 day migraine I'm getting over
>>7674186naisu
>>7674233https://youtu.be/dxK0zQtIR9I
r nuns allowed 2 draw?
u shud go b a nun.
it wud b funny.
and also gud 4 ur sovl etc.
i wud also like 2 b a nun so i can force myself 2 stop drawing fucked up shit or at least draw fucked up shit that glorfies god like martydom of saints n stuff n u should stop drawing the boys so young paige i think thats v bad and not gud and u r much better in ur heart than u r trying to make ppl see you as being v bad and evil when ur not. ok pls cheer up.
i spent my bday alone (with jesus and my cat) this year :)
>>7674236Posting like this used to be a bannable offense.
And I think it should still be.
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forest entrance for some gamedev stuff (i can not paint)
>>7674240What's the game about?
There this artist I follow who will post a fully shaded and inked b/w manga style drawing and go "teehee just a warmup". It pisses me off so fucking much.
>>7674242nothing to do with a forest, just making this for testing screen transitions (its an isometric point and click)
>>7674236:( I didn't mean for him to look young in that drawing, just small. I just tend to think of myself and my proportions compared to the men I'm attracted to, and it just ends up looking bad. I do need to practice making them both look clearly adult and ig studying boys love doesn't help too much there. I'll try branching out bc it's definitely not my intention for the characters to look underage
they are canonically like really different in height and build though
>nunI can't even tolerate AA talk, I think if I tried entering an actual church, especially a non Lutheran/CoE/Old Catholic one I'd like burst into flames, and those are only safe bc of family. most of the churches around here are southern Baptist and while some like gays most do not
happy birthday and nice drawing desu! your cat is lucky to be with you
>>7674239which part exactly lol
also i prolly agree with u.
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>>7674245Is it a nsfw game?
I schizo doodled this from memory.
Now on to find references to fill in the gaps and correct.
I CANT FUCKING DRAW FACES AAAAAAAA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY ARE FUCKING FLAT AND UGLY AND DISPROPORTIONATE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>7674243as long as its just a drawing and not an actual page i think its not THAT much of an effort. you can whip that out in an hour, maybe even less if you are used to the tools. i made a page for the /a/ drawthread once and that took quite a while, despite keeping it rather simple. 3 closeup panels and one exterior image of the scenery on top of the text took about 4 hours almost. the exterior took the longest, despite still keeping it somewhat simple and having the references from the movie set
at least my drawings don't look as fucked up in terms of characters looking young as this shit
>>7674264, who is clearly trying to depict a child in an inappropriate way
>>7674246>proportionsi am also kinda thin with smol booba n prefer more muscled dudes so i think i understand but just lift weights n take sterioids until this is nolonger an issue think cud?
>>7674250ah yeh dats tru abloobloobloo
had fun with this one, tried to make the head tilt up a bit but might have over done it
>>7674276it has a smug aura to it. needs to be corrected
>>7674276>tried to make the head tilt up a bit but might have over done itif Shaft gets away with much worse then you shouldn't worry about it
>>7674274good advice I will gymbromaxx
maybe even fiddle with Pinterest so I get less things like this showing up
>>7674276good job
the actual chin could be higher since she's tilting her head up and you would see the underside of her jaw
the ear as well could be higher, anime stylization usually has the ear placed a bit lower but i think it might be a bit too low
>>7674282these hands r pure comedy. just fucking terible lol
mogs me still tho
>>7673285Lineart was going good with the face and then I had one shot too many and my lines got sloppy. Maybe I'll finish coloring tomorrow.
>>7674276Colors and shading are great, looks exactly like an anime screencap. Her irises are slightly misaligned though, her left iris shouldn't touch her lower lashline, or her right iris should touch it.
>>7674286yaoi hands always cheer me up
>>7674295is this how womb-men see our hands? big scary, gropy thingies?
>>7674257Are you even trying?
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Currently trying to draw again. Can you guys guess who the character is?
last one for the night
simple one
kulu-ya-ku + yakub = kulu-ya-ku, creator of the white race of devils and also a bird wyvern
>>7674296quite possibly, data suggests
>>7674306is it reg from made in abyss
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>>7674039prokos vids on feet were decent for me
>>7674315Why did it take you 5 minutes to add around 10 strokes of hair
>>7674039i unironically never studied feet because i already have tons of feet porn in my mind
>>7674322ugh I realized I had to make the text look appropriately styling, good night now desu happy birthday and cat
Doing comms, does Paypal.me hide my name/address or is it the same bullshit as through regular Paypal?
>>7674342Paypal always shows your real name and address, no matter what. I wouldn't care too much about it, though. People don't care about you enough (if you aren't a female) to do anything.
>>7674346Eh, you're never safe from bumping into that one retard, eather not take any chances.
What alternatives do I have that doesn't involve shit like crypto? (doing nsfw)
>>7674351Deviantart points. The customer buys them from Deviantart with paypal or whatever, sends them to you, and you exchange them for money in Paypal, Bitpay, or whatever other options DA offers.
Wish I wasn't lazy today and drew more
What's the best way to make sure your ears on a head drawing are correct?
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>>7674257when in doubt, steal
>>7674370OBLIVIONMOG
so brutal
Oh hey I actually sketched something for bunny girl day
But it was a boy (Iruma-kun)
>>7674370>>7674372TOTAL MOGLITERATION
in the past month I drew nearly every day
and saw zero improvement
I want to rest tonight
but I know it will only make things worse if I do
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Figure practice
>>7674370I recognize Ryuuko and Madoka. Who are the bottom two?
>>7674360Very cool.
Neck's a tad wide maybe.
>>7674395You're right, thanks
>>7674377Knee to ankle's too short
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Where do i go from here or should i just keep grinding gestures. My proportions look off too
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does this look too saturated? Colors look fine on my tablet but they look desaturated on other displays so I saturated the output to compensate
>>7674413The colors are pleasently vibrant imo
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>>7674413>>7674416I think I'm supposed to enable this thing on my dispaly tablet, now the colors look similar between my monitors. I might have fucked up several drawings because of this, lmao....
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>>7674413non corrected saturation for comparison
>>7674413>>7674417>>7674418nevermind, I was working on AdobeRGB for some reason :D
>>7674413my style will never be as appealing as this anons...
>>7674257still better than me, you could even say that it mogs me
>>7674169Sleepless night after sleepless night.
This time there is no satisfaction, no happiness, this life feels truly over.
>>7674159How does one fix overinflating structures?
Is that like too-much-perspective or fisheye perspective or are they actually ballooning like a DeviantART artist's deviations
I had to use the eraser a lot on this one and it took a long time and there are so many mistakes it's laughable
this was drawing 99 since I started numbering my drawings
drawing 100 should be something special maybe idk
>>7674451with a side sword, your index finger should be through the finger ring and holding the ricasso as though it were part of the grip
here's a pic to help show what I mean, with the sword holder having their hand mostly open rather than closed
and another pic for the hand closed
>>7674484>>7674485sorry anon it's been a long time since I really looked at sword things and I forgot
>some two-handed sabers have the upper finger guards, some don't>but the one I used for reference does, so it's probably meant to be held that way>and the pose is holding it one-handed besides
>>7674508How do you sketch these anon? Just 1:1 copying a photo reference, or do you make a box in perspective to "carve" the car out?
>>7674351You can probably make a company and create a paypal under its name instead
>>7674511I take a reference of a car (photo or 3D model), throw it into critique, use the perspective tool and draw the basic design of the car from cubes, trapezoids, etc.
Then I roughly estimate the scale on paper and transfer the base that I copied in krita.
Then I add details. This is all in pencil. Then I outline with a liner, then I paint with ink
>>7673518Killing thine self
Bro
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I came to the realization that I almost exclusively draw "down" and never draw a line going up in all of my drawings
is this normal, or is drawing lines going up normal?
>>7674439It depends on how you develop your forms and their proportions. Imagine yourself touching a bone that you're drawing. If, for some reason, it feels like you're grabbing a balloon animal rather than a hard surface, it probably looks too inflated.
A more technical explanation is proportion. You need to check the line's angles and lengths. If you measure by eye sockets, then you know your cheekbone can't be the same width and height as the sockets. The cheekbone needs to have a height that's half of the sockets, but a longer width because it's pulled back. Another problem is the inconsistency in volume; some parts of your forms can look very three-dimensional, but that only emphasizes the completely flat parts. Therefore, it seems more inflated. The only solution is to work on your accuracy.
>>7674333ty
>>7674404>>7674508i like the rx7 alot. if thats what it is.
im not a car expert but i think they look cool.
>>7674578https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHMHng7w1hQ
>>7673285Just a quick one, about 20 minutes
>>7674508AI is getting good.
>>7674596Does this really look like AI? What's wrong? Not enough details?
By the way, here's the original, I'm currently redrawing the frames.
What catches your eye first? As for me, the vegetation, I still can't draw it as well as in the original. please, i really need criticism
>>7674598>Does this really look like AI?It doesn't. He is either a crab or a schizo buck broken by AI. Don't waste your time on him.
>>7674508I can't draw a car to save my life, but if you need criticism, the only thing that I think is specifically off is something about the front of the car's perspective
morning drawing
fucked up proportions and the perspective was tough
but it looks somewhat ok I think
I wish I could say it was an improvement over the last time I drew reg but honestly I don't think it is
I think I may just be impatient and need to work on slowing down
first doodle of the day, still groggy. could be worse
I sometimes see people here say
>blog?
What website are you niggas referring to, sorry if this is an insanely retarded question but I just dont know
>>7674607>>7674608u shud get a om tattoo
>>7674609thats p gud
>>7674597the one big eyeball is funny
>>7674598some initial D type shi. damn gud.
>>7674617probably like Twitter or Tumblr or pixiv or Myspace or whatever
>>7674617any website, i don't know the origins of why it's "blog?" but it's a way of asking for where they post their art in case they don't post on whatever platform you use
>>7674619I'm not racist but that's a little too basic white bitch 4 me lol
I have thought about it though honestly
>>7674623theres a movie with Andy Serkis playing a english skin head and he has a om tat on his skull and it looks so psychotic and based.
https://youtu.be/SFo_xevE-aA
>>7674628kinda hot honestly I wasn't him to break my fingers
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hmm
>>7674628also quick doodle and the eyes are too close but
>mfw the jammies dodgers ain't tip top squibbly wibbly
ugh tried fucking with the eyes now he looks too shoujo
>>7674637>>7674641these r great but ion rly see the andy serkis likeness he is v distinct looking. even in the gollum 3d model andy's face/expressions come through. keep going u can do it i belieb in u etc
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>>7673285Posting progress. Really liked this case study, please make more like this in the future.
all I've drawn the past 36 hours is cylinders
>>7674644I'll try again in a bit might take a nap or eat
my dog rolled on the remains of some tomato plants yesterday and my mum thought he had bloodstains on him bc the day before he'd snatched a squirrel out of the air and murdered it then came back inside with it's blood dripping from his mouth lol but today the stains on his fur are still like red instead of rusty dried blood color so I just like put my nose in his fur and inhaled and he smelled like tomatoes
>>7674598Actually it is too many details and repetitive details, if it looks AI it is probably AI.
>>7674617>>7674622Peepol posting here don't want to be found. That's why they post here to leave no trace.
>>7674648Do that 19 more times, you'll be able to draw cylinders like a God.
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Worked on this pose from imagination. Probably doesn't work in the way that I wanted to because the torso is almost entirely foreshortened. Still like it though
>>7674652>>7674598Looks more like a brush used for the trees, maybe that's why it looks overdetailed but repetitive? Last I checked AI wasn't really repetitive, on the contrary, tends to be inconsistent as fuck.
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how to draw toes
>>7674657cool
>>7674658AI is very consistent that's why you can get multiple pictures of the same style. In fact, AI likes to overdetail and repetitive patterns, it can't draw, it can only clonestamp yes, clonestamp is what AI is. Which means patterns or specific style can be cloned. I feels that drawing is repetitive, even the mistakes are repetitive. Because I do ink and traditional too, and when I see repetitive mistakes for 6 times in a row, it is either the artist is imitating mistakes or AI is cloning. I am leaning to AI. Let me guess AI modified? You added some lines to trick people? If so, good job.
Need an opinion friends. Is the hair too messy? I don't know how to do better than this without taking half an hour for each strand.
>>7674660Why do you need closed up toes? Someone trying to suck the big toes huh
>>7674657cute queen
>>7674656I'll probably shoot myself if I do that
>>7674645ty beary mush
>>7674650maybe dog got skunked and wanted to get the skunk stank off with a tomato bath?
>>7674657this is fun. idk what it is but its fun.
anytime i try to do fundies I burn out and don't draw for four days
how do people enjoy fundamentals and not want to shoot themselves
>>7674667this isn't a closeup, it's the bare minimum to make them look like toes
>>7674648and what did you learn
>>7674648draw shapes that are cylindrical now. glasses, cups and stuff. a beer stein! i want to see a beer stein, anon! put a fancy logo on it as well!
im so jealous of people who enjoy fundamentals when all they do for me is cause me a horrific mental block and make me want to quit drawing
>>7674668Price of being a God of cylinders. You know what else looks like cylinders? Pipes. Draw pipes. You see, even just drawing cylinders also can become fun. Be creative my friend. 19 more times to go.
>>7674670i dont know what half of you people are talking about, i just draw. what are fundies when you people say that? poses, shadows, lines? buildings, persons, cars, things? shapes? put on some music, audiobook or podcast you enjoy, maybe a youtube channel, let it run while you draw all the references you like! just keep at it. thats all. worry about being a "pro" later!
>>7674675gun barrels are cylindrical as well....
started a new drawing today
>>7674681Staring down a gun barrel is a dark thought, but could be a cool concept to be staring at a gun barrel and draw it.
>>7674682So good, best in thread, I like it, the chonky beast reminds me of snorlax
>>7674671Don't need to hide your fetish from me feetbro. Lol nobody draws big toes up closed. Rarely there are stories revolving around big toes or toes. The only one I'd gout and it's the side of the big toes, maybe a fat king who fucks, eat and drink a lot with a gouty toe.
>>7674692show me how you draw toes then since my method involving 3 simple forms is too complex appareantly
should give up on figure and go back to animals or still life. it's so hard and demotivating that i feel stuck and never finish my work
>>7674707there's no need to worry over finishing stuff
just draw what you like
>>7674666What are you doing bro
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>>7674712I don't have a clue... I never did this before.
>>7674670What fundies are you trying to do? My advice would be to isolate one to work on, do a really quick skim through of a book or tutorial that covers it, and then draw whatever you want while trying to apply that. Whenever you encounter problems look for more info about the fundie then go back to drawing. You'll learn it slower but you're less likely to burn out.
While pure grinding might be more efficient if you can't mentally handle it, there's no point in trying again and again. It's better to learn at a slower pace than not at all.
>>7674710i don't even practice shading and coloring human figures. just get tired and disappointed quickly
>>7674720>tired and disappointed you are taking yourself too seriously
learn to have fun while sucking
>>7674482I love you frenchie.
>Permabegschizo gets more likes than me
>>7674714Well you call it "painting practice" but it looks like all you're doing is mindlessly tracing.
>>7674728Bro got 17 likes. He might as well have made it. He won...
>>7674653lurk before posting
>>7674734What are you niggas talking about
>>7674741Hard earned victory
fine day, sunday. no drawings on sunday!
Should I continue this? I spent over 2 hours on it. I feel like I wasted time...
>>7674734i got 51 notes on a 20 min drawing on a Tumblr account with zero followers or past have I made it .
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Man shirt collars are hard
>>7674730I traced over my own sketch I did from reference. I'm going to paint it later but for now I want to try shading it just for the sake of learning.
>>7674749she's pretty cute as is, no need for weird proportions
do a 1-1 copy first
>>7674751are you using ref or are you wasting time?
>>7674744I do all my drawings on sunday
>>7674758*she actually
>>7674760I have one of my own shirt on my desk as I'm drawing + panels from the manga she's from
>>7674761i did a lot already as well, sketchin birbs, shapes, stuff from memory i did yesteray. very cozy today
>>7674762post your refs (panel and shirt)
>>7674749That's never a waste of time, but you shouldn't continue, but start again, and again, and again. Do this same rough sketch as many times as you can, till you feel the shape becomes second nature to you, and you can be able to tweak subtle proportions here and there. Then it won't be a waste of time.
>>7674754How about you start with the basics and try painting a sphere. There's plenty of tuotorials for that.
>>7674264I wish I could draw backgrounds.
>>7674772What's the difference? Can't I learn with either?
>>7674765Oh yes, living in cold countries is the best... with muh cuppa coffee and my blanket, sunday drawing here we go.. mmh - mmh - mmhh!..
>>7674773lmao, what the fuck
did you trace the figure? I can't fathom the disparity in skill
>>7674773>>7674264Dollfag? Lmao, hiding the face could work.
Really good fig and I cant find any glaring mistake other than the boneness of her ass. Was it on purpose?
Will Loomis and DAB teach me how to draw like this?
https://x.com/Minori_11037/status/1930281138976899494/photo/1
>>7674778I've been grinding figure drawing for years, this >>>/b/937965232 is from a bit over a year ago, but I've neglected pretty much everything else, specially backgrounds, so I'm hyperbeg when it comes to that. I used pic related for the ref.
>>7674780yeah, I was going for a small bony loli ass with a wide thigh gap
>>7674707Certain animals are harder to draw than people to be honest
>>7674783Coomis and Draw a Boob maybe
>>7674783Loomis yes if you're a prebeg. Dab never.
>>7674787like you did for the figure, use ref for the bg
also learn perspective so you can match the perspective of each
>>7674760Why would not using references wasting time if he wants to draw from imagination? That object is simple enough to conjure or try conjuring from memory.
tried again w Andy Serkis
tough
eyes and brain are getting burnt out
>>7674776The way you're drawing you're making dozens of little mistakes that will have to be learned individually anyway. Just start with something simple.
>>7674797drawing from memory/imagination is only useful if you have something in your memory
and even simple objects have proportions and details to be mindful of
but if you're making shit up, you're wasting time
>>7674714You've never traced before?
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>>7674766Can't really be arsed to take a pic and transfer it but this is the panel, though the angle isn't exactly the same
>>7674802I see. Thanks. I'll do that sometime.
>>7674750I have no idea what notes are but Congrats
>>7674682>This anon got that good in a single dayIt's so fucking over for me.
Lost track of a website that posted a shitton of models modelling for photos. Used it as a ref. They posted new albums daily. Anyone know what I might be talking about?
>>7674803Yeah, no mate. Trying from memory first and then correcting with reference generally yields better learning results. I was pretty sure I'd heard about it in Huberman's podcast, and it turns out the evidence is overwhelmingly supporting of that approach.
>>7674803>if you have something in your memorydraw from reference, then draw from memory after that. then draw from memory the day after again. compare results. repeat till you die.
>>7674841that seems fine too, but it's not something I see anons actually do
they just make shit up and leave it at that
>>7674841nah. do the reference, then do from memory. stop being lazy.
did a study I guess
have a big bump on my tongue I don't remember biting it so I worry that it's cancer but it doesn't look like cancer but idk I haven't sucked dick in months and the last guy said he was clean but what if he lied and I have some STD or something now
>>7674839sketchdaily?
>>7674647The silence is very telling. I take it it's not very interesting. Well I have a couple ideas to spice it up, will try out them along today.
>>7674850How's that being lazy? If anything it means you're adding an extra step to the process. I mean, do whatever you want, but unless you're some sort of genetic freak the point regarding effective learning seems pretty much settled.
>>7674841holy fuck LMAO is this trolling
who cites fucking (((AI)))??
i genuinely hate chatgpt tard his fast progress doesn't matter
>>7674859yay I'm glad she's recognizable! also the side by side of these two looks funny
>>7674841Ask it for references to the evidence. Post the links.
What studies, what methodology, what sample size, what control strategy, how strong was the correlation?
>>7674860You are angry because he MOGS you
>>7674866no. I am angry because he is destroying the environment for retarded reasons
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>>7674870https://news.mit.edu/2025/explained-generative-ai-environmental-impact-0117
https://earth.org/environmental-impact-chatgpt/
just gross and retarded to use unnecessary levels of energy for something you can do without it
>>7674858Stop being retarded
>>7674871just because you're too stupid to utilize ai doesnt mean it's useless, classic blunder
>>7674873it's gross, it's retarded and also just says someone is a person who can't do shit for themselves. stupid amount of unnecessary environmental impact to be dependent on chatgpt when it's an energy waster
>>7674874>>7674841Is this one of those sharty raids? You have to be some next level kind of insane to waste your time trolling /ic/ of all places
>>7674841>AIDisregarded.
>(((Huberman)))Disregarded.
>>7674876i can use AI, I don't because it consumes pointless amount of energy. any retard can use AI, and encourages an industry that is going to fuck over countless people. if you use AI, you're a selfish retard
>>7674665Kindly stop pretending to be retarded. This place has too many genuine schizos as it is.
>>7674868nice
>>7674874nigger it's ai it's dumb as fuck, it doesn't know what it's saying it's just a fancy copy paste retard machine Chinese room nightmare
>>7674798ngl i aint do any better.
different ref too.
>>7674857youre right, its stupid. its like learning vocabulary by doing it form memory intead of looking it up yourself. try ask a blind guy to draw a bird from memory and vague description. do the refernece sketch, then transform it from memory after.
>>7674890a digital artist who can actually draw trad and doesn't crumble the moment they don't have the lasso tool? based
>>7674880it's not talking about drawing and the studies it references contradicts your point
>active effortful learning strategies outperform passive mastery copying a study or using a reference is active learning, working just from imagination can result in you learning things that don't correspond to reality because you have no reference point
surgeons don't just freehand shit before learning how to suture or whatever
ppl who genuinely think AI is smart or of value are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet
>>7674888kinda cute he belongs next to a frog pond
>>7674852>>7674647its alright. me personally, i've been posting a lot in the thread so i cant just reply to everything, i dont want to seem spammy. you did a great job on the boobage and the thiccness of the piece. and the squeeze is visible as well, my graphite one didnt reflect that at all and i had other spacing problems.
>>7674891You are being retarded, you're bringing up examples where there was no exposition to the subject, we were talking about shirts. Stop being retarded.
>>7674894>>7674890took a while but thank you
>>7674890what did you study to get this good
>>7674888this ones recognizeable though. you did do better.
>>7674904good job man, trad is hard. gods work
>>7674905I have some morpho and bridgman books, but idk how much they influenced me. I just drew a lot the past two years or so.
>>7674909how long have you drawn altogether?
>>7674909>I just drew a lot the past two years or so.>I just drewbased. howie's utterly btfo'd. it really only takes time, i wanted to see myself if it were true, so i can transform my shitty sporadic doodles to something thats worth showing and the last six months have been a struggle, but damn it actually paid off.
never give up anons, even if you catch flak or hate yourself for a day or an hour, it'll pass. ganbatte!
Do these look OK for not using any reference?
>>7674913>Inb4 started a month ago
>>7674917i've seen a lot worse. reminds me of musashi from inoue
>>7674918the collar is only hard because you didnt learn it from reference. theyre actually like the most basic shape ever. hands and feet are hard, because theyre so complicated. collars are easy. just look up a perspective, draw that, then redraw it from memory to fit your piece. this is how you grow effectively. studying and using the study. its basic logic.
how do I make my arms healthier so I can draw for longer
>>7674925Weightlifting, do Starting Strength.
>>7674913I drew a lot in middle school and liked to just copy motives from these collectable star wars cards. Never drew from imagination, just copy. Did that for like 3 years or so. Between then and now there was a multiple years long break, but I guess all together 6/7 years. Still hard to say, I doodled a lot in elementary school, don't know if that also counts, but it was nothing worth mentioning.
>>7674908>>7674915thanks
>>7674928>starting strength
>>7674896roight then...
bog'd n frog'd.
>>7674906mog'd?
>>7674924Bro I'm the one who posted the drawing, that guy ain't me
i peaked magma drawing dog girls with futa cocks
>>7674257thank you for thread challenge
>>7674881>I don't because it consumes pointless amount of energyYou claims betray you, token generation consumes a negligible amount of energy, it can be run locally, it's not image or video generation, you dont know this because you're just repeating slogans and you dont know how ai works or how to use it
>if you use AI, you're a selfish retardAnd if you don't, you're just a retard
>>7674682how many boxes for this?
>>7674937pfhahahaha. dare i say... precious?
>>7674682>perspective gridIs this in fact cheating chat?
