If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Last: >>7680634

Pawell......

>>7684234 (OP)
Good op

>>>/a/281331740

shaded these doodles!

based OP. worth the weight.

Left > right

i wonder what today's thread challenge would be

Something different thread challenge

>>7684249
it really depends on the topic of the mango imo. but a seinen with a very cartoony style can also work, and there is a certain contrast in the artstyle and thematic. like doing a very brutal and dark war drama in an almost childish looking style could be cool. probably exists somewhere

>>7684255
https://africatvl.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Rhino-Beetle-scaled.jpg

>>7684270
Keep doing the good work

sometimes i feel like this place is a hellhole for critique then i check r/learntodraw and remember how much worse it could be

>>7684270
the pic on the top right isn't ai I think? it's just someone else's art that he's studying
>>7684254
very cute girl

>>7684277
Qrd?

I want to draw nsfw, but i'm scared of sharing it on my socials. I don't really draw that kind of thing, only wholesome stuff. I don't want to make an alt either

>>7684234 (OP)
>Literally 1st ever drawing
>int
ITS OVER.

>>7684290
at this point you're just psyopping

KEK. What a good fucking OP. Good job anon.

>>7684255

Okay done for real this time.
>>7683860
Good suggestion, honestly I tried thinking of an artist with a similar style to what I was going for and realized I didn't have a solid idea of what style I was going for in the first place. That's probably the biggest factor in why it felt unfinished.
>>7683865
Thanks!

have this problem where bc I've avoided drawing hands so much I have zero visual memory of them lol, no library whatsoever

i felt bad for the other /beg/ beating themselves up for their full body sketch in the last one.
in the spirit of encouraging other /begs/ to post shit drawings, have some bedtime sketches.

>>7684283
no story in particular, you can just look at any post in the subreddit of someone failing something simple like not using references or not observing a reference and see a horde of bullshit replies

https://www.reddit.com/r/learntodraw/comments/1mhm6h3/what_can_i_do_to_improve_my_art

like this post, every reply is either bad for the skill level this person is at or complimenting the art when the person is asking how to improve

>>7684306
Your lineart varies too wildly. It's super thin in some areas and way too thick in others like that arm.
Just something to watch out for in the next one.

>>7684299
kawaii. the horn is slightly bigger and the body needed to be a little longer, but its still very cool, despite its simplicity. this is what anons should train on more. its simple subject with small, yet complicated shapes. no need to do gigantic projects, especially early on.

>>7684234 (OP)
HOW DO I GET INSTANTLY BETTER AT DRAWING? I feel like I've peaked around here. Sure I can convey a character but it's nothing amazing. I have my notebook and a lot of time to practice right now, I did this one rn

I can make better drawings than Pic related but still, I feel floaty, like my drawing skill simply isn't solid enough

>>7684234 (OP)
This was the latest one I had drawn before

>>7684343
MOGS ME

ok, getting kinda tired, but did one more cartoonish style for tonight
a little too simplified for my taste i think. def needs more detail

>>7684355
Based on your line quality at such an early stage I bet you're one of those women with autistically precise hand writing

>>7684343
theres no other way than drawing a lot. copy something, then do it from memory, then combine stuff and change it from memory. its just a lot of learning. sure there is books and courses, but copying what you want to do is most a essential skill. like learning vocabulary.

>>7684360
its ok but its not too great i def need to practice more. and for a while my handwriting got really bad because i developed psoriatic arthritis (even in my wrist/fingers) , but recently got on medication thats helped a lot!
i really want to learn some proper calligraphy some day!

>>7684318
Hands are a motherfucker to get right. What I did to get somewhat proficient was just fill up several pages of hands in various poses. What I found (for me anyway) is that focusing too much on construction gets in the way of the reality of how hands move in space. Hands are difficult and in practice you will make mangled fingers with impossible anatomy, but its not an unreasonable amount of work to get decent. Just don't be afraid of seeing the failures.

its not finished
>>7684246
nngggghhh crow mommy
>>7684277
how bad is it over there?
>>7684369
wow

>>7684306
>I didn't have a solid idea of what style I was going for in the first place.
not an issue, as long as you compare yourself with a professional (even after the fact) you'll quickly catch the things you're missing

What do I think of it?

>>7684378
right is literally traced

>>7684380
wait omg thats so good!!! i hope i can make landscapes like that some day!

>>7684364
ahh bud I feel ya. got lots of issues with my hands and probably sjrogens. either that or mild Crohn's that's killing my mouth, bad inflammatory markers. glad you're feeling better friend. biologics?
they thought I had RA but I had no definitive immuno markers so they said come back next year to confirm sjrogens or not

>>7684380
>What do I think of it?
I don't know what you think of it anon. I can't read your mind
>What do you think of it?
The shadows from the surf where the water just touches the shore look great. The piece overall makes me think of beaches along the pacific northwest.

I am starting to feel really depressed again.

>>7684387
yea biologics.
sorry to hear you have that :<
i hope you find the right treatment some day

>>7684390
its ok ! i have a neurologist appointment to check for Ms or tumors in October also, fingers crossed it's not the case

Sometimes I think these threads are the worst but then I look at /lsg/ and realize how good we have it in comparison

DECIDED TO DRAW MY COUSIN

RAAAAAHHH SHE'S SO FREAGGIN CUTE

>>7684392
i hope it turns out ok

>>7684389
mogs me

>>7684373
>>7684325

>>7684403
Dont lie.

>>7684399
>if female
aww :)
>if male
aww 3:

>>7684325
>>7684405
fuck me sidewaysthat is depressing
i think we have it rather good here,

>>7684402
>>7684392
yeah same, good luck bud
>>7684380
i lack the words to tell you how good i find this

>>7684411
I'm male and thirsting like a man in the desert, she's an anime irl. She also inspired me to draw more a year ago to improve and make her better portraits but I stopped showing her those because it might be stalkerish

>>7684414
people like you make me rethink the free speech argument for lolicon, maybe it should be illegal

i didn't draw today

>>7684418
draw now then

>>7684416
She was asking for them though, it started with her asking me to draw her, then asking me to learn realism and do that. She also got inspired and started learning how to draw herself.
Now I added her favorite anime character, I'll show her this one.

>>7680793
Page 20 done!
>>7682096
>I appreciate the praise, but if anything I'm envious of the enthusiasm you always bring to your work. I'm a little too phlegmatic myself, so that kind of passion is something I really admire. Besides that, I like how feminine your faces are. The shapes are simple but they give an ideal suggestion of a pretty face.
Oh thank you so much!!! I guess these story-driven pieces and projects gets me enthusiastic Even when I know what I drawing beforehand, when doing the page and the dialogues it's like discovering the story myself as a reader. Ain't nothing as fun as that.
7684246
>>7684278
Yes Classic Deer is back!
>>7684254
Your sexy doodles are always so fresh
>>7684306
NICE! A little bit of red in the lower lip would look good on her
>>7684346
This is beautiful
>>7684355
Damn, I love how CLEAN those pencil lines look, looks unreal, reminds to those classic old animation designs of the likes of Aaron Blaise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ter8lLajzOk
>>7684357
You did the challenge too! Such a nice figure! And adorable face!
>>7684369
Holy WOW, I wish I could paint like that
>>7684373
That's crazy monkeybro!!! artistic AF

>7684380 (Sorry fren I'm out of you's)
This is insane Landscape anon! Is that watercolors? Reminds me to the gemstones (ocean picture stones) this guy dig out in the mountains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1X1MHh_Lw

>>7684420
I pray you're trolling me, genuinely, but just in case: be lucky you're anonymous and so am I, so you can actually step away from this interaction without actually hurting yourself. You said you thirst after your presumably underage cousin like a man in the desert. If English is not your first language and you don't know what this means, you are forgiven. Otherwise you're abusing her trust in her cool big cousin's artwork to be a fucking pedo. Genuinely seek help or rope, whichever you feel like works best.

>>7684423
She's turning 27 though

>>7684416
lolicon art is merely by-product of perverted desires
even if the art is made illegal it does nothing to stop those feelings from arising in real life

did a pre-bath drawing again
kept the bath waiting bc I wanted to finish it lol
this was a mostly faithful attempt at a study

>>7684425
Ehhh... less weird then. Go outside more often though, you're not interacting with enough women if you're crushing for your cousin.
>>7684426
My prior post has already been invalidated. I have nothing to argue.

>>7684399
d-do you have more?

also what the fuck, one of the photos I took of the drawing got messed up by some weird camera issue, it looks really cool tho which is why I'm posting it in addition to the actual photo

>>7684427
MOGS ME

>>7684419
it's almost 10 pm

>>7684435
then go to bed now and draw in the morning

>>7684421
i cant wait to know whats written there
and thanskies "3 hihiihihihi

>>7684435
draw in your sleep :)

Why is it that even aping technically "bad"/extremely easy styles like picrel is so difficult? Hypothetically, it should be a lot easier, right? But I run into all the same issues I do when trying for more proficient styles. It's just frustrating that there's no "low level" way to engage with drawing, you know?

>>7684433
y-you too

>>7684440
from the time we had skilled redliners

>>7684435
>>7684418
I drew today and I fucking hated it.

i drawed'th've today. something something proportions, short wing whatever. i'll look at it again tomorrow and i will do the thread challenge tomorrow as well. stay busy, beggars.

>>7684445
Only 364+ more days of that consecutively until you can draw something you don't hate! :) Yayyy!

>>7684446
Occasionally I forget this is the intermediate thread too and get angry at people for posting shit like this, but then I remember. Nice bird, anonie.

>>7684255

>>7684435
>western hemisphere

>>7684245
Very creative but you need to study more loli shapes. Go to /lsg/ they got some ehentai links to books for loli. All the proportion is slightly off.

>>7684448
thang. just dont give up, its also only a referenced image, so i shouldve done better. i'll do it from imagination tomorrow to see what has kept and then i'll do that bug, but i'll try to be a bit more creative with it, possibly pointillism.

>>7684446
i love that!
im literally brand new so obv it will take a long time for me to reach your level. but what are good ways to handle bird feet & eyes?
heres what i did today for example
>>7684030 >>7683798 >>7683594
(theyre supposed to be red-winged blackbirds)

What's the best drug to take to suppress the paralyzing terror and anger I get every time I try to draw? I'm serious. If I can just prove to myself one time that drawing isn't as horrifying as it seems, I feel like it'll be a lot easier from there.

>>7684436
i'm anxious since my dad had to go back to the hospital again but i'll try and draw tomorrow

>>7684234 (OP)
>It's finally clicking
FUCK YEAH

>>7684459
I draw slightly high on weed capsules usually. You have to find a dosage that doesn't tank your motor skills or perception but is still enough to take the edge off. A little bit of alcohol may also work unless you're an angry drunk.

>>7684460
oh, im sorry youre going through that

>>7684461
Hell yeah! >:] Keep it up, anon! Proud of you for sticking with it!

>>7684435
You should have personal tiers of stuff you can do in, like, 5-10 minutes, 20-40, or one hour+.
The quickest sketch is mostly done in the mind, just think of something nice and sketch it before sleep

>>7684462
Mmm! Not a bad idea. Weed usually makes me freak out, but I appreciate the dose-balancing advice. Not an angry drunk, so that'd probably be good! Honestly, I'm pretty relaxed about most things, it's just art that makes me angry in a way basically nothing else does.

>>7684414
Anon...

>>7684468
Pyc (post your cousin)

>>7684466
okay maybe i'll try that

>>7684457
just look at many references and draw the shapes correctly and practice. then do the same thing from memory. its almost like a doctor studying anatomy, actually its literally the same. you did pretty damn well for being fresh into it. just keep on drawing and dont worry too much about mistakes for now. most of it is just hard work and time spent. staying on track is the most important advice i could give, there will be struggles and frustration along the way, but thats part of the package.

some studies
>>7684455
thanks for the feedback

>>7684467
I usually use one 10mg capsule of balanced THC:CBN. You can get capsules in lower doses I think, like 2.5mg, if that's necessary. Alternatively you could look into infused oils for even finer control of the dose.

I don't really take it for anger reasons, just to lower my inhibition so I can get more experimental and loose. Ultimately your long term goal should be to find how to make drawing a fun activity. Doodling without much care for accuracy is a good start.

>>7684245
Stop trying to invent your own style for face and proportions.
You are going to spend years trying to make it into something popular and appealing when you could just study some artists you like.
You got the technical skill but you are still severely lacking in appeal.

>>7684447
lol no I have been drawing for years and am still FUCKING TRASH.

Permabegschizo back at it again

>>7684459
jerk off before drawing

>>7684484
Is it me...??

>>7684346
She has a delicate femininity to her, good job anon

>>7684357
Very nice anon, you have clean purposeful line work

>>7684481
I was trying to copy this style, but I guess I'm not good enough at copying yet.

>>7684498
the eylids are thicker and more rectangular and you could try moving your moth closer to the nose, that might improve the likeness. i guess youre digital, i'd just move them there for now and do that little correction with the upper lids/lashes. and your hair could be less detailed and more stylized. you'll get there, just keep at it.

drawing is more fun as of late

>>7684511
fucking badass. reminds me that spooktober isnt far away, my favorite holiday

>>7684498
I have seen you copy inanimate objects almost perfectly.

I got rapemogged in a public canvas tday. I feel bad.

>>7684234 (OP)

i didn't know how i wanted this lit when it was just line art. so i just filled the base colors in first and then i figured the energy balls would be the light sources. so i tried to light both characters with both light sources. the faces of the forms facing the lights are the brightest and then the shadows were the farthest away parts or the parts that the light wouldn't reach. but clearly something isn't right. if you can ignore the anatomy issues for now, in particular i'm confused on how to light their faces. maybe im just confused about the planes of the head in dragonball but this is really eluding me. maybe it's because the background? maybe it's because i didn't use rim lighting? the values and the hues both look completely wrong to me but i can't specifically understand why.

i took about 2 years off drawing it shows. it's a lot tougher than i thought to jump back in.

>>7684523
I can copy things somewhat decently, but I still can't into appeal. I think appeal is like talent, some people can produce it almost effortlessly, their five minute doodles have more charm than the pieces I spend hours working on. I've done dozens of studies like pic related and yet I haven't been able to steal the appeal of a better artist, instead people keep telling me that my drawings are ugly, and I honestly agree, I don't think I'd save drawings in my style if I saw them in the wild. I guess in a way I too am a permabegschizo.

>>7684545
maybe do more small and fast doodling?

>>7684545
Just coppy down to every last fucking line a good artist.
You can write but your handwriting is ugleh. Just copy someone's elses.

I felt lost at times but I think I arrived to something decent.
Maybe the brush choice wasn't the best for the lineart but eh, wanted to try something different.

>>7684255

>>7684498
I recommend you let some of your references at side when you are drawing and try to get closer of it. [spoiler]Although I should follow this tip myself[/spoiler]

>>7684573
kino

>>7684234 (OP)
>Finally, some good fucking OP

I'm such an imbecile. I was getting lost just getting back to my hotel room i was yesterday in Montreal from my Incel walk.
I have no sense of direction. I drew this.

>>7684389
>6 gorillion years for this

Magpies!

>>7684573
Splendid

>>7684598
cuties

>>7684576
This nigga tried to spoiler in /ic/

Slowly advancing with this, advice welcome.

>>7684576
uncannily reminds me of my ex

>>7684603
be patient...

I love drawing tits, I hope to master it one day

>>7684629
I wish you good blessings on your journey anon, your goal will realized

>>7684389
you could get so much mileage from getting a ref for those meme paw hands

>>7684382
source or dunning kruger?

>>7684641
post em
>Just the paws
Everything is trash

finally found a way to draw the side profile that i enjoy. watch out

>>7684412
>fuck me sidewaysthat is depressing
>i think we have it rather good here,
yeah, honestly i was never able to improve my drawing before finding this board so i'm pretty happy it exists overall

>>7684629
excellent boobas. hands look small even with the perspective though

>>7684609
not a furry but looks good to me

>>7684586
i can't tell what she's doing with her legs, if she's sitting then the right leg wouldn't be crossed on top of the other if the left leg is extended downward

>>7684568
looks great! good job

>>7684538
i don't know enough about lighting to answer most of this but i know with sources of light as close to the subjects as that that you should be pushing darker values harder. overall i think you need to follow more reference, you can't make shabby ki balls like that

>>7684665
i havent rendered the ki balls yet. thats a place holder, i want to get their skin right.

>>7684667
probably should make that sort of thing clear in your posts. either way it seems like you’re overcomplicating it for the level you’re at when you could find a reference for what you’re trying to do and use the colors from it

>>7684609
advance into a woodchipper

>>7684234 (OP)
I'm sure this has been asked this, but is it common to skip traditional drawing for digital? I remember seeing somewhere I should practice fundamentals and all that on pencil first, but I imagine the medium is actually just pure preference?

I'd like to ask you, what can I improve?
The poses were from my imagination, so they look a bit stiff. I'm having trouble drawing the shapes of the heads and hair.

>>7684684
paper has a nicer grip than (etched-)glass, so you're more in control of your lines
some devices apply a default amount of stabilization to your strokes, so there's more disconnect between what your hand is doing and what actually happens on screen (especially noticible in the iPad / Procreate in my experience)
starting trad also prevents you from a couple of beg traps (over relying on ctrl-z / liquify / transform)
but none of those really matter if you don't like drawing traditionally, so pick whatever will get you drawing the most

>>7684234 (OP)
Is it normal that I don't feel like drawing at all this weekend? It's just that I feel like I don't want to, my hand doesn't get up to take a pencil, but at the same time I feel guilty and anxious because I'm wasting my time. Has anyone had a similar condition?

Done

>>7684603
I really didn't know about that...
I'm tired, but hatching in digital turned out to be so fun.

>>7684721
The only way to get through it is to force yourself to draw. The more you put it off the worse it gets. Just draw literally anything. Half ass a sketch. But make sure you never break your habit of drawing.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7684729
i agree with this sentiment, its the only reason i'm on a roll.

>>7684717
>some devices apply a default amount of stabilization to your strokes, so there's more disconnect between what your hand is doing and what actually happens on screen (especially noticible in the iPad / Procreate in my experience)
I take it there's a way to adjust this stabilization to be more accurate to my own strokes if I wanted? Or will it depend on the device or program?
>starting trad also prevents you from a couple of beg traps (over relying on ctrl-z / liquify / transform)
I can probably force myself to use erase tools instead if I want to practice without those.

>>7684538
hmm yes local light sources are very tricky
I think if i squint mine kinda looks like what it was supposed to look like

>>7684255
Mr Bug

>>7684743
More like Mr. MOG

this there is no catharsis, my punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself; no new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This study has meant nothing

>>7684748
The most bottom left have some appeal. Paint it. Full piece, render now.

Nothing works, talent, genetic determinism, IQ, call it what you want, but the gift of drawing determines whether you can draw normally or will remain so permaprebeg

>>7684760
The gift of drawing is cool. But the gift from the gods and muses, a blessing, a beautiful blessing. Essential to the all artists and creator. Open your heart and your mind, let your soul be free and open to accept their guidance, the ideas will come, maybe during shower, maybe midnight when you about to fall asleep, maybe visions, vivid visions, all you have to do is use your gift and execute. We all going to make it!

>>7684760
>Nothing works
Especially not you, lol.

>>7684760
>>7684389

>>7684735
arm too small, retard

Magma is pretty good.
ALMOST 3 HOURS IN THIS FUCKING SYMBOL DRAWN FLAT PERMABEG PIECE OF SHIT.

Am a fucking retarded or is this really complicated?
https://youtu.be/yj8tww-mONg

>>7684760
its called finding the right brush settings ;)

>>7684774

>>7684598
Never seen 'pies that blue

>>7684778
Now I get what people mean when they say I draw "wide".
As if I didnt have enough problems already. Fucking worthless trash.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
GODFUCKING DAMN IT. I AM FUCKING HOPELESS GARBAGE.
IT IS FLAT. IT IS WIDE. IT HAS NO FANCY PERSPECTIVE. COLOURS ARE SHIT.
EVERYTHING IS FUCKING TRASH.

>>7684782
it wasnt wide just assymetrical retard
bind a key to mirror and do it every 10 seconds

>>7684783
lmao so I cant even see the fucking redlined errors properly. Fucking amazing.

>>7684781
europe/asia

I tried. How to improve and fix it?

>>7684781
>>7684788
Yep, I made them for my Croatian friend, based on the ones she'd actually see. I didn't realize they could be so vibrant either.

>>7684602
thank you :3

Another day, another mog...

>>7684789
Forehead is too large. No shadow from the brim on his forehead. No cheek shading. Jaw is too recessed relative to the reference. Ears are shorter on the finished drawing than they are on the ref.

Honestly not bad though dude. I don't point these things out to demotivate you, I think you should just try again.

The good news is you could actually fix the jaw, shading and hat without having to redraw everything. People will probably jump down your throat over the eyes too but you can make a convincing Pattinson by just fixing those 3 things.

>>7684791
>>7684788
We have Eurasian Magpies here, I know they have iridescent feathers but not like this. looks cool

>>7684798
>Forehead is too large
Thanks to the Loomis balls

>>7684684
you'll end up a crutch artist like a lot of people here who is dependent on lasso tool
none of the people here who progressed quickly could draw traditional because a part of their progression has been dependence on online programs

>>7684665
yeah i rather get screamed at that i should imrpove my lines or that im a silly /beg/ than just hearing ''its good''
while my art in such cases was clearly a pile of cold shit

>>7684723
this made me erect
good job :3

>>7684776
oh man you dont wanna know how much less i struggle these days now i found actual nice brushes
>>7684721
it can happen when you get burned out a little
just wait a day or scribble some nothings but try to take it up everyday again

>>7684782
You're right. You're hopeless garbage. Never post here again, never draw again.

>>7684782
it’s crazy how you became somewhat decent at drawing and still don’t have eyes

>>7684855
Blind intuition is wild sometimes, speaking from experience

>>7684789
HARK! TRITON! HARK! YOU TAKE YE DOODLIN AND YOU DOODLE OVER IT BUT BETTER. 'TIS BUT A MERE SKETCH YE SEE! NOW YE GO FOR PRECISE SIZES AND ANGLES! DONT LOOK AT THE FACE OF THE YOUNG LAD LIKE A FACE BUT A COLLETIVE OF SHAPES! TRY FLIPPIN OVER THE REFERENCE AND DRAW ONLY WHAT YE SEE! ANGLES, SHAPES, SIZES, SHADOWS, NEGATIVE SPACE, IT'LL ALL COME TO LIGHT....HOUSE!

Not really art but the graphic design board is dead so might as well ask here
The text was too small so I made it bigger and now it looks kinda weird
is it poor execution or just a bad composition

>>7684862
Why is the axe backwards, also the right one looks better

>>7684863
NTA but that's how Raskolnikov killed the landlady.

>>7684863
in the book he uses the blunt part of the axe to kill the lady

>>7684865
>>7684866
Ah shit my bad, didnt know this, disregard that bit then

>>7684862
Looks better than the left one but the composition is definitely weak. Is this supposed to be a book cover?

>>7684862
might use the under and uperside of the axe for a slightly bigger size? crime at the lower part and punishment on the upside? it should still be readable since its left to right and it'll blend in with the axe better while providing slightly bigger text

>>7684868
at first yeah
If you could elaborate on why the composition is weak that would be great
I kinda envision it as more a thumbnail for a summary video or something like that
I tried rearranging it to look more like a book cover

>>7684873
I should make the and smaller but it looks so nice like that

>>7684873
The arms are necessary, this way it's a hard read as an axe. Weak because it didn't work with the canvas dimensions at all, if it's indended to be used in a specific format, you should use that format from the beginning as your canvas.

>>7684306
SEX

>>7684399
more of this slut

>>7684875
yeah I asked ai about it and it thought it was a gun lol

>>7684423
kys

Antinou

>>7684875
I couldnt find anyway to fit the hand so I just made it look more like an axe
does this look any better

Who wants help, based redline drawer here, you will be graded and redline. Left hand edition

>>7684862
>>7684873
Ngl, I don't think the idea is good to begin with. By putting AND in the axe, you're giving the less relevant word the most importance/visibility, despite "crime" and "punishment" being in bright red.
Putting "and" in the axe also is also forcing you to flip the letters 90° right, which doesn't look good nor reads well with the rest of the text.

>>7684898
so its not salvageable?

>>7684889
oh me pls!! im brand new here. just started proko this week & did this as a continuation of the 'draw from imagination' part of the line section

(i was doing red-winged blackbirds >>7683798 >>7683594 >>7684355 )

i meant for this to be a bit cartoonishy

>>7684790
she's extremely beautiful but i would work on proportional accuracy regarding her legs. i have the same problem with making the lower legs too long. you got this! everything besides the lower body is gorgeous
>>7684774
i love magma, that rendering is really good fren
>>7684748
i think you should try identifying what is normal hand movement and what is hypermobile hand movement when studying these too from looking at the one where the thumb is pulled in and do a comparison track to see, may help with the thumb joint issue to try to break it down like that. the rest of the hands look good besides that one and the bent thumbs. i like this brush (I can't draw hands so take this with a grain of salt)
>>7684716
do more observation drawing for a while, you'll get the flow of it. try not to gradient render for now, and remember contrast is really important in rendering (insisting on this because its where I fucked up my most recent painting attempts) look for references with dramatic light and squint to see how they're broken down, it helps analyzing so much
>>7684421
thanks peril!
>i was expecting her to be strong
oh, he's already built up such expectations for her because of his love. how tragic.. he's already made a narrative about her in his head and expecting her to follow it! that's only going to make this harder.

also redline person i guess you can do any of the ones i linked you think are best to redline
your choice!

I tried one last try and Yeah I think its not salvageable

>>7684255
not a big fan of bug refs, or animals other than horses.
I'm a simple man, I want to draw human figures.

I'm a bit sour, because some stingy mod banned for a day for posting the executive order thread.
The most important news for /ic/ of the month, if not year.
But apparently it wasn't directly art critique (half the threads on this cursed board aren't).
Therefore a belated bug post.

>>7684573
color really makes it pop, well done.

>>7684511
very cool. Lore accurate Severian.

>>7684444
the left picture required plenty of creative decision making - possibly even more, because for the right one there's plenty of material to study the style

>>7684380
very skillful use of water color

>>7684927
>>7684255

of course I had to forget to attach my bug.
Here it is!

>>7684380
fuck you

>>7684723
more like Moobstrap Bill, amirite?

>>7684255
Did ok. Was a nice change from the usual whores

>>7684255
ran out of time to render before I had to get ready, very annoying

>>7684942
LOOK AT 'IM GO!

>>7684942
What's this?

>>7684963
my hand slipped BAD lol
>>7684961
he's having a ball

500 hours of deliberate practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zrv8RXSQcU

>>7684970
500 hours is really only a small amount of time

>>7684970
well it's an improvement

>>7684971
yeah, he's only 5% to his goal of 10k hours

>>7684380
Very nice work! Nice to see something besides anime girls, and done this well.

>>7684970
This guy is not at a level to be lecturing

Well here is another try
Maybe I should start being less creative at least for now until I learn more fundamentals

>>7684906
talented rat

>>7684978
Using a font with variable letter width vertically should in itself be a crime.

>>7684629
Long way to go retard

>>7684981
cant learn without making mistakes

>>7684970
damn the sketch and original lighting idea weren't bad, idk why he ditched it for the confusing pillowshading in the final piece

>>7684970
mfw I put 500 hours in and still am low beg

>>7684987
is this any better? again any feedback is nice and no need to be nice
the and is a little unreadable I am aware

>>7684989
it's difficult to break bad habits
and besides, ruining paintings is also part of learning

>>7684993
Stop putting the and in the axe and do something else

>>7684993
Sorry anon but this is just bad. Three completely different fonts, none of which fit the book already bricks this design. This looks worse than self-published amazon books.
Read week 1 stuff on design and composition and try again.

>>7684997
>Read week 1 stuff on design and composition and try again.
list some

>>7684992
i don't think you people realize how little 500 hours is, that's like drawing daily for an hour for a year and a half

>>7685000
On composition I recommend Bill Perkins' course.

>>7684987
>>7684993
Each word having a different font, style and orientation is big nono.
I'd focus on readability and add style later.

>>7684790

>>7684909
It seems to me that they are not so much too long as they are EXTRA THICK. Well, not sure if i can fix it now without redraw the whole scene.

>>7685004
okay I am downloading it right now
if you can elaborate on why the composition is bad om the meanwhile that would be great

Can you guys give me a sort-of process for painting?
Not just doing lineart > painting, but fully painting in color.

I just don't understand it, and just like pic related, I start blocking some colours, it already look bad, then I try to include some shadows / lights, but I just can't get a grasp of everything and I give up because I get frustrated and don't feel like I'm making progress.

>>7685009
But I like the "and" being the blood on the axe can that ever work

>>7685010
Use reference

>>7685010
there's a good chapter on med's map on painting alla prima
but the short is: use ref, do a bunch of value studies first, then do paintings with a very limited palette

>>7685010
https://youtu.be/5KYAsXuG3SM
https://youtu.be/iwRa5qTnr8o

>>7685009
Boring, ugly centerpiece, text weirdly close to the edges, no space for author's name, plain #FFF background

>>7685008
idk. I like long better lol, its add some perspective feel and I can use background later to enhance it.

>>7684993
use the fucking letters to form the axe, how hard can it be. get a little creative with it

>>7685001
he should be better in reality. he either learned wrong or lies.

>>7685001
That's a lot of time, tho. I only draw a couple hours every weekend or so. Wish I could do it daily.

>>7685024
learning without a teacher / mentor / peers can really slow you down due to a lack of feedback
a simple "you are doing this wrong, try this instead" from someone you trust could save hundreds of hours

>>7685021
if its not hard then I welcome you to try and do it yourself and post it here shitface
>>7685015
>boring
that doesn't help how do I make it not boring
>ugly centerpiece
you mean the axe is ugly?

>>7685031
anyway I am gonna watch that course you talked about

>>7684716
You have an extreme tilt problem, it's visible even from the thumbnail. The easiest fix is flipping your canvas frequently.
Your coloring and lines are also very sloppy, just cleaning them up will make the drawing look better.

Anybody know of any semi-realistic art comics, preferably not colored/the characters don't all have sameface?S8

>>7685041
The Boys is so incosistent with faces that even individual characters don't have sameface syndrome lmao. Great comic though.
I really like Blacksad's art as well.
Dunno what you mean by semi-realistic because I've seen it used in a thousand different ways so I just listed two I like.

>>7684978
after looking at it again yes this looks like shit but I am still not convinced this also looks terrible
>>7684916

>>7685031
i wasnt meant to be rude, but jesus, its such an easy idea and the letters fit perfectly. now do it good and use my shitty sketch as basis

>>7685045

Close to realistic, maybe a bit stylized, not manga/cartoony.

Jim Lee is far too ink-y for me. And his style is so overdone by people it's kinda boring desu.

>>7685048
it could work but then it wouldn't be readable and I am back at square one

>>7685049
Vagabond or Real

>>7685048
this also looks like shit the letters just look like a pattern at this point you cant cram everything onto the axe

>>7684993
I did a quick Google search for Crime and Punishment, and do you know how many covers feature an axe? It's a hacky, overdone motif. This looks like one of those terrible "minimalist" movie posters that were making rhe rounds years ago.

>>7685058
you can, he just hasnt tried it and played with it and the outline can be easily left out if done right. its essentially his starting idea to use the axe form, but better. you can even use the two font idea by seperating crime and punishment, making the handle longer.

Drawing from imagination is hard.

>>7684982
I hope so, I look forward to it

>>7685041
Asano Inio (old works, new more grotesque)

>>7685041
Vagabond

>>7685048
This is even worse nigga

>>7685078
its just a preliminary sketch, of course its bad, but its his basic idea. i aint putting in the work for him, thats his exercise

Finally finished :>

Mz asshole is it h

>>7684976
"this guy" is one of us, here on /ic/. Show some respect!

>>7684942
ha, nice

>>7684889
>>7684774

>>7684970
this is god's punishment for shipping chunli and ryu (shittiest fucking ship ever)

>>7684970
MOGS ME

>>7684774
50 FUCKING GORILLION YEARS TO BE PERMABEG.

>havent drawn in almost a week
>dont even feel like doing it
>after 2 years of drawing my art gets on average 2-20 likes unless its fanart for niche things
>gotten maybe 20 followers total
i just cant do it man, i know im not supposed to numberfag and just focus on the art itself but so much of my motivation comes from providing things for other people, and knowing despite nearly 2 years of constant work that barely anyone cares hurts so much and makes me wonder if its even worth it

>>7685108
Quit

>>7685086
Cute but the background needs more work. You laid down the base shading to indicate she's laying on a soft surface but there's not enough depth in it to sell that she's sinking into it. The hair and straps of her shirt also aren't quite interacting with the surface correctly. They make it look like she's floating over it. Keep the points they would make contact with the background in mind and how that would effect their shape.

is the hair shit i cant tell

>>7685108
kill yourself

>>7685111
Thank you for the crit!

>>7685108
you have to use honey to catch the flies. mingle a little, network. you cant just hope people come on their own, for that you'd have to be REALLY good

>>7685108
love your self and stay

If you're going for realism, your art should apparently look 3D/form-ish even in just the sketch phase apparently. My shit always looks kinda flat/way off. Is it because of my lack of line weight? I don't have anything to show currently but is that how it's done without shading/rendering?

I've seen people make realistic looking lineart/sketches by construction, but when I do the same it always looks off. It doesn't help for me that when constructing the face, idk wtf to do next especially wanting to draw comics. All the lines/planes constructing the face and then it's like "what next".

>>7685112
too detailed i'd argue, too much grey making it stand out from the leafs. not bad on its own, just too much.

>>7685108
pyw
>>7684909
>i think you should try identifying what is normal hand movement and what is hypermobile hand movement when studying these too from looking at the one where the thumb is pulled in and do a comparison track to see
Ive been doing that for months it just doesnt click
The issue with the thumb is that it rotates and moves at the same time each thumb position has exactly one angle it rotates into automatically

>>7684987
This is my favorite so far. Great idea anon. I tried a few variations too on picrel
>>7684438
>i cant wait to know whats written there
It is that interesting that you ask that. I'm thinking that not ever knowing what the cards say is a big part of the allure and the mystery. Everyone has a personal idea of what the card says about her. (Also that means she never breaks..)

>>7684909
>oh, he's already built up such expectations for her because of his love. how tragic.. he's already made a narrative about her in his head and expecting her to follow it! that's only going to make this harder.
Heh heh, I love the feedback it is quite useful, it gives me new angles to analyze the situation wich I didn't thought of. Yes, she has her own personality traits, that may surprise him later, though he's quite clever and he can know things about her already based on how she reacts to his interrogation. But I'm spoiling myself. lol

>>7685121
not the OP but most people have this hobby because they hate people. Certainly in my experince everyone I have met is nasty and narcsistic online and offline when my only intention was to be kind. I would much rather try to grind and get good then mingle with someone who already looks down on me. been there, done that.

>>7685129
>Certainly in my experince everyone I have met is nasty and narcsistic online and offline
its really weird. what sites have you been browsing? i have the opposite experience. but yeah, i do agree that the grinding approach is the better one in general. getting praised a lot, especially at midbeg-earlyint level might get you to stagnate and not continue your efforts to expand.

well this is my last try
I tried to make it more simple
I will watch that composition course to see If I will get anything from it

>>7684970
>"practices" 500 hours
>devotes less than10 hours to avtual work
>symmetry tool
Into the trash it goes

>>7685131
>what sites have you been browsing?
4chan

>>7685121
>network
wdym, i have artist friends but none of them ever rt my stuff
>>7685125
>pyw
heres some recent things (i used a png combiner so idk if the quality will be good)

>what will make my street fighter drawing more dynamic and appealing?
I know! Brown tones and airbrushing!

>>7685137
>but none of them ever rt my stuff
not your friends then

>>7685136
lol. this site is a cesspit. i still love it, but most people here have no idea what theyre talking about. especially in the generals its just a circlejerk of kaffeeklatsch tier conversations barely focusing on the topic at hand.

>>7684380
Way too good for this general
Leave this shit hole and never come back, save yourself

>>7685139
you forgot the boring, non fighting pose. comparatively, his earlier drawings are better just for being more ambitious and fun. never forget to have fun, anons

>>7684970
And they still deny the existence of the Untalent Entity

>>7685151
you draw the same things for hundreds of hours, nothing will change. expand your horizon

>>7685151
If you're the permabeg know that your drawings have literally improved over the past few months. You are not as stuck as you think you are

>>7685151
Also known as the Anti-Talent and The One Who Never Improves

>keep telling myself to post my work on a blog
>keep delaying it because???
I hate 'tism

>>7685163
you're taking yourself too seriously, just grab a couple of sketches and click post

>>7685142
i dont really wanna go "pleaseeeee retweet my stuff" though because then the friendship just becomes transactional

>>7685132
This may be the best one and the more "pro" looking one, but the other design is much more attractive and it would pop up a lot more over other book covers around.
If it is just a graphic design homework exercise, this red and black cover would be the right choice to please the teacher rating the design.

>>7685168
>then the friendship just becomes transactional
That's every relationship in life, ever. There is no way around it. Personally I just dont play the game.

>>7685132
>>7685170
I must be a teacher then cause this is the nicest looking one, looks like something youd actually see in a bookstore

>>7685168
Sometimes the person don't know if you're comfortable with your stuff being retweeted, so try saying you want more followers

started following brent eviston's course. he recommends using the overhand grip to get lighter, conscious strokes which is definitely something i need to work on. but i don't have a stand or something to prop up my paper or sketchbook so i don't know how easy it is to do with my canvas lying flat and i'm also worried if it might cause discomfort over time.
is there an alternative way to hold the pencil for my case?

>>7685173
>looks like something youd actually see in a bookstore
Exactly. It conforms the established norm. Though, if you're some sort of natural entrepreneur taking risks is important to make a hit in the market.

>>7684857
>>7684855
There is no INTUITION.
I used many refs and it still came out mediocre.
I cant draw or see properly....

How the hell do I make features/etc look more form/3D like with the "less is more" approach? Especially when you're trying to imply certain forms. Mine always just look like random lines on the face

>>7685177
Extended tripod/paintbrush grip might work for you. Basically a normal pencil grip but way higher on the pencil

>>7685188
see >>7684444

>>7685188
Unironically talent.

>>7685193
>....How does this explain anything?

>>7685108
nigga 2 years? start feeling sorry for yourself after 5 years minimum. you piss me off

>>7685200
>5 years
Try 12 years

>>7685188
copy an artist that you think does this

>>7685201
12? Try 20

>>7685201
>>7685204
at least you guys aren't complaining about it (to my knowledge)

final red-winged blackbird imagination for now.
I think i might try doing opossums before moving on past the imagination project w/ proko

any tips on how to improve this/make it more impactful?

Just bought a tablet, I'm a complete beginner and well I know I am but how do I learn completely? I'm checking out books on the sticky but that's a lot, I am motivated though. I wanna learn to draw and then paint, what do I do now?

>>7685211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5AV42mgAe0

>>7685213
Thank you! both traditional and my tablet? or just one?

>>7685211
>what do I do now?
draw.
>>7685207
>any tips on how to improve this/make it more impactful?
keep drawing. youre doing good. most of the time getting better just means repeating lots of different stuff to ingrain it into your memory and intuition.

>>7685211
what do you want to draw

>>7684774
>cant draw eyes
>just skip drawing them
come on bro

>>7685222
Good question, this one in my mind (...) would have been something Moebius like but it really wasnt, dont mind though. I wanna draw people, creatures, machines, porn!?, fanart, and do actual paintings

>>7685121
yeah, i didnt get followers at all till i started actually socializing with people
ofcourse
>>7685128
both is good imo, sometimes its better to never know bc the person can fill in the blanks themselves but im too curious XD

>>7685137
pick better vtubers than these then
jokes aside, the account I posted vtuber art never broke 200 followers, but my general art one is bigger and gets an honest amount of likes (about 10% of my total follows) in average
it's not worth fussing over it so much when the platform itself is fucked like deviantAIart and shitter.

>>7685231
> i didnt get followers at all till i started actually socializing with people
>"Hey dude! Love your stuff, you have earned youself a follow! (please follow me back:( )"
Lame, fake and gay

The pie got hands, my brain could not keep track of the shapes

>>7685137
To be honest with you, your art is just too beg to get followers, that bat one was good but i think you'll need to keep that quality and go higher than that
>but i saw bad art with followers
That's mostly luck and maybe the right fandom, for each beg with followers there will be 1000 that you don' see because doesn'te even appear to you. Btw try using that art moots hashtag so other you other small artists will help you

>>7684234 (OP)
https://youtu.be/begje1oJKkw

>>7685237
keep telling yourself that

>>7685237
then dont be fake. actually say something about their art, what you like foremost and get into conversation. its a lot easier since its text based and you can even look stuff up and it doesnt even have to relate to the drawing, but the subject of the drawing or the style used.
>this reminds me of how so and so paints
>i could really see this in a serialized comic
etc. add flavour to your conversation and dont just let it be an exchange of platitudes. thats of course, if you want to go the cheap way and have another excuse not to grind daily, just to gain an audience. yikes!

>>7685256
Why even reply when your response was so bereft of substance?

>>7685257
you explained it better than i could

>>7685257
>dont just let it be an exchange of platitudes
thats every conversation with every human regardless of the context. I'm not playing that game.

>>7685207
here, i did this raven again i referenced yesterday for my warmup, but now from memory and rather quickly. the form came out pretty cool. you can either follow the course youve been doing, because it seems to be effective for you, or just wing it a little, have fun (hehehe, "wing" it). look up what you want to draw, copy it, then do it from memory right after and the day after and so on. doing them from imagination requires study of the subjects forms and lenghts etc. and you only get that from copying them. in the end its just requires a lot of work, but it should also be fun, as said earlier

>>7685270
yea im def going to continue with the course because i want to learn all the skills properly
these 'draw from imagination' things ive been doing are part of the line section of the course, to learn to have confident lines

i want to do an opossum just because i feel mammals are a little different. but then after that just continue on with the course

>>7685251
me on the top left, pointing at the sexy ladies

found out guild wars 1 is still around
got nostalgic and bought it and played for a couple hours
very surreal feeling, I haven't played it since middle school in like 2008 (I'm old)
decided to draw my new character who is a mesmer which is a cool gaslight gatekeep girlboss type class
also apparently the ferentus fan restoration thing is active and that was from when I was even younger, I'm gonna give that a shot and may try drawing that character
I remember a guy in that game asking me to meet him irl and my dad said no, probably the only good parenting decision he ever made lol

>Pinterest censoring up goofy spooky drawings
>but goonerslop is alright though
I fucking hate the internet nowadays, on GOD

>>7685281
idk just searching abusive yaoi pulls up stuff that's unpalatable, doesn't seem like they're going too hard on the censorship

>>7685132
While an slight improvement over the previous covers, now it looks like a generic cover for a mystery or horror novel. Is this all that you took away from reading the novel? You did read the novel, didn't you?

that lower hand had an attitude

>>7685279
how old are you then?

(also make his hairline somehwat higher)

bonus pose ref
bc i liked it

>People tell me that I can't draw and I should give up
>I actually draw
>Then they switch up the excuse and say that because I took too long and took 400 replies to get a tiny sketch done I should give up
>I draw another thing
>They still say I should give up

Okay, so what will convince you fucks that I want to draw?

>>7685287
I did
I am trying to incorporate the guilt he felt in the cover but this is currently what I got
and it looks retarded after I finish my meal I think I have a half decent idea to work on

i hate when I mean to post here and accidentally post in random threads in the catalogue because I clicked wrong

>>7685289
>hairline higher
good advice desu
>how old
like 14 I think in 08, ferentus probably like 11 or 12. this was around the time I'd starting erping with guys, but he wasn't one of them lol. he was just more forward I guess

I like the pondering monkey, his paw looks a little stubby though if I could give what stands out to me

>>7685285
>meanwhile some creepypasta ass looking drawing gets removed for inciting violent depictions
What a fucking joke

>>7685285
is that shigaraki and all for one

>have an iPad for a year now
>never got a proper apple pen
>dupe is 1/10 the price
>no brainer
>buy procreate and try it out
>all brushes only have 1 pressure state
>think it’s just how procreate is and I need to adjust (I miss sai)
>work with the pen just fine after a while
>becomes my default way of drawing
>one YEAR later
>watch a 7s TikTok
>”wait how do you do it with your brush”
>”wym”
>”the change of pressure”
>”just press my pen harder…?”
>check online
>holy shit no way

I’ve been drawing on my tablet for a year without pressure control in my pen and just found out it’s not how it’s supposed to be lmfao
Ordered an actual apple pen today (secondhand), we’ll see the difference tomorrow
I’m so retarded jfc

>People tell me that I can't draw and I should give up
>I actually draw
>Then they switch up the excuse and say that because I took too long and took 400 replies to get a tiny sketch done I should give up
>I draw another thing
>They still say I should give up

Okay, so what will convince you fucks that I want to draw?

>>7684774
>>7684778
Why is this so mediocre? Is there anything salvageable?
What sets it aside from good artwork?

>>7685289
cool monke. have you ever drawn a monke riding cloud?

>>7685303
oh damn, i was around 12 in 08, so we dont differ that much

i kinda miss those old days on theinternet
> I'd starting erping with guys, but he wasn't one of them lol. he was just more forward I guess
ahh yeah, there always that one dude

>his paw looks a little stubby though
yeah i could give it more edges, :3

>>7685301
they look soft :3
what happened to their fur tho?

>>7685314
boring pose, hiding the face and arms/hands, no background etc. the basics are there to build upon, the will doesnt seem to be there to expand. its really sad that the thread pounces on the guy so much, but he just doesnt seem to listen. like a dog that keeps chasing its tail

>>7685311
why do you need to convince random people online

>>7684552
I'll experiment with it.
>>7684563
I think I'll take the advice someone here gave me and copy entire manga volumes with artstyle I like, I already have some artist in mind.
>>7684576
I almost always draw with refs.

>>7685315
actually, not really, the closest is this thing

>>7685331
dont do the volumes, just good pages and panels. theres no need to copy all of it, it'll burn you out i would assume

>>7685065
If you want to get better draw something that isn’t gooner slop. Also your line control is terrible and your proportions suck so maybe start there.

>>7685124
the leaves were a rough sketch im working on the crown now it weel also be overdetailed to make the smooth face stand out

>>7685250
>To be honest with you, your art is just too beg to get followers
is it just bad overall, or bad in comparison to where i should be at almost 2 years? i agree that my art isnt good though, i really dont like anything ive done and it makes it that much harder to draw

>>7685344
oh, then it'll work fine. gud job

>>7685137
rt as in Twitter or Tumblr? I am sure you could do decently fine on Tumblr if you ask me, at least compared to X

>>7685335
thanks for the advise

>>7685317
There is no escape from permabegness.

>>7685359
No blackpills here

>>7684881
no u lolipedo

>>7685361
>>7684774
Look at this trash and tell me God exists.

>>7685279
>>7685316

Based fellow oldbro's.

I long to return to the early/mid 2000's.

Cute character btw. Never played GW myself but always like the art direction.

>>7685344
ngl I kinda really dig the juxtaposition between the very well rendered shading of the rest of the piece and how rough and blank the leaves are here.

>>7685347
I don't even think it's bad, it's just beg so it means it's not "special" enough to catch peoples attention, as i said, that bat was good but needs some improving. You could probably gain followers with that art but you'll need to make more coombait and find the right fandom/gimmick

>>7685310
if that is your work youre gonna be unstopable once the pen arrives
also blog??

>>7685366
theres Dionysus right here 8 replies up

>>7685347
your art is fine, but you just need a unique rendering style and you could get followers

I don’t like drawing backgrounds, but I have to learn

I hate drawing background’s, but I have to learn eventually

>>7685347
it isnt ugly but what you need it something to stand out
likr what >>7685385 says or maybe different line style,
something that screams ''oh thats ''___'' art ''

I dont know about the cross covering part of the title
also Yes I know the difference between the crosses I am just too lazy to draw the other one

Can having too much pencil graphite on a page interfere with ink?

>>7685393
not really draw but you get what I mean

>>7685391
good example, mid art, but great style dustbinrat on twitter.

I dont think I will ever be good enough to stop hating everything I do.

>>7685400
then you are not drawing things you enjoy

>>7685393
okay I should really go away from the axe and try something else now

>>7685391
>>7685385
so pretty much i need to majorly focus on improving my lighting/rendering/coloring? how come some artists who just do line sketches pop off?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>7685391
>>7685411
oh that's permabegschizo's art

>>7685408
well I think once you have followers you can get good engagement from sketches but to build followers you gotta grind out some nicely rendered stuff

>Uniform inspection

I tried drawing her from slightly above front angle. I haven't really drawn her head from that angle . How does she look?

>>7685417
It looks like she’s bending over, did you use a reference, or just draw from imagination?

>>7685417
needs more foreshortening

>>7685388
dis is purdy cool though. i like the teal

>>7685401
I draw what I like but I am disappointed in it being trash all the time.

>>7685412
idk who that is but i dont post my art enough here to be a named person

>>7685418
both. the lower body and head was mostly from imagination. I used my older drawings as help little and I used this drawing of her as help too >>7673545 for the upper body even thought the angle is a bit different
>>7685419
it was a little difficult. i tried my best :D

>>7685417
This looks great. The only detail you could improve are the folds on her shirt going in her pants. Instead of vertical, the folds should be slightly horizontal.

>>7685403
I lied
no idea if the eyes make sense at least I am certain their placement sucks

>>7685427
Thank you!

>>7685393
I kinda dig this one, I'm a sucker for that shadow gimmick. If we were seeing the cross from above a bit more I think the axe would be more readable. Sketchy pic related.
Covering the title does not work. "and" looks out of place - keep the smaller size, but use caps. Serif font looks good imo.
>>7685428
I also like this one, but:
>I'd ditch the eyes, that space could be occupied by the title
>shadow does not read as an axe because it has two legs and a wide ass top/upper-handle/you get it
>dude's missing a hand, that white line to suggest his arm doesn't work quite well

I made it one eye since with multiple eye it just looked like a guy with crossed eyes looking
>>7685393
yeah I forgot to capitalize the and

>>7685443
slight adjustments

>>7685443
>>7685393
>>7685300
>>7685132
>>7685128
>>7684993
>>7684987
>>7684978
>>7684916
>>7684888
This isint a graphic design thread.

How do I do more than just one shitty line art drawing a week? I've been trying to get faster. I want to make hundreds of drawings fast.

>>7685450
you could have replied to one post but instead you wasted your time going through all of them like a retard for some reason
also shitting up the thread how about you post your art to contribute to this 1 pph thread instead of crying about me

>>7685451
Shut up Howie

>>7685452
Look who's getting defensive

>>7685456
>took him 5 minutes to come up with this instead of just posting his art
embarrassing

>>7685458
I already have, i dont need to post it again to point out this isint a graphic design thread

No good

>>7684778
Idk if it’s coherent but maybe you’re gonna find it useful(?) it’s okay if not

>>7685376
Thank you!!
I don’t use social media TvT

>>7685461
Until jannies strike me down I will continue to post whatever the fuck I want here which is wont be for long since I am going to sleep to go to work

>>7685470
>which is wont be for long
I should go to sleep

>>7685465
Blegh

Anyone else prefers only sketching or fineliner work rather than coloring
Maybe just me idk

>>7685467
bro don't put this much effort into trying to help him he's a lost cause

>>7685467
Big mistake.

>>7685467
lmao

>>7685467
based good soul sensei helping the unhelpable. keep staying fresh, pen-order senpai

>>7685467
Am I blind, do I have a shitty monitor or are there no big differences in the recoloring other than the hair?

>>7685470
>I will continue to post whatever the fuck I want here
you shouldnt use this as dumping ground for all your ideas, commie. at least you got more creative towards the end.

>>7685486
both. its warmer now and looks more natural. the skin was looking rather yellow before, now it has a pink hue

>>7685467
This is like trying to feed a homeless who just wants crack money.

>>7685425
Keep it up Cyclops

>>7685487
>>7685484

>>7685484
the colors are a lot more pleasant on the skintone and the clothes as well

>>7685467
What a kind soul, an angel trying to exorcise a hopeless artistic demon

>>7685467
Can you explain what you mean by gradient?

>>7685467
so how do i use gradient to choose colors?

>>7685489
I'll do my best :D

>>7685500
>>7685501
NTA but use a layer set to the overlay blending mode on low opacity clipped to the coloring layer. You can fill it with a solid color or a gradient.

>>7685501
Yeah what did he mean by this?

I haven’t drawn younger versions of my characters Luci and Tobias, so I tried drawing their initial meeting back in 1932, their both around late 60s to early 70s when most of the story shit happens

>>7685509
2012 tumblrina artstyle.

Permabegschizo shouldnt even try to color desu.

is using reference images cheating?

>>7685518
MOGS ME

>>7685509
Is that miku binder Jefferson

>>7685513
his coloring is fine

>>7685524
lol no.
Trying to "color" a permabeg sketch is just polishing a turd.

>>7685467
Can you give actual advice?

>>7685518
Why do you only draw in 1 cm increments? Learn csi lines you maniac.

>>7685518
yeah, as using brushes, grids, stabilization, tutorials, etc
anything that's not a pencil, paper and imagination is cheating

>>7685518
don't draw with a mouse

>>7685528
maybe shes fluffy

>Anon comes out to give advice to a lost cause.
>dozens of anons attack him
Why?

>>7685531
I don't.......

>>7685523
I wish

>>7685538
Then it’s over

>>7684970
ayo new thread challenge?
>>7685467
you responded to the wrong person bud
>>7685518
yes

>>7685543
>No closeup of his thigh sized cock raping her
NGMI

>>7685420
Thanks, teal and green are two of the best colors imo

>>7685543
holy mog batman. what are ye looking for, another critter maybe? how about this gecko on someones hand?

Rough outline. I like the weekends

>>7685543
I wish I had a sense of humor so I could draw this level of appeal

>>7685555
quints of mogging

>>7685132
/pro/

>>7685554
huh?

>>7685543
based, I remember a bunch of redraws when he posted his 200 hour painting

>>7685566
i thought you were asking for a new challenge or is the challenge the chunners mog-a-pocalypse? i dont really want to do street fighter stuff

>>7685574
No i was just calling that guy's ryu x chunli art a thread challenge
>>7684970
pic rel is a microcosm of what's wrong with that guy's artistry
HOW could you not draw the spikes on her bracelets?? It betrays something deeply wrong with his attidute that I can't put into words like
Imagine drawing mario and not drawing the "M" on his hat like that would drive you fucking insane to not do that, how can he draw like that???

>>7685581
because that would mean he would have to give her arms some depth or rather move them further away from her body and he'd have to do the spikes, both more challenging. it's either a mistake or my guess plain laziness, despite this being supposedly a testament to how far he's gotten. just a weird guy, i've skimmed a bit through his other videos and he doesnt seem this bad

>>7685300
I like that one best. Pic related is what I'd do with it.

>>7685581
tbf i think they're drawing sf6 chun li (no spikes)

>>7685588
or

>>7685593
he is doing this in comparison to his older stuff, where she has spikes as you can see on the left two images. another weird thing to go with new designs when doing stuff like this

>>7685593
theyre in the reference he was using!!!
>theyre completely flat just painted on
I think they still have some volume but even if they dont what didnt he paint them???

>>7685601
*why didnt he paint them

>>7685601
limiting his practice to 1 hr a day is building a very bad habit of not dealing with detail and refinement, imo
for all the memes about 'polishing turds', it's something that should also be done once in a while

>>7685513
He won't listen because the Untalent Entity has possessed his mind, that's why he's trapped on the circle of drawing Urabe with big boobs over and over

>>7685036
Excuse me, Anon, what do you mean by moving the canvas?
Should I rotate it so I can make the lines easier? Is there any other advice you can give me?
>>7684909
this type of observation drawings?

Goat from ref. Added color with fixed low opacity brush (15/30/60%). Pretty effective and intuitive imo.

>>7685590
>binary brush
Refined taste. Don't know if you plan on working on it more but it could easily be made more appealing if you tried a bit harder with the pelvis and legs.

comfort zone drawing because I have a migraine and can't focus to save my life
>>7685622
nice goat.

>>7685620
I’d try exaggerating poses so they feel more dynamic. And starting with simple shapes to get proportions right before using boxes

>>7685601
>theyre in the reference
You don't have to slavishly copy everything inside a reference image. They took what they needed from it and made their own (poor) choices for the rest. Not saying it's a good picture, but I don't think their use of reference was improper either.

pre-bath drawing
Gordon Freeman but a cute anime boy instead of sexy dad

>>7685373
it would be nice to go back but there's a lot of stuff I wouldn't want to have to deal with a second time
hell even when I was then the first time, I basically read books nonstop to get away from it all
I do miss how relatively chill things were, I can't imagine how great the 80s or 90s must have been though without the Internet

>>7685662
this was obviously a terrible choice though, like a choice someone doesnt care about the character would make

>>7685631
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>7685631
ugh migraines suck so fucking much I'm still recovering from a recent string of them
take it easy it's ok to lower your standards for yourself when you're in that state, not to preach but that's helped me even outside of art and ik it sounds obvious but it really has helped

>>7685668
monkie !!
>>7685671
i feel like my standards for myself are always too low but thank you. its extremely hard to know when you're allowed to let yourself just doodle whatever and when it's laziness

>>7685663
Cute, reminds me of Taion from xenoblade

>>7685678
I love you boob bro

>>7685678
I know this is the beg thread but maybe work harder on drawings instead of spamming one every couple of hours

>>7685679
yeah iktf
still looks fantastic though, your style sometimes reminds me of the final fantasy 6 concept art guy's style

>>7685680
ty desu
is Xenoblade any good? I played through xenogears earlier this year and it was mostly just alright
I thought Billy and Bart were a cute ship but otherwise the story and plot felt kind of meh and like it dragged on too long
I'm also not a Christian or really that familiar with any abrahamic theology so I'm sure I missed a lot of stuff but for something that gets so much praise I was honestly kind of disappointed. I thought ff8 was much better, or Valkyrie Profile

>>7685686
why do you guys hate people who draw
>>7685695
thank you! i hear that a lot regarding amano, it means a lot since his art is beautiful

>>7685695
Their all master pieces in my opinion. I would recccomend the first one as its story is really intruiging, characters are fun and gameplay is solid.

>>7685446
>>7685300
>>7685132
>>7685393
>>7685393
Fyodor Dostoevsky like horses. He will probably find it fitting to use something like picture related.

Spent too much time on something that was doomed at the undersketch.

>>7685710
that's gorgeous though

>>7684255

moving on from birds

tried to do a study of an opossum. kinda harder to make it feel proper without including the fur but wasnt sure how to do it properly (these projects are meant to be about lines not really shading & stuff so :( need to figure out another way)
would just doing fur lines kinda like how i did the featheriness like here >>7685207 from where the back should be make it better?

>>7685620
Flip the canvas horizontally. Set a keyboard shortcut so you can do it frequently. It makes it easier to notice when your drawing is slanted to one side unintentionally. Rotating the canvas is also a good idea for the reason you mentioned.
Other than that, drawing from reference like you've posted is good, keep doing that. I really like the boxer, you captured the form of his muscles well.

>>7685501
>>7685500
Yeah basically what >>7685505 said, I use procreate so there’s just an adjustment tool to put a gradient on top of your basic colours to even them up, most programs should have something similar. Have fun with it, I experiment a lot

>>7685590
I like this one a lot, all hail the binary brush

>>7685722
neat bug. i'm still working on mine...

>>7685723
yeah those fur/feather lines could work. it looks cute already.

>>7685720
very kind of you, thanks :3

Which is better?

>>7685737
They're both gay

warmups (8x30s, 5x1m, 5x2m, 2x5m)

>>7685739
refs

>>7685725
To illustrate it, for example, this drawing I started with just red and black, then duplicated, played with adjustments, layer options, masks, then rendered a little. It helps me keep things interesting bc I’m not keen on overall painting/rendering process at all bc after a while it becomes too “polished” and looks wonky/too patchy if that makes sense.

>>7685737
What’s happening in 1? I don’t get it, I mean I like it, looks more interesting than the 2, but what is he holding? A shard of mirror?

>>7685734
starting to look hornier

>>7685723
I think you should start drawing flowers and understand and analyze the shapes first before going to animals. If you want to jump straight to animals, think of the bones, muscles before you think of fur.

>>7685749
>>7685723
Hey anon, just so you know, this is who redlined you.

>>7685467
>12 replies
Fucking hell. Why does everything permabegschizo always cause this much salt?

>>7685751
Based, happyboy approved this message.

>>7685723
cute

>>7685743
Yeah a shard of mirror, it's reflecting an important point of the characters past. Think I'll go with that one, thanks for the help :)

>>7685753
His reputation precedes him

>>7685753
He's so cool

>>7685749
Nta but desu I prefer the paw with the little fingies, it’s cute
Also I think “grading” is unnecessary

Here’s my critter. Spotted getting eaten by a slug

>>7685756
Sure, really wanna see the result :)!

ok tried to do a quick sketch of the beetle >>7684255
thats it for tonight though


>>7685749
so animals was the subject to choose, im doing proko drawing basics. its the line section
>>7685751
oh...

>>7685663
kek. I've never actually played HL 1 despite loving 2 and being hyped as fuck when The Orange Box dropped with the Eps 1&2

Honestly my (early) teens were probably the best years of my life. Wasn't until I was heading towards my 20's that poor life decisions started to mount and fuck over what probably should have been my best decade. kek, maybe that's why I didn't start reading until I was in my 20's?

Even if I would be destined to make the same mistakes I couldn't imagine not going back.

>>7685590
>>7685765
Very cool.

>>7685467
>use gradients to make colors work together
>>7685737
gonna say right because idk what the fuck is supposed to be happening on the left btw i hate pseud art like this no offense
>>7685765
shota??

>>7685751
Unironically what is wrong with saying this

>>7685749
>>7685762
also, it was based on this reference

>>7684970
looking at this other guy's stuff, he doesn't seem bad. but i think the main factors are
>bad coloring/shading
>symmetry tool (really makes it uncanny imo)
>inconsistent design (why did he go from sf2 ryu and chun-li design to sf alpha ryu and sf6 chun-li as well as deliberately avoiding adding details like >>7685581 mentioned

finsihed

>>7685774
bush is off center

>>7685777
fuck

>>7684255
fuck my ass, this took forever to finish. the sketch was like 15 minutes, detailing another 20 but this shit is almost not worth the effort. my shading efforts get better as well compared to previous pointillism exercises and despite coming a little short on that hind leg, i think it looks cool. what a cool bug as well.

heyo

>>7685766
looks very recognizeable and cute. good job

>>7685774
>>7685780
>>7685787
all kino

>>7685744
Here's something not horny to balance it out.

>>7685787
hyperdeathrapemogs me and most of the thread

>>7685787
is this the newest fotm foid? since there is a new season out or coming?

>>7685780
Your effort are recognized anon, that is fantastic

>>7685789
tnx!
def needs a ton of improvements. hopefully some day after practicing all the fundamentals ill be able to do it!

>>7685787
cute
the socks could use some work

>>7685780
excellent buggy

>>7685780
this is actually amazing!! i hope i can do that some day
pointillism seems super hard & prob a bit frustrating

>>7685446
I tried going to some gd discord to get feedback and all I got is this npc response
sorry to the person but that really didn't help much I expected a lot more detailed critique from there
maybe its so dogshit there is no point in giving it honest critique
how I feel about 90% of this thread so fair enough

>>7685803
>hopefully
no need to hope, as long as you stay on the ball, you'll be great. seeing you are like an week into taking this stuff somewhat serious, i predict you'll leave most of the thread behind in a couple of months

>>7685794
not the op but i've loved panty & stocking since it's original airing and glad it's back

>>7685777
i sometimes can't even notice such obvious mistakes after finishing
weird

>>7685809
maybe next time stay in the graphic design section of this board if you cant judge how something looks. its just boring. it isnt bad, but i wouldnt buy this book. typical modernist minimal drivel

>>7685768
>shota??
i guess

>>7685815
sometimes you just have to rest a bit and come back later before publishing. giving it a last lookover with fresh eyes

>>7685812
tnx!
im prob going to take it slower. like not rush through proko. so it may be a little before i get to anatomy but it would be nice if it happens sooner than id expect

>>7685808
>pointillism seems super hard & prob a bit frustrating
its only very time consuming. you do the shapes like with everything else you draw and then you fill it in somewhat slowly, because you dont want to slip and create a line or do to many close by and its just becoming a black mass like you can see here in one or two horns

>>7685816
well I would like to do something like this when I get the time
also I don't get what you mean by stay in the graphic design section
is it about me saying I feel like 90% (urm that's a hyperbole) of this thread (including me) are just not worth critiquing since they lack all basic fundamentals?

>>7684682
What's so bad I should an hero about?

>>7685826
I think this about myself yet I still post here like a retard instead of just going and trying to learn basic fundamentals so don't feel discouraged or anything if you think I am talking about you

>>7685790
>>7685792
>>7685805

>>7685310
talentedrat ironicbragging KYS

tried to work on my chigurh

>>7685848
please work on your faces they are the weakest part of all of your stuff

>>7685854
post your faces

>>7685848
the tiara reveals problems with the head structure
and the face does not really look like the character, following the original design for the eyes could help with likeness

>>7685855

>>7684255
Love this beetle but I have literally no idea how to draw or use drawing software yet. About to start med's map and a few other drills and just get into the habit of basics of rendering shapes and everything else.

>>7685859
thats looks good though
>>7685858
sovl

>>7685857
>the tiara reveals problems with the head structure
redline it if you please

>and the face does not really look like the character, following the original design for the eyes could help with likeness
Why do you think I want to do a 1:1 copy of a face style?

>>7685467
>>7685725
Thanks a lot for your critique anon.
I dont have a "set" way to pick colours and how to pick their lighter and darker hues so I will try to follow palettes or curves.
Although everyone else is right. There is no point in trying to colour something so permabeg. Just polishing a grotesque piece of shit.

First time at an actual drawing in almost 20 years. I don't think we even drew that much in art class other than the bare minimum at techniques or whatever.

>>7685871
cute!

>>7685852
No texture, everything is blended together.

>>7685855
>>7685857
This mf. Man if a doormat delivers your ass a redline imma be mad AT THEM.

>>7685855
>>7685864
This mf. Man if a doormat delivers your ass a redline imma be mad AT THEM.

>>7685871
cute, you would do well to get some actual art pencils though, typical school pencils are kinda suck

>>7685871
Eyes are too close together, jaw is too square.

>>7685855

>>7685883
his faces are also his weakest point. why is it so hard for people to draw faces

>>7685885
not him but what's wrong with it

>>7685885
Im clueless of what you mean anon, surely you can provide examples of good faces, preferable done by your able hand!

>>7685885
post your faces fag

>>7685555
Worked more on the sketch. Goodnight friends

>>7685883
Doc por favor...

>>7685871
sovl

>>7685880
I just bought a small pack of pencils from a grocery store to start off, but I'll look into it.

>>7685881
I fucked up on the left eye earlier and I guess I overcompensated. And the jaw corners curve behind the bangs, but I definitely fuck up with the chin. It also doesn't help that Mabinogi characters still have early '00 geometry.

One of my fav artists posted a drawing starter guide
It is exactly what Pawell did but with results. Why? Is Pawell just fucked?
https://x.com/MASSGRAVE_ART/status/1954685009291600021

HOW do I stop my twinks from looking like shotas

>>7685896
you must really like fat fucking bitches if this one of your "favorite" artists

>>7685897
Try smaller heads, friend.

Larger heads, in comparison to overall body size, is a strong visual indication of youth.

Especially if you make your twinks so much shorter than the more masc characters.

>>7685905
ok I'll have to keep that in mind
maybe I'll try drawing them closer in height, I just hate being tall (5'9") so ig having a short character to self insert as feels nice

>>7685908
>tall (5'9")
lol lmao

>>7685908
kek, fair.

I don't think you have to draw them taller necessarily but do keep in mind the size of the head if you keep your boys on the shorter side.

Funny you should lament your height character I'm playing around with atm I see as being around the 6'2" mark.

>>7685912
in America that's enough to dwarf most guys I meet, or at least for our height difference to feel minimal
ideal bf height would be 6'4", or at least 6'3" so he's half a foot taller than me
if I were 5'3" then I could either date a guy my current height, or date a guy who's 6'3" and just fall in love completely. being made to feel small and helpless with a guy is just peak

>>7685920
that's a good top height but I understand that tall bottoms have their own appeal

>>7685923
>hat's a good top height
Oh, this guy's definitely going to be a bottom. Because yes, you're right. They definitely have their appeal.

But I understand your pain friend. I'm 5'10-ish myself and it sucks when you enjoy height differences.

To tall to find anyone substantially taller than me while being too short to find anyone substantially shorter.

It's a special kind of pain xD

>>7685848
The bottom of her leotard looks like it is sinking into her. Why not push it outwards to make it look like her tummy is pushing it?
Have a very shitty redline.

My glasses fucking broke!

>>7684380
This is beautiful work, great job!

>>7685933
Not the shape I want. She is using heels, the bottom of the belly naturally "sinks" inwards

>>7685943
Oh that is true if we are talking about very thin people but arent the Umas meaty as fuck from tons of exercise and food?
Some pudge would be expected.

>>7685874
how do i add texture

>>7685854
>>7685858
>>7685883
No face redline then fucks?

>>7685897
nigga this is fire if only the cut marks werent there

>>7685956
They didn't post the drawing to get critique anon. Read the thread.

>7685959
Ignore bait.

>>7685774
This is why you don't draw bush.

>>7685962
None of the redlines were valid critique.

>>7685960
I can erase them but thanks! I think the top looks a bit goofy but I rushed him without a reference bc I was getting impatient and wanted to go to bed
sorry about the scars, it's just a personal touch I like to add to make him
characters feel relatable

Recent life stuff

>>7685970

>>7685970

>>7685956
My drawing, my fat biases

if you took a snapshot of this thread and compared it to a snapshot of the general in 2024 it would be clear that talentedrats were the only ones to improve significantly

If you took a snapshot of >>7685981's penis it would be clear that it's tiny

Feel like these studies shouldn't have taken half an hour.

>>7685938
My condolences friend. Cute sketch tho.

>>7685960
kek, the gunplay is fine but some light cutting is too much?

>>7685967
Night Anon!

I miss Pawell, bros...

how many of you guys use this construction method with the ovals

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU INK MANGA STYLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7686008
use bigger resolution

>>7686008
You forgot your sumidamari.

>>7685964
:s

>>7685985
These are very good anon nice work

>>7686008
bro whyyyy do you keep drawing the same girl over and over why do you never study your fundies

>>7686041
He has autism.

>>7684255
My messy attempt

>>7686041
>>7686042
What fundies is that thing lacking. Come on redline it.

>>7686040
Thanks, friend!

>>7686046
Nice sense of form.

I saw the earliest works of an artist I admire and now I WANT TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF.

>>7684399
How do you feel having a fat ass cousin

>>7686008
by sleeping early and have good habits.

>>7686008
Looked into this for a bit and urabe seems like a difficult character to work with. Maybe practicing characters with easier eyes and hair would be beneficial.

>>7686076
Most mangaka die early from not doing that.
Miura had insane talent and died from literally blowing his heart up.

Redesigning this character according to advice I got on /ic/. Which of these new versions looks better, with the longer cloaks?

>>7686086
I am too stupid to attach images.

>>7685844
i missed Nya

I give up.
I feel like I cant make her face not look retarded and the sweater lines dont follow any form.
IT IS OVER.

>>7686012
Unironically yes. I have been trying to fill a fuckhuge canvas with DOGSHIT and I ended up drawing that in a tiny corner. It ended up really fucking tiny.
>>7686032
huh?
>>7686041
Maybe because she is what I like to draw? I literally only picked up drawing to draw her.
>never study your fundies
B-b-but I do! Thats the problem.
I am just trash.
>>7686076
lol no. Most mangaka die for their craft.
>>7686078
You are right. I have a horrible disparity because I wouldnt draw her eyes most of the time and never botered putting effort into her hair because it is just a huge messy mop of hair.

I should give up on drawing desu.
Pointless to do without talent.

>>7686082
>>7686099
If you fucking already know that you will die from it, then why the fuck will you do it when you can have good habit, sleep early and draw longer and better? WTF is this NPC mode?

>>7686100
Only porn get you on beg

>>7686100
Only porn get you out of beg

>>7684255
coudle've drawn some new /ss/ today, instead drew this. I've read alphonso dunn's ink drawing manual to learn hatching, but it's an unattainable skill for a dimwit like me.
>>7684927
>I'm a simple man, I want to draw human figures
I think any drawing you make adds to your total skill. it's all shapes and ways to describe them.

hey permabeg-chan, try switching to paper

>>7686007
>>7686007
its quite helpful doing ovals huh? looks very 3d already.

>>7685885
theyre just generic modern anime faces, theyre all bad.

>>7686099
If this is shit then it's over for me because it still mogs me.

ppl who can just draw with pens without erasers or ctrlz are art gods
it's impossible to me to not to fuck up a sketch and then apply hundreds of fixes

I forget I can just draw for fun sometimes...what a revelation.

>>7686211
its important to have some fun and draw what you actually like between your studies. the studies can be fun in their own way, but it shouldnt be your only concern, they should just be a means to achieve your goal. and having fun reminds you why you started doodling! these look really cool btw.

early morning before group doodle
didn't have a reference so I think it turned out relatively well considering
sorry to that anon for the cut marks
I'm glad he doesn't look as shota this time

>>7686099
>never botered putting effort
you can say that again
how do you even expect to get better at this if you never put in any effort?

fast copy