Thread 7746062

What causes this?

>>7746062 (OP)
intent

someone that knows how to draw it in a multitude of ways and chose to draw in that specific way/style

vs

someone that is just trying to copy/mimic something they liked but is not quite there yet

>>7746062 (OP)
Lack of emotion. Even her shoulders aren't tense anymore.

>>7746091
This is the same artist btw but there’s a 15 year gap between the top and bottom drawings

bottom artist is the type that draws lots of ahegao, huge disproportionate tits and ass and weird disgusting porn. That's part of the reason. You can't draw something cute and pure with a mind like that, your thoughts are gonna leak into your drawing in one way or another

They both look like shit

>>7746062 (OP)
Loli proportion is hotter.

>>7746233
pyw

>>7746062 (OP)
Trying too hard to draw with "quality" instead of feeling.
The art at the top has more motion, clear expression, thick lines, overlap of the character and a great composition.
The lower one has excessive negative space, the character looks more stiff and just less lively.
It's like when an artist zooms in on a picture to perfect every detail and loses the bigger picture in the process.
Personally, I think if an artists art improves, it gets a little worse at first due to being too distracted by technical details to convey the feeling you want to, but the art will get better too once you're more comfortable in your skill and can focus back on conveying a message rather than just drawing a pretty picture.

>>7746062 (OP)
Artists that have fun while drawing tend to make soulful art, a lot of beginners don't care about making good art, just drawing something for fun.
Btw this is why more skilled artists make boring art, they had to study and practice for thousands of hours so they're sick of making art, and a lot of great artists straight up hate art, I can't blame them, their experience is like that chocolate cake scene on the Matilda movie.

>>7746332
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>>7746091
>>7746178

>>7746062 (OP)
loomis

>>7746584
Just read, watch interviews by pros, you don't need to be one to talk about this stuff.
BTW your picrel been debunked since 2021, it's bullshit and you're a dumbass.
>https://crev.info/2021/09/dunning-kruger-fake/

>>7746705
>Just read, watch interviews by pros
lil bro can you even read the text on that image?

>>7746062 (OP)
>>7746173
what the fuck happened? it lost all emotion and fluidity

My guess is:
Top: "I like this style and I feel cute and happy drawing it"
Bottom: "this style is what is trending and popular and if I don't copy it I will be left behind and outdated"

>>7746717
>I can't understand the emotion it's conveying so it's le emotionless
Classic westoid projection. This is why westoids cannot understand or draw anime.

>>7746788
Holy projection strawman

>>7746793
How is it a strawman? Most of this thread is clueless about anime art and are using their simplistic dumbed down understanding of art to "critique" the bottom drawing without being able to draw in the style or even read the text/understand the intended emotions. This is classic low tier western "artist" behavior where they try to attack Japan for not living up to their false standards. It's just an easy way to feel better about your own art and farm some dopamine and social points.

>>7746718
>>7746788
>Classic westoid projection.

Guys, the girl in the bottom is very clearly staring at a dick. You've seen it many times in hentai, don't pretend you're a saint. The top one is a cutesy happy girl getting mad at her boyfriend for not calling her while the bottom one is the same whore face you find in thousands of doujins and naruto/bleach porn. It smells when I look at it.

>>7746788
>Classic westoid projection

>>7746812
Go ahead dude, post the image.
We all know youre DYING to post it, so do it.

>>7746062 (OP)
Which one is soulless exactly?

>>7746891
Ist das ein aktuelles Photo?
I should check my local library for this book too, I wouldn't be surprised if they had it...

>>7746812
>insults rather than explaning the differences between the two images
No draws sure like to talk a lot

>>7746910
If they cared to learn about the differences they would ask some specific question instead of pushing their feelings as the truth.

for me soul is when someone draw something without real intent, hard to explain but imagine when you just "try" not really searching perfection or likes, you just had a feeling or a plain idea you needed to see done.

this is why most redraws (even from the same artist, which probably got better) always feel souless, is this idea that "if i draw it better it would be better" that become souless to me, redraws are, most of the time, just a skill test, is even worst when another person try to do it.

>>7746788
>>7746812
>implying
>persecution complex
>goes off on a tangent instead of talking about the art at all
>defending the lower art over the top ever
MEDS. NOW.
you're making the rest of us weeaboos look bad

>>7746977
>us weeaboos
Stop trying to collect social points and appear intelligent by following what the westoid narrative says about "soul vs quality". You can't draw anime or even understand anything about the art so you default to feelings or whatever is socially safer or whatever gives you the most street cred points on western social media.

>>defending the lower art over the top ever
This is the problem with the westoid. They think everything is in conflict. They cannot conceive of different styles/images capturing different things without being opposed. They have to pick the "correct" thing and defend it while attacking everything else and anyone who isn't like them is in the wrong. But they can never justify why anyone should follow them or why their understanding is correct, it's always vague buzzwords with no technical specificity (because they cannot draw in the style)

>>7746986
What is it buddy? Dont want to post your beloved image anymore because you know everyone will shit on you like always?

>>7746322
>>7746999
>>7746977
>>7746717

>>7746584
Kek based

I can't draw anything interesting because I don't like drawing. Soul is when your love enters the drawing and I have no love left in me.

>>7746986
What is so great about the bottom compared to the top? Enlighten me.

>>7747001
Yaaaaaaaay! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
KYS.

>>7747009
My point is that it's retarded to even compare them without specifying the precise aspect of it you're comparing. It's assuming they're 1-to-1 equivalent pieces of art and any deviation from the "soul" version (that's just assumed to be better with no proof) is actually bad. "soul" is a weaponized buzzword that means "more easily appeals to me", "gives me more social points on twitter for liking it as opposed to something perceived as more "technical"" etc.

>>7747013
>this is what cartoons do to you
Irony weebery not even once. All anime all the way.

>>7746062 (OP)
>try to draw more realistically
>still add that "pissed off" symbol
Shit doesn't fit
>chibi in the background is off
>emotion is different as well, somehow more maleovent

>changing the style in first place

It's a mess.

>>7746062 (OP)
Bottom looks like a vtuber lol

>>7746062 (OP)
big western eyes vs smol chink eyes

>>7746062 (OP)
Top pic: hair up and out (dynamic), shoulders tense, the angry vein symbol fits, chibi has a simple but cute face, background contrasts with neru's yellow
Bottom pic: hair at rest, shoulders not tense, long ass bangs going down to her nose (it bothers me a lot), vein symbol feels out of place, chibi isnt as cute with the face change, background is yellow like neru so there is no contrast between it and her

>>7746062 (OP)
>tfw ya style develops

>>7746717
>Traced reaction from mangas back then vs now

>>7746986
they new drawing looks ugly dumbass, it's not that deep

>>7746717
I think that's the point. Anime often uses detailed and more realistically proportioned characters that are stiff and the exaggerate their expression using chibi models while western animation tends towards always having simplified characters that move in an exaggerated and expressive way. You kind of defeat the purpose of the model and it's chibi are both simplified and expressive.The artist has definitely improved enough so the original character can act as a chibi for a more realistic character.

>>7755526
good cope

>>7755526
What in God's name are you babbling about? The artist's taste clearly got worse.

>>7755539
proof?

>>7755539
>posts furry while talking about taste
oh no no no no no

>>7746062 (OP)
Stuff with "soul" is just work that most of which isn't trying to emulate something else, something that's already well established - ubiquitous. It is a much purer form of the artist's unique expression.

what's the scientific explanation for people defending the degenerate version over the soulful version?

>>7755682
Spite

>>7746062 (OP)
bottom look like corpo vtuber shit (same camera shot subtitle in bottom middle instead of top left so viewer eye has a road to follow big chara > text > small character)
composition is off too
no line width dif making it flat
hair don't have a weight killing the flow and dynamic

>>7755682
i dont get it myself. this shit isnt even debatable. i cant believe this board is being shared with people this tasteless

>>7746584
>>7746705
dunning kruger retards

btw I'm so based with being a snarky and toxic faggot on /ic/. and you're all just naive sheeple. I'm the ultimate troll. you're all losers. pyw. kekekek cucks

>>7746062 (OP)
The top one has a lot of design decisions that flow and work with eachother, making it look really lovely and cute
The overall more cartoony look gives it a way more energetic and expressive look
The bottom one is stiff and has no perspective to it, Looks like something out of a shity visual novel
The expession doesnt communicate as well and in general its just so booring