Thread 7757060

I have no visual library, no mind's eye and the opposite of a natural gift when it comes to visual arts.
I cant even imagine anything and my hand is unsteady. I grip my pencils like chrischan does.


What do i do? I really want to draw and have wanted to be able to do it since forever.

I'll do anything to get better.

>>7757060 (OP)
>I'll do anything to get better.
Even sell your soul?

>>7757064
Does a man who cant imagine an apple even have one to begin with?

>>7757067
you bring up a valid point

>>7757060 (OP)
Just draw from reference, like a competent artist.

>>7757114
Really bad at that as well altho not as bad as i am aith xrawing from imagination.
I'm really ass at managing space and keeping proportions right. Also just the sheer manual ability sucks. My penmansbip is awful.

>>7757060 (OP)
>I really want to draw
Why?

>>7757060 (OP)
this is the work of an artist with aphantasia
no excuses, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8aws1yDM-0&t=5443s

>>7757060 (OP)
>no visual library or minds eye
most of the people claiming to have these are charlatans posing as savants. They use references. As long as you have working vision you're good.

>>7757177
Sure, though people's memory capacity varies a lot. Having greater recall will absolutely make you a better artist, its why Jung Gi was so good at what he did without construction even. I have shit recall. I muddle through pictures for weeks, going through reference after reference until I eventually get there, but this rules out making a living off art in the modern ways that other artists do. Kinda depressing.

Still, no excuses.

>>7757187
I've put in less than 50 hours of practice throguhout years of thinking about doing it so i might also not be retarded but just lazy. Idk i wouldnt knownfor sure.
How many hours should you put in before declaring defeat?

I suck and am ass. Tho.

>>7757633
>sunk cost:
>50 hours

CLOSE THIS FUCKING THREAD NOW

>>7757641
I dont have a sunk cost. My point is that i hadnt done much so i wouldn't know for sure i'm destined to fail.

this site is made for you

https://drawabox.com/

>>7757653
I tried it once and got filtered HARD.
I probably should pay for irl lessons but i'm scared of people and flat broke.

>>7757158
Because i want to.

>>7757647
JUUUUUSSTTT FUCKKKING DRAWWWWW. Draw and be sad that you suck! So tired of never gonna make it perma /beg/s fretting about time and age and whatever else instead of just doing some fucking studies. You're just looking for excuses not to try at this point.

>>7757716
What exactly do i do?
Do i just copy or do i do shapes until it clicks or look up pcitures of people and try to illustrate those?

>>7757659
This website is literally designed for absolute beginners what the hell?

I ain't gonna sugarcoat it but if you got filtered on this then there's a high chance you're not gonna like drawing at all.

You like the end result but you hate the process, not tolerating it but hating it hence why you're not doing anything and finding any excuses not to draw, get a discipline or something.

>>7757733
>Do i just copy
Yes
>do i do shapes until it clicks
Yes
>look up pcitures of people and try to illustrate those?
YES you absolute faggot, just stop asking and fucking draw SOMETHING holy shit

>>7757162
>goyslop-tuber fanart
how inspiring

>>7757757
the vtuber made it herself and she actually draws and is successful unlike you lmao
imagine getting mogged into oblivion by an italian who plays games pretending to be a cartoon cat!

>>7757674
I understood it the first time, but what's the motivation, or is it just a whim?

This is year 2 of this guy making the same exact thread and people still falling for it

>>7757786
I'm studying law rn btw.
I dont rly care about it i just wish i could draw well.

Do you think i could do it if i started earnestly today?

>>7757839
>I dont rly care about it
then we shouldn't care about helping you

>>7757840
I meant law, not drawing. I care a lot about getting better a drawing.
Law is a pretty dry and unexciting topic. I concur it could be insanely useful to know but yeah. Hard to have a passion for something like that from the get go.

Here. My Creativity Grind.

https://youtu.be/1OSWR7xiQLk?si=vavvRzlqwdLXiomd

Repeat until you get something you would like to draw again. Think of why it looks as it does. And you have an Intellectual Property.

Now get to know it.

>>7757647
>I have no visual library, no mind's eye and the opposite of a natural gift
50 Hours is no where near enough time to be saying shit like this, OP. Stop being a dumbass opening threads like a Howie and draw.

You're problem is ADHD or some shit. This board isn't going to motivate you. You have to figure that out yourself. You probably didn't go to college, so you need to go learn HOW to learn and focus. Don't start with art. Try something like fitness and nutrition as a base, being active might set your mind right.

The meme is 10,000 hours to master anything.
13 months worth of drawing with no breaks or sleep or 2500 4-hour sessions of drawing. If you did that daily, that's ~7 years of practice to master!

Cry more when you've actually accomplished a year of drawing consistently for 4 hours a day and dont see any progress. If you can't draw 3-4 hours a day after really trying for maybe a few months, this obviously isn't for you. There are way more productive skills to spend your time learning anyway.

>>7757857
Im going to college atm, did pretty okay with hs and i run half a marathon every other day.
I also have worked 14 hours a day on some days before so idk. Objectively i can sweat it out and work hard. I just hate not having even a baseline level of skill . Just brootal and grueling.

I can do it i think and i'd like to. I'm just very much at a loss on how to go about it exactly as well as how to find a motivation. I dont need to be masterful at it. I'd like to get to "pretty good" if possible

>>7757857
>>7757647
I read the thread. If you're studying, then maybe you're overstretching here. Nothing you can do about that, but anyone here would advise you not to drop law for art. That would be retarded.

>>7757860
Ive just started so its chill. I have 15 hours of classes a week. I do have to learn a lot on my own but i could easily squeeze drawing in just as far as time management goes.
I usually default to idly playing through the same vidya ive played through already while listening to podcasts on the side. It's like a lobotomy

>>7757859
your notion of 'pretty good' changes as your eye develops in parallel with your skill
there's no point in half-assing life, so I'd recommend droping law or art

>>7757866
I hadnt picked art up yet. Below 50 hours of practice total across YEARS.
If i pick it up proper and like it and be good at it i'd be down to do it instead of law. Doubt that'll ever be the case though.

>>7757060 (OP)
if that's your drawing then it's not bad...mine on the other hand..

>>7757869
It is but it's the last thing i've drawn from April 2023, or so.

>>7757770
I like a lot of visual media and i'd like to create facismile of it myself.

>>7757879
Instead of mindlessly copying, i recomend analizing what makes you like something visually and studying the form and proportions of that thing in a simplified way, and compare it to real life objects.

>>7757902
I have no idea how i'd even begin to do that.

>>7757905
Look at an image of an object you want to draw. Can you imagine how it would look like from angles it's not depicted? Can you imagine its individual parts being disassembled and looked at from different angles? Do you consider depth of facial features when drawing a face? Have you analized the same object in real life (like a spoon for example) from different angles to see how its different parts line up? Can you simplify an object into simple low poly forms, rotate it and add complexity again in a different angle? Do you think of looking for specific refs each time you find something you don't have the visual memory to draw?

>>7757915
No to any of those but the explanation is very helpful. Thank you.

>>7757948
I recommend these two channels, too.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tyIKUNovq4s
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pVePCjlBHOY

Bumpy

Still hadn't drawn since making this thread. I've had nothing but time. I procastrinated on collegework too.

>I'll do anything to get better.
have you tried fucking drawing?

>>7764779
Dude i don't know what's wrong with me, but i can't muster any sort of an energy to start at a task.
I have so much stuff to do beyond even just drawing. For some reason the only thing i've been soemwhat regular at is jogging. But i was meaning to draw for every day for the past two weeks i just can't get to it in spite of having plenty of time.
I barred all electronics and just stared at the wall and re-read books instead of working. I'm just so uninterested in putting in concentrated effort.

>>7757060 (OP)
Glyptodon? I used to love these guys when I was a kid. Sovlful

>>7764795
Tackle your procrastinating first.
Quit harmful habits that steal your time and make you miserable. Delete instagram, tiktok or other doomscrolling apps. Don't reward yourself before or after drawing. Find enjoyment in the act itself.
You will not find drawing stimulating if your dopamine cycle is fucked. Get that in order.

I'm significantly worse you'll be ok.

>>7769838
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It's not about procastrination. I can run 20km a day or keep up with a demanding college course. I just can't draw.
>>7770003
This is way better. The only reason that creecher in OP looks any good is because i had an awesome reference to go off of.

>>7770003
Worse? It looks like you just started. That's not a fair comparison

>>7770083
I'm OP and i basically had also just started. I hadn't drawn for more than 50 hours and not at all this year.
I've put in like 5 hours at a time and then quit for months/years once dissatisfied with the "progress". Been doing that even since i was but a boy.
Drawing from OP is from 2023 i think.

>>7757060 (OP)
I'm kind of in the same boat. I can't hold on to any hobby for long and keep bouncing around between all kinds of hobbies never spending more than 2 weeks on one. Drawing is the one thing that I keep coming back to though, but with such an inconsistent schedule I never retain any meaningful improvement. The worst part is that it very likely stems from diagnosed clinical depression and chronic stress, because my living situation sucks right now and I can't create a right environment for myself to actually commit to anything creative. There's practically no way for me to reduce the friction and make drawing the easiest thing I can do at any moment.

I think i might draw today.

>>7772107
I thought so too. I didn't.

keep drawing, draw from reference, study. do you think everyone else was born amazing at this shit or something? i started drawing sonichu-level shit. the only way to get better at a skill is to keep studying it and actually doing the skill.

>>7772140
why is this thread full of useless nodraws? fucking draw or gtfo of this board

>>7772146
>i started drawing sonichu-level shit
How did you power through this?
>>7772147
But I want to draw. I really do. I just want to draw well.

>>7772147
I vill post a drawing within 3 hours. Gotta go shop for food for tomorrow first.
What should i draw? You can make the request as inane as you'd like.

>>7772152
i did as i told you to, and i didn't let my ego get hurt everytime i drew something bad. my art is not representative of me, i dont owe anyone good art, nobody's opinions can impact me, the only thing that matters is that i complete drawings often, and if i always feel bad about my art then i won't improve.

for tips, study from photos every morning. choose something you're struggling with but won't hate drawing yet. compare your study with your reference and critique it. take the critiques neutrally- if you get defensive or beat yourself down you'll stop yourself from improving. don't edit the studies, just keep the info in mind for the next drawing. limit your studies to a few seconds to two hours. also, watch how professionals draw. theres lots of threads with names of professionals to study from, though i watch marc brunet's, christoph young's, and wlop's speedpaints on youtube.

some people draw irl, some people grind for way longer, most people have different methods. but i find i'm improving faster like this.

>>7772168
draw a cute dog running in a forest. doesn't have to be good, just has to exist

>>7772146
>do you think everyone else was born amazing at this shit or something?

Yes, I see that this is true. Most people have talent from birth, they draw well from childhood and later become even better with minimal effort.

>keep drawing

Fucking how? What should I do? How should I do it?

>>7772191
sorry got drunk. I'll try to get around to it after breakfast tomorrow. I have na idea already so it should be easy.