Thread 7764685

>You dont need skills to be successful
Fuck Sonichu, is there a bigger blackpill then touhou? The art is literally just scribbles

>>7764685 (OP)
Looks like traditional copic/acrylic. Can anyone on /ic/ gets vibrant colors like that? I doubt it.

>>7764685 (OP)
Hey buddy, it took ZUN 13 years of continued improvement before he got noticed by the internet. Touhou was originally a FAILED project until he ressurrected it almost a decade after its last release

It wasn't just art.
He also had music, game, and most especially, his lore

Touhou's greatest asset was its world. It had no story to speak about, but he managed to depict Gensokyo as a land of fun and mysticism. And that is what sets it apart from most bullet hell games

The majority of Touhou fans don't even play the game or read the story. They are there to participate in his world

Make your own world and invest on building both its lore and presentation. Come back after 13 years

you don't need to improve when you already reached the perfection

>>7764685 (OP)
God it hurts to see someone so retarded... I hope you have a happy life man.

>>7764695
>music, game
Oh that explains a lot. My bad, thought ZUN was only the artist.

>>7764695
>Make your own world and invest on building both its lore and presentation. Come back after 13 years
holy shit im going to make it

>>7764685 (OP)
anyone could have made in the 90s. All you had to do was be first

>>7764703
He is the only worker in Team Alice
They were 5 people back in the 90s, but now, it's just him

>>7764685 (OP)
Anon. ZUN is mostly more into making music.

>>7764685 (OP)
>The art is literally just scribbles
It's a videogame series; it wasn't relying solely on the art.
I mean, I agree with you in a broad sense, but your example was poorly chosen, as >>7764695 pointed out.

zun's not really an artist though. he's a composer first, game designer second, writer third, and artist fourth. he was successful not because of his art but despite it. the art for his games wasn't great but he had amazing music, gameplay, and story to back it up. you too can be a successful bad artist if you have 3 other skills you're much better at to distract from the fact that you cant draw hands.

>>7764755
Huh, sounds like undertale guy.

I hate these "you don't have to be le good" success stories because all these guys (Toby, zun, hussie) were talented in music and programming or something and if they weren't would have actually made dogshit like a regular person.

You need to be talented at something to make a good product.

>>7764685 (OP)
Oh yeah lmao, you don't need good art you just need to be ONE OF THE GREATEST VIDEO GAME COMPOSERS EVER
What fucking insight dude

>>7764735
Damn. I was just making this thread to make people talk about how good touhou character designs actually are with bait but he is even better then I imagined...

>>7764685 (OP)
all zun ever wanted was to be a video game composer, the only reason he bothered learning programming and drawing was so he could have games to make music for since no one would hire him. Then he lucked out with people actually liking the games he made.

Also if he's a failure, how come Reitaisai exists? I don't see a fucking sonichu convention anywhere, or sonichu video games, or fan games, or cosplayers.

>>7764685 (OP)
>>7764695
>It wasn't just art.
>He also had music, game, and most especially, his lore
This. ZUN is wearing all the hats of game dev, he's a programmer, character & BG artist, animator, concept artist, musician, game designer, narrative writer and whatever else it takes to make a game, he's a true solo and indie developer, he taught himself all those skills using shitty books about C language, music, etc, got a job in the games industry then he created touhou, went to Comiket and got rich.
It's incredible how people like OP are so naive, they think that a /BEG/ artist like ZUN is only an artist and nothing else.
He's the perfect example of "Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one".

>>7764849
>He's the perfect example of "Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one".
Scott Adams even teach about this, you just add, combine your multiple /beg/ skills and become unique.

>>7764849
>>7764853
Khyleri is just like them, he's a meme maker that know how to paint.

Touhou is more about the autism than anything

>>7764853
is this guy dead yet

>>7764903
fair

>>7764685 (OP)
>is there a bigger blackpill then touhou? The art is literally just scribbles
You're heavily overexaggerating.
Also, Zun's real strength when drawing is with traditional media. He's improved in recent years in regards to digital art, but his traditional work still trumps it I think.

>>7764685 (OP)
Thing is with ZUN, he's also a programmer and musician. The music combined with making something he wanted in a niche (fantasy anime bullet hells with cute girls) appealed to other people who likes that niche.

In other words he made something he likes the best he could, which attracted others.

>>7765578
oh his art is awesome.
this is just more blackpill-the man isn't even bad at art, its just the medium?????

>>7765578
Is he a pedo?

>>7765578
Her six fingers and inverted right hand have one or two things to say about that, but he does have the appeal down if you don't scrutinize it.

ZUN is proof we are in the wrong location. He's drawings are ugly but they are popular. I could at least have 1 or 2 followers if I had been in Japan.

>>7764685 (OP)
The skill level is rudimentary, but there is a nostalgic charm that harkens back to the late 90's early 00's with his style. The characters are appealing, and stand out in the current day weebosphere quite a lot. I'm not even a touhou person, but I recognize the design traits, and tendencies, even with characters I've never seen before. As others said, it is one aspect of an indoe videogame series by a sole creator. Finally, anyone worth their salt should be able to appreciate the free spirited love that Zun has for his work by seeing it for more than one mome t.

>>7766253
Japan loves ugly cute, scary cute, and cute cute. It’s safe to say as long your art has a cuteness factor, you’d do well.

>>7764685 (OP)
Everyone likes to shit on ZUN's style but nobody who does ever manages to make a convincing replica. And the ones who like it spend like half a year worth of grinding to get to that level

It's called an artstyle.

>>7766363
not knowing basic anatomy is not an artstyle, if you like it just say that instead of being a dumbass

>>7766253
>ZUN is proof we are in the wrong location.
??? Just use Pixiv like other weebs
>He's drawings are ugly but they are popular.
Plenty of cases like this in the west, remember Homestuck?
>I could at least have 1 or 2 followers if I had been in Japan.
Followers on social media? You live in the internet era and talk about dumb shit like this, just low quality bait.

>>7764685 (OP)
Touhou is also primarily a game. it just needs to balance game engine, art, music, game puzzles, player enjoyment.

On its own, the art literally is /beg/ shit but it has appeal. Mainly the cute anime girl and every character wears a hat and flowy dress. Despite his amateur art skill, he does spend time drawing flowing dress. That shit is relatively hard.

>>7764695
This.

>>7766425
>On its own, the art literally is /beg/ shit
>>7766256
>The skill level is rudimentary
Mogs you even in terms of skill because it's Japanese anime. You lack the S K I L L to draw like that.

>>7766437
post the image

>>7764685 (OP)
Its called SOVL
Something /ic/k doesnt understand!

>>7766406
>Followers on social media? You live in the internet era and talk about dumb shit like this, just low quality bait.
I'm talking about as a small doujinshi/indie creator.

how is this not a whitepill?

>>7764685 (OP)
>You dont need skills to be successful
Correct. But if you aren't an indie like ZUN, you need to suck off the right people in the industry.

>>7764685 (OP)
>You dont need skills to be successful
Shadbased proved that over a decade ago. You need art skills to a certain extent, just enough to show what make you stand out from the rest.

>>7764695
>The majority of Touhou fans don't even play the game or read the story. They are there to participate in his world
Zun's lax copyright policy is an important part of how is world became an international phenomenon. Almost anyone can legally make and sell Touhou products so long as it's within his permissive guidelines.

>>7771317
Because people here are poisoned by jealously.

>>7773522
Shad wasn't into skill
He was in the controversy and sheer edge

Ironically, he was a legit mentally ill with anger issues
But the internet labeled him a hero of Free Speech.

>>7764685 (OP)
Picrel made over a million dollars in 2023, it's developed by a single person on RPG Maker and the art is /beg/ tier, cute but still amateur like ZUN.
>>7773561
This. Shad is all about controversy, the modern equivalent would be Khyleri, his art memes got him in hot water like that holocaust day one.

>>7773561
>Shad wasn't into skill, he was in the controversy
It's funny how "outrage marketing" works so well.
>Step 1 create an art or meme that's "based"
>Step 2 post it on left wing eccho chambers
>Step 3 ???
>Step 4 Profit
You can do the same in reverse too and piss off the chuds but the mainstream media got that covered with "woke" BS made to piss them off.
>>7773600
Khyle is a mix of Stonetoss and Shadman.

>>7773627
Shad wasn't into "outrage marketting"
He's not a troll

He's into legit what the fuck
He made porn of his own mother for Christ's sake

>>7773630
>Shad wasn't into "outrage marketting"
>He's not a troll
I'm not saying that he's using that tactic on purpose, just that it works. If you put "Shadman" on any search engine, the words that come up with it are "outrageous, vulgar, offensive, disgusting and pdf" He's a master of controversy and you could easily mimic him by creating that sort of art on purpose, it's the easiest shit to be controversial nowadays, specially in marketing.
>He's into legit what the fuck
>He made porn of his own mother for Christ's sake
And? Did he pull a Chris-chan too? No, right? It's just a drawing, pixels on a computer or ink on paper, it's not real, not even realistic. There's far worse stuff here on 4chan, go back to Tumblr or Reddit where people get mad about drawings.

>>7773647
Shadman got arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. He always had issues
He's not a master of any controversy. This is just his personality which, ironically, is being rewarded by internet points

>>7764695
wtf touhou is a game?

>>7773600
That game got popular because of outrage on Xitter and grifters on Youtube.
>>7773627
Nailed it

>>7774184
Even the game creator know about it.
>https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900/view/4453592738017838121
Viral memes, and image reactions under popular anime and games like Oshi no Ko and ZZZ helped it a lot too so it's a combo of outrage and memes that put that shitty game on the map.

>>7774192
>not an incest game
I was going to play it because of all the incest I saw on rule34. Now I'm not buying it.

>>7774244
The author, Nemlei, is a funny bitch, she knows damn well what 99% of her fans want from her game and she delivers it.

>>7766406
tbf Hussie could draw well, he just had to churn out shit extremely fast because the main selling point of HS was the story (before the trolls hijacked it) and spending his time trying to make pretty panels all the time would've killed a lot of momentum back when Act 1-5 were being updated at an insane pace
Also a lot of the early fanart actually looked gorgeous until a switch flipped inside the fandom head which from then on decided to draw every characters with woobly heads and no sharp edge despite that being the antithesis to prime HS artstyle

>>7776212
>tbf Hussie could draw well
He had A LOT of guest artists. Were those drawn by him, or by them?
That said, he was a great comic artist all the same - I'll always defend his comic, even if the story ended up as a shit show, and the fandom was cringe. There is no example to better portray the flexibility of the webcomic medium, like homestuck does.

>>7776223
Everything in the gif was drawn by him. It was only from [S] Make Her Pay onward that he'd get guest artists to draw shit for him, but that was exclusively for the flashes
it was rare for him to get other artists just for panels

>>7764685 (OP)
Professional movie storyboard artists draw like picrel because their job is about telling a story visually not drawing well.
>INB4
>They can draw but choose not to
Some are like this, others just can't draw, just look at their interviews on Youtube, they even admit it, that art career is the ultimate blackpill, most SB artists are (attractive) women nowadays to boot...

>>7777538
>most SB artists are (attractive) women nowadays
I forgot to say but that's not the case in most of Asia yet, they still value art skills there.
Picrel lives in Australia so she doesn't count.

>>7764695
>until he ressurrected it almost a decade after its last release
4 years isn't even half a decade

>>7777695
Yeah, it was my mistake.
Though, it went pretty unnoticed for 6 years more.

It only skyrocketed into fame around 2008 with Niconico