Do you enjoy diversity in your cunt?

I feel nothing for the English, they did it to themselves

>>212038629 (OP)
Why and how did the English allow this to happen so quickly?

>>212038629 (OP)
I live in a yellow area :)

>>212039081
The leaders did it

Just imagine if your king hated the people of Saudi Arabia, what would he do to hurt them? that's what happened to Britain

>>212038629 (OP)
I only like Asian girls

>>212038705
We're the most anti-immigration country in the UK. That's one of the reasons you all hate us

>>212038629 (OP)
I honestly want to know the coping mechanism of the average white brit that is aware about the reality of the country and would really like it to change. I feel like after a while you can only do two things: brainwash yourself and accept that that's the UK now and try to fit in in your environment or create your own bubble where you try to isolate yourself from most of the country and try to live as if nothing was happening.

I think it's easy to end up obssesed with the massive demographic shift of the UK and Europe, specially if you're a lonely guy who spends most of his time on the internet. But there's only so much you can do before it starts to affect you mentally and have to find a way to deal with it. I have watched plenty of videos of english cities and I honestly wouldn't be able to live in a place like that (London, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, etc) without ending up quite depressed

>>212039081
Scotland is very pro-immigration. The immigrants they invite would rather live in England.

>>212039105
I live in a blue area, but near a yellow area

>>212038629 (OP)
yes diversity of bavarians, franks, saxons and other german people are great

>>212038629 (OP)

>>212039898
Immigrants live in big cities which Scotland lack

>>212039282
But why wasn’t there a British reaction though? I’ve only started to see anti immigration rhetoric in like 2015(and they weren’t even about keeping England white they just didn’t want illegal immigrants) why wasn’t prevalent before? Did no one notice the demographic shift before the 2010s?

>>212040500
because even talking about it was taboo. it only really started changing once the situation turned to total shit and even middle/upper class twats couldn't avoid the consequences anymore

>>212040500
It's been particularly bad very recently

>>212040656
But why did it happen so quickly? It took America more than 70 years to go from 90% white to 60% white while this happened in the UK in like 2 weeks.

>>212040954
Tony Blair opened the flood gates

>>212040954
blair, ECHR and boriswave

>>212040500
People were seriously deluded and idiotic enough that they thought leaving the EU would solve everything

>>212041027
>ECHR
brainlet reform sheep

>>212040500
Poles out!
Pakis in!

How good is this???

>>212039743
>>212038629 (OP)
why are you people of all talking shit about Britain
you are the same if not worse

>>212041027
I’d add It also changed my(probably other people) perspective of the country. When I was a kid when someone said England the first thing that came to my mind are two old men drinking tea next to a fireplace. Now when I hear England I think Indians and ksi

>>212038629 (OP)
Angloids deserve extinction for all the evil they have done to my people, it's only fair.

>>212040500
there has always been anti immigration rhetoric, it's been the number 1 issue for like 20 years at this point.
every single government promised to reduce the number, they all lied and increased them as high as they could
it is easy to get arrested for speaking against it, not long ago criminals were let out of prison early to make room for protestors that protested against a man from an immigrant family from stabbing multiple children (killing 3)

I don't think foreigners understand that change has been absolutely impossible, despite people trying. The overwhelming force of the state wants the destruction of britain, so it is happening no matter what.

>>212040500
what's even more is that the UK still has no coherent anti-immigration party *today*

>>212041135
You gotta use humor to cope with the situation
I know we are all in the same boat

>>212041135
We are getting replaced as well.

>>212041245
there is no anti-immigration party in Europe, not one

>>212041245
that's because it isn't allowed
the last anti immigration party was literally infiltrated and destroyed by the security services, I'm not even a schizo it is the truth but it happened a while ago so people have forgotten about it
every part since has been controlled opposition

>>212041245
It's all the same shit: people get fed up, they vote for the alt right, they do nothing, people give up hope. I think the italian government is the only one actively trying to do something even though the EU doesn't want them to

>>212038629 (OP)
You mean forced in...

>>212040719
That 2019 drop and subsequent spike was the EU immigration finally being cut out due to new regulations and the attempt to save the finance sector by simply flooding every market with third worlders

>>212041414
>Last year 382,071 foreigners moved to Italy, up from 378,372 in 2023 and the highest since 2014, statistics agency Istat said. In the same period, 155,732 Italians emigrated, up from 114,057 in 2023 and also the highest since 2014.

>>212041448
no, it was boris johnson intentionally trying to destroy the country

>>212041293
there kind of is but they can't enforce any of their policies because they either get shut down by courts or left out of power by the other parties

>>212041490
people dont vote for them and the ones they do vote dont actually do shit except drop immigration by 5% by some petty laws eg. the law in Denmark where refugees had to give up their valuables or some shit like that

>>212041609
the danish gov't mostly did what it promised. they're refusing refugees with every measure legally available to them

>>212041658
no
the replacement immigration is still happening in Denmark. What happened in Denmark is kind like happened in most places in Europe. They allowed illegal immigration for so long time that they now switched it to mass legal immigration and chuds are happy now that its at least legal, despite the legal immigration being way more threatening and it essentially relaxed immigration laws

the Danish government has relaxed immigration for years now

>>212041712
Wtf I thought that at least the danes were safe but you're right
The people who think "it's okay as long as it's legal inmigration" should be euthanised. I'm surprised at the amount of idiots who still think like that

>>212041712
Hm okay. But their population pyramid, both in terms of age structure and ethnicity, is still way way better than the rest of the continent. And Copenhagen doesn't have 1/10th of the crime issues of London.

>>212038629 (OP)
based wales

>>212042106
Copenhagen is also less than 10th of London and Copenhagen absolutely has its fentanyl streets and shitholes
also one difference usually in Nordic places is the fact that urban places are very exclusive

>>212042108
unfortunately we're invaded by anglos instead

>>212039743
nobody gives a fuck, everybody walks around like being a minority to a bunch of savage sub-40 IQ niggers and having entire towns of children raped by Muslim who openly brag about colonising you

im moving to Australia at least its big enough to distance myself from the brown biomass for a while longer but frankly we deserve what we tolerate

>>212042108
>>212042254
>vote for the most pro-immigration parties in the western world because theyre welsh """nationalists""""
>england gets replaced with blacks and pakis
>wales gets replaced by with English refugees

>>212042475
>>212042254
What makes Wales so unpopular for brownies?

>>212038629 (OP)
My favorite complaint about mass immigration from the progressives who mostly support the idea is:
>It was supposed to be diverse. Why is it all people from a single country?

>>212038629 (OP)
no but I unironically wish we had more "native" diversity (not imported), we don't even have dialects in this country and everyone in every corner of Poland speaks, looks and acts the same

>>212041658
They don't do shit.

If it was only the ebil goverment forcing pakis down their throats that would be bad enough already, but the average brit has absolutely no pulse.
They see muzzies acting like animals right in front of them and do nothing because other people might interpret as racism. They live in a prison created by their own minds

>>212042637
thats too late to ask for and you wouldnt really notice it in your daily life these days anymore if you lived in a city anyway

>>212042763
>you wouldnt really notice it in your daily life these days anymore if you lived in a city anyway
I think German or Italian cities still speak distinguishable dialects

>>212038629 (OP)
Im flying to one of the red areas on Friday lol (not London)

>>212042234
>absolutely has its fentanyl streets and shitholes
it does, thoughever the drug ""culture"" in christiania is a whypipo thing and existed long before mass immigration

>urban places are very exclusive
wdym

>>212042513
not as much money to steal here

>>212042513
It's mostly rural and more culturally conservative

>>212042806
hardly matters for any hot spot for internal (and now external) immigration
of course you can find all the dialects in Finland now but the standard (southern) Finnish is becoming the norm every day

I think Norway is one of the exceptions since there they dont have a strict standard norwegian and people are also free to write in their dialects without looking like an idiot who cannot write

>>212042513
ethnics HATE the countryside (they're terrified of it), and wales is very rural

>>212038629 (OP)
Build the wall.

>>212042938
>wdym
go to central stockholm and try to find migrants there

Not that mad.

>>212039081
Huh?

>>212040500
Somewhere between the 2001 and 2005 elections it became a top issue. These are the manifesto policies for the 3 main parties at the time (conservative, labour then lib dem).
20 years of everything being promised and nothing being done.

>>212038629 (OP)
yes. my best friend is half bulgarian half vietnamese

Sorry.

This is what you get for betraying hitler

Anglos are the judas of europe
Jews used them like a cheap whore and then threw them in the roadside when they found a new host

>>212038629 (OP)
No.
I hate the ruling class who inflicted it on us. If there were any justice in the world the royal family and anyone whos ever held office in the house of lords or commons over the last 20 years would be mining cobalt in africa as slaves at the hands of a cruel taskmaster with a whip.

>>212042637
>everyone in every corner of Poland speaks, looks and acts the same
really?! No dialects? How is that even possible?

>>212043669
I volunteer to be the cruel taskmaster with a whip.

>>212039898
They probably do this on purpose to spite you guys

>>212039898
>Scotland
Every fucking single time. The scots are the jew of britain

>>212039282
The leaders are rule by Israel they just doing their bidden and also they're anti white cuck libtards that supports capital.

>>212038629 (OP)
couldn't happen to a nicer people

>>212039898
'luv haggis
'luv pakis
'luv EU
'luv tartan
'luv kilts

'ate english

simple as

>>212043574
Anglos are cursed people, if Spanish took over north america instead of them Black americans would have been breeded out and problem solved. Instead we got the unironically worse White people in human history.

>>212044528
you're brown lmfao

>>212039317
>>212038705
Based

>>212044528
>problem solved
Not quite, miscigenation would have eased racial tensions alot but it wouldn't solve the butthurt or crime

>>212042637
We don't have dialects, but we have "native diversity".
Also what about Masurians and Kashubs?

>>212043336
Saudians treat them like slaves and have kind of segregation.

>>212044673
we don't really mix with ethnics here either, but their presence is bad enough

>>212043669
You know you can just walk up to politicians and kill them right? Throw a Molotov cocktail at the house of commons?

>>212044732
You have much more mixed race births than muttland what are you on

The brazilification that took america a century is taking the UK some decades

>>212044528
>>212044590
Anglos are peasants and low class. their elites are brown normans and german. Just remember, mayflower anglos were peasants and lucky enough to find empty lands, the reason why almost american events are always racial wars

>>212044639
For masurians they deported a lot of them after WW2 out of spite for allying with us

>>212044812
that's only poor people who can't move away from them

Blud trusted da joos lul

>>212041245
I don't think it's really something so important that would turn the whole country into single issue voters. If people cared that much, then things would be a lot more different. Parties would be more anti-immigration and straight up anti-immigration parties would get the popular mandate to govern without needing coalitions.

>>212044846
I'm not anglo

>>212038629 (OP)
Why is it that they only ever go for major cities in Europe? Here they tend to spread out a bit more to smaller cities and such.

>>212044873
you are so naive it is actually unbelievable, I'm honestly not trying to be rude but you have absolutely no idea how things work here

>>212044853
Poor people is the onw that tends to reproduce.
10% of england and wales pypos age 0-4 are mixed already
The number will likely increase exponentially.
In 2050 you will likely have texas tier demographics

>>212044846
>normans elites (a mixture of franksish germanoid nobles, danish conquerors, breton and flemish nobles and local north frogs)
>brown
My brain on seamonkey

>>212044873
You underestimate how buckbroken anglos are with politics, they're even worse than us with taking politicians lies and mistreatment and not doing anything about it. I blame a lack of Napoleon and communist revolutions

>>212044590
And soon so will you ;)

>>212044631
Black americans were a small fraction probably the smallest that settle in North America. Unlike Caribbean and Brazil you could have breeded them out easily since they were always a vast small pop.

And the one drop rule was the worse thing to have been conceive of bar none..

>>212044957
that's also ethnics mixing with other ethnics

>>212044873
>being ethnically replaced, disposessed and handing your territorial sovereignity and direction of your country to foreign invaders is not imporrant

>unlike important things such as the price of eggs

Not even the case.
Its just rhat parties like reform or the tories will platform on anti-migration policy and then rugpull their base and do nothing except things that are good for israel like trump did

>>212038629 (OP)
uhm, why are the least english spots red? This is VERY problematic, the color scheme should be reversed.

>>212044978
beaner spic wetback manlet vermin
that's your only future

>>212044977
>I blame a lack of Napoleon and communist revolutions
Russians and othwr eastern europeans clearly a shining example of 90 years of marxist enlightment

>>212044800
You know thats a good way to completely ruin your fucking life while giving them ammunition to be even more authoritarian, right?
If you could "just walk up to politicians and kill them" they'd all be dead already.
Don't be a retard, stop fedposting.

>>212044873
>He doesn't know about the pass the post system and how it can be gamed
>He doesn't know about the class-based politics that's rife here
>He doesn't know the UK is a monarchy NOT a democracy
>He doesn't know how the House of lords works and that its not a democratic institution
We should just vote harder next time, right?

>>212044957
they're swarty according to anglos. Only anglos are white

Remember when anglo puritan peasants gained wealth, they were larping as aristocrats and made their own race. Anglo = white, non-anglo including their ex lord's race in britain = swarty

>>212045073
It's not good to have gommunism long term, but every once in a while you need something to scare the (((elites))) and not let them get too comfortable.

>>212045095
>I can't possibly go out and actually try to do something what if I stub my toe and it hurts :((((((

>>212041066
I blame the Tories. The Conservatives spent decades saying "We can't do anything about [Insert Relevant Topic] because of the EU" and whipped up major anti-EU sentiment through just using the Union to scape-goat everything. The EU referendum was seen as a solution to the (at the time) sky-high immigration because the Conservatives just kept saying they couldn't do anything to lower it because of "muh EU."

>>212045114
They arent though
There was a higher social mobility between the high middle ages and the english revolution than before.
The gentries and other commons of local saxon origin like squires, stewards, smiths, etc. Were generally absorbed into minor noblity and minor noblity would often rise to the higher noblity.

For example newton had ancestry from welsh noblity and a shitton commons, in fact his paternal line traces back to welsh kangz

>>212045236
to be honest the EU does prevent member states from changing their immigration policies much, but just leaving the EU alone is not gonna magically solve every problem the country has.

>>212044923
Well, try me. I feel like there would be a different level of organization if native Brits were such ethnonationalists. You can be vaguely anti-immigration (or some sort of "I want legal immigration of people who contribute") but not make it forefront of your politics.
>>212045095
I do know about your election system. I could know more about house of lords but I haven't heard of them or the monarchy stopping anything.
>>212044977
If they don't want to do anything then that also supports my point

>>212045271
welsh arent white

>>212045296
>Well, try me.
mate there is no point, it has already been explained in this very thread and all across int over many years, you clearly haven't even bothered reading the thread

>>212045287
True. As stupid as Brexit was, what was stupider was not taking advantage of the *few* advantages it could have given us.

>>212045184
It doesnt matter, the elites in the anglosphere are a mixture of masons and jews.
These people is not really attached to the capital or to the religious/noblitary institutions communism targets

Ever wondered why most of russian oligarchy is jewish?
They opweate across secular institutions: the media, the press, logistics, consultancy, academia, intelligence, entertainment, advertisement.

Even if you had a communist revolution all of those things would remain on place

You need to behead the nobles and the journalists all the same

>>212045446
unlimited pakis?

>>212045287
They didn't want magical solutions, they wanted only one thing, no more immigrants.
But this wont happen in any form of "democratic" goverment that we have today. They are all on board on this, voting literaly doesn't matter.

>>212045501
you're being dense on purpose
I don't know why brexit upset germans so much, it is like they took it personally

>>212045296
not the same brit, but when you said "anti-immigration parties would get the popular mandate to govern without needing coalitions" you should understand that our Conservative Party was *meant* to be anti-emigration, and they were in power for 14 years. They won four elections based on the promise of lowering emigration and they sent it thunder-cunting through the ceiling. The diplomatic route was pursued for years and the Tories just decided not to do the one thing people voted them in to do. Labour meanwhile have actually taken a more anti-immigration stance they have done in the past. They funnily enough have done more than the Tories ever did, not that that's a big achievement.

>>212040500
>Notting hill riots 50s
>Enoch Powell in the 60s
>National Front 70s & 80s
>BNP 2000s

>>212045567
*immigration - not emigration

>>212044639
>Also what about Masurians and Kashubs?
the former are all in Germany by now, the latter are such a small group so not really noticeable, also quickly assimilating/dying out, like all rural communities

we definitely lack diversity in big cities, with the exception of Upper Silesia where the dialect is still fairly strong

>>212040500
You should realize the british media is dystopic and extremely controlling and prone to manufacture consensus so the government has a handle to supress the population.

Remember the riots last year?
They basically crafted the narrative it was a handful neonazis breaking business for no reason so the government had a free way to send the pigs at them and supress it if not deliver more hate speech laws and arrest for wrongthink
Even if the british public was extremely agitated, the british intelligentsia is very manipulative and controlling
They will rewrite history and wont even allow a opposition or concensus narrative to form

>>212045849

>>212040500

Going against multiculturalism and immigration was a big no no before 2015-2016
Only literal fascists or far-right parties opposed immigration, and we're talking about a time where being a far right chuddie wasn't the norm, it was quite extreme.

Also, this is from Italy perspective, so in a situation that is MUCH earlier than Britain (we have our 2nd and 3rd generation migrants now, they're like 5th gen.. ) if you're a native you don't really care that much about 1st or 2nd generation migrants. They're adult, they do jobs normal people don't want to do, can't speak the language, don't hang out with natives, it's like they live in a separate bubble so it's very easy to "ignore" their existence. Especially if you're middle class or upper.

It's with the following generations that you see something is changing very rapidly. Suddenly you see kids, teenagers, entire families, mixed couples, and society around you start to change, TV programmes aimed at non-natives, kids in school are 30% called Mohammed or Raùl or Esteban, and you're like "wtf just happened?" all in a span of 6-7 years.

I'm saying this as a non polfag, in fact i don't have any problem with migrants if they don't break my balls and respect our values (and they usually do that) but yeah the process you're mentioning was relatively fast.

>>212043729
history of a centralized country with one "good" dialect spoken by the royal court everyone tried to mimic, then 19th century nationalism where every kind of internal diversity was looked down on as possible betrayal, then communism which really tried to erase any kind of local identities and then we have modern ubiquitous media, nowadays even Polish language itself is pushed out by English

Diversity.
Built.
Britain.

>>212039081
It is insanely impressive desu. They're at an island yet they're almost ethnically replaced in a couple decades.
Ony Sweden and Canada do it worse. Sweden manages to do it in 10 years while being in the north of Europe and Canada did it while being as far away from any brownoids as you can get.

>>212045546
cause it felt like you blamed us for (You)r domestic issues.

>>212041135

us Meds gets a lot of south Americans and Romanians, they're much more easy to integrate.

Nordfags and especially brits gets a shitton of Arabs, Indians and pakis. That's a whole different thing, it's a completely different culture.

>>212045880
It was truly eye opening how literally every single british media outlet indexed would use the exact same catchphrases and wording to create a fake consensus about the riots
They wouldn't even bother rewriting it, word by word, they used the same catch phrases and narrative

>>212041245
*ahem*

>>212041483
They use Italy as a gateway. Man if we received 300.000 refugees yearly and they all decided to stay, we would definitely notice

>>212043336
How come it's always men? Does this mean theres abundance of single women in islamic cunts?

>>212045484
England is a heavily classist country akin to a caste system. Between circa 1980 up to the 2000s the british lower class saw a huge increase in wages and general bargaining power when it came to workers rights. This is the importation of a new serf class and a way to put the chavs back in their place

>>212045961
the eu is partly responsible for some issues
sorry but it's a fact

>>212046049
But why are anglokikes so susceptible to the media? Here everyone knows they are full of shit

>>212042761
>They live in a prison created by their own minds
soon to live in a prison created by the state, if they do anything other than stand by and watch

>>212046160
no one believes any of it you utter fool, you get arrested or investigated ig you openly question the narrative

>>212045978
sounds like a big cope since so many pizzerias have bangladeshi workers there but oh well I guess I am listening here and I get called nordcuck again for literally just being white while you are not

Utterly depressing how this is basically irreversible without a genocide at this point. In less than half a century multiple countries with hundreds of years of history had their demographics changed forever.

>>212038705
>tf
>tp
Forget to turn off your VPN saar?

>>212045236

That explains a lot.
I mean, you still have to be pretty retarded to fall for that. It's something I would expect for my country, not the uk

>>212046235
>Utterly depressing how this is basically irreversible without a genocide
You would want that wouldn't you?

>>212046160
they were literally letting violent criminals out early to make space for people that questioned what the media said

>>212046121
Merkel overstepping during the migrant crisis will take decades to heal the chasm she created in the union. Maybe it was for the best in the long run. Personally i feel like it's a malleable institution and that was a shock to the system that it needed. Rather than us being boiled slowly like a frog and all of that

>>212046115
>England is a heavily classist country
i dont see them being much different than us, other than that "our" Wallenbergs and Porsches dont trace their ancestry back to the feudal ages.

the House of Lords is medieval bullshit, but they dont have legislative power afaik.

>>212042254
Swap you our browns for your Anglos

>>212046287
there was also nothing we could do.
when boris johnson became PM (he wasn't even elected) he brought in 1 million immigrants in a year.

>>212046353
in Germany you dont have lower class English and high class English

>>212046353
>i dont see them being much different than us,
>the House of Lords is medieval bullshit, but they dont have legislative power afaik.

LMFAO
M
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A
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>>212046353
It's noticably more pronounced there

>>212045978

Calm down bro I didn't want to offend you. Sorry for the nordfag thing, it wasn't meant to be offensive, it's like being called pizzafag for us, just a nickname. Sorry though

> Bangladeshi workers

Yeah you're kinda right, there's definitely lots of the but they're still quite easy to integrate. It's like Indonesians, it's that kind of Muslim migrants that doesn't tend to cause much fuss, and mainly minds his business, you know. You'll never see a Bangla wanting to promote sharia in a school or manifesting in the central square burning Israel or EU flags, you know what I'm saying.

>>212039081
WW2 and cold war both polarized the British people into being so "anti-racist" that they took it to an extreme and literally let every race possible into their country. They did this blindly tough, ignoring the fact these 3rd worlders destroyed their own countries and would do the same to England.

>>212046353
>i dont see them being much different than us
bruh
you don't know what it is like here

>>212046482
you know which one of our countries has higher wealth inequality?

you dont.

>>212046353
No it's not comparable. You don't appreciate how little class mobility there is there. Some white trash german motorhead can create a succesfull excavator rental bussiness and become a millionare and him and his family will be welcomed with open arms into the upper echelon of society. In England he remains low class, vulgar, tacky outsider no matter how much money he has

>>212046465
you literally made that all up, you fucking mong lmao

>>212042761
They've been demoralised and demonised by the powers that be. It's state induced suicidality

>>212046160
It doeant matter if you dont trust it so lo g they control the consensus and what is being doscussed.
If you dont -know- what is happening. Low information people or those that are not really plugged in the situation wont get awareness of what is actually happening
They quite literally supressed the fact it was some ghanian muslim negro beheading children and made it about some "whitey farrighters went cazy out of blue and began sacking bussiness" narrative
If you control the media you control the diacussion and if you control discussion you control what people believes to be happening
Doing that, you get excuses to pass laws to supress the pooulation while obfuscating what they really are

>>212046505
I know you're making a point but it really does go to show that you really don't get how things work here
there is no social mobility, it basically doesn't exist

>>212046529
you're overthinking it
you were literally just arresting anyone they could that didn't sumbit to the narrative
that's literally it, there's no clever gameplan, it's just open humiliation to force people to pretend.

>>212046557
what prevents you from stepping into a social elevator and pressing a higher button?

>>212046605
they*
lol

>>212046623
I wish it worked like that

>>212046353
>the House of Lords is medieval bullshit, but they dont have legislative power afaik.
anything that goes through the house of commons HAS to go through the house of lords, and then they have up to a year to sit on it before saying fuck off

>>212046511
well, theoretically yes. practically he's very unlikely to get the capital and survive the initial start-up phases, like anywhere else.

>>212046605
The average british boomer wasnt even aware of what triggered the riots to start with.
They arrested anyone diacussing the true nature of the event and they began crafting a new narrative so the general public wouldn't really understand the situation
Very common cold-war type of propagandization
If you are more or less with the foot on the ground you probably know what's happening, but for the average commoner more concerned about football it was just chavs and nazis having a chimpout. Because the media carefully swept the key points under the rug.

The mass arrests were just part and parcel of it to also keep the population scared of stepping up.
Very dystopian levels of surveillance, these niggas complain about tianmen square when it was triggered by racial riots a well

>>212046712
but he's not going to be actively excluded and shut out of opportunities for not having a norman surname and going to the right (private) school

>>212046746
>The average british boomer wasnt even aware of what triggered the riots to start with.
I can assure you they very much were

>>212044812
You don't really see many mixed people. The blacks here are fully black, not caramel coloured like American blacks

>>212046639
How unpopular is labour atm btw? I assume the support for the left that wss built up aftdr decades of tories is quickly eroding

>>212046712
a german from a modest background can get educated and accepted into a prestigious law firm (theoretically)
this isn't possible here, you HAVE to be from the right class to get any such opportunity

>>212046828
and even decades of socialist governments didnt change that?

>>212046810
everyone hates them, but everyone hates everyone, no one knows what to do

>>212045114
>Only anglos are white
Nobody says that

>>212045331
According to a man who died 200 years ago

>>212046862
>and even decades of socialist governments didnt change that?
no, in fact it is worse now than in previous decades

>>212046160
The media can't convince people, so it creates fake consensus to make you feel like you're alone.

>>212046828
Isn't it weird though? They seem to quickly accept nigerians and pakis into political power, economic administeative positions and academic prestige.
Maybe as indians begin competing with the local british ruling class that should change, but doesn't seems to be the case

You really seem to need a russian revolution tier dekulakization and erradication of the noblity and bourgeoise

>>212047155
too late
we'll perish

>>212047208
You won't, the grim reality is that you will exist to see how shitty it gets. The good part is that you can always fight back, even when the numbers seem against you.
I mean, how many people fit in this island before everything goes south?

>>212046212
I have always thought that the way to combat this is to flood the system with "crime" so it breaks down altogether. Jails are overcrowded, it's so easy to show the system for how fragile it really is.
Let's say 10k chuds protested by saying "nigger" on social media. What happens then? They can't jail all of you can they?

>>212047208
was it forth fighting ww2 against us for this?

>>212047345
they let the actual criminals out

>>212047359
almost like this has nothing to do with ww2 and britain was fine for decades after it

Not for long. This is our nationalist party leader

>>212047445
I hate this kike
it is this awful shit that nobody in wales wants that thwarts support for welsh nationalism and independence
if he said "no immigrants" he'd win the next election, but he is a zog traitor through and through

>>212047438
That would still break the system in the long run. If a movement gets going that breaks the most retarded law you know every weekend, there will be reforms.
Like, gather on public squares with butter knives every sunday or something.

>>212047745
try an convince all those people to potentially ruin their lives forever
easier said than done

>>212038629 (OP)
Scotland and Northern Ireland don't keep ethnic census data?

>>212047520
The party went to shit decades ago. There is tons of nationalists in Wales yet for some reason plaid don’t take advantage of that and instead they choose to virtue signal

>>212047786
they do it separately at different times iirc

>>212047793
they're probably controlled opposition at this point
they repeatedly torpedo themselves
welsh nationalism is popular, how they fail to properly harness this is beyond me

>>212045236
>I blame the Tories for fooling the people
The Tories are among the ones to blame but the average brit who really expected leaving the EU would fix their problems should take most of the blame for not even bothering to do some basic research and eating up every piece of propaganda that came their way

It doesn't even matter because people will vote Reform and the same will happen again. Anyone who was any hope left in the british political class is fucking stupid

>>212046828

grim
So the meme that Britain ruined India starting the caste division back in the raj era isn't that far fetched. You guys were just implementing what you had at home

>>212047843
Interesting, thanks!

>>212047438
>nothing to do with ww2 and britain was fine for decades after it
lol
Mass migration began in 1948

WW2 was a victory of Jews over Aryans

>>212040500
>>212041245
The BNP existed and was strong 15-20 years ago, it was sabotaged by the state.

80 years of "victory" in WW2
>British Empire lost
>jews in positions of power everywhere
>country bankrupted
>flooded by racial trash from the third world

We live in hell. WW2 was a crippling blow for the white race. The danger we face now, from the enemy within our gates as well as the one still outside, is greater than the one we faced from the deracinated Romans in the first century, the Huns in the fifth century, the Moors in the eighth century, or the Mongols in the 13th century. If we do not overcome it, we will have no second chance.

National Socialism is only way.

>>212048208
nah they already had their caste thing going

>>212044528
>Spanish took over north america instead of them Black americans would have been breeded out
Spain bred mutts in Latin America

Real English settlers conducted exterminationism. The mistake was slavery.

>>212047438
>almost like this has nothing to do with ww2
not directly ofc, this is a grotesque oversimplification, but there's a glimpse of truth to it.

but Britain did completely reject Mosley and ethnicity never ever played a significant role in British politics again, with Indian and Pakistani politicians ruling the country occasionally and no one even batting an eye. Britain is arguably the most race-agnostic country in Western Europe today, and thats saying something.

meanwhile, in continental europe, there's at least a semblance of ethno-nationalism that's continuous since post-ww2.

>>212045095
>giving them ammunition to be even more authoritarian
>"D-don't hurt them or maybe they'll hurt us back..."
What a cuck mentality man, absolutely grim

It's insane how much we tolerate our cities being biotrash zones.

I shouldn't have to go outside and see dark biomass shambling about or drug addicted homeless people. They are an affront to the senses.

I should be able to go outside and see beautiful blonde women everywhere.

>>212048602
utter nonsense
there was one unelected paki pm that everyone hated

>>212048832
I count three men in positions where they would never ever be in continental Europe, not even in the most cucked countries, simply because of their ethnicity.

>>212049007
london doesn't count as it is a paki city
and the pm and scottish first minister weren't elected, they got to power due to internal power struggles in their parties, and neither lasted long at all

>>212049189

>>212038629 (OP)
Cornwall should have constitutional status as a separate nation from England, like Wales

>>212049789
again, not elected

>>212038629 (OP)
>>212038705
This
Absolutely deserved, i hope they start getting actually genocided too so we dont have to hear nihilistic excuses "oh we done commited genosuicide and shiet" i' the future by the 40 crackas left

>>212049936
you're just jealous you aren't white and everyone knows it
you're being replaced too lol

>>212050067
No one wants to be white let alone in this very day
>Being replaced
By who LMAO ? We dont even have a microscopic fraction of the amount of foreigners you have, and even if we suppose we're being replaced it's kinda sad that this is your only deflection
enjoy the hell your parents built

>>212050162
>No one wants to be white let alone in this very day
cope and we all know it lol

>>212049895
How do you mean? He was the first minister

>>212050237
>n-n-no u
KWAB : the race

>>212042513
Wales is a third world country

>>212050327
That also says Estonia is third world which isn’t true since I’ve been there it’s nice

>>212050162
You have a gorillion subsaharans in morocoal

>>212038629 (OP)
I've given up on the UK. Criticism of immigration on an ethnic/cultural basis was a taboo fringe topic up until very recently, and usually ended up with you getting called thick and racist by anyone middle-class and above. Now that immigration issues have begun to affect them, it's suddenly a problem that needs to be addressed. Well, good luck fixing it now.

>>212050259
his party was already elected, he didn't have to win an election as head of his party, his party won under a different leader and he subsequently weasled his way to the top via internal party strife

>>212050421
According to who ?
Last population census says 150,000, nowhere close to whiteys disappearing literally in the next generation

>>212050301
says the 75IQ, 5'2" l desert cultist nonce worshipper lmao

>>212041448
The truth is this is all part of the Five Eyes population experiment plan

>>212050561
Oh yeah I get what you mean

Personally I'm obsessed with british politics because they are the culmination of all that's happening in western Europe and Canada. The forced acceptance of cultures and ideologies completely incompatible with western values. The canadian PM recently said that "muslim values are canadian values" and that's so fucking absurd and stupid, it just makes me wonder how the west has reached such a point of delusion where they are okay with the complete replacement of their common values and ideologies, all out of fear of enforcing them on inmigrants because someone could call them "racist" or "bigoted".

The british political class is so fucking rotten to the core. Two weeks ago a woman was laughted at in congress because she said that they should ban burqas (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DvyzTDIYHzE). In itself banning burqas wouldn't do much, the problem goes further than a piece of clothing but just the reaction of the congress says it all. How they all instantly react, act offended and ready to defend a foreign culture and foreign values before their own. It's crazy.

If brits don't set a standard and start to swing the pendulum on the opposite direction the rest of the western world will continue the same path. I 100% think they need a revolution or a huge governmental change but I don't see that happening any time soon so I guess we are all fucked and doomed to end up the same way.

>>212038629 (OP)
based wales

>>212050596
>implying your mistery meat kang government is keeping track of them

>>212050900
>they are okay with the complete replacement of their common values and ideologies

in what way is this true, if anything the neoliberal progressivism has peaked and the only change is a conservative reaction to some of it's progressivism, but certainly there is nothing in the UK or the Western world that on the ideological level has influence from the Islamic world

this is largely a problem of race esthetics, no need to pretend that Muslim immigration is changing the ideology of neoliberalism, that makes no sense at all

>>212050900
We need National Socialism and a White planet, it's that simple.

>>212051087
>this is largely a problem of race esthetics, no need to pretend that Muslim immigration is changing the ideology of neoliberalism, that makes no sense at all

I'm not talking about neoliberalism adopting islamist ideologies (though they really like to romanticise islam specifically for some reason), I'm talking about enforcing the acceptance of ideas and values that are incompatible with the western way of life on a national level. You can't embrace traditional islamic values and at the same time allow for gender equality, freedom of speech and same sex relationships; it's just completely incompatible.

Either way the problem goes beyond islam. There are also racial conflict and big cultural differences beyond other non white british people. Also it's funny too that the biggest detractors of islamic values being accepted in the UK seem to be the indians living there rather than the white brits, that's kinda hilarious

>>212050900
>Personally I'm obsessed with british politics
oof, my condolences

its a completely, utterly hopeless swamp. and we're next.

>>212050900
>I'm obsessed with british politics
And the anons of this board wonder why we have main character syndrome

>>212051647
The UK is basically is a view into the future for most western countries if things don't really change, so I find it hard to look away

Your country is screwed on so many levels but you already know that

>>212051855
spains' not (much) better, the locals' demographic pyramid is completely fucked sideways and the government casually legalised a million African illegals

>>212051919
I know, I have lived in the Canary Islands. Every street had a bunch of africans sitting on benches passing the time and that was 2 years ago, and they just keep coming and getting sent around the main peninsula

>>212051855
The country is screwed because no one understands who the real culprits are, conservatism has ruined everything but people will continuously vote for conservatism believing they're not the ones stabbing them in the back

>>212052219
you have a labour government now. that will definitely fix everything. definitely.

>>212040500
before 2015 there were some parties warning against the British becoming a minority like the British nationalist party.

But it's similar to how a small number of bandits can terrorise a town . The towns people have enough numbers to rise up against the bandits, but the bandits make sure to destroy anyone who starts resisting them and so nobody wants to be the first one to resist and get destroyed.

Similarly the regime worked hard to get anyone fired who spoke against the demographic replacement of the indigenous British people.

Also, you have to realise that our elites are almost entirely made up by people possessed by the ideologies of liberalism and "progressivism" so almost everyone in a position of power in the UK either believes that the UK deserves mass immigration as punishment for colonialism out of white guilt and white self-hatred , or believes that enough diversity will make the UK like america because diversity is a strength , or believes that simply living in the UK makes everyone British and filled with British culture so having any preference between a Britain of indigenous British and a Britain of pakistanis and africans is irrational and racist. Liberalism -> colourblind individualism + difficulty saying no to any minority groups. "progressivism" -> worshipping minority groups and considering white people to be the source of the world's evil.

Among the elite class who are in positions of power in the country, there are basically no patriots or nationalists who view their people, their ethnicity, as their extended family and consider it their natural purpose to secure their interests for the same reason you would naturally pursue the interests of your relatives.

WW2 white guilt successfully created a new creation myth where all genuine patriotism nationalism must be purged and the concept must be subverted so that the new meaning is loving your country for the sake of what it can do to aid diversity.

>>212053499
The problem is the business sector demands the flood of cheap labor. They create a lobby capable of blacklisting/removing politicians who push back, greasing the palms of politicians who go along, blacklisting citizens out of jobs. Multinationals combine with international political alliances to create a governing force that cannot be resisted by the population of any country in a conventional way. I don't know how this ends but it will be messy regardless. Here in Canada we had our own prime minister giving speeches during covid that listed off WEF talking points verbatim. Trudeau said covid was an opportunity for a great reset with a hint of shame or hesitation, sparkle in his eye as usual.

>>212053499
>Also, you have to realise that our elites are almost entirely made up by people possessed by the ideologies of liberalism and "progressivism"
Hm, that's to be expected, these ideologies all very much originated in the United Kingdom.

But it's not like there never was a ethno-nationalist current in the UK. The whole British Empire was an ethno-nationalist project, Brits considered themselves vastly superior to their subjects and never mixed blood with say Indians. Even Churchill, who fought Chudler, was domestically racist af and condoned imperialism.

Somehow, the progressivist current of British thought obliterated the ethno-nationalist/imperialist one.

How that happened? No idea myself, you tell me.

>>212052761
A blairite government, might as well be conservatism

We're the farthest along the line behind the US, it's really quite grim here but as the spaniard said you should all be watching at as we'll be at the forefront of what's to come.

I don't know what to say, nobody cares, nobody does anything, even our right wingers are mentalist freaks or just grifters.

I would sound like a crazy retard if i talked about this to anyone.

I will probably end up moving to one of the better off countries like Australia and stave off the impending global death of civilised society.

I have a bit of optimism once things get VERY bad, people will do something but by then the damage will have been immense and probably past our lifetimes

>>212053798
that's part of it but is far the whole story a rational.

a capitalist politician who was was not deluded with liberal/"progressive" dogma ( or worried about being criticised by journalists who were would have realised 30 or 40 years ago that there is a bug difference in how different immigrant groups benefit or detriment the economy
so even if a politician only cared about improving basic, objectively measurable things like productivity, tax revenues, reducing crime, it was obvious for multiple decades that importing low skill immigrants from africa and muslim countries would be much worse than having an immigration policy targeting filipinos, viets and other east asians,
However British politicians and civil servants have been unwilling to do this for decades because of ideology. They either believe in blank slate liberalism where all groups are the same and interchangeable as long as they're brought up in the same country. Or they believe that any kind of national discrimination like that is racist and being racist is the single greatest evil possible. Or they believe that borders should be open and any human who wants to come to Britain should be allowed to . Or even if the politicians don't believe any of these things , they're afraid of being criticised by the British journalists who do and will attack them if they do what is in Britain;s best interests at the expense of african/muslim immigrants.

So no, even if multinationals just want immigrants , the obvious productivity, GDP boosting thing for decades has been to open the flood gates to east asia and south east asia not africa and muslim shitholes like pakistan and afghanistan.
MENA + africa are just the least productive, most drain on the taxes and lowest productivity immigrants.

the big effect of liberal or "progressive" ideology in addition to capitalist drivers cannot be neglected.

>>212054451
no need to watch you like a lil' cuck, we're doing our own thing here, joining the action, taking syrians and everyone we can basically.

first white minority country wins!

>>212038629 (OP)
FAFO indeed

>>212054624
giving civilisation to jeets was our biggest mistake, actual humans sewage

>>212051855
The future? We've seen how this plays out.
South-Africa
Rhodesia
The end.
The most blackpilling thing is that white saffers STILL spout garbage about diversity being good. The european race is just broken.

>>212054809
balkanization could realistically happen, and it will be just the icing on the cake of humiliation and the worthlessness of whatever is left in Europe "j-just take that region of my former country I didn't want it anyway"

>>212054754
Giving what?

>>212054451
You've still got some spots of nature and small villages to retreat to should things get really bad. Me and my northern neighbours have nowhere left go. Everything is concrete and interconnected here.

I hope we can get a pan-european movement going to relocate and restart someplace else. This continent is done. I would really like to restart someplace else like Patagonia

>>212053981
I don't know enough to be confident myself.
First of all we need to realise that "ethno-nationalism" is a modern invention, and it was simply called nationalism, since a nation was understood to be a people, an ethnos, because nation comes from natio, people of shared birth.

Liberal philosophy itself easily leads to anti-nationalist conclusions, so that ideology and its anti-nationalist conclusions were starting to gradually seduce the intellectual elite of Britain for a long time.
nathan cofnas gives quite a good summary of that here with the paragraph titled
"the true origin of wokism"
https://ncofnas.com/p/why-we-need-to-talk-about-the-rights
and liberal economists were arriving at similar conclusions from an opposite direction through a utopian belief in free market economics dissolving nations and leading to prosperity, end of all wars etc. The book "who is my neighbour" by thomas achord has a good selection of quotes from these influential 19th century economists.
So it had been brewing as a popular idea among the elites that nationalism was unnecessary , uncool and so on.
Marxism was another strain of liberal-derived anti-nationalist thought that was very popular among early 20th century and late 19th century intellectuals .

it's also possible that in Britain nationalism was already somewhat weakened since Britain was a union of multiple nations, and so leaders of Britain might have had an ideology of imperialism rather than nationalism. "what will bring glory to the crown" or "what will benefit the empire, of which England, Scotland, Jamaica, The Raj etc. are all part" rather than "what will benefit the English, the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish?"

leaving that aside it seems like Churchill was the last leader who might have been a genuine nationalist.
WW2 , and especially the holocaust basically purged nationalism from the elites and nationalism started to be seen not merely not-trendy but as adjacent to the ultimate evil.

>>212055178
Churchil was a traitor, he knew exactly what would happen to Britain

>>212055074
>1AD
LMAO, imagine bragging you never made it past the iron age

>>212055532
Remember, all you had to do was treat people like people
That is all you had to do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule
Read it and tell me about the white man's burden

India will become an amazing place to live any second now that’s it been free from British tyranny for almost 100 years

>>212055074
>>212055644
I know arguing with a Hindutva nationalist is basically impossible because you're all completely schizophrenic but i'll give it a go.

India has been having famines on the same scale for thousands of years, a quick google search would tell you that.

I'm not sure what the graph is meant to prove other than the Indian subcontinent had a GDP proportional to it's massive population until it was dwarfed by a continent surpassed everyone else in administration, technology that allowed them to subjugate the rest of the world.

>>212055684
Not even 78 full years lil bro, about two more years than you
Of course there's growing pains. At least you had the Marshall plan to help with that right?
>>212055762
I'm not a Hindu nor a nationalist. I don't like foreigners invading a place and killing people and stealing. I don't like it when it happened to Native Americans, I don't like it when it happened to Poles or the French, I don't like it when it happened to the Anglo Saxons. Why is that so hard to understand?
You invading another country then crying about being invaded is a double standard, does that go through your thick skull?

>>212055891
it's not a double standard because the situations are different in important ways.
First of all India and africa were already dirt poor when Europeans first arrived. they had very high infant mortality rates and life expectancies in the 30s. By the time Europeans left those places they were far more developed with child mortality down 80 or 90% and life expectancies 30 years higher. So you don't have anything to complain about because your countries were left in a much better state by Europeans compared to when Europeans first arrived.
In fact, when you tally up all the deaths of asians and africans caused by Europeans invading, that number is far, far lower than the number of asian and african lives saved by Europeans spreading their technology to these countries and reducing child mortality by 90%.
By contrast, the mass immigration of third worlders into Europe does nothing but make European countries much worse. see pic >>212054555

secondly, when Europe started conquering asia and africa, it was at a time in global history when nations conquered and exploited the other nations they were capable of conquering that were within their reach. So acting like innocent victims when you were all doing the same thing and were only limited by your worse technology and worse ability to project military force over great distances just makes you sound like someone who joined a mosh-pit and swung his fists at a few people you were capable of hitting then when someone hit you , you cry about how you're a victim and the person who hit you is the bad guy.
Being less competent doesn't make you more morally good.
Thanks to Europeans creating the league of nations and the UN , that more brutal era where conquering other nations was the norm was brought to a close , but now you want revenge when you were attempting to do the same thing? and when the thing you want revenge against actually improved your countries and saved more of the lives of your people?

>>212039743
Considering the fact that the British are arresting like 1,000 people a year for speaking out against it, I don't think they're coping that well. What tends to happen is they have a few too many drinks and chudpost on facebook. People are good at suppressing their true feelings to hold their job but there is a fast building up resentment.

>>212055891
>Of course there's growing pains. At least you had the Marshall plan to help with that right?

Africa has received the inflation-adjusted equivalent of 18 marshal plans in international aid.

>>212055644
what people lmao

>>212053798
>>212054555
If it was really about what big business wanted we'd just do what the Gulf States and Israel do. Bring people in on temporary visas and fuck them off the second we're done with them.

The Big business excuse is a massive cope from leftists who want to save face on the absolute horrific damage their ideology has done. I do think multiculturalism is worse than 20th-century communism.

>>212055891
Our colonization of the world and the subsequent mass migration into white countries have nothing to do with each other. Countries like Ireland and Finland having this happen to them shows it's got nothing to do with any past historic wrongdoing.

>>212055178
>and its anti-nationalist conclusions were starting to gradually seduce the intellectual elite of Britain for a long time.

Yeah fuckwits in London were trying to make Australia and New Zealand accept Indian immigrants as far back as the year 1902. We got around it by giving Indians language tests in Polish lol.

>>212056339
Oh my god it's like talking to a wall
Doing good things does not matter if the good is a byproduct of doing evil. It's like stealing kidneys. Sure you're saving someone's life, but first and foremost your goal wasn't to save a life, it was to put money in your own pocket. Yes, infants' lives were saved, but at the cost of how many adults and other infants?
And let's be honest, Britain didn't give India medicine cause it was the right thing to do. It didn't give medicine out of humanity or brotherhood or mercy or pity or anything like that. Britain gave India medicine cause one more life meant one more Indian's economic output. Ask this guy. >>212056533 For him I'm better off dead than alive simply because I was born in the wrong place with the wrong melanin quantity
For the second part, doing evil isn't acceptable just cause other people are doing it. That's what Jesus said right? Thou shalt not steal. Feed the poor. Love thy neighbor. Forgive my torturers father, they don't know what they're doing. Whatever else. You should know that better than me, you're proud protestants
OK, the Islamists are barbarians, we've known that since the original Afghanistanis who made stuff like the Bamiyan Buddhas or the Bimaran casket were murdered by the current Afghanistanis
>>212056510
What about political stability? Divide and conquer was a fine strategy while it worked. But Kashmir can tell you more about the "what happens after" part. And you're gonna say "They were always fighting". But Europe was always fighting and they came to their senses. Only difference was Europe never had aliens come and divide and rule them. Muslims and Hindus lived mostly peacefully in Mughal India. Don't get me started on the politics of China, esp after the 'century of humiliation'
I'll leave you with Matthew 5:5. If only you'd realised it sooner

>>212057018
What I get annoyed with is this romantic history where you paint your people's mass migration to white countries as the inevitable consequence of colonialism. Mass migration of non-whites to white countries is ideologically driven on our end, and completely unrelated to the shit we did in the past.

I personally don't give a shit that the British conquered and colonized your land hundreds of years ago, I personally don't give a shit if some of your political instability is a result of that (although I doubt it's true). I personally don't give a shit even if you're giddy about the process of western white decline. What is annoying, and really annoying and pathetic, is how brownoids rewrite history to make it seem like it's them overcoming us instead a form of suicide on our part.

Jean Raspail actually wrote that this would happen in Camp of the Saints. After the Indians become a majority, they'll rewrite history and make out they were strong and virile conquerors instead of leeching economic migrants.

>>212057465
>What I get annoyed with is this romantic history where you paint your people's mass migration to white countries as the inevitable consequence of colonialism
this is... this is like complaining why foreign people from a different city move into your neighborhood after you bombed the shit out of their homes. fuckin' hell, what a comedy. check your flag next time when you post because you have 0 right to speak on behalf of whuite peeeple

>>212056533
gemmy

>>212057512
Again, it's happening to white countries that haven't done anything. What did Finland do? What did Slovenia do? The correlation isn't there. And they're often moving from places where bombs haven't dropped. You will struggle to find a correlation.

And why couldn't we theoretically bomb the shit out of countries and not let you in? That's just as possible.

Why do brownoids need this internal justification anyway? Why is it so important for you to believe "well because white people did this we get to move to their countries?".

>>212057512
Bullshit. This is about the third world coming in because they've been allowed to with open arms. Their preferred outcome is to be a privileged minority in a white majority country. The Indians here have already expressed some displeasure about the demographic shift. For example, many who have some some research ahead of time will request to move in somewhere other than south Ontario. Reason: too many Indians in south Ontario already. It has nothing to do with the history of either country and nothing to do with Canada's past in regards to India. 100% selfish motivation.

>>212057465
>I personally don't give a shit that the British conquered and colonized your land hundreds of years ago
You say you don't care but you care enough as long as it benefits you. You think New Zealand is European territory? Look at a map. Read up on how many aboriginals had to die for you to live. How many Native Americans had to die for USA to thrive
>What I get annoyed with is this romantic history where you paint your people's mass migration to white countries as the inevitable consequence of colonialism. Mass migration of non-whites to white countries is ideologically driven on our end, and completely unrelated to the shit we did in the past.
If it was okay for you people to conquer and loot and rape 200 years ago, it's okay for us to live in your country, in relative peace, doing menial labour or educating ourselves or raising children now. It's not like you guys don't do it, The person who taught me german still lives here, maybe 20 minutes away from my house. What's the difference between him and someone who moves to Germany? What's the difference between pewdiepie moving to Japan when Japan never bombed Sweden or vice versa? Besides the colour of their skin that is. And you're gonna say waaaaah rape, theft. Well put those individuals in prison why don't you?

>>212057943
>You think New Zealand is European territory?

It's the land our people conquered and colonized, yes.

>If it was okay for you people to conquer and loot and rape 200 years ago, it's okay for us to live in your country, in relative peace, doing menial labour or educating ourselves or raising children now.

Because I like living in a white country, around white people, and like how white countries are. The only two parts of the world that can be said to be civilized are either white or east asian majority. Everywhere else is a poor shithole. If enough of you move here, this country will start to reflect that, I don't like that.

>maybe 20 minutes away from my house. What's the difference between him and someone who moves to Germany?

There is no difference, but it's up to you to set your own country's immigration policies and I'm in no position to really comment. If you don't want to let him in, fine. What i won't do is try to shame you into letting him in based on some imagined historic wrongdoing.

I think the threat is racial. There's too much of a risk of miscegenation, that'll mean the disappearance of my people. Already I'm seeing too many zoomers with jeet girlfriends where I live. The second is that I don't see the races moving in as being capable of upholding a first world economy.

>>212038629 (OP)
>in my cunt
yes
>in my country
no. any other femanons know this feel

>>212058115
>It's the land our people conquered and colonized, yes.
Just like talking to a fucking wall. You don't even get the irony or the hypocrisy of what you're saying
>Because I like living in a white country, around white people, and like how white countries are. The only two parts of the world that can be said to be civilized are either white or east asian majority. Everywhere else is a poor shithole. If enough of you move here, this country will start to reflect that, I don't like that.
Well there it is, honesty at least
You're racist, I get it. Same thing when picrel happened and /int/ was celebrating the man who did that. But if a black guy did that, it'd be black fathers this and black fathers that. It's a very lizard brain reaction, which is expected from a tard
But remember. These things go both ways. And when it's time for us to be cruel to you, the way that you've been cruel to us, well, let's just say that /pol/ will have enough material to last a lifetime
>There is no difference, but it's up to you to set your own country's immigration policies and I'm in no position to really comment. If you don't want to let him in, fine. What i won't do is try to shame you into letting him in based on some imagined historic wrongdoing.
>I think the threat is racial. There's too much of a risk of miscegenation, that'll mean the disappearance of my people. Already I'm seeing too many zoomers with jeet girlfriends where I live. The second is that I don't see the races moving in as being capable of upholding a first world economy.
That's not the way the world has been set up to work, by your own ancestors ironically, and you know it. It's a global economy of trade; of goods, of ideas and yes, of people. If you don't like it, you could always build a time machine and go to the past and change the mind of Queen Victoria or Columbus or James Cook or something

>>212058115
>civilized
Can you explain this word to me? In simple terms without listing examples and a way that explicitly includes whites and east asians and explicitly excludes everyone else. Cause you use it to just mean foreign

>>212038629 (OP)
Unironically yes, because I sperg out over geography and ethnography, I don’t support it though in countries with actual national cultures like the UK (or anywhere in Europe or even in places like the reservations in America). My neighborhood is around 60% Black (used to be like 70% growing up) of which like 15% are Ethiopian, 5% are Eritrean, like 8% are Caribbean, 2% from West Africa (mostly Nigeria I think, although a lot of Cameroonians have garden plots at the community garden), and 30% normal African American. Around 27% Hispanic of which around 17% are from El Salvador, 4% from Honduras, 3% Guatemala, 2% from Mexico, and 1% from other assorted countries (mainly DR tho I think). The rest is like 10% white and 3% Asian (a few Chinese at the carry out but no real communities). The surrounding areas are more diverse even.

>>212059113
Where we have honesty boxes, high social trust, functioning social institutions with little corruption, etc. We simply don't like living around brownoids or blacks, we flee their neighborhoods the second they start settling in large numbers. Everyone knows what's meant by firstie and what's meant by thirdie. Not all white and east asian areas are first world, but every first world area is white and east asian.

>>212058956
>And when it's time for us to be cruel to you, the way that you've been cruel to us, well, let's just say that /pol/ will have enough material to last a lifetime

I'm not really bothering to try and change your mind. Again, I don't give a shit what you think or want to do. I just find the "well we get to do it because of colonialism" excuse disingenuous.

And yes, I am racist, I think in terms of race.

>It's a very lizard brain reaction, which is expected from a tard

It's human nature to a degree, and I agree it's hypocritical. White men marrying out is really more what drives the latter.

I'm pretty pessimistic about the future here in regards to it.

>>212059263
>Where we have honesty boxes, high social trust, functioning social institutions with little corruption, etc
Lil nigga are you really suggesting the US or the UK or France have little corruption?
Have you tried talking with one of us? I take morning walks pretty often and on the daily I see people go inside stores with their motorcycles running. It would be this easy for anyone to steal it, but nobody does. Can you do that in, let's say, rural Alabama?
>I'm not really bothering to try and change your mind. Again, I don't give a shit what you think or want to do. I just find the "well we get to do it because of colonialism" excuse disingenuous.
Neither am I. I know what you are and how objectivity is difficult, let alone seeing the world from someone else's perspective
>I'm pretty pessimistic about the future here in regards to it.
Yeah when the past let you do whatever against people with my skin colour with no consequence, the future does look pretty grim. Fairness is oppression to the privileged

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>>212053499
Thank you all for your input. I’m actually writing something about this.

>>212038629 (OP)
Yes.
London and Paris were always massive metros where middlemen from all over the world lived.

Bump. I was enjoying arguing with NZ anon

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>>212062488
I dont get it why would you make a moral argument on why you shouldn't allow a foreign interest lobby that has proven to have self interest by being annoyed by you taking land they claim to take your resources or institutional power in your government? It is very self evident why wouldnt you want someone that is fundamentally different to boss you over.

>>212062843
Because you're human you piece of shit. If you don't have a moral argument, then would you be fine with any technologically superior race coming over and genociding you? Because that question has been asked been asked multiple times in history. Native Americans vs the fucking manifest destiny people. Nazis vs Jews. The fucking dutch vs the dodos. The Belgians vs the Congolese. If it was individuals committing these atrocities, there would be accountability. Why not when it's nations committing them?
If, tomorrow, China genetically modified a virus that specifically targeted and killed white people and said "oh well, my tech is better so that gives me the right to treat other people however I want to and I want to treat them with a tombstone." Would that make it alright actually? Of course not. Why is it excused when it's white people doing atrocities? Where's the internal consistency? NZanon admitted he's racist with no sense of fairness and I'm glad he did. How about the rest of you?
Look mate, we were born in relatively peaceful times in relatively peaceful countries, by the sheerest accident. If you were born a Guatemalan in 1940s-50s, you'd be exploited by a foreign company and treated like dirt. Then when you voted in Jacobo Arbenz who tried to stop the exploitation, your country would be coup'd and your democratically elected leader would be assassinated. How is that fair? How much responsibility does America hold to the current state of Guatemala and other central American countries? How about Africa still being exploited by France for free gold and uranium?

>>212063444
>Because you're human
This is a social construct i do not consider relevant.
I want to preserve people that looks like me
And for that, i will have to limit the capacity other groups (that clearly posess self interest and within them lobbies and individuals that agitate and organize jeir own for their self interest) to not expand their capacities and representative powers within my territories.
At bare minimum i would try to cause a decline in your group fertility and emasculate you, at ultimate instance, remove by force
Syou have some sort of idealized kumbaya dogma where reality is static
>then would you be fine with any technologically superior race coming over and genociding you?
It doesn't matter if i am fine or not, bacteria wont ask permission to eat you, herbivores didn't gave predators permission to evolve to hunt them.
If something is viable. And that something creates conditions ripe for itself to keep replicating, it will happen. A race that doesn't cares about my own thriving wont ask itself if its moral.
It will rationalize its the best on their interests and thus prioritize their own developement over my own

Indians wont ask canadians if they are comfortable with indians invading their political institutions, just like angkos didnt asked indians.
They will simply do it because hey are allowed to.
And to disalow them, you will have to remove them
In life we want things others dont, and others want things we dont. Someone will have to capitulate eventually, two things cant be in the same space in the same moment.

If israel should teach everyone something, is that people lies, manipulates and does exactly what they complain about so long they are enabled to
The innocent angels the germans unjustly genocided proved that will remove those that are inconvenient for them.
And lie, manipulate, guilt trip and deceive to attain it.
A organism that tunes down its inmune system and lets others thrive within, its a dead organism being decomposed.

>>212063444
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At any rate, morals require a social contract, what aocial contract we have formed? What social contract injuns formed with americans? Mongols with the iranians?
For morals to exist within us we should have an agreement if cooperation, one qe actually never had
You are on your own, defending your own interests, interests that might be asserted at my expense. And to assert those interests you trample over me.
There is no reason to show simpathy for people that has not shown it.

I am being cynical to make a point here.
These ideas exist and if they exist they will find ways to keep existing, manifest themselves onto reality to do it.

Some people like you -might- be harmless, might be good intentioned even.
But by facilitating you to enter my system, my institutions, my society, i open the gates to those like you with second, often self-interested intentions, that often entail asserting themselves at expense of my long term project consolidation. Or the survival of thing i wamt to survive.
In such a way i would need to keep you away.
Because the things that mantain you and keep you in the shape you currently are would require to trample over those that do the same for me.

Things exist because they are good at existing.
I am just being etreme for the sake of the argument, but many people thinks like this, among all groups, so its safe to undwrstand why wouldnt anyone want people substantially different to be in their government, in their academia, in their press, in their media, in their jobplaces, in their society at all.

>>212039743
We are going the same way.

Our stupid president is bringing boats with africans even in the african coast and he is shipping tens of thousands of them to each Spanish city. In hotels.

Also 1.500.000 southamericans just in Madrid.

>>212062843
I generally try to interact with people in good faith online. Plus it's just the internet so I'm shooting the shit on here.

But yeah, in real life I wouldn't have the time or patience to even argue my point to an indian. I literally don't give a shit to hear why they think they should be allowed to settle the country or whatever. I only try to convince my own people.

The funny thing is The Indian subcontinent is one of the most collectivist places on earth, where castes move as a bloc, the individual is crushed. And yet he's trying to preach to me the virtues of individualism lol.

>>212063444
nta but i think the people your arguing are approaching this problem in a fundamentally different way, none of your appeals to morality are going to work because the people your arguing against consider morality to be something reserved for your own people (something i agree with)

alot of western ethno-nationalists have a knee jerk reaction to dismiss the wrong doings of previous generations because its often used as a justification for the replacement of whites (which it definitely is) so its good to keep in mind when your trying to debate in good faith that these people probably aren't actually as pro-imperialist as they seem, they just don't want to concede any points, because it feels like by doing that they are condoning their own replacement. admittedly its short sighted but i hope you can understand it logically

>>212063927
sudacas are harmless in comparison too what we're getting

>>212063927
I know we are fucked too, it's all so absurd. I've already had an altercation with one of them during my stay in Tenerife. I'll probably start to carry a pocket knife around if they decide to send them close to me

>>212064754
They mostly are but not all of them. Some dominicans for example form criminal groups
Also it's not just about safety, there's no housing. We are in a housing crisis and plenty of them keep flowing into the country increasing the prices even more

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>>212064740
If that's the case, arguing really is pointless. Let me leave you with this. Have you seen the recent growth of China? How about India? They went from serfs to landing on the moon in like 3 generations. Have you seen how long empires last? How long did the Dutch empire last, how long did the British one last after that? How long do you think the American one is expected to last? Meanwhile, the west's worship of consumer capitalism will just end in super rich richs and super poor poors.
Even genetically, what's gonna happen when the 500 million or so white people face the 1.5 something billion Chinese and the equally numerous Indians? The white race will just be absorbed, sooner or later, nuclear war notwithstanding. And let's be honest, nobody's nuking China and India without eating a nuke back? Does that sound grim at all?

>>212064754
Fuck no.
>>212065025
>it's just some Dominicans, saar

>>212064754
The issue here is that we also have more than 1 million moroccoans, 500.000 subsaharans, etc.

The delinquency brought by moroccoans is MASSIVE. 5000 rapes just in Cataluña region alone in 2004, 90% of the rapists were moroccoans. Also murders and lots of problems. 2 weeks ago 3 argelians almost killed a Spaniard that was at the beach listening to music. They destroyed his eyes-orbit and 10 ribs just to steal his mobile phone.