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previous thread: >>212536892

I'm too stupid to learn languages. English is pretty much the only language I've actually learnt. I've tried Latin, Spanish, German and I failed them all.

why would I learn galician when I could learn Finnish?

>>212576623
how long have you tried? have you tried one at once or multiple at once?

>>212576627
galician is two languages at once. with galician, you can understand both spanish and portuguese

>>212576641
>how long have you tried
I was doing Latin for a year (but really trying hard for only like several months before the end) and then I dropped it because it was like completely pointless and I don't like Rome or the Dark Age that much anyway.
Spanish I was doing for maybe half a year including some time simultaneously with Latin but I can't really recall, I dropped it too (because Spain is poor).
I'm doing German for about a year already and I still barely understand anything. It's like still completely alien, it still looks like Finnish or Chinese for me.

>>212576764
you are just too lazy. you need at least 10 years to be good at a language

>>212576764
You're switching too often

>>212576831
Yes that's what I said. I'm actually very bad at languages and I've learnt just a single fucking one after all that time.

>>212576877
you're not retarded, you're just a failure. if you tried harder you'd be able to learn. but just one year isn't nearly enough

>>212576841
>>212576938
My main complain is mainly about German anyway. Idk whether it's because I was heavily into Italic languages previously but it does look extremely alien, like it doesn't look Indoeuropean at all for me. Thai-tier shit, something totally weird but written in Latin script.

>>212576764
You need to listen a lot and read a lot of the language. Just memorizing grammar rules and inflection tables and vocabulary won't make it seem less alien to you. It's like what they say about math: it's not a spectator sport.

>>212576764
IMO you lack motivation and that's why you are failing.

>>212577129
Might be. I don't really like German as much as I liked Latin and Spanish (I've tried some French and Italian back then too) when I was learning them.
>>212577094
Yeah true, I was using Anki for most of the yeat and it barely helped.

>>212577316
You had no motivation to learn spanish or latin either. You dropped one because "spain is poor" and the other because you literally thought it was pointless. You have not listed a single reason for learning any language.

>>212577408
Latin was in my uni curriculum anyway plus I thought it would be a useful gateway to all the Romance languages (it really wasn't) and the LLPSI books I started from were all really awesome.
Spanish I was learning because I thought Spain has very lax entry rules (it really doesn't) and isn't really poor (it really is) so I can go there in the case I fail moving to the US (now I know there's no chance I'd NOT fail) and they speak it there too anyway.
I started German because Germany is the only nice place I realistically can get into. But this time I don't like the language itself though.

>>212576764
Maybe just focus on other things for a week or two. Don't think about German. Then come back, find something to read, and approach it with the mentality that you must be able to read each page from top to bottom and understand everything. Repeat each page as many times as you need, look up everything you need to look up, memorise every word, study every piece of grammar, just do whatever you need to until you reach a point where you can read that page. By the time you reach the end of the book it will no longer seem like an alien language.

>>212577693
Try following the Serbanon's guide
Someone post the infograph

is it still inpoot if i slow it down

I feel the urge to switch the language. I decided to learning Spanish because a friend of mine started learning it and because it's a "big language". It would be great if I traveled around South America on a motorcycle or went to the States, but that won't happen soon for many reasons, so this romantic vision doesn't motivate me. Some childhood games like Just Cause or Total Overdose are not enough.
A Portuguese anon told me that learning Spanish was going worse than learning German because I wasn't inpooting enough content, and he may be right. But I'm having a hard time finding interesting content in Spanish. Especially one for the near future. Peppa Pig, the black hole, and then Cervantes, generals and all that fun advanced stuff
I set myself the challenge of a week (done), a month, and six months of intensive study, and I don't know if it's worth continuing or don't waste my time and try another one with a similar challenge. I know about 100 words, and I have trouble putting sentences together, much harder than any other language I've ever tried to learn in my life, and I was really inconsistent with them

Can any of you orientalists tell me what this is meant to say?

rate my learning resources

>>212579635
This is a library

>>212576570 (OP)
the old coat of arms is kinoer

>>212576623
you don't even know english. you just know how to read and write memes on 4chan. you ESLs don't know shit.

>>212579635
spend more time reading them instead of taking pictures of them like a faggot

>>212579755
No, it's literally my bookcase

>>212579635
I don't see any assimil books/10

>>212580163
I know, it's difficult to find in the UK, I'd love a full set of them

>>212579635
throw away these

>>212580025
Then you have too many books. And it's going to take you the next of your life to learn all these languages.

>>212579635
>>212580025
>thread has devolved into attention seeking faggots posting pictures of their book collections they don't read

>>212580488
>the next of your life
the rest of your life
>>212579391
Yeah, I know Spanish well enough to watch TV and read books okay, but because I can't find content I'm interested in without it being a dub of an existing show not originally in Spanish, I wish I'd learned something else

>>212580542
imagine picking spanish. literally a single first world country uses it, and it's not even a particularly great one. 95% of the speakers are literally brown people in third world countries

>>212576627
This
Turan supremacy

>>212580837
I didn't really pick it. I've learned it since kindergarten. Our teachers taught us math in Spanish. And since we had to take a language in middle/high school, I chose Spanish since I already knew a good amount of it. I came out of high school being able to use it. I just don't like the language very much, or the cultures associated with it.

>>212580970
where the fuck are you from

>>212581420
Maryland

>>212581453
what school teaches math in spanish

Who the fuck even learns Galician

>>212581496
I'm not going to tell you what school I went to, but it's called a Spanish immersion program

>>212581528
>Spanish immersion program
Why did your parents subject you to that? Are you mexican?

>>212581507
if it's anything like the celtic languages, weirdo separatists who butcher the language

>>212581528
Why will the Irish not do something like that with the Irish language?

>>212579533
云岭松楼
Cloudy ridges and towers of pines

>>212579635
How many did you read front to back thoe

>>212580970
What other language would you like to learn?

>>212581763
>Why did your parents subject you to that? Are you mexican?
The Spanish immersion elementary schools have both a lot of non-Hispankc middle-class white children whose parents just think it's a good skill, and also a lot of poor Hispanic children whose parents can barely speak English.
I fell in the former group.
Note that some schools are full-time 100% Spanish, but ours wasn't. We only had Spanish classes half the day and the other classes were in English, and everyone spoke English at recess.
>>212581876
I guess there aren't enough native Irish speakers who won't butcher the language? Not enough books and movies in it? Or learning materials? I don't know honestly.

>>212582020
I see, I've heard about something similar in Canada but with french.
>whose parents just think it's a good skill
Is it?

>>212580837
What's your TL?

>>212582241
>Is it?
I don't think so, unless you associate with a lot of Spanish speaking people, which I don't. Despite how Hispanic the US is, the only thing I can do with this is consume foreign media. I might as well have learned French or German. At least in Canada, there's Quebec, where everyone speaks French, their institutions put French first, and you're expected to learn French if you live there, which would make learning French potentially useful for an Anglophone Canadian.

Fell behind over 4th of July vacation bros
I'm gonna have to grind a four hour Anki session to catch up
Feels bad

>>212582384
there's no use for spanish in the US outside of the souther border states. i live in PA and i've only ever seen a group of hispanic people speaking spanish like half a dozen times my entire life. and it was went into a Walmart or Goodwill. Unless you're in customer service or something it's a meme.

I’ve been grinding a lot of Linguno this week, I forgot how fucking awesome this site is

>>212583620
The black pill is realizing that there are enough native Spanish speakers in the US that companies don't need a Spanish second language learner. If they actually require Spanish they can just find a native speaker. If they can't find a native speaker that's already in the US, they'll import them from one of the countries next door. Just for example, 51% of Border Patrol employees are Hispanic/latino, which is pretty much all of the agents that work the southern border. The remaining border control employees are like custom agents at random airports and shit where they don't need Spanish.
Spanish is great if you want to like volunteer at the library to help 70 year old illegal immigrants fill out tax forms around tax time every year though.

>>212584598
the spanish TL anons aren't going to like this one...

the white pill is realizing you made a mistake learning russian

>>212585826
Why was it a mistake?

>>212580356
Why? Russian is probably more useful than quite a few of the others

input

>>212586541
No, it is so fucking hard and not useful unless you are in Belarus or Ukraine or Russia

You have to be in the native country for a language to be useful. Anybody who says otherwise is meming you with "BUT YOU CAN WATCH ANIME WITHOUT SUBTITLES NOW!!!" tier crap that doesn't really matter.

If you cannot see yourself living in the country it's used, do not learn that language.

>>212586568
>this is what terminally online fags are attracted to
touch gross for christs sake she looks like a human personification of a dog

>>212587302
grass*

>>212586574
central Asians don't speak it anymore?

>>212587363
They just use the Cyrillic writing system

>>212587635
Theyve started switching to the Turkish Latin alfabet

you DO memorise poetry in your tl, RIGHT anon?

>>212589009
Ew, no. I play video games and watch anime.

>>212586574
Okay, what language is useful outside where it's spoken? Languages are useful where they're spoken, no shit. Maybe the only exception is English because Europeans use it to talk to each other.

>>212580891
>turkish
>england, france, germany, switzerland
heilig kök

>>212589489
poetry is still input you know, just more classicalpilled and based requires more effort to understand (which probably is why you spurn it)

>>212589009
I memorize song lyrics
Which is basically poetry

>>212586709
One day I will visit jolly old England and order fish & chips in perfect English and all my effort will finally be justified...

>>212579635
Have you actually read those readers? Would you recommend any of them? Are they character text and are they traditional or simplified?

>>212586709
>BUT YOU CAN WATCH ANIME WITH SUBTITLES

This is actually exactly why I’m learning Japanese. And my reason for learning Mandarin is literally because throughout my childhood living near a chinatown I always wanted to he able to read the signs. Also I want to be able to understand chinese shittalk. They speak very loudly in public about others.

I just think people need to moderate their effort according to the goal. So since mine is basically just reading and listening comprehension I’m pretty narrowly focused on reading along to audio. Since my Japanese goals are just engaging with JP subbed media I just watch a lot of Japanese stuff with subs and look up words with yomitan when I want and read Tae Kim from time to time. Basically because I’m motivated by fascination and curiosity I work in a method entirely based on doing what I find fascinating.

Korean, on the other hand, is likely to become a professionally very meaningful language if I get around to it. I’m going to casually engage with it this last year of grad school and just build some passing familiarity, core vocab, and smoothness reading hangul + extremely basic convo and do something more rigorous after finishing my degree.

>>212590238
You dropped your fedora

>>212591302
I’m actually liable to end up in the land of any of these 3 though so it’s basically just “casually reach A1-A2” so I can impress on hiring managers that I’m deeply interested enough in the region and living there that I’ve done this on my own. It makes me think I should probably do like HSK4 (or more probably the Taiwanese equivalent) at some point though since I’m about HSK3 now in reading level. Really I should try to get to an actual A2 and then do some focused studying to get a B1-equivalent certificate from each language for employers.

But whatever, that’s all for the future when I can afford tutoring and stuff to get over my fear of speaking in my TLs.

>>212589009
Poetry is valuable in that the grammar is often seen as abstract or advanced, and you can really internalize formerly unfamiliar vocab that is often “advanced” by having a really focused study of a short set of words.

IMO 文言文 is actually a fun way to pick up a few chinese characters here and there because the cadence/rhythm of, say, a tang dynasty poem works as a mnemonic device for remembering tones and even character reading and meaning. Like, I have learned at least a few characters by heart just because I memorized a proverb or short poem they were in.

>>212591302
>This is actually exactly why I’m learning Japa
not reading any more of this bullshit

>>212591306
whats your tl

The other big value of 文言文 for learning characters is that, since it’s monosyllabic, you effectively learn each character in its “base” form; while Mandarin is sort of like pushing 汉字 into a format that works with vernacular.

In essence, 文言文 is the true “language” that 汉字 are built for, while Mandarin sort of distorts it to fit the modern language and so for remembering the particular abstract meanings of characters it can be really helpful IMO.

With HSK lists for example, you might get 起床 as “get out of bed” and that’s gonna be much easier to intuit if you already know picrel (or any of the other many compound words constructed from these characters).

>>212591952
Sorry, my bad, I’m not learning Jap, I’m watching subbed anime for fun. Along the way I will presumably pick up *a little* bit of Jap. Also it was my foids idea as a way to spend time together so have sex incel.

>>212591952
What’s your TL and how advanced are you?

>>212592165
>The other big value of 文言文 for learning characters is that, since it’s monosyllabic, you effectively learn each character in its “base” form; while Mandarin is sort of like pushing 汉字 into a format that works with vernacular.
Hm, I thought it was the opposite. In Mandarin, every character is always one syllable, and may be homophonic with other characters because of sound changes, whereas Classical Chinese had some characters that represented "one and a half" syllables (like how in English "snowy day" doesn't take any more time to say "hot day"), i.e. they were sesquisyllabic.

>>212592409
You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I mean that classical words are to one character, and most people use Mandarin readings for the characters. Since Mandarin characters are monosyllabic, Classical words are thus read as monosyllabic by anyone not interested in scholarship of reconstructed middle chinese.

Chinese or Japanese first?

>>212593061
you wont do either

>>212593061
If you were actually to do both, then Chinese first. But like the other anon said, you probably won't. Learning either of them takes a ton of time and effort.

>>212587635
Many of them knew it as a second language during Soviet times

learning russian will ruin your life

>>212593948
Did it ruin yours?

>>212592165
>With HSK lists for example, you might get 起床 as “get out of bed” and that’s gonna be much easier to intuit if you already know picrel (or any of the other many compound words constructed from these characters).
I don't really see how that's different from normal inpoot. you can already intuit that 起 is about rising from other words like 起飞, that iirc also appear in HSK and bed is self explanatory if you know the radicals and are given context.
You are probably right about the rest and I'll def look into it as the poems themself seem fun
>>212593061
Pick the one you will be more motivated to stick to.

¿Dónde está el baño?

im 3 days into german as a false beginner and im getting frustrated at not being able to understand nietzsche on the fly
like bruvver stop talking about worms curling up and ribs, just talk about the theory, get to the point
bombast is to philosophy what dull language is to fiction

>>212592082
Are you asking for realzies or for the lulz?

>>212595916
>asking if im serious instead of just saying it
fucks sake...

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

>>212594075
significantly

>>212576570 (OP)
I need to get to at least B1 in Hungarian for my interview and idk where to bloody start

>>212596406
say this: "jo reggelt! akarom a picsad"

>>212596169
How? So you learn Russian, great skill, but that somehow ruined your life? Makes no sense

learning russian will fix your life

learning russian will be neither a profit nor a loss

>>212596560
he's probably doing that vile normie thing were they say something vague on purpose and you're just supposed to infer what they mean because their peers all lead the same life so they can do that

>>212596532
I can read that stronzo

>>212597624
suck my shorts pendejo

>>212593061
Chinese = literacy foundation
Japanese = might be more fun

Chinese first if you’re going to do both. If you reach literacy in Chinese the carryover to Japanese will be stronger. Grammatically they’re very different though so there’s not much carryover there.

Otherwise I’d say Japanese is more fun since the inpoot tools online and resources are more developed. Also the phonetics are dramatically easier. So when it comes to your “first language” and you want something that is less textbook oriented I personally find Japanese fits that better, whereas every piece of Chinese I’ve learned so far has had to be hammered into my skull by rote to make it stick. Ultimately what’s right for you is really personal.

>>212594169
It’s just a matter of focus/emphasis. When I do poetry I get a very small set of characters that I can commit to memory thoroughly, with the focus being entirely on the characters themselves since they’re all effectively words.

Obviously the carryover to Mandarin beyond that it pretty limited unless you want to shock the natives with a heckin proverb.

>>212597215
Kek

>>212597658
n'da fess' e mammt

>>212591031
The Chinese ones? Yeah they are brilliant. The HSK on it's own is a bit intense as it switches to 100% Chinese by HSK4 books, but the readers are brilliant

>>212595779
Kde je záchod?

>>212597954
Great. I just want chinese readers anyways lol. Can always use more reading with a constricted vocab.

>>212597954
Are any of those readers offered in traditional characters? I’m trying to focus on that first.

how did learning your TL change your life?

>>212599893
nobody on here has changed their life. 4chan is for losers. period. you cannot have a good life and go on 4chan or any internet social media

>>212582725
what vacation is there on the 4th of july

If dub i dabble in nubian

>>212599893
Learned a good bit of different languages, it's helped me in my career

I may not have a gf yet but I'm working on myself, my languages, and my PhD all the while

>>212599893
not at all, because I'm too much of a pussy to talk to people

It’s really bizarre to me that the 60s was this golden age of thick textbooks with a shitload TL words, the input hypothesis is proposed in the 70s, which should broadly support the dense approach of the 60s, and yet textbooks got slimmer, filled with pictures, and now have far less running text relative to new vocab and grammar.

Like, one would expect an explosion of readers, especially readers that start at square one. Instead, many readers still don’t have an introductory stage.

The longest textbook series I have found in terms of Chinese input is Defrancis Chinese, which when you add up the character text of all the main textbook and readers is like the size of the bible, and it all has audio. It’s literally 24 1 hour long lessons in just the main text of the beginner textbook and like double that in the beginner reader. All 3 reader tiers combined is about 1200 characters, but like 8,000 vocabulary introduced over 500k+ characters and like 2500 pages of almost entirely Chinese characters. This textbook is now like 70 years old and I can’t find anything that takes a similar approach.

>>212605948
The death of the Nature Method Institute was a disaster for language textbooks.

>>212606175
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. Pre-input-hypothesis, there were several creaters of extensive comprehensible input series for various languages. If they’re still around, their method emerged before the 70s like assimil, linguaphone, or the nature method.

Heck, natural lexical acquisition by input literally goes back to Comenius in the 1600s and his Janua Linguarum (and similar works used for teaching Latin via pictures and comprehensible input).
The Janua were a set of texts whereby the enterprising 17th century man could teach himself something like 8,000 unique Latin vocabulary with a parallel translation into say English for example, and then he would be able to use his knowledge of the Latin text to then read all 15 other translations of the Janua. Janua Linguarum is “gateway of languages” by the way because it was expressly intended for polyliteracy.

>>212605948
>>212606247
The input hypothesis was proposed in the 70s but so are all other language learning methods. Pre-input-hypothesis is actually Pre-anything-hypothesis as well.
Before the late 60s and the 70s there was no formal study of second language learning, people were just doing whatever.

>>212606374
PS. second language instruction is a scam field, they will all tell their method works but the only thing that is actually proven in literature is that massive amounts of input are necessary, everything else is just an hypothesis.

>>212605948
>>212606247
The market of serious language learners is small, they realized that it's much more lucrative to make light beginner materials with big promises because most people who buy are on a language learning dopamine high that won't last long enough to reach the end of the material. The same reason why apps are popular.

do you guys think in the future like in 2050 everyone can speak english?

>>212606831
No, europe should be well underway to switching to arab by that point.

>>212606987
i think in 2030 people with the self-censorship and brainrot terms will takeover the english language and not be able to converse anylonger.

>>212606831
AI voice generation and translation will make it cheap to create dubs for any series or film, English content with subtitles in the local language won't be common anymore, it will all be dubbed. Youtube is the closest to this, they will probably add a feature that dubs videos automatically within the next couple of years.
Nobody will learn English "accidentally" anymore, you will have to change settings in your youtube account or web browser to force it to show you content in English.
Ultimately English will be like multiplication tables, you still learn it in school at a young age but as you get older you forget it because of lack of need and because your phone can do it way better than you can.

bump

>>212596406
Start by not lying on your job application next time.

>>212599893
It didn't. I do the same shit, just in a different language now.

Norwegian sounds so cute and soft to me, that it compels me to learn it.

How much does vocabulary stick to you? I often try to remember a word in my TL, realize that I forgot it, look it up, then feel like completely shit once I realize how familiar it looks to me and how I used to know it well. Given this happens to maybe 20% of words I study, but it's still really awful. I just hope it's not me and this isn't a sign of awful memory

>>212613616
I think to remember a word, you have to hear (or read) it used in a lot of contexts multiple times. Spaced repetition helps you keep it fresh in your brain so next time you hear it, it's not completely foreign.
But yeah, I also have the same problem. I hear the word a bunch of times and keep looking it up. I'm thinking looking up the definition doesn't actually help me remember the meaning better.

What's the most average language?

>>212615075
The languages of the world are diverse. It might be easier to ask about the most average language in a particular region or family.

German + Italian
or
Dutch + French?

>>212615189
German + French

>>212615584
Too difficult to learn these two. One of them must be an easier version of its counterpart from the other pair

French or Russian?

>>212616054
French

>>212615189
Why'd you stop learning Spanish?

>>212616203
Still learning. I finished the anki review a few moments ago. But I can stop at any time. I set myself the challenge of studying intensively for a week, and I achieved it. I'm a bit dissatisfied with the results. I focused solely on Spanish for the last 10 days, and I don't see any better results than when I studied Spanish and French simultaneously, except that I remember French better. Maybe that's because Spanish pronunciation is considered easy and few materials focus on it, whereas with French, it's heavily emphasized from the start. Idk.
I also don't have much motivation to learn Spanish. I'm having a hard time finding content I could enjoy in the near future. Peppa Pig and Spanish After Hours, then Black Hole and Don Quixote.

>>212616434
You think you're gonna find more interesting content in french or dutch(lol)?

>>212616547
In French, yes. Dutch would be problematic, ngl, but it's almost the same as it is with Spanish, but I've included it as an alternative to German, just like Italian is to French.
I know people who speak and work in French, I know someone who teaches Italian, and several native speakers. I know people who speak German, although I don't particularly like them because they're arrogant and have sticks up their asses. I even know two people who speak Dutch.
I have this much in common with Spanish: I used to enjoy video games set in a Spanish-speaking world, like Just Cause or Total Overdose, and I'd like to ride a motorcycle across South America someday and I like swarthy girls. That's it. I don't have short-term / medium-term goals.
But I think that Italian also does not have this intermediate content.
>>212616434
>I'm having a hard time finding content I could enjoy in the near future.
It shouldn't be: I can enjoy?

>>212617081
Let me get this straight. So, you think you're gonna find more interesting content in french because you know two people who work with french?

>>212617230
No, I just have more common with these languages.
I'll find use for it more quickly and create a TL-speaking environment around me, giving me more reasons to learn and staying motivated. For now, I'm learning Spanish for an hour a day, but the results are poor, and I'm starting to dislike the language. Romanticizing a language and culture also plays an important role in language learning, which is why so many people manage to learn Japanese.

>>212617618
So, you think that if you learn french, you'll use it to talk to your friends who 'work' with french? Do you know that most people who 'work' with a foreign language only write two emails and respond to three others in that language?

>>212606385
this general doesn't need to exist. it's just a place to post language memes.

all anybody needs to do to learn a foreign language is

1. anki the first 1000-2000 most common words

2. input as many hours per day as possible. you'll eventually start outputting naturally

3. light daily study of a textbook to keep yourself on track, like 15 minutes per day

all of that together is basically maxxing out on language learning redpills if you don't have a lot of money. this isn't hard. it just takes a lot of hours and 99% of people just don't want to commit.

>>212617904
noooo you don't understand he's going to make a bunch of french friends, and then meet a french girl who's a virgin with no debt or tattoos who finds him attractive

>>212611263
>Start by not lying on your job application next time
Everyone does this

>>212606385
By the way, what do you guys think of Brown's hypothesis that not only is a great amount of input necessary, but that instruction is actively harmful and analyzing causes fossilization?
https://bradonomics.com/brown-autobiography/
(Just ctrl-f for "the methods" and it's the second result)

>>212606411
I guess if I bought one book and never came back because I got fluent that’s a business failure. Still it’s really frustrating how hard it is to find something that’s just beginner-advanced extensive TL reading. You’d think it would be one of the easiest kinds of materials to make because you basically just take a frequency list, go to the most common 2000, and just choose from among those every chapter and add a chunk of words to compose a chapter.

>>212618385
Well I feel like there’s a lot of guys that say shit like this but then they don’t have anything to offer in terms of learning materials, and the definition of input is often left vague.

For example, is an introductory text where you do build-up drills or similar drills “input” or “instruction” formatted like this?

>have
>I have
>I have a ball

>I
>I have
>I have autism

It just taught a grammar rule, it’s technically not natural language input, it probably has a footnote for the lesson explaining what’s going on. So would listening and repeating to audio while reading this be input or instruction? Because it basically just amounts to reading in the TL in a very limited form. But then a lot of these input guys imply I should just go watch 5000 hours of unsubtitled dreaming spanish and still be A1 in speaking.

it's been a week and i still mix up ヌ and ス is there a mnemonic or something i can use for my retard brain to stop messing up

>>212618385
so he's saying that
- trying to speak is bad
- trying to analyze the langauge, or ask any questions, or think about the language at all is bad
- any instruction is bad

>>212618769
ALG tends to want to teach the language to you aurally long before they get you to read, and they don't do drills; they just try to speak to you in a way that you'll eventually infer the meaning.
Comprehensible Thai has a lot of content. The first video of the absolute beginner course is like this: https://youtu.be/-p7S14UVJa4?si=M_Fsq4druTqvshyA
Or the equivalent for Japanese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC5RHt8unAI
For absolute beginners, they'll literally gesticulate, but they do that less and less as you go up the levels.
Also, videos are a worse substitute for a real-life version of this, but all we have are videos right now. There used to be a Thai ALG school.

>>212619069
Yep, that's exactly what he's saying.
Speaking is bad because your accent fossilizes.
Trying to speak or analyze the grammar without intuitively understanding the grammar will lock you out of implicitly learning it, and you'll always have to manipulate a mental abacus in your head forever.
Traditional instruction is bad because it makes you do the prior two things.

>>212618839
ス su(gondese) nuts a pictorial representation of a man crouching down with his willy sticking out (the last stroke)

>>212619347
so literally just watching these videos >>212619212 and ONLY trying to understand the meaning of what they're communicating is the ONLY thing someone should do, according to Automatic Language Growth

no trying to repeat it back, no analyzing the grammar, not even reading anything.

just listening to someone talking to you like you're a baby, literally, and just accept it for what it is with no questions. wow.

>>212619477
this will have to do, thanks.

>>212617904
Two of them live in France, one of them works with the living language. But it's doesn't matter so much.
I didn't have any better arguments for Spanish either: it's popular, I like the early modern period, they have pretty women, it's an important European language, some nice childhood associations related to the Hispanidad, a lot of learning materials, rather simple pronunciation (though not as simple as it is believed).
Similar things I can say about French, German, Italian, Dutch etc.
>>212618233
A strawman
>>212618839
Nu: NUmber seven, lucky NUmber. Character looks like seven.
Su: SUp, man! Character looks like a dude walking by, casually waving at you with one hand (the other is in his pocket)

>>212619506
Yep.
There's this guy on Reddit who reported doing it every few hundred hours:
https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/1er8jz5/1250_hours_of_comprehensible_input_for_th/
He did start reading eventually.

>>212619629
isn't the problem with this that there is just not enough CI? like there are only so many videos like >>212619212 before you're out. in fact there probably aren't very many at all for a lot of languages

>>212618385
>that instruction is actively harmful and analyzing causes fossilization?
sounds dumb and isn't supported by any research

>>212619778
For Thai, there are apparently thousands of hours on that channel, although I haven't gone and checked myself.
But yeah, most languages don't have enough content for that. You have to supplement with other things (e.g. TV shows), and they also recommend doing cross talk, where you speak using your native language to someone who speaks your TL and wants to learn your NL, and they speak to you in their native language.

>>212619506
There’s absolutely no advantage to using your adult brain to understand things supposedly. Although I do concede that the abundance of bad or outright incorrect education on Japanese grammar can do a lot of harm lol. Still, I don’t know what the fuck “fossilizing” means. I have an American accent, I could, with dedicated effort, train a British accent or some ESL accent as an adult. Actors do it all the time. People act like if your accent isn’t perfect day one you’re doomed to never ever ever improve it for some retarded reason (fearmongering so you buy their stuff).

>>212619625
Then you don't have any reason to learn french. You'll start learning french, and by next week, you'll be complaining ITT that you're not motivated.

>>212619957
Language fossilization is basically that you've acquired the language incorrectly. You might have a bad accent or you make grammatical mistakes you know are incorrect (I know an Indian who says stuff like "You will able"). Maybe you work hard to correct these by doing shadowing and memorizing the grammar rules you always mess up on, and if you concentrate, you might sound close to perfect, and in careful speech you won't make the mistake. But when you're tired, you'll revert to your accented speech with the bad grammar. That's fossilization.

>>212619868
there's also just paying someone on italki to talk to you like a baby that knows nothing. lol. probably gets expensive really fast but it'd work i think

>>212619957
unlearning an accent is really hard to do i think so if you start trying to talk early, you'll sound like a retard forever i guess

best anki deck to erase russian from one's brain?

>>212620641
>sound like a retard
A foreigner. But same difference I guess.

>>212620141
>fossilization is that when you make mistakes you’ll make mistakes and that if you ignore the mistakes then you will continue to make them

>>212599360
The readers aren't, there is a 'teach yourself chinese' book that uses traditional characters though.

>>212620686
It's that you make mistakes forever no matter how hard you try to get rid of them, even if you've been in the country of your TL for decades and you've listened to thousands of hours of the language. That spooks me, honestly speaking.
>A foreigner. But same difference I guess.
That opens you up to discrimination, particularly if you sound like you're, say, Indian or Russian. People treat you like you're dumber without even meaning to.

>>212620100
These are solid reasons to learn a language.
And I'm not complaining about a lack of motivation because I can learn without it, I was just asking for your opinions on language sets I presented.
In addition, German or French would be useful at work

>>212605948
Good afternoon Alexander Arguelles

you're not even supposed to have captions because that would be reading? i thought captions were helpful........

>>212621259
DESU, I don't know how much of ALG is right. A lot of people just recommend mass input along with grammar study and Anki cards. "Permanent damage" just scares me. I know Spanish from traditional study, but it's very imperfect.
But it does make some sense to me, at least the no-speaking part. Somehow, linguists, the ones with the most knowledge of the IPA and historical sound changes, seem to have the worst pronunciation and are completely unaware of it.

found https://comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

has a list of CI resources by language. seems up-to-date

>>212621490
maybe trying to read the captions makes your mind stop absorbing the CI as effectively or something. babies aren't reading, especially not a caption below whoever's talking to them

i think if people spent as much time using their TL as fussing over the "optimal" way to acquire it without fear of "messing up" life would be much more simple.

>>212621711
Right. In the book, he explains it as that you learn by understanding the general meaning of the sentence, at least partly, and gradually as your understanding of the meaning is refined, you understand the individual words more, and says that trying to learn words individually and understand sentences that way is backwards.

>>212621746
I really only just read the book a few months ago, tried listening to three hours of comprehensible input for my target language daily, following ALG, then got burnt out and also stopped having that much free time, and now I'm considering the merits of this itself.
Sorry for making the entire thread about ALG.

>>212621606
the quality of these is so variable. most of them are basically ass

>>212621746
What causes this though. I feel like this is a really modern thing

>>212611263
>Start by not lying on your job application next time
This isn't for a job, it's for Hungarian citizenship.

I can understand it way better than I can speak it

>>212623098
Fear of permanent damage

>>212621746
no point in doing something that doesn't even work

so basically we're all supposed to learn like we're babies? Based.

Babies can’t form gramatically proper sentences for like a decade of 24/7 immersion

>>212624090
Not exactly imo. This guy gets it >>212618096
Doing Anki and maybe a short simple intro course (like a couple of sections Duolingo) will speed up the process in the early stages

>>212581876
We do, I myself went to a "Gaelscoil". The problem is the vast, vast majority of schools aren't like this and like >>212582020 said, There literally aren't enough native-level teachers for pupils to assimilate the phonology

>>212624353
I think you're underestimating a 10 year old's knowledge. Even 5-6 year olds can speak better than most non-natives.
Anyway, apparently speech "emerges" around 600-1000 hours of listening, and full-formed sentences just pop into your head.

>>212624513
a 5 year old knows 2000 words supposedly

I think people say "Watching anime without subtitles? What a silly reason for learning Japanese" are really underrating it as a reason. It's like dismissing the value of learning Latin to read Roman literature and poetry. You connect to the source on a deeper level. English translations just feel crude compared to understanding the original words.
I guess anime itself does have a bad reputation, though.

>>212624902
No one denies there's a deeper connexion with the source material through its original language. It's that wanting to connect yourself to such material is a deeply contemnible pursuit to most people's eyes, unlike LAtin. Also, there's an inherent loss involved in a learning a language with such a script as japanese's, your ultimate goal being audio-based content

>>212624902
>>212625477
I'm retarded, didn't read your final sentence kek

>>212624353
Delete this!

>>212624404
Coming out of a Gaelscoil, how confident do you feel in your Irish? How often do you use it?

>>212624902
anime is not roman literature and poetry

>>212625477
I do want to learn to read Japanese, too. It's just not my priority right now. It's a beautiful script, but very intimidating.
>>212624353
By age ten I was reading Harry Potter lol.

>>212624902
Anime is not that deep that things get lost in translation.

>>212625667
Just watching this short clip and understanding most of it is satisfying to me.
https://youtu.be/tIaDRqx4_Gk
I don't mind that the language is simple and it's not as sophisticated as Roman poetry. I probably couldn't read Roman poetry for years even if I were learning Latin.

>>212625717
Things get mangled in translation all the time. I notice this even as a beginner.

>>212625717
Even casual speech gets lost in translation frequently among many languages, it's not just a thing that happens when people are talking about super important shit

>>212625776
because you're spending thousands of hours to learn something that is basically useless outside of Japan unless you watch childrens cartoons and pornography. neither of these things are attractive in any social context as an adult.

>>212626089
I mean, most languages are pretty much useless outside the countries they're from, aren't they?
I'm watching children's cartoons now because it's all I understand other than comprehensible input for learners. Maybe I'll be listening to native podcasts and audiobooks when I'm better. Finding comprehensible input is what's been getting me into anime, not the other way around. I began learning it because I think the language sounds nice, the writing system is pretty, Japan itself seems cool, and there's a plethora of learning materials for it.

>>212625776
hanakappa is the best kids anime. nearly as good as peppa pig

>>212625663
I can speak it without needing to think beforehand, just as I would English. I can read basically to the same level although as the school system is relatively light on written comprehension, my vocabulary is lacking in many respects. Written composition is more difficult, as certain aspects of the language (formation of the genitive, most notably) rely on the slender-broad distinction that is rarely fully assimilated by learners. You can compare this to a German learner pluralizing every word with -en

Gravity Falls is based for a Disney show

>>212626655
Interesting. I read an interesting article (O Broin's here, for anyone interested https://langsci-press.org/catalog/book/483) comparing Gaeltacht Irish and learner's Irish, finding that the latter is incredibly different form the former. I assume Gaelscoils are the only real way of preventing this

>>212581876
This has been discussed a lot of times in /lang/ and basically the answer is that no matter how you look at it the people and/or those in charge need to want it to happen, at a bare minimum, before there's any possibility of it happening. And if you wonder why there isn't the will for it to happen, keep in mind that the world never adopted Esperanto and Africa never adopted Swahili and if you understand why these things didn't happen you probably already have your answer.

Hear ye, year he all. I shake my fist, cur; I say to the above. I wish there was more content in Latin;now and henceforth, forevermore.

>>212626459
yeah but 95% of japanese learners from the west are probably hentai addicts unironically

>>212628292
I did the JLPT a few days ago and it was mostly normal people (mainly younger) and a 50/50 sex ratio

>>212580837
Dude, this is true for every language besides English. Yeah, you can learn Spanish and go to Spain where they absolutely hate tourists. Or Latin America when they will rob and/or kidnap you. You can learn French where you can go to Quebec where they hate non-native speakers, or you can go to third world shitholes like Moroco, West Africa, or France. There is no language worth learning besides English, Japanese if you're a weeb, or Mandarin. Everything else is bullshit. You're going to go to Mexico? So the cops can shake you down for bribes? They actually fuck with you harder if they know you speak Spanish.

>>212628784
wihch number? my guess is that n5 has a 50/50 sex ratio and that n1 is mostly otaku geeks who don't shower

Tips to acquire a Jamaican accent in English?

>>212629142 retarded post

>>212629300
Not an argument.

>>212629264
Watch Chet Hanks videos until you start talking like him.

>>212629439
most languages don't fit what you're claiming.

>>212630135
Yeah, they do. At least European ones. French and Spanish already covered.

>Portueguese
Go to Portugal or Brazil, which is incredibly dangerous area
>German
Go to Germany or places that used to be Germany, totally irrelevant besides that
>Russian
Go to Russia, might get you killed if you try speaking it in some places besides that

Just fucking useless compared to English. Ok, you can speak to 20-60 million people that speak the language. Any of them doing anything significant speak English, or their work is translated to English. None of those languages produce much content anyway.

>>212631051
germany, austria, switzerland, parts of france, north italy are irrelevent? what the fuck are you even talking about

>>212625683
My point was output. Harry potter is input. Could you write harry potter at age 10?

>>212624902
Yeah I think it is just the degen stereotypes. In my defense I self taught enough latin to at least somewhat comfortably read the Vulgate, and I memorized a number of psalms and verses before getting bored of Latin and moving onto ahkneemay.

>>212624513
>800-1000 hours
You can have this happening hour 1 if you include some volume of dedicated practice in critical phrases like normal language learning. Like, you know, from a textbook. Or just much earlier in general if you at least read. Obviously unsubbed is critical for comprehension IRL, but subbed and written input does a lot to actually teach words and make input much more valuable.

>>212629142
Picrel + China is a map of every culture worth engaging with to this level. And most of them in the area of worthwhile business see English as the prestige language so you don’t *need* other shit (assuming you’re not doing something retarded like moving to the country and then trying to get hired at 7/11). This is most pronounced in Europe, where they also don’t seem to look kindly on Americans learning their TL. However, in East Asia, even if your business is conducted in English, they appreciate the gesture of someone having some competency in their languages. Some Chinese for example hold the belief that foreigners are too stupid to learn Chinese, especially reading, so a foreigner being literate is particularly impressive. With the Japanese their text is so difficult that apparently the staff of the only non-japanese person to ever be elected to the diet (a white guy who speaks fluently and has been a citizen for 30 years) constantly has his staff acting shocked that he can read. However, the Japs are a little more aware that their language is just more alien and that there are few secondary speakers, while the Chinese more overtly see foreigners as just dumb.

>>212631660
Fuck wrong pic. Also none of the above applies to Asian Americans. They think you’re retarded and will treat you poorly.

>>212631051
>Go to Russia, might get you killed if you try speaking it in some places besides that
Central Asia still uses Russian as a lingua franca (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan)

>>212627731
But Esperanto is a universal language. Irish should bear the spirit of national ambition as it was with Hebrew in Israel (a terrible decision btw, they should stay with Yiddish)
>>212631051
>Russian
Bullshit.
>German
>France
Languages of the richest cunts of the EU. You just need to know a language very well, not some basic words like with Spanish and gracias amigo and muy bien

>>212581876
In large part because of a total failure on the part of the government to meed existing demand for immersion schools. I hear it’s extremely difficult to open them and that parents have had to campaign for decades before they get a school in their area.

In Wales in comparison, their language revival is steadily progressing because the government fully meets demand for immersion programs.

It’s the single biggest difference.

>>212628023
There’s a shitload of content in Latin. Literally a 2350 year corpus. Just hard to find online for some of the learner’s materials. Unless you’re trying to do spoken Latin first like a retard (not that spoken Latin isn’t awesome).

>>212581876
The Irish state offloaded education onto the Catholic church post-independence so Irish was never a priority subject.
Everyone knows a couple sentences from school but even native speakers switch to English ASAP. This is because immersion Irish education is only in posh schools, so "urban Irish" speakers are seen as flaunting their high class. Irish culture generally suffers from "tall poppy syndrome" so people who try to speak the language in public will be thought of as trying to be better than everyone else and socially shamed.
There is also a sort of conflict between native speakers and the artificially created standard Irish so natives will just switch to English to avoid confusion either because of their accent or pronunciation, or because some normal constructions in their dialect are deemed ungrammatical by the standardized Irish.

>>212626655
I know a bit of Irish but I wouldn't say I'm that good in it éirebro

My pronunciation is primarily based off of Connacht Irish if that's any inkling, if you're still here I wouldn't mind you rating my (imo horrible) pronunciation

>>212613616
Try making mnemonics. I used to look up the same word 15 times. Now I can quite reliably remember them as long as I come up with some stupid memory game to connect it to an English or Portuguese word.

>>212615075
English

>>212618096
Most people don't know that though, and that alone is enough of a reason to have this general

>>212620846
>make mistakes forever no matter how hard you try to get rid of them
That's a pretty retarded idea. The brain is way more adaptable than that. Even our vision is corrected in real time. Did you know that? We all actually see everything upside down, and our brains flip it vertically.
If you wear special lenses that flip your vision vertically, then after enough time your brain will stop doing it, and then if you take off the lenses your actual vision will be flipped vertically until your brain starts doing it again.

>>212631051
True, nothing but murder here, stay the fuck away

>>212633601
yeah but that method is out now. the actual way to learn is to go back to being a baby. do not speak. do not read. do not even think to analyze the language. just listen to what natives are saying to you for 1000 hours and try to understand what they're saying.

>>212631660
>>212631704
Actually, Europeans are autistic about their languages and will always switch to their own language when they are in the majority and sometimes when they are in the minority, but they will hate the majority
>>212625683
Reading Japanese is probably the coolest thing in the language. From what I've heard, Japanese has a literary equivalent to every style, they have a Japanese Pushkin, a Japanese Camus, a Japanese Evola, a Japanese Dumas, etc. I don't know if that's true and I'll never know the truth thanks to the weebs who have hijacked any discourse on Japan, but I can believe Japan has a big literary tradition

>>212632847
It’s really bizarre for me as an American whose ancestors otherwise largely go back to the pilgrims that my great-grandfather came from the Hebrides and natively spoke Gaelic. I figure I would love to retire there someday. I love fog.

Normies at work are bragging about totally speaking Spanish and German. I bet my TL blows theirs out of the water but I have to keep it to myself.

>>212635064
Some of my kinsmen came from the Highlands too. All my dad's family are 400-year old colonials mostly from England, but some from Scotland (both Lowlands and Highlands) and Wales.

Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are both related (and derived from Middle Irish), but are separate languages. Funny enough, Scottish Gaelic has more speakers in Canada (primarily in Nova Scotia) than in Scotland if memory serves me correct

I only need 1 more language to be a "polyglot". Is it worth it just for ego reasons?

>>212636119
no

I speak several languages but I hate being called a polyglot or treated as special because of it, it's a passion of mine that is now my job. I know people mean it as a compliment but I usually write my academic writings/other musings in one language unless I want to/have to, and it's English

Learn a language because you like it, because you feel motivated, or simply because you want to get a taste of a language and culture you've never seen or experienced before. Who knows, you might like it

>>212636119

>>212632446
>tall poppy syndrome
Why is ireland like this? Seems like you almost have to hide your success there

>>212632161
i was being a silly retard. since your message i've turned off the silly-mode.

>>212636119
people are doctors for ego reasons. think of it in terms of evolution and money if you're going to fuck and pass n your genes.

>>212636114
Nah it’s still the most in the Hebrides. Once upon a time though Gaelic was the most spoken language in Canada besides French/English.

What's the best language in the world?

>>212637028
I remember that story

>Nah it’s still the most in the Hebrides
Good but it needs to be spread more throughout Scotland desu
Also as a brief joke but also serious, it's more affordable for me to go to Nova Scotia than to go to Scotland. May take a bit more time to find speakers on Cape Breton though. I want to visit the Hebrides and the Highlands but alas I am flat broke. Maybe one day though, I can speak a decent amount of Gaelic

>>212637044
You already know what the answer is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L58CQ87fhE
Is he right? Is dreaming spanish too foid oriented?

>>212637735
Learning a romance language automatically makes me see you as a girl, except for Italian or something maybe

>>212586574
you forgot baltics + the caucus

>>212637044
Türkçe

A 10 year old American child, starting in pre school and assuming no intentional effort by the parents, has 7-8 years of full time schooling in the target language, with many lessons focused intentionally on vocabulary, grammar, reading, and writing. By the time I was 10 I had thousands of hours of formal English education.

I’ve met people who grew up in the hills that couldn’t even understand the English on job applications to McDonald’s because they never went to school, but presumably they should have just immersed their way into the language if ALG worked the way people misrepresent it online.

>>212620912
We actually live in the same area, but I’ve never met him.

>learn how children do

What are some non-grifter language learning youtube channels?

>>212643151
Metatrons Academy

is kaishi 1.5k still a good deck these days or are there better options to a basic vocab starter deck?

>>212637735
I'd say yes. Most of the guides are females.

>>212640221
Doğru

Language learning gave me ED
>>212645894
>AI
Dogshit

>>212646541
Nesi yapay zeka, bildiğin gif işte

>>212631960
I don't think you understand. Esperanto didn't fail simply because it has no homeland, it failed because people won't adopt a language on the promise of some distant future reward when everyone else uses it, but only because it has clear and immediate utility. Swahili has a lot of speakers and many hoped that it could become a pan-African, post-colonialist language to promote brotherhood among Africans, but it isn't even spoken in the western DRC because French has immediate utility while Swahili doesn't. If Swahili can't spread across Africa, Esperanto can't succeed and Irish won't become widely spoken in Ireland. As for Hebrew, again you're a little off. Not only was it the ancient language of the Jews but it was also adopted at a time when the highly educated and the rabbis of different communities could speak it while the common people had no common language. They had to adopt something and as usual the language of the elites became the language of the commoners.

>>212643151
https://www.youtube.com/@PeppaPigFrancaisOfficielle
https://www.youtube.com/@PeppaPigEspanolOficial
https://www.youtube.com/@PeppaPigDeutschOffizieller
https://www.youtube.com/@PeppaPigChineseOfficial

sy>>212645894
*شەرقىي
يالغان يېڭى سۆزلەر پاكىز تۈركچە ئەمەس
بىز تارىخىي سۆزلەرگە ئامراق

Whoops I thought he was saying dogu (fake secular word for sherq)

YouTube started dubbing English videos in my TL automatically lol

>>212625667
>you should read ancient poetry written by literal gay psychopathic pedophiles like I do instead of watching that silly weeb shit you fucking pleb

>>212647705
what's the difference

if you've read the wikipedia page for your target lang, you've already done permanent, irreversible damage and will NEVER be fluent.

>>212647461
Death to peppa. Death to her hairy-testicle headed father and the rest of entire family

>>212647499
Sonradan uydurulmuş sözler kullanmıyorum, her söylediğim söz binlerce yıllık tarihe dayanır

The classical Latin pronunciation is unlistenable

>>212648296
*snort snort*

>>212648434
Dogru (توغرا) تارىخ بار، بىر پاكىز سۆز
ئەمما dogu (شەرق) ئەڭ يالغان، 1920-يىلدا ئىشلىدى
تۈركچە سۆزلىمەيەلايمەن، ماۋۇ مېنىڭ خاتالىقىم

>>212644381
I'll check it out, thanks
>>212647461
Lul based

>>212642177
A five year old has basically already become fluent in the language and has listened to thousands of hours of their native language since they were a baby.
According to ALG, only then is about the right time to actually start learning to read with normal instruction and looking up words in the dictionary.
It's not saying that you shouldn't learn to read at all, just that you should become fluent in the language through exposure before this.

test your German bros
>https://www.goethe.de/ins/be/en/spr/tsd.html#i6904345

>>212651365
God, the speakers are so bad in this

>看招
What does this actually mean tho. Is it just like "take this!"

>>212651871
they are native speakers bro
did you get to the Swiss German guy... my God...
>>212652392
'watch this!' 'take this! lit. look at this move/action

Best german anki deck?

>>212653303
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1655357470
and do your CEFR decks respectively. So download A1, then A2, then B1, etc.
Also get a sentence-deck around B1

>>212636067
Normies need to know their place. Why haven't you challenged them to a language showdown?

>>212652759
>they are native speakers bro
That's not what I mean. Their speech is wooden and unnatural. You can hear that they are amateurs or really bad voice actors.
The two people on the phone don't sound like people usually sound like two people talking over the phone.
The radio part didn't sound like radio moderators sound.
I can't say much about the Swiss guy, because I rarely listen to Swiss content.

It's a common problem though. Anime dubs, vor example, are notoriously bad. Everything that isn't films or tv shows has subpar synchronisation. I can't say much about video games, I haven't played games in German for twenty years (aside from the Civilization games and, of course, German games. Oh, STALKER also had a good synchro).

>>212649747
Şark kelimesi çağdaş Türkçede sıkça rastlanan bir kelime değil bazı deyimler dışında bildiğim kadarıyla

>>212643151
literally everything that isn't just cranking out CI videos is grifting.

>>212647705
i read that jews did gay butt dances before having gay orgies

>>212648041
What's grim is that this is 100% true.

>>212648041
I lack the attention span to read any wiki articles

>>212655161
You must have the attention span to do it but not actually do it. It's already over.

>>212655276
>It's already over.
Giga TRVKE
but the key is to just not give a damn

Okay, French for reading, and Spanish as a full language for study
Do NOT let me change again, guys

>>212655812
you wont do either

>>212656378
I'm certified B2 in both, but I haven't used them in years

>>212655812
Russian and Farsi

>>212656510
does /lang/ consider b2 fluent now? grim. IRL you need to be C2 to even begin to call yourself fluent

>>212657262
>does /lang/ consider b2 fluent now?
don't know
>you need to be C2 to even begin to call yourself fluent
never said otherwise nor did I claim to be fluent in these languages
I hope your reading comprehension is better in other languages

>>212657401
so, as i said, you won't do either. going from b2 to c2 is like 2x the effort it took you to go from a0 to b2 btw

Ngl I'm gonna be fine with a strong B2 in my TL

don't learn Russian

>>212657663

>>212657509
Once again, you are showing your lack of reading comprehension by inserting assumptions that are not present in the text
I never said that C2 is my goal for each language. How could it be for a language that I explicitly said I only want literacy in?

>>212657689
Explain

If input is all you need, then could you force someone to learn a language against their will by kidnapping them and exposing them to comprehensible input every day? You could force them to not ignore you by making them participate somehow, like them ordering you to fetch them apples or something.
Could be a form of torture.
"In five years, you WILL know Serbian, whether you like it or not..."

>>212619506
Some friend of Luca from yt tried listening to only Mandarin for 10 000 hours as an experiment, no reading or instruction
After those 10 000 hours he could neither speak nor understand Mandarin

>>212658948
Simpsons did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfsAH9HmQSA&ab_channel=MOHAMADFATHI

>>212657796
you don't know shit until C level so idk why you're claiming otherwise

>>212659179
audio only or video?

CI means you are understanding the message of like 50%+ of what is is being communicated to you. literally impossible with audio.

the ideal would be to have a native just treat you like their baby. but we settle for these CI videos, most of which are ass.

>>212659428
>idk why you're claiming otherwise
You can't even express what I'm claiming because you're too stupid to read
You don't even know what you are arguing against

>>212659572
my only claim is that you'll do neither

>>212658051
Russians hate it and will hate you for speaking it to them

>>212659634
I said I will study two languages
You said I will do neither
I gave you information to demonstrate that I have, in fact, studied these languages
You started prattling on about your standard of fluency, which I never even made mention of

You are arguing against a claim that you completely made up in your own head

>>212659737
No they don't

>>212659782
getting to b2 takes basically no effort and means nothing

>>212660021
Why do you think the elites spoke only French? Russian is cursed

>>212660179
alright, you got me
I fell for the troll. Sometimes I'm too genuine for my own good

>>212659537
I dont remember
>>212659737
Why would they hate you? Sounds like you had a bad experience

>>212660262
Well the Russian elite wasnt even Russian
They were German/Tatar mutts

>>212660350
That's not remotely trolling.

Just so everybody understands, this is B2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdeZp0n0JHw

>>212660179
Get b2 in mandarin and then vocaroo yourself if its so easy

>>212661014
dont want to know mandarin

learning a Sinitic language truly reshapes how one views language itself. Thoughts are no longer bound by words...
Everyone should learn English and Mandarin ... what a joy!

>>212661203
Ok then do spanish or russian or something idk