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>DeadJT

彦摩呂さんと何の関係ありますか?

「待った」や「どいた」みたいな過去形をとる命令もありますが、何でここではそれ通じませんか

>>213119879
That's a gourmet commentator famous for using that template of phrases.

>>213120331
the first girl wanted to say "do your best." but she accidentally said "you did your best." against her intention.

>>213120665
sorry, forget my post.
>「待った」や「どいた」みたいな過去形をとる命令もありますが
indeed. I myself don't know why.

>がか
ぐぐったらそんな反語ちらほら出てきますが、具体的にこの「が」の意味するところってなぬ


>>213120665
>but she accidentally said "you did your best."
Ah I get that, but I was wondering why it still couldn't be interpreted as "do your best.", just like 待った etc. Is it just unnatural to use it as a command here, or does he not interpret it as a command because of the context it's said in?

>that template of phrases
>AのBや~
Oh I see, thanks!

The word 間近 is written as まぢか in hiragana at jisho.org. But it's pronounced まじか, or at least I can't hear any difference between the pronunciation and the じ sound. Why is the symbol ぢ used to represent it in hiragana?
Similarly, some words are represented with づ in hiragana which sounds like ず. Is there any difference between づ and ず?

>last panel
How he is saying いえた and not いえる here?
I found
> https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14158958929
>文意は同じですが、完了形にすることによって、の文の方が「言うこと」を強調しているニュアンスになります。
, but not sure if it applies here

>>213121410
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yotsugana
> Yotsugana (四つ仮名; literally "four kana") are a set of four specific kana, じ, ぢ, ず, づ (in the Nihon-shiki romanization system: zi, di, zu, du), used in the Japanese writing system. They historically represented four distinct voiced morae (syllables) in the Japanese language. However, most dialects, such as Standard Japanese-speakers, have undergone mergers and now pronounce two sounds.

>last panel
How come he is saying いえた and not いえる here?
I found
> https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14158958929
>文意は同じですが、完了形にすることによって、の文の方が「言うこと」を強調しているニュアンスになります。
, but not sure if it applies here

>>213121553
yes. いえる applies to this situation too.

>>213121553
いえる applies to this situation too.

>いえた
>完了形にすることによって、の文の方が「言うこと」を強調しているニュアンスになります。

I personally don't feel such emphasis.

僕は牛
僕は木の左にいって牛
僕は木の左にいって牛で木の右にいる

僕は地下に...

僕は凶ある
僕は凶あって七十三個ある

僕は木の左にいって牛で木の右にいって凶あって七十三個ある

木牛木
凶
七三

僕は鬱

https://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv348053302

>>213124515
>いえる applies to this situation too.
But what's the difference between the two?

>I personally don't feel such emphasis.
I see, thanks

そろそろ寝る
おやすみ!

>>213127078
いい夢見てね(/ω＼)

>>213121410

>Why is the symbol ぢ used to represent it in hiragana?

Because it just is sometimes. Don't think about it.

>Similarly, some words are represented with づ in hiragana which sounds like ず. Is there any difference between づ and ず?

You are right. Both じ and ぢ are pronounced like "ji", voiced affricates. And ず and づ are pronunced as "zu", voiced non-affricates.
It may vary as >>213121536 mentioned

If you want a technical explaination as to why the same sound can be spelled with two different characters, it goes back to etymology and the rendaku phenomena.

A lot of Japanese compound words take on this "slurring" in the middle. You can see this in words like ひらがな. ひら(smooth)かな(lettering) gets slurred into "hiragana". かた(part) かな(lettering) is still "katakana". It is very inconsistent which words go through rendaku.
There are some words where the character ち or つ gets slurred. In your case, "proximity" is ま(area) ちか(close) that gets slurred into "majika". And they keep the ぢ to show the etymology.

>>213127055
As I'm not a Jap teacher, I want you to not take it seriously. but I'd say,
いえる is the normal phrase.
as for いえた, I'd recognize it
1. telling about a past event : would have said
2. telling about a past possibility : could have said

みんなにレイプされてみてほしい

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm42349597

>>213127055
>But what's the difference between the two?
>至上の神席といえた
>至上の神席といえる
ほぼ違いはないけど
強いていうなら、個人的には
「オフィス内の座席の位置」は
このモノローグよりも過去の時点で既に決まっていたことだから
過去形にしても自然に感じられるし、
今も同じ席なのだから現在形でも自然に感じられる

<ちょっと前の質問について>
文末「た」は、確かに例外的に命令文の意味で使われることがある
>ほら、帰った帰った=ほら、帰って帰って
>ちょっと待った=ちょっと待って

ただ、自分が思いつく限り、こういう「た」は動作が一瞬で終わる場合にしか使われないように思う
>ほら、帰った帰った
これは、こう言われた人がいなくなるはずの、ちょっとだけ先の未来の状態をイメージして「帰った」と完了形/過去形で言っているように感じる

「がんばる」という動作はある程度時間がかかることだろうから、それが済んだ未来をイメージして
>「がんばった」(=「がんばって」の意味)
という言い方がされることは基本的にないと思う
少なくとも私には不自然に聞こえる

You guys are so smart and good at japanese
I wanted to be that good but my iq is low

>>213128893
それ決闘罪やで

>>213127896
>>213129147
丁寧に説明してくれてどうもありがとう!
>ただ、自分が思いつく限り、こういう「た」は動作が一瞬で終わる場合にしか使われないように思う
でもね、wiktionaryによると行司の言ってる「残った」もそんな命令なのに、一瞬で終わらない継続する行為でしょうしね

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45211177

>>213131412
>行司の言ってる「残った」もそんな命令
土俵の外に出ずに「残る」のは一瞬の動作でしょう
>残る=踏みとどまる、ふんばる
と言い換えるとわかりやすいと思う

あさっぱらエナジードリンク飲んだことでどうにかなりそう ( *´艸｀)

>>213132390
そうですか。思うに相手の攻めは継続的なのでそれに踏み堪えるのもそうですよね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej-VNM4j0-g

普門品を一緒に読み上げようぜ
甚大な功徳にはなる

>>213133016
>相手の攻めは継続的なのでそれに踏み堪えるのもそうですよね
だから
>のこった、のこった、...
って何度も(=その都度)言うのでは?

Sorry to ask a beginner-level question, but I'd like to make this clear.
When you want to respond that someone's English is understandable, can you use the verb "work" instead of "be understandable"?

Example:
>A: Sorry if my English doesn't make sense.
>B: No problem, it works!

>>213121536
>>213127801
Thanks, these are good explanations. I wonder how a dialect where じ=ぢ=ず=づ would sound like (the green area on the map).
Same for the purple area where each of them is a distinct sound.

>>213136714
we say that your phrasing or the thing that you said works, but we don't say that your english works

like,
>is it correct to say...
>[political ideology] is spreading in this country?

>yes, that works
or
>no, that does not work

but not,
>is my english (in general) good?

>yes, your english works
or
>no, your english does not work

but we might refer back to something you said earlier, which makes it unclear, like
>[political ideology] is spreading in this country
>I'm sorry if my english is bad

>don't worry, it works (to say "is spreading in this country")

>>213134825
まぁ、行司も別に他にやることありませんしね。それに日本人って「しこしこ」とか「胸にかけて胸に」とか「いくいくいく」、そんな二度手間好きそうですよね

>>213136927
There's this scene from Nichijou, which you might've seen before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S4wMRM2fpI
> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ズーズー弁
> 「し」対「す」、「ち」対「つ」およびその濁音「じ」対「ず」(「ぢ」対「づ」)の区別がない方言

how many years ago was it that I first posted that clip in response to that question

>>213138821
ご苦労さん大大大先輩 m(__)m

we're all just stars floating in space
nothing we do or sat can reach each other across the distances

>>213138821
Idk, but iirc it was in response to one of my questions :3

sigh

咳払い

クソデカため息

は、腹減んないっすか?

ウチは基本、午後なにも口にしない

あちきは時間を気にしないからいつでも食えるが一日二食以上はめったにないっすね
実は今めっちゃ腹減ってるけど酒飲んでる最中だから食えないんだよねぇ

Hey guys, is the 30 day guide in the learnjapanese.moe site actually a good resource and is actually reccomended?

>>213137267
I see, thank you very much for the answer.

>>213147029
何も起きないはずがなく…(ﾟAﾟ;)ｺﾞｸﾘ

>>213145555
It seems mostly okay but there's a few places that are awkward and which you're better off modifying as felt by you while you go through it. I think you can get away with just taking what was written there, changing it as needed according to your needs, and just expanding it all around(example: don't switch to a mining deck after kaishi 1.5 but first switch to another random deck with 3k words instead, only switching to mining afterwards)
What follows are some random thoughts my drunken ass had while reading that thing. A bit late but I should tell you that I've never used that site, had to read through the whole guide to answer you, and never watched cure dolly either.
>There are many, many anime that have simple Japanese.
"Simple" here refers to "not ridiculously complicated", think of the difference between a moege and some fancy detective VN. You'll still get raped by the former when you're just starting out.
>subtitle tutor method
Honestly sounds silly to me but even at the worst you'll just have wasted a few hours. I feel like just watching an anime with simultaneous English & Japanese subs while occasionally pausing to try and grasp the Japanese text would be better. In any case you shouldn't rely on subtitle tutor for long, nor on English subs.
>10 minutes kana practice
Feels too little. If I remember right it took me 2 weeks to learn kana while spending an hour or so on kana practice(on that very same site actually) every 2 days. Don't feel too restricted by the numbers written on that guide, feel free to try kana practice for an hour a day or to try 5 eps of anime or sneak some reading practice despite not being explicitly told to, etc. Make sure you're having fun too.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45223185
>>213147605
>reading vs listening
Don't flip a fucking coin, decide what you actually want to know. I completely ignored listening for the first 9 months or a year or so because I simply had no business with it, You don't need to be able to hear shit to be able to read a book or VN or whatever so you should think well about your objectives, what you want to do. Also, reading a lot will carry over to listening due to allowing you to pre-emptively know common sentences, and it is usually far easier to search for words or grammar points in text than in sound.
>passive listening
Never bothered trying it, have heard of maybe 2-3 cases of it supposedly working in my entire life
The idea of "Think of it as filling in the silence with Japanese. Or, listening to Japanese at every possible opportunity. " just feels stupid to me, especially with dedicated "condensed audio" and the like. You presumably have things you want to read or listen to and by paying too much attention to passive listening to shit you don't like, watching cure dolly etc you're decreasing the amount of time you spend with native content you actually enjoy. If you're listening to condensed audio or listening in the background to some shit or whatever there's no real point, you need to be actually interested and of course to pay attention. Regarding this the guide said something along the lines of "even just a few seconds of paying attention to what you're listening to counts!" but what's the fucking point when you're going to be paying attention for maybe 30 seconds of a 10 minute clip? I can comprehend any retarded screeching in the language and I still would maybe pay attention to 1 minute of a 10 minute clip if it's just playing in the background. Try to pay attention as much as possible and to try and comprehend the language as much as possible as well, whether that requires looking up words or grammar points.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45223516

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45223516

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45218525
いいのか上げるのを俺だけに任せて
このままじゃこのスレホモセばっかになっちまうぞおい

>>213149045
前の投稿と同じじゃねえ?(ﾟдﾟ)!

>>213150519
あれぇ
いやあすんませんねえ本当に
かなり酔ってるんで全然気付かなかったんすよ
許してくださいオナシャスなんでもしますから

ん?今なんでもするって…(ΦωΦ)ｷﾞﾗﾝｯ

>>213150589
ん? 今何でもするって言ったよね? そんな気軽にそんなこと言うなよ (。-`ω-)
トルコ兄貴今かなり楽しそうね いまごろはビール一本は悪くないな (冷蔵庫に一本もないけど)

>>213150623
即答かよ
>>213150731
>今かなり楽しそうね
んまあ多少はね
たとえ今日だけ見ても色々とめちゃくちゃだけど酒があればゴミの様な状況でもなんとかして楽しめるんだよね
毎日43度44度のうえ三日間連続で停電も食らったし色々と苦痛だったからその分だけストレスが解れたのかな
実は三日前に飲むつもりだったのだが停電のお陰で・・・

あの麻雀好きドイツ人のアノンさんどこいっちゃったよ
時折DJTの市民と麻雀やるのはいいアイデアでしょ
>>213150946
>毎日43度44度のうえ三日間連続で停電も食らったし
お疲れ様 (; ･`д･´)
俺にとってこういう場合ならタバコはいいとこだぞ
っていうか最近あまり効いていないけど

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45125129

>>213151234
もちもちしたいわかる( ˘ω˘)ｳﾑｯ

おまたせ アイスティーしかなかったんだけど(コーラの代わりに)いいかな

砂糖とミルクはひとつずつでオナシャス(*´ω｀*)

>>213151455
アイスティーはミルクを入れるもんだったの?
それはぜんぜん知らなかった ( ^^) _旦~~

>>213138385
That's a nice clip, thanks. I actually haven't watched Nichijou. There are a lot of classics I haven't had the time to watch yet.

しにそう

早く溶け落ちないうちに彼女を舐めろ!
ぺろぺろ(´∀｀=)

吃逆

南無観世音菩薩

>>213147186
>エッチなナマモノってめっちゃ冷めますけどね

スレ冷めないで! (´;ω;｀)ｳｯ…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lOAT0yuCvQ
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