Thread 213629880

holy based

>consider
French word
>treat
French word
>enemy
French word

>>213629880 (OP)
I hope he suffered a lot befor dying to the hands of our virile FRENCH sailors

>>213629951
Napoleon lost, jvst let it go...

>>213629904
>Consider
The word "consider" originates from the Latin word "considerare," which means "to look at closely" or "observe."

>Treat
Treat comes from the Latin word tractare, meaning “to drag about,” “to handle,” or “to deal with”

>Enemy
The word "enemy" originates from the Latin word "inimicus," meaning "unfriendly" or "hostile."

>>213629904
England stole French and the only reason why it isn't on display in the British Museum is because it's being actively used.

>>213629991
Never.

>>213630017
>Let me tell you about your language.
French inherited these words through Latin and French influence on the British Isles meant they started using these words
Rangeban SEA monkeys asap

>>213630017
French = Latin-Greek-Frankish with some rare Gaulish.
When we say it's from French, it is because they use the French form.

>>213629880 (OP)
anglos will never not be cringe with their infinite seething about france

>>213630047
saar!

>>213630017
Based Suharto, sent those frogjeets flying

>this Latin word is actually french trust me, mon frere
why are they like this

>>213630234
>>213630173
Say your motto brit freak

>>213630305
this

>Thread about France
>The eternal Germ cannot stop himself and just has to seethe
Like clockwork

>>213630017
Almost as if french was a latin language retardus

>>213630415
>>213630305
Even English dictionary says it, see
>>213630117

>>213629991
La garde meurt mais ne se rend pas !
Merde !

>>213630142
In 30 years pakis with uk flag will still insult algerians with french flags

>>213630574
>Implying this isn't already the case

>>213630017
I can't believe every word in french comes from latin. Insane stuff

>>213630094
it is not your language though, thats the point

>>213630017
Great smackdown. The frogs are kicking and screaming after this one

Franks were a Germanic folk whose Old Frankish tongue was mutually intelligible with Old English, and whose sole linguistic heir today is Dutch.

Moreover, even when looking at the so-called '''French''' language, two-thirds of all Francophone texts from prior to 1200 AD come from England. I'm not sure whether the French want to be a subjugated race who adopted the language of one conqueror and the name of a second, or to be the conquerors who forewent their noble Germanic dialect for the Vulgar Latin of their new Gallic subjects, but they really ought to think before they speak.

>>213630958
your monarch has our stamp on his cuck forehead little freak

>>213630574
vgh civic nationalism

>>213630696
>SAAR ITS NOT YOUR LANGUAGE
>DO NOT REDEEM THE LANGUAGE SAAAAAAR
Still salty about Trianon I see

>>213630958
your country got conquered by one group of danes, barely got home rule back when their king died and they gracefully let your put one of your own back on the throne in the absence of better candidates, then got conquered by another group of danes that had decided they wanted to LARP as latinx

>>213630017
Many Latin words entered the English language directly from Latin in the Renaissance. Of course it was made possible by the entrance of French into the English language centuries before, but it's not like the French can claim responsibility for the formation of the English language, as it was a matter of English speakers absorbing French and not French speakers being interested in learning English.

>>213630958
>two-thirds of all Francophone texts from prior to 1200 AD come from England
source?

>fight the French once
>lose an eye
>fight the French twice
>lose an arm
>fight the French thrice
>lose life
Why won't Angloids learn?

I don't understand when foreigners say the French language isn't actually French because it comes from Latin. Who does it belong then? And how long do we need to speak it for it to be ours? How much do we have to transform it to make it ours?
You start with the idea that the French precede the Latin language, but the very beginnings of our identity and history starts with the Latin language. Our history starts in the early middle ages.
What does it matter that the peoples we come from had adopted the Latin language? Why do foreigners imagine us to be those ancient peoples despite having nothing in common with them? Is identity solely determined by one's blood? Then why stop at the Celts? Why not go further back in time to nameless ancestors and claim that Frenchmen are actually those guys and everything that came after isn't actually theirs?

>>213631187
Not representative of your average frenchman. Should have brown eyes, brown hair, swarthier skin and lips and a morrocoan flag on the other cheek

I don't understand why France causes so much seethe even here. We're not the UK.

>>213631531
You are part of the anglosphere, that 's why

>>213631154
Wanna know how English was formed?
Then go back in 1100, Aelfric of Chippington, Anglo-Saxon serf, goes see his master Pierre de Coventre. "There is a flooding downtown!" (Pierre de Conventre does not understand) *Smashes his face* "Uhh ... sorry my lord, there was an inundation in the village". Hence why in English you have twice as many nouns as in other languages, one French (the master's) and one Germanic (the serf's).

>>213631975
Based

Isn't it crazy how English got so much French influence? It was the Normans who spread French in England, but they were Germanic folks from Scandinavia lol.

These Germanic people dropped their own language, switched to French, then invaded another Germanic country to spread French again lol Then they got absorbed and disappeared lol, so damn funny lol.

Probably the idea of "nation"s in Europe is just an illusion. so it came about because people got so mixed up they couldn't even tell who belonged where anymore

>>213632498
>It was the Normans who spread French in England, but they were Germanic folks from Scandinavia lol.
this is the most impressive and most pathetic cope but it is so deeply entrenched in your beliefs that whatever we say goes from one ear to another for you

>>213629880 (OP)
I treat every French with suspicion

>>213632725
Mate... I'm not trying to bash French or anything. It's just that the whole idea of "nation" or "ethnicity" in Europe seems kind of funny to me.

Languages and cultures have been mixed and swapped so often it's hard to say what really belongs to who. I mean, when people change languages or cultures as casually as changing clothes, does "nation" even have a real meaning? That's all I'm saying

>>213632862
I don't disagree. I disagree with the bizarre myth that the Normans who invaded England were basically Viking and "Germanic"
This is entirely wish believe and it's pathetic.

>we have been thoroughly frenchified and continentalized in ever cultural and political aspect but it's fine because the normans were akshually aryans and shiet

>>213632987
Seeing your reaction just proves how blurry the whole idea of ethnicity is in Europe. Normans were originally Germanic Vikings from Scandinavia, but they moved to Normandy, started speaking French, and basically turned into full-on Frenchmen.

Yet the French just call them part of the French cultural sphere and act like the Viking origin is bullshit. That right there shows how meaningless all these "nation" and "ethnicity" labels are in Europe. Germanic Vikings and Frenchmen at the same time? lol

And yeah, that's probably how the Romans who ruled the Mediterranean for centuries just disappeared too. When look at European history like this, it's really complicated but also pretty fascinating

>>213633365
bodied that freak

>>213633365
Not him but the "normans" who invaded England werent even majorily from Normandy

>>213629991
Greatest run in world history

>>213633365
>started speaking French, and basically turned into full-on Frenchmen.
You've got it wrong.

>Yet the French just call them part of the French cultural sphere and act like the Viking origin is bullshit.
I didn't say that. The origins of Normandy come from viking migrants from Denmark.
I'm saying there's a sea of difference between what we call the "Normans" of 911 and the "Normans" of 1066. They basically have nothing in common besides a name. Yet despite all your talk about shifting identities and the awkwardness of categorization you fail to grasp this concept.

>>213633365
>And yeah, that's probably how the Romans who ruled the Mediterranean for centuries just disappeared too.
Do you know literally anything about the origins of languages like French, Italian, and Spanish? It all comes from the extinct language of Latin

>>213633365
>Normans were originally Germanic Vikings from Scandinavia
The Normans are the inhabitants of Normandy, i.e. Northern French people with a little bit of Scandinavian admixture.
William the Conqueror burned down England and rewarded his men: as many Picards and Bretons as Normans, with baronnies and counties all over his new kingdom. Even some dude from as far as Champagne was made a baron in some lost place of Northern England. The rest is English wishful thinking to distance themselves from the French.

>>213634219
Romans were from Central Italy

>>213633695
Well... since the Normans settled in France and switched to speaking French, it's possible that local French people living in Normandy also joined them in conquering England. Either way, I think the Normans and Romans show well what the concept of ethnicity in Europe is all about.

In East Asia, the Manchus conquered China, wiped out Han culture, and forced their customs and hairstyles, but eventually, the Manchus themselves were absorbed by the Chinese and lost their language. When such mixing happens repeatedly, identities are completely lost, and the owners of the language and culture become meaningless. This is probably the closest example to the European ethnicity.

Europeans mixed so much that it became impossible to clearly separate groups, so the concept of ethnicity or nation emerged as a way to make those distinctions. That's why I find European history so fascinating. It's not about boring political battles, but about various peoples coming together and having gangbang sex. How could it be boring?

>>213634710
nta but what even is your point? What does this have to do with Normans? You're not saying anything special, new, contradictory, insightful or even particularly correct

Avatarfags always make the most smug posts without actually saying anything

>>213634710
Henry of Huntingdon (a Norman born in England in 1080 AD) wrote an epic poem in which he describes the Englishmen and Normans of England defeating Louis VI of France at Brémule in 1119 AD, when the latter's forces attempted to wrest control of the Duchy from the King of England

>Here Noyon's towers rise o'er the plain,
>And Oise flows onward to the Seine,
>Two banner'd hosts in ranks advance :
>Here, Lewis leads the pow'rs of France ;
>Henry of England, there, commands
>His English and his Norman bands.
>See his arm the foremost crush.
>The island spearmen onward rush ;
>While the bold chivalry of France
>Recoils before the Norman lance ;
>And muttered oaths reveal their shame.
>As they curse the conqueror's name.
>So distant ages long shall tell
>Of gallant Henry, first to quell
>On his own soil the Frenclunan's pride,
>Where Noyon's field with blood was dyed ;
>And conq'ring England's mighty son
>The spoils and laurell'd trophies won.

It's a good example of the distinctions made between ethnic groups, geographical territories and realms

>>213634684
And they spread all over Europe and MENA

>>213634896
>Frenclunan's
*Frenchman's

>>213634883
My point is simple

Europe's ethnic groups have mixed so much that the idea of clear-cut "ethnicity" feels kinda pointless. The Normans are a perfect example, they were Vikings and French at the same time. This is what European ethnicity is all about.

>>213634219
In my opinion, Latin didn't just disappear like magic overnight. it evolved into the now Romance languages as regional dialects developed and shifted. at that same time the Romans themselves mixed in with locals so much that cultural and ethnic lines got all blurry.

>>213635179
>Europe's ethnic groups have mixed so much that the idea of clear-cut "ethnicity" feels kinda pointless.
Absolutely groundbreaking

>The Normans are a perfect example, they were Vikings and French at the same time.
But they were not. There were vikings that were called "Normans" by the French, and later there were Frenchmen that were called "Normans". The two groups while obviously historically related are in effect clearly distinct.

>>213635244
Latin didn't disappear at all. It continued to be used as an academic and liturgical language for centuries through medieval and modern Europe. It's still relevant today in science to an extent.

Is there any country Britain likes other than Israel? Seems like they've betrayed, backstabbed and made war on just about every other nation in existence.

>>213631975
Lmao I laughed audibly

>>213635587
Latin became a walled-off language for the educated elites of society. It's the language of science, law, and the Church. Its true legacy lives on through several of the world's most prominent languages and the alphabet/writing system we're using to communicate on this website

>>213635436
Your point isn't wrong. But again, I just think Europe's peoples are so mixed that these distinctions lose much of their meaning, they were Vikings, then French, and later even English. That's what European peoples are: all connected and blended together.

Since Latin disappeared, who could possibly claim to be its "true successor"? Even linguists can't say, why? Because each language evolved in its own way. That's what European peoples are. identities are blurry, and No one can truly claim ownership over an ancient language or culture.

>>213635587
Ah… dude, why are you taking it that way? When I said disappeared, I meant that the peoples and nations who spoke Latin as their mother tongue are gone. You know

>>213635179
First, there were the Northmen also called Vikings
Then, they settled in a part of Neustria, inhabited by Gallo-Franks, and called this part Normandy
Then, they became less than 5% of the Normandy population, population who was called Normans no matter the ethnicity (the same way Bretons and Provençaux and Gascons are just called French)
Then, 100 years latter, most Normans were still Gallo-Franks and some of them were Gallo-Frankish-Northmen (these mixed Normans were like 1/4 Northmen)
Then, William conquered England with Normans with the help of Gallo-Franks from other regions
Finally, people keep calling them Normans even if they were from Flanders or Brittany or Gascony
Do you understand now?

>>213635964
>latter
Later*

>>213630017
oof.
How can the rapebabies and their rapebaby language recover from this one?

>>213635826
>they were Vikings, then French, and later even English.
"They" weren't the same though. You're talking about different "They". The Normans of 911 didn't "transform" into the Normans of 1066.

>Since Latin disappeared, who could possibly claim to be its "true successor"?
Latin.

>I meant that the peoples and nations who spoke Latin as their mother tongue are gone.
They did not. They transformed just like the Roman language transformed.

>>213635964
I get where you're coming from, and sure. But from what I know, no matter how much mixing happened, they never called themselves French, they always said Norman, and when invading England, they referred to themselves as Normans, not French. I think this gives us a rough, partial glimpse of how many pure French there really were among them

>>213635964
Complete nonsense holy shit

>>213636364
You're wrong, search "Norman" and "French" in the Domesday Book
https://opendomesday.org/
"Norman" is always the name of a person or a place, but you actually find several people called "1 Frenchman"

>>213636427
Stupid Moroccoshit

>>213629880 (OP)
we must worship the king because his asshole tastes delicious ou quoi

>>213636427
seethe

>>213636485
I'm not sure. In my opinion, just because others called them "Frenchmen" doesn't necessarily mean they defined themselves that way. What really matters is what they called themselves, especially since when they conquered England, they never referred to themselves as French

To me, what matters is that they started out as Germanic vikings from Scandinavia, who became French speaking and culturally French, a perfect example that truly shows what European ethnicity is all about. end of story

>>213629880 (OP)
Typical delusional anglo-saxon
He is right about the french though

>>213637197
>I'm not sure
I am

>>213630017
Certified gold post, fuck the french.