Thread 213818362

transitive sneezing edition

What language(s) are you learning?

>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

first for dabbling

>>213818519
were you the brit who wanted portuguese learning tips? where did you go, brit?

>>213818990
Afraid not eternal ally

>>213819088
checked. Ok, he'll appear someday. I've been wanting to make a list of resources for learning one of these days but cba to do it.
nowadays, you can update the meme to have the kraut who robbed her

It's German or Japanese now
I rejected Italian once again. Relatively few resources, I have no contact with Italians anymore, and they don't make good music anymore, everything in the Romance World is reggaeton, latino trap or whatever you called it now.
French really seems to be the best Romance language, they care about their language, they do produce contemporary slop and shitty music but with many gems and also do care about classics... but I am far away from them and I will not be talking to French people on a daily basis anytime soon. So I have a choice between languages of countries that are close, cheap, pay well, or produce a lot of original content in the media. French is somewhere in between these categories: France isn't that far away, but it's still a bit of a distance, too expensive for a nice cheap vacation, but too cheap to emigrate there. It produces interesting music, TV series, and films, but not that much. And the language is demanding as hell. And I also have the impression that they reached their cultural peak in the early 2000s, but I have the same opinion about many countries. I still believe that we will be kings of Europe in the future, but by then I will be old or I won't live to see it.

>>213819088
never forget

>>213819538
>to have the kraut who robbed her
Wait, is that case actually solved? Over here everyone thinks the parents murdered her

>>213819677
this german guy has been a suspect for a few years now but it looks like nothing has happened with the case

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c071err0079o

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/mundo/madeleine-mccann-novas-buscas-no-algarve-terminam-sem-resultado_v1660211

i thought there was some progress but I guess not, other than the "new" suspect.

>>213791302
>How many languages did you learn by it? (comprehensible input)
Let me turn that around on you and ask you whether anyone has ever become fluent in a language without listening to the language a lot and reading it a lot.
I'm learning Japanese, and, although I haven't become fluent in it, the grammar and vocabulary are so different that I don't think anything would stick without me listening to so much of it. I'm doing Anki, and have been reading Tae Kim, but probably just as much vocabulary I know has just been picking it up through listening so far rather than through flash cards, and all I did was read some of the sections sometimes for the Tae Kim textbook. And now, when I hear a lot of basic sentences, I just instantly understand the general idea that's being communicated; it used to he I'd have to pause and grammatically dissect what I'd just heard for those same sentences.
But it's frustrating when I understand the structure of the sentences, but none of the vocabulary. That's why I do Anki, because it would take forever to learn vocabulary without memorization.

I was just thinking about how much I hate /lang/ and everyone in it, and here you are!

>>213820215
clicked on that video in the portuguese article and i can't get over the fact that eu-pt sounds like french if it were cool

¿Dónde está el baño?

>>213820448
The feeling's mutual.

>>213821584
Thanks for this comprehensible input. I can log the time I spent reading your post on my Dreaming Spanish account.

What is there to even listen to in Italian? I know there's tons of reading, but I'm not there yet, can't do opera or whatever because I'm not there yet. I've just been listening to 1930's-40's imperial music on repeat, surely there is something else?
And I already know spanish so I'm 3/4 of the way there, but the final 1/4 is a big leap.

Theres a canuck here and im the currently drunk Russian/French/Gaelic having britbong, but others are open to this funny little question.
HEY! BOYS! How do I get some love for French? I've been feeling pretty UNLOVIN towards it, though i know i used to really like it, since I think Spanish is worse. anyone want to wax some lyricals to can catch the love? Really say what you like about the culture and what you wanna do in the language.
(I personally really wanna read BD, and i have some, which is actually quite hard to read)
>Captcha: G00PA

I am building a new visualization mnemonic system for korean.

>Each two letter syllable (not 3 letter) combination is mapped to a PAO (person action object) system.
>This would normally render 400 different images, which is too many, so I compressed very similar sounding syllables into the same image mapping so it comes to around 120.
>Some syllables are 3 letters, not two, so each letter has a modifying PAO that alters the person, action, or object its attached to in some way.
>Each letter also has its own PAO mnemonic (for single syllable words) + general sensory association mnemonics (cold, airy, slimy, warm, sharp, red, soft, etc - Solomon Shereshevsky style kinesthetic sound association)
>There are also a few simple modifier mnemonics to mark things like plosives

This renders a highly procedural and rapidly repeatable system - without having to fish for similar sounding words like you do with word-linking mnemonics. I believe the same system would also work with japanese.

The only issue is base words of 4 syllables or more, but those are pretty rare in korean due to agglutination so it doesn't really matter.

>>213822490
What do you mean, you have Russian/French/Gaelic?

>>213822847
The languages im learning across my fuckin CAREER of learning since 2018 were Gaelic at first (which has since left to rot), Russian (which i've been seeing some very concrete improvement from last year to this year, and French (which is my token vanilla ploy)

>>213822882
I see. Unfortunately, I can't help you increase your love for french since I'm not a fan of the language.

>>213823044
no worries, it *is* directed to those who know/learning french. If you want to wax lyrical about how great polish is then i'd listen. because i'm like a parasite, you say why you like it i say "yep, mine now" and proceed to learn it.
I'm a big believer in LOVE for the language being the biggest fuel for it. If you don't enjoy it, you don't learn it, simple as.

>>213823143
>wax lyrical
That's not in my repertoire I'm afraid.
>I'm a big believer in LOVE for the language being the biggest fuel for it
Yeah, that's true, and it's probably why I can't stick with anything.

>>213822882
>Safe language
Just pick Italian? Sounds better, easier to learn, cooler. French isn't a good language.

>>213823304
wax lyrical i use like some fancy words for saying "fuckin glaze it, praise it beyond the high heavens and say not a bad word against it" if you're capable of it, i know that some eastern europeans are like "omg wtf my lang is CRINGE and NO ONE SHOULD INFLICT MY LANGUAGE upon themselves...." like fuck off, any language is a good language to learn, my first foreign language was a dead language you fucking cucks.
>>213823344
I get dreadfully bored with italian, i haven't the love with it, one day I will, but that'll be after french. (I have resources for both)

>>213823363
>Bored
Yeah I can see that, until you get to actual plays and books there's really not much.
Still more fun than french for me.

Anyone else feel an ASMR like experience sometimes when doing input?

>>213820522
>clicked on that video in the portuguese article and i can't get over the fact that eu-pt sounds like french if it were cool
heh, try listening to this now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr6fcJU_cYs

Portuguese and Brazilian are de facto distinct languages at this point even if they refuse to admit it.
Same situation occurs with various Arabic languages - Moroccan Arabic is not mutually intelligible with Gulf/Saudi/Levant Arabic.
The differences above are greater than those between Croatian and Serbian, or Hindi and Urdu, and at least the written forms of Norwegian and Danish.

>>213823483
he's speaking french backwards

We love Poland

>>213824170
I learned to play accordion by listening to songs and imitating them.

Happy I found Tower of Fantasy. Free2Play mobile open-world MMO Chinese Genshin Impact knock-off with FULL Brazilian Portuguese language-support including dubbing from Brazilian voice actors.

>>213824170
There are literally thousands of people that learned to play music by ear without learning musical notation or having theory classes on harmonics.

>>213824170
>>213824233
I sang bass in a professional choir at one point. I've literally never taken a voice lesson in my entire life.

>>213822319
The Easy Italian podcast

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

Anon, I want to learn a Slav language. Please help me chose between these :
The one that gets the most vote, I will do my best to grind it. I know Cyrillic and latin alphabet.

Russian,
Ukrainian,
Belarusian
Polish,
Czech,
Slovak
Slovenian,
Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian,
Macedonian,
Bulgarian

>>213824748
Thanks (bumping)

>>213824748
Why?

>>213825549
Personal goal and challenge. One of my dream too - Czech may be too difficult so not sure I could handle it… Bulgarian is probably easiest but idk much about Bulgaria

>>213825626
Pick the language you actually most want to learn.

Difficulty is going to be mainly based on materials, so easiest would actually be Russian or Polish if I had to guess.

>>213824748
Russian because it's biggest and has the best literature. really the only option if your only motivation is "I want to learn a Slavic language"

>>213825749
Yeah, my top would be Czech (except it seems rough), Russian and or Polish. Yes they all have extreme grammar I am aware. And some have particular “sounds” that don’t match the script. Etc… I know they aren’t Germanic, Romance languages.
I feel as Czech could be the hardest though, I can only do thrilled R sounds

>>213824170
damn...

>>213824233
Die Ziege (Jimi Hendrix) hat sich selbst bekanntermaßen Gitarrenspielen beigebracht, indem er sich neben dem Radio hingesetzt hat und stundenlang die Lieder die er hörte nachzuahmen versucht hat. Ich spiele Gitarre selbst und ehrlich gesagt finde ich die weite Verbreitung und Verfügbarkeit von sogenannten "Tabs" und andere Ressourcen wie Youtube-Video eigentlich eher schädlich für Lernende weil Leute sich oftmals drauf zu viel verlassen und drauf angewiesen werde anstatt ihres eigenes Ohr zu verbessern was zugegebenermaßen todlangweilig sein kann aber unglaubliche Vorteile mit sich bringt.

somebody knows where can i get the pimsleur german course ?

>>213824748
God, for fucks sake, are you the canuck that asked me for help?
First of all, strike belarusian from your list. ideally you might want to strike macedonian and slovakian from your list too. since those can be handled with bulgarian and czech respectively.
If we're still striking, I'd say the only ones worth learning are Russian, Polish, Serbo-croatian and Bulgarian.
Make the choice yourself and you'll have the love with you.

>>213825986
looks like it's on here. though file size is large and the download speed will be slow
https://annas-archive.org/md5/db403f6a378af7c793a7224f03a825b4
I wonder if Pimsleur or Assimil is better for German

>>213826319
ty bro !
i read that pimsleur is very useful for german and spanish but i will check

>>213826319
Use both with Deutsch Nach Der Naturmethode
https://archive.org/details/deutsch-nach-der-naturmethode_202312

I think I wanna learn Czech…….. Should I ? :O

Brazillians somehow managed to make an honorific pronoun became more informal than an "archaic informal pronoun" (more used in Portugal)

>tu acabaste
Tu is an informal pronoun, acabaste is a second person singular indicative past perfect cojugated verb.
>você acabou
Você is an honorific pronoun, acabou is a second person singular indicative past perfect conjugated verb.

Note : você must be followed with acabou, not acabaste.

However "você acabou" became a more coloquial sentence with time.

>>213826878
Nah, learn Tamil instead.

>>213827081
Sorry but not interested in languages other than indo European languages :/

>>213826260
K … so Russian OR polish then …

>>213827135
Then you'll love Hindi.

>>213827220
No - Only European continent sorry,

Already 10 books read this year in French and my vocabulary skills is feeling it, alright

>>213827329
French is easy, plus yore Spanish
Source : my native language

>>213827329
*are feeling it

>>213827341
French is difficult, man. It’s far more difficult than English, actually.

Stupid French prepositions are a nightmare for Spanish speakers

>>213827380
No….. French grammar is easy. Trust me. I’m dumb ajd if I’m able to understand “de” “à” “sur” “dans”
“Dont” “en” “auquels” “duquel” “sur” etc


ANYONE can learn French. Trust me.

Meanwhile me wanting to learn a Slavic language …. Wish me luck

**व** is an allophone entity in Devangari, so it may be confusing when you see the distal demonstrative pronoun **वह** having the phonetic quallity of a decrescent dithong where the semivowel is a voiced labiodental approximant[ʋ], instead of a voiced labiodental fricative[v].

>>213827708
I’m not talking about the literal meaning of French prepositions per se; rather, I’m talking about the different grammatical contexts where they are used.

For example, we have the English sentence, “a house with an ocean view.”

In Spanish, that would be, “Una casa con vista al mar.”

If we translate that sentence literally from Spanish to French, that would be, «une maison avec vue à la mer.»

But we know that the correct sentence is, “une maison avec vue sur la mer.»

This is the course of the Spanish speaker because you tend to translate too literally things from Spanish to French since both languages are very similar, and sometimes that makes room for mistakes like the one I just wrote. You pretty much have to memorize hundreds of uses of prepositions in French that apply to only certain situations.

I already consider myself an advanced French speaker, but from time to time, my Spanish just gets in the way of my French.

>>213827708
Oh, and good luck with your Slavic language learning journey. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to learn a language that isn’t rooted in Latin or Germanic languages

>>213823554
its not that much different lil bro

>>213818362 (OP)
i love georgian.
i love how sometimes it's ergative.
i love how sometimes the subject is in the dative.
i love verbs like თქმა and მიცემა that use completely different roots in some tenses.
i love how there are no infinitives.
i love how saying "i am" is ვარ and saying "you are" is ხარ, but saying "i love you" is მიყვარ*ხარ* and saying "you love me" is გიყვარ*ვარ*

>>213823554
Agreed.

वमूस मूड्डर ओ सक्रप्च ड्डू पोरट्टूगेइज़ पारा ऊ देवगारी

>>213827245
Romani sounds right up your alley.

How much longer until I'm fluent?

>>213826931
Wasn't it the same with the English "you"? Only the English equivalent of "tu" (thee) disappeared completely

Korean plan:
1. Do the pimsleur Korean course
2. Watch korean-language media
3. Read with LWT
4. Extract 5,000 sentence cards into anki using the routledge korean frequency dictionary.
5. Actually talk to Koreans?

Flaws?

>>213830338
you and thee are oblique forms (nom ye, thou), but pretty much, yes

>>213830338
You is not an honorific contraction.

Você came from the etymological root (vossa + mercê).

>>213830338
english used to have 2nd person singular/plural and nominative/accusative with thou/thee (singular) and ye/you (plural), and you was used, like french vous, for singular formal, and eventually all these forms collapsed into just "you".
initially, this probably happened as a hedge to avoid ever being informal, but ironically in the process destroying the formal register entirely.

>>213830483
>>213830574
Fun fact: in Polish, "wy" was also a formal speech, required in offices, when spoken with authorities etc., and due to the history of authoritarian oppression, often dealing with non-Polish or not recognized as "ours" authorities, this form began to have negative associations and someone could easily be offended in this way nowadays
>>213830512
Not anymore, but used to
>>213830421
None

>>213830757
On God?

>>213823554
Algerian Arabic vs Gulfie Arabic is a greater distinction than even Spanish vs Portuguese, let alone two dialects of Portuguese.
No way is Portuguese two distinct languages.

>>213823873
Going to use this the next chance I get with my online Polish friend

>>213831525
Tell me something in Portuguese them smart pants.

>>213830934
please stop with the zoomer-slang cringe. You've done it multiple times now. Valeu

>>213832115
sopa de macaco

>>213824748
Czech

>>213830512
>You is not an honorific contraction.
no, but 'ye' functioned as a formal singular in the past, as with all Germanic languages where the plural was/is used this way
this is know as a T-V distinction, based on Latin tu-vos, and you speak of T and V forms

>>213830757
>this form began to have negative associations and someone could easily be offended in this way nowadays
Similar story to Swedish, which led to the so-called "du-reform". 'Ni' (the V-form, or one of them, actually) started being seen as a distant, and demeaning, addressal eventually, especially when it came to master-staff dynamics, since this wasn't just a formal, we-don't-know-each-other, way of addressing strangers, but also people you were socially distant to, so a housewife would address a maid or something in this socially distant way, for example.

The use of V-forms also enjoyed a little rennaisence in the 80's, and since then it's commonplace in business-customer relations, where stores/restaurants/hotels, etc will address you formally as a customer, especially in writing.

>>213830512
pretty based

>>213834625
That's cool. I like finding similarities like this in seemingly very different cultures.

>have trouble remembering complex kanji way above my level
>send a message to grok.com to help me create a story using the kanji, using the visual elements of the kanji
>i can visualize elements i didnt see before and remember things
what can possibly go wrong with this approach

>>213835955
When I tried to use mnemonics for kanji, it was fine for a few dozen then it became an ordeal just to remember to mnemonic and turned it all into a bit of a clusterfuck.

page 10

>>213818362 (OP)
>Start learning Arabic for money
>Everyone says it’s very difficult
>Study for 4 months
>It’s not even bad
>Teachers never saw someone memorize so much
>guy is stunned in disbelief when I actually memorized 50 words in a week
Just do it bros.

Most useless european lang to learn in your opinion?

>>213840543
Luxembourgish

>>213840231
If you're interested in a language, it's stupid to be put off by its "hard" reputation. Measures like the FSI rankings are supposed to be objective measures of roughly how long a typical student takes to learn one language relative to other languages.

>>213840543
Macedonian

>>213833741
I saw that meme in one of my Dreaming Spanish videos.

>>213840543
dutch

>>213840543
any minority language that's not like, basque.
they'll all be dead within 50 years :(

>>213840543
Polish

>Borrowed from Venetan s-ciao, sciavo (“slave”) (in particular the expression s-ciao vostro (literally “(I am) your slave”), in essence meaning "I am at your service", or "your humble servant")

So when italians greet you, you are essentially owning them as slaves?

>>213842267
servus (latin for slave) is also a greeting in southern germany.

>>213842267
Mexicans do the same by saying 'mandé' which basically means 'pardon' or what do you want coming from a phrase that meant at your command master.

>>213840543
Polish

>>213833741
Allahu akbar I fucked my goat and my uncle molested

damn, nigga was already revolutionizing the game in 2008
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3D79EE9E1CA2C2C0
these seem helpful for understanding all the language courses out there

>>213841414
it makes sense. This reminds of an anon a while back who was talking about how good books (no matter how long) are easier to read than garbage or slop, no matter how short or simple the slop may be. Which is true in my life. I've read 700-800 page books in a matter of days before, and other I never finished or only finished after a month. The difference was taste and pleasure.

>>213840543
The one I'm not interested in

Sami is the correct answer though.

>>213841718
>>213842776
Rude

>>213842267
>>213842379
the highly casual greeting 'tjena' or 'tjenare' stems from this as well
an archaic spelling of 'tjänare' ("servant"), and a clipping of "I am your humble servant" (i.e. "jag är Eder ödmjuke tjänare") and similar

Languages I wanna learn:
Fixed:
>French
>German
Maybe:
>Attic Greek
>Japanese
>Chinese
>Russian
Might/Don't know:
>Sanskrit
>Danish

>>213840543
lingua luxemburgensis; eius regiō est parvissima in eurōpā

>>213844255
just speak Brazilian without "oi" and "eu" sounds, that would be Russian

>>213844445
I’m more interested in reading than speaking. I don't care about Russia, only it's literature.

>>213824170
i wanted to practive my german but there was no yt content in ferman and their boards were only talking about drachenlord 100 threads about drachenlord all year round all day every day

>>213840543
arabic; there is just too much divergence between the various dialects

is it 厕所 or 洗手间 ?

And you guys had the gall said duo doesn't teach you any useful sentences

>>213840231
You would not believe the number of language learners that don't know about Anki and only memorize like 10 words a week because they have no idea how to study.

>>213835955
>>213837009
Mnemonics are useful for particular kanji that just don't seem to stick in your memory, or when you're trying to differentiate between two kanji that look very similar. It's a waste of time to do mnemonics for every single kanji though.

>>213844255
You still 100 hours in French?

>>213844530
ill remember that

>>213846845
to spice out
>Whoa man, you're lookin' pretty red, you good?
>>Yea bro don't mind me, I'm spicing out haha

>Bro those chilis were so hot
>>Yea dude, you spiced out big time

>>213846845
https://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=enchilar

>>213846917
>>213847086
hmm, never used it to say get angry or annoyed before, I will go with spiced, thanks

>>213847318
First time I heard that verb.

>>213847318
spice out*
it's a separable verb

>>213847377
>>213847727
yeah, I like that one, that's exactly what it means, I don't like "my mouth is burning" because that leaves a lot out

I just had to have the hobby that takes a fucking eternity to get to the finish line. Why couldn't I have been obsessed with bowling or some shit like that?
God damn it...

やばっ、日本語勉強し過ぎて英語忘れちゃった。先生俺死にたいんですよ

>>213848623
Those are the best hobbies. Once you cross the finish line, the emptiness sets in again.

>>213848118
i'm glad to help

「台所、キッチンもあります」
The person who said this in the video is pointing at a picture of the kitchen.

Is this like a way to say in English, as your pointing at a diagram:

"Ok, kitchen....and there is [the] kitchen...."

I didn't get it because I'm reading the kanji as だいどころ and translating it to mean "kitchen," which is also how I translated the katakana.

Pros and Cons of :
>grinding to learn Russian
>grinding to learn Czech
>grinding to learn Slovak
Hopefully someone learned these so I can get an overview. And is it true that : a language with not a lot of resources = harder ? I speak Romance languages and English, wanted to try Swedish but idk if I want to anymore and looking at more intense languages for a challenge. Honestly grammar wise it’s all as difficult

>>213848781
Damn, that's true

kun bee äien 'n uutdóógen posten
ik bruuk meer mootiivóósjoon um wat unbekant t' leeren
däi poeg is föör d'ferspróóek d'r

>>213845530
洗手间 is slightly more formal/written language and more polite
厕所 is spoken language

>>213848954
He's probably just saying there is a kitchen (台所), then he says キッチン to clarify what he means since 台所 is a less common word.

>>213849413
thanks I'll remember that
Duo is currently brainswahing me with 洗手间 while I keep reading/hearing 厕所 everywhere else

>>213822490
Canadians all hate french

>>213849162
Another indecisive faggot? The disease is spreading...

>>213850452
That’s because I don’t really expose myself enough : I listen to Czech sometimes on the radio, that’s it for now.

>>213850382
faux

>>213848954
would be helpful to post the full thing but going off what you said it's almost certainly that he's saying the word for kitchen is 台所 (だいどころ), but you can also call it キッチン (literally キッチン also exists [as a word for that concept]), he introduced both names for it

>>213844255
Languages I wanna learn:
>English
>German
>Italian
>Japanese
Maybe:
>French
>Swedish
>Norwegian
>Russian
>Portuguese
Might/Don't know:
>Turkish
>Chinese
>Finnish
>Hungarian
>Spanish
>Latin
>Sumerian
>Danish
>Icelandic

>>213823554
Brainlet take, but the thing about Arabic is true

>>213849162
Czech and Slovak are practically the same, I think there are more resource for Czech
I don't care about Russian
Learn Czech

how can i into italian

>>213822319
You can easily go to youtube, search for anything you like in Italian and browse for a while

>>213844255
Languages I wanna learn:
French native

>Czech (good luck lol)
>German

Maybe:

>Russian (not sure if worth it)
>Swedish
>Norwegian
>Mongolian (lol good luck finding books etc)
> Italian but ONLY because my sister lives there not because I want to

Excluded on my list :

>Chinese
>Japanese
>Korean
>Arabic
>Finnish/Estonian (looks too extreme)
>latvian/lithuanian
>Spanish (Does NOT interest me AT ALL)
>Most Asian/African languages - Sorry but no

>>213851457
ille index linguārum longus est, fortasse nimis longus?
>>213850452
et animam et mangam in linguā latinā habere volō...

>>213845530
depends on context. if you are at the office you use the cesuo if you are at someones house you use the xishoujian

>>213853129
well now I have to wait for a third opinion because it's split

Anybody here use lingopie? I was thinking of using it for Spanish but I heard they try to scam you by not letting you cancel

>>213844255
Languages I wanna learn:
>French
>German
>Latin
>Greek
Maybe:
>Russian
>Irish
>Italian
>Japanese
>Sanskrit
If I had unlimited time:
>Welsh
>Spanish
>Portuguese
>Polish
>Finnish
>Lithuanian
>Persian
>Chinese
>Arabic

>>213852413
I need to improve my English, I want to learn Japanese, German OR another Germanic language (e.g. Swedish) and Italian OR another Romance language (e.g French). The rest are more or less short-lived interests.

>>213853646
what's wrong with your english? Can you not read stuff like this? https://finwake.com/1024chapter1/1024finn1.htm

>>213853410
Well I but the bullet and took the free trial but canceled immediately because their selection sucks and they don't have any dubbed anime. What seems kind of scummy is that when you cancel the subscription, you lose access immediately unlike most places where they let you continue with the free trial.

I tried to reduce my English accent to sound British. When I say the schwa (uh instead of er in words like bettER), for instance, I REALLY sound like I am mocking the British accent. I don't sound genuine.
Is that a good reason to just stick to American English accent?

>>213854694
>When I say the schwa (uh instead of er in words like bettER),
The thing is, a lot of Americans will treat the schwa and the vowel in 'but' as the same sound but with the 'but' vowel being the stressed variant and the schwa being the unstressed variant. So when you say 'uh' to represent this sound I assume you're following the convention that Americans often use to spell this sound. However, you should know that there is a clear phonemic split in all accents outside of the US and Canada afaik (but keep in mind some merge these vowels with others instead). Actually it's very obvious when an American tries to imitate my accent and slightly but noticeably fucks up words like 'better' by getting this sound wrong. You might be doing something like this. I would have to hear it for myself to know what you're doing.
>Is that a good reason to just stick to American English accent?
I don't care, I just don't don't think you should learn an accent spoken by a small number of people that no one has any familiarity with.

>>213854694
A better reason is because british accents sound retarded

>>213854694
Are you that one guy who couldn't decide which language to learn??

>>213855173
Well, I decided on what to do, and took action, so no.

>>213855203
What do you mean?

>>213855252
Unless a very specific event occurs that propels me to learn a particular language, say,dating someone from that language group, or a work proposal, or studying in a foreign country, or if somehow I become a diplomat or whatever, I am not touching anything other than English, at least for a long time.

I'm only working 20 hours a week but working and studying my other languages and studying Japanese is too much
I AM QUITTING JAPANESE

>>213855462
Japanese is a grind and a half. Not even difficult, it just takes forever

>>213854694
>I REALLY sound like I am mocking the British accent.
Let's hear it

>>213855521
https://voca.ro/1frqED367iYd

>>213855521
https://voca.ro/1fwhuqw2Pvkv

What is a linguist?

>>213855618
Why are you going for a soulless posh accent? Go for cockney or something similar

>>213855618
>>213855668
You don't sound like you're mocking the British accent because your accent isn't good enough for people to think that's what you're doing.

Don't do this >>213855683

>>213855683
https://voca.ro/1gb9J4LAAW1F

>>213855806
https://voca.ro/16gZzqa0Ol7r

Terrible posts lads. Just ghastly

>>213856053
Ghastly rigmarole, I daresay

>>213856053
ecce, hanc cervisiam accipe.

>>213855923
https://voca.ro/1egOkUsKEATd

bruh this nigga

>>213856936
Average French learner

>>213855109
At least it's better than the "Austr*lian" accent.

Feel like women tend to learn speaking skills faster than men. Yesterday, I attended a music festival held in South Korea. I came across a bunch of Western people who live in South Korea. What I found was that most of the women there would want to switch languages when I first spoke English, like
> 아 저 한국말 할 줄 알아요 (Oh, I do speak Korean)
Men would not do this, and they are suck at this
I don't know. They are not good at writing Korean, regardless of whether they are women or men. But, speaking Korean naturally is possible for a Korean learner if they are a woman

>>213858530
I believe this is empirically true, women have an advantage at language learning. I don't know all of the cognitive science behind it but my understanding is that words/language are more emotionally salient for women and thus easier to remember and distinguish.

What is the most difficult or intense European language to actually learn ?

>>213859426
Easily Hungarian.

>>213859426
anything uralic
hungarian, finnish, estonian, the sami languages, any of the minority uralic languages in northwestern russia, etc

>>213859493
More so than Slavic ones ? Or like equally as hard ?

>>213859608
the slavic languages are least indo-european which i intuitively feel like should help
for what it's worth they're labeled as category 4.5 languages whereas the slavic ones are estimated to be category 4

>>213859650
Yeah so not so different in terms of difficulty it’s if .5 point. For me it’s the grammar I care the most about

>>213859695
the categories were developed by the foreign service institute and measured the time it took become proficient in terms of hours for an english speaker. cat 4 takes ~1100 hundreds on average, cat 4.5 isn't defined beyond between 1100 and 2200 (naturally ~1650 hours if split down the middle but i doubt it's the case, could be more, could be less)
i think youd progress a lot more in 6 months of russian compared to finnish personally, but just learn whatever you're interested in desu

>>213859757
6 months seems like nothing, I bet you’d need minimum5 hours a day to get at least some vocab in 6 months. Not counting all the mouth sounds that aren’t common in Romance languages or English. Maybe I shouldn’t be so discouraging. Still, it’s easy to just abandon than continue when you struggle, I bet

>>213859858
im about 6 months in korean and have ~5k words and can follow vlogs and shit like that. so you should be able to get at least that far in russian if devoting the same amount of hours

>>213860046
Korean… 5k words. That seems impressive to me, idk if I could be as effective as you (low self esteem maybe ?)
Yeah depends how many hours a day you do / I haven't decided YET, I wanted to start with western Slavic language but then Russian only has 6 cases instead of 7. And western Slav seems to have impossible words to pronounce so I may need to reevaluate the language I want to learn.

bump

Whose great idea was it to have the IPA letters for the nasal sounds all look nearly identical?

Languages I wanna learn:
>English
>French
>German
Maybe:
>Basque
>Italian
If I had unlimited time:
>Russian
>Arabic

>>213861472
yeah whose idea was it to have a common characteristic shared by all those sounds be represented in a common way? that's preposterous

>>213861857
nah, this just sucks

>>213862269
ah you mean those. to me they look inherent because i'm used to them, but basically, ŋ looks like a g, which leaves you with ɲ, where it's more apparent that the initial bit looks like a j. maybe that helps you remember it, but it is really straight forward.
by the way: ŋ (eng) is not only an ipa symbol, but also a letter used in a couple of languages, among which a couple tribal languages in america, and the sami languages in northern europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eng_(letter)?useskin=vector

have a bump before going 2 bed

Is it weird that when I read this:
>She tosses her plank through the window of the taxi, dives in after it (she’s small, opening the door is optional), climbs in behind the driver’s seat, sinking into a deep nest of wooden beads and air fresheners, grinds the motor, and takes off.
I think she's sitting in the back seat *behind* the driver's front seat? Is it just my ESL brain not getting something here? Or can EFLs confirm this is kinda confusing

>>213863212
It sounds like she dove into the car through the back window on the passenger side but didn't land onto the seat specifically behind the driver until she crawled onto it

>climbs in behind the driver’s seat
By virtue of jumping into the car, she's in the car already, to "climb in" implies she's outside of it
if she's going from having jumped onto the passenger's side back seat then she would "climb onto" the other seat, not "climb in" it. It's totally understandable on first read but I had to re-read it a second time to find what felt off. The author may just have bad grammar

>>213863468
>"climb in"
this semantically makes it sound like she's literally within the seat climbing inside of it, which is nonsensical

>>213863212
It's weird because of the mixed metaphors and omitted details
>She tosses her plank through the window of the taxi, dives in after it
She's jumping into the taxi through a window she broke by throwing a plank of wood
>dives in after it, climbs in behind the driver’s seat
she did this from the window behind the driver's seat, note the mixed metaphor "dives in" vs "climbs in" one is going down, other is going up
>sinking into a deep nest of wooden beads and air fresheners
the mixed metaphor continues "climbs in" vs "sinking into", the wooden beads are from the plank she threw but why would there be so many air fresheners in the seat behind the driver's seat of a taxi?
>grinds the motor, and takes off.
she was in the seat behind the driver's seat how is she grinding the motor and taking off? When did she move to the driver's seat? It's been hyperdetailed so far, why the sudden skip forward?

>>213864368
PS. reminds me of bad postmodern literature (which is most postmodern literature btw)

>bengali verbs conjugate for person but not number
wtf

Romanized Japanese looks like an African langauge. This is the real reason they don't want to get rid of kanji.

I should stop studying Japanese for German and Russian

>>213865880
i don't care for japanese myself but unless you have an interest in our people or media (lol) there's no reason to do that and it will not make you happy
russian is cool though and you run into quite a lot of them online

>>213865723
ni kweli, kwa mfano, ninazugumza na wewe katika kijapani sasa.

>>213854240
There are words that I know how to spell but don't know how to pronounce, and there are words that I know how to pronounce but don't know how to spell. I'm never sure if what I'm writing or saying is correct, I have trouble pronouncing certain things correctly and I stutter because of it. I have trouble expressing my thoughts, sometimes I talk like a caveman, and sometimes like a redditor.
On the other hand, I can watch political and philosophical debates, lectures, and TV series without any problems
>>213861785
>Basque
Because of your background or do you find this language cool?
>>213865880
Why? Also, German and Russian at the same time isn't a good idea I think

Lute is so fucking awesome holy shit I can maintain and progress my reading comprehension in Latin, French, and Spanish just reading because I don’t have to understand nearly as much of the text to go straight to native stuff. Fuck Kaufman’s Jew subscription service.

Plan is to just read/mark all of the vocabulary in a number of biblical books since it’s easy to get .txt of all 3 languages, and they’re so similar. Maybe I’ll add the gospel of John in Italian to get started if this continues to be as easy as it has been so far. Probably the little prince too. I’m just so sick of readers, plus it feels pointless with Romance when I can already comprehend at least 2/3 of the words in any given text with a little thought just from carryover.

I’m too busy otherwise to touch Romance languages (or any other languages) because I’m seriously focused on Korean for professional reasons.

>>213818990
That was actually me. I apologise I had a busy week. Sorry for not coming back. I have started anki and a few other things but fuck me this is harder than I thought. German was quite easy at first because a lot of the words are similar. However German got harder the more I got into it but I feel like this will get a bit easier once I'm past the initial struggle. I've not done as much as I hoped but I've got some free time this weekend.

bump

>>213850025
yeah I got taught 洗手间在哪里 in classes but later realised everyone says 厕所
you will realise more of these literary-spoken differences if you talk more to actual people

>>213861472
the latin alphabet only has symbols for m and n, other ones like ŋ and ɲ developed from early linguistic phonetical notation, and IPA had little reason to make entirely new ones that are unrecognisable as nasals.
At its core IPA letters are just flipped, reversed, and slightly modified latin letters
you can't flip or reverse m or n so they just went with that course of action

also IPA was originally made to express the phonetics of European languages which at most have m n ɲ and ŋ, so it's no surprise when it comes to stuff uncommon in those languages (like devoiced nasals, velar fricatives, aspiration) it does worse

dump

>>213865723
Not with hiragana or katakana though
It's just that it's harder to read something in all kana than with kanji miced in.
In another thread I mentioned I kept reading かわる as わかる by accident. I feel less dyslexic when it's written as 変わる. The latter is usually written in kana, rather than as 分かる, but if at least one is always written with kanji it's easier to not mix up.

>>213863212
You're right that it doesn't make sense. "Grinds the motor" implies she's driving. I certainly thought she was in the back seat behind the driver's seat.

>>213822697
Do you not worry that bean-counting listicle-commission to memory detracts from generalizability, and is there proof that this outperforms (in some softer metric, not just “words memorized”, eg conversational content density) the normal tactic of high-level overview -> brute-force input logicking?

>>213866349
So your speaking is the issue? I have a Polish friend who is C2 in reading and writing easily and he said his speaking is absolutely horrible too (I think he struggles with listening too, unless it's really clear RP or General American)

Just have to force yourself to speak regularly I guess, you certainly have the background knowledge already.

German , Czech OR Russian ?

>>213865723
>>213870295
>It's just that it's harder to read something in all kana than with kanji miced in.
This to me always seemed a bit of a JSL cope. They speak to each other perfectly fine without kanji of course, and there's rarely any massive misunderstanding. Guess you could argue intonation and that plays a role, but I doubt it's as large as people think. It's just context ne

>>213873060
Tbh, I mainly focus on listening and am not that great at reading. It might just be that I'd get better at reading all kana text with practice. Because of my focus on listening, it's not like seeing words in kana that are usually in kanji will totally take me out of it, because I have usually learned the sound first. However, I definitely do think pitch and intonation and the spacing between words makes a big difference. Japanese just uses little punctuation compared to English, so kanji still helps with just word segmentation and hearing how it's supposed to be said I think.

>>213872909
Speaking mostly, but also writing, so I would say that the active part of language ability is a problem, and the passive one is okay (although it's probably not C2 or C1 level anyway), which is not surprising considering that I absorb English mainly passively

>>213874641
Acquiring a language is the opposite of wasting time, it’s a adventure you learn and embark for many years (depends what type of proficiency you want)

How do I conciliate college, violin practice, drawing lessons, reading, playing fighting games, cooking and meditating with learning French?

>>213874951
You make compromises.

>>213874951
> fighting games
> that flag
Stop being a shitskin and start playing Germanic games like Factorio.

>>213874951
Power through learning a few thousand vocabulary words and maybe some grammar then learn by doing those things in French

>>213875145
I wanted to get addicted to Factorio but I got hooked into GregTech: New Horizons instead.
Does that still make me a honorary white? I don't wanna be a shitskin...

>>213874819
And which language are acquiring by asking the same timewasting question in English?

>>213874951
You sit down in a quiet place, look inward, observe your feelings and figure out which of these gay hobbies actually brings you joy through introspection.

How do you guys stay so motivated over months and years, especially using Anki and other apps?

>>213873060
Spoken and written Japanese are very different in the % of Sino-Japanese words that they use, they only make up 18% of everyday regular speech but over 50% of formal text. The difference between the two is a lot more drastic than that between say, spoken and written English.
A lot of concepts in Japanese can be concisely expressed with kanji compounds in the written language which would be challenging to use in the spoken language without explicitly introducing them to listener as "this compound" or providing ample context, so they aren't used nearly as much there, and people switch to less ambiguous but often more verbose alternatives when speaking.
Native Japanese words don't really cause homophone issues because they tend to share the same pronunciation a lot less.

>>213876042
try to limit the boring grind part and just read/listen/watch stuff you're interested in. only use Anki for words that really refuse to stick, so it doesn't take too long. can still be tough if you're stuck with graded readers and can't fluently read the stuff you're truly interested in without heavier dictionary usage

is Memrise good? using it to stack on my Mandarin learning

>>213876816
Isn't it haram to study a kafir language in such depth?

What language do you refuse to learn (or try), so like a No-No language ?
For me, probably asian languages, I have 0 relationship with Asia : urdu/Hindi/cantonese/Mandarin/indonesian/telugu/thai/burmese etc

>>213877774
African and Native American languages for sure.
I used to think most of Asia, except East Asia, but the Buddhist/Hindu/Islamic literary history is starting to interest me a bit more. Plus the Indo-European connection in many Indian and Iranian languages is interesting

>>213872959
Germajn

>>213876925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayd_ibn_Thabit
Protopolyglot Desert Dwelling Language Absorbing Sponge Gigachad
Zayd Ibn Thabit is Jordie, but when you multiply Jordie by x (-1).

Mo mo mo MOG
Jordie, Canacuk, The American/British accent Ruskie and 3 other dabblers are on suicide watch.

咱们今天怎么样?我知道了差不多六百中文生词。太棒了!

>>213879504
我发现了ANKI。非常好的生词学习具。

Is Polish honestly one of the most difficult language to learn ? (Basics) and is it scarier or crazier than Russian in terms of grammar ?

>>213873060
It's absolutely harder to read something written only in kana, I've seen over 9000 examples of natives grimacing after being showed a big fuckoff text in games and the like written in kana only, and I happen to make the exact same face when presented them too.

>>213879504
牛 !
>>213879923
祝你好运 !

>>213879997
Russian requires more memorization because of its free stress and two equally common ways to pluralize nouns.

>>213880400
Random question, but since you're Turkish, was it easier for you to learn Japanese than English? Apparently Japanese grammar is more similar to it than it is to English grammar.

>>213880400
>It's absolutely harder to read something written only in kana, I've seen over 9000 examples of natives grimacing after being showed a big fuckoff text in games and the like written in kana only, and I happen to make the exact same face when presented them too.
Doesn't mean anything unless they've read equal amounts kana only and kanji + kana and still find kana only more difficult. 99.9%+ texts are written with kana and kanji so it's not surprising people are more fluent at reading with the system they've spent overwhelmingly more time with even if that system is very inefficient

>>213875240
>>213874951
correct. read in french, switch the games to french, when possible consume general learning material in french.

>>213876042
>How do you guys stay so motivated

The thought of one day exchanging loving words with an asian qt in her native language unironically

>>213885304
The only Chinese I know is wo ai ni desu

>>213876816
Do you have any examples of text that wouldn't be understood when spoken?

French or Russian?

>>213886108
Are you the Brit that I shared my imitation of British accent to?
I have yet to commit to Modern RP. Do you really, really advise me to stick to General American English and never touch British Modern RP?

>>213886437
Yorkshire accent or nothing

>>213886285
FR

>>213882438
Thanksssss
Will be hard lol

Polish verbs are modified depending on the:

Tense
There are three modern Polish verb tenses: the past tense (czas przeszły), the present tense (czas teraźniejszy), and the future tense (czas przyszły). For the purpose of this article, we’ll focus on one of the Polish verb tenses: the present tense.

Aspect
There are two aspects in Polish: imperfective (niedokonany) referring to incomplete actions, and perfective (dokonany) referring to complete actions.

Mood
There are three moods of Polish verbs: indicative, imperative, and conditional.

Person and Number
Each person, depending on the number, has a form of the verb attributed to it. This is why personal pronouns are often dropped in Polish. If you’d like to know more about Polish pronouns, we’ve written a whole article about them (link).

Grammatical Gender
Some verb forms differ depending on the gender of the person to whom the verb is referring. This is relevant, for example, when creating forms in the past tense.

B. Verb Placement in a Sentence

Where do you place a verb in an affirmative sentence in Polish? It’s quite easy, as Polish uses a similar sentence structure as English:

Subject + Verb + Object (SVO)

“I’ve eaten a banana.”
Ja zjadłam banana.

As we’ve mentioned before, pronouns in Polish are often dropped. This is why it would be more natural to get rid of the pronoun “I” (ja), and say:

Zjadłam banana.

>>213887054
A. Conjugation I

Have a look at the first conjugation. It’s defined by the form of the first-person singular ending in –ę and the second-person singular ending in –esz. We’ll use the verb pisać (“to write”) as an example in the Polish verb conjugation chart below:

SINGULAR PLURAL
ja piszę (“I write”) my piszemy (“we write”)
ty piszesz (“you write”) wy piszecie (“you write”)
On / ona / ono pisze (“he / she / it writes”) oni, one piszą (“they write”)
Ona pisze list.
“She’s writing a letter.”

Some other verbs that follow this conjugation pattern are:

1- Nieść (“to carry”)


Niosę walizki.

“I’m carrying the suitcases.”

2- Kopać (“to kick”) or (“to dig”)

Kopię dół.

“I’m digging a hole.”

3- Dawać (“to give”)

Dajemy prezent Annie.

“We’re giving a present to Anna.”

4- Płakać (“to cry”)

Płaczę przez Ciebie.

“I’m crying because of you.”

B. Conjugation II

The second conjugation is associated with different Polish verb endings: the first-person singular ending is –ę and the second-person singular ending is –isz or –ysz. We’ll examine this by looking at the Polish verb conjugation table for płacić (“to pay”):

SINGULAR PLURAL
ja płacę (“I pay”) my płacimy (“we pay”)
ty płacisz (“you pay”) wy płacicie (“you pay”)
on / ona / ono płaci (“he / she / it pays”) oni, one płacą (“they pay”)

So Russian is essentially peak Eastern Slavic merged with South Slavic/OCS. So if I learn Russian and Polish, then I will comprehend most in every Slavic tongue?

>Do I work on improving my English accent?
>This means I have to practice doing it every day.
>If I stop or get lazy I will start losing gains.
>I might not make much progress to begin with.
>Is such an endeavor worth the daily effort on practicing?
>If I study for ~1.5-2 hours a day, that's ~550 hours a year of studying.
>I can master an ENTIRE language from scratch in that time.
>SO, do I pick a foreign language and study it?
>Or, English is the de facto language of the world, so I might as well perfect it?
>What if I should drop languages for good?
Any advice pls?

any language other than english that produces a lot of original content in the media more than japanese?

>>213887849
Have you considered learning a foreign language?

>>213830421
All you need is:
1. Textbook for the basics
2. Loads of input
3. People to output with

That is all. Everything else is a meme to hold you back. You will watch a bunch of shills tell you that this is all lies, but you will know deep down that you are wasting your time when you are doing anything else.

>>213888153
i am thinking about that, but jokes aside, which one? i gave up the polyglot deliria and became level headed. The problem is, this shift comes with the responsibility of knowing which language is worth learning.
Can you help me brainstorm languages that are worth learning?
I would appreciate it, thanks.

>>213840543
Any that are not spoken in whatever European nation you want to either travel to or live in :)

>>213876915
Used to be - the team behind it got greedy and ruined it.

>>213879504
你知道了?你知道这些生词在干什么呢?
六百?六百是名字吗?没有量词吗?
>>213879923
发现了anki是啥?

>>213888272
Well I guess Pimsleur + Frequency Dict. is my “textbook” and the other two steps are just methods of input, so it works out. I have Koreans to speak with IRL.

As usual, the Jordanian is not interested in anyone else's language learning experience or progress, he is only interested in talking about himself and his own indecision.
Maybe that's why he always gets troll replies.

>>213888972
I don't see how that is relevant. I am not dating anyone here to care about their language learning progress. I want sound advice that could probably get me to stick to a language and break the status quo, but i am stuck with counter-trolls.

>>213889030
Every statement you just made began with the word "I"

>>213889088
Fine. What language are YOU learning?

>>213889030
Just dabble bro. Maybe you'll start feeling attraction for one language and will focus on it.

>>213889030
If you need to ask which language to learn you will never make it. Just give up already.

>have a strong pragmatic reason to learn a language finally
>german is completely soulless
help

>>213882517
Turkish and Japanese grammar are very close, yes. As for whether it made Japanese easier for me I have no clue, I didn't really keep track of it at all and there weren't any people who started Japanese at the same time or anything so I wasn't able to compare my progress with others.
>>213884161
Technically true, yeah. Being equally good at both aside JSL and natives alike would definitely struggle a lot less with kana-only text if they were exposed to it more. That being said, I really doubt that kana-only would be equal or superior to mixed when it comes to reading speed, some simpler texts may be able to allow equal reading speeds to mixed script but reading anything that is more "literary" and flowered or with lots of technical terms would quickly send the one reading into bewilderment. There would be a bigger problem than reading speed then, the issue with homophones would force you to guess the meaning of many words which would be both time wasting and also add the risk of misinterpreting. While I'm not too sure about their side of things I'm pretty sure that I've seen our resident Korean talk about how some texts in Korean can be confusing due to the lack of kanji, and I see no reason for the exact same thing not happening in Japanese as well. Also, kanji condensing text 懐 > ふところ presumably helps raise reading speed.

>>213889159
yeah i am seriously looking into something else to do and once i latch onto something that has sovl i am not touching languages again
if i finally pick a language now, we'll see, but yeah.

>>213887054
>>213887104
Thanks I don't want to learn polish though

>>213872959
Czech now stop asking or you'll never learn anything

>>213889351
Why not …
:( I’m sad. I want to learn it but scared of it

>>213889387
Too difficult I believe, the pronounciation is killing me

>>213889196
Every language is soulless until you acquire it and it becomes a part of you.

>>213886285
I think French is the better choice as a first language for a native English speaker personally

>>213889387
Only if you tell me the reasons, than maybe. But randomly like that, I need to have a good or cool reason to

>>213889455
Don't worry about pronunciation focus on understanding first
>>213889687
It's a sexy language that's the only reason you need
If you don't like it don't bother

>>213890001
I like the sound, polish too : both seem extreme but that’s because they are Slavic/conjugation. Maybe the ONLY thing is there’s less resources aimed t English or French speakers (than polish). I do really like Czech films though, that’s a plus. Still need some time to explore it and find a teacher online somewhere. Not as widely available as German but I’m not doing German anymore

>>213889196
It's unique.
>Only Germanic language to retain its case system
>V2 in top level clauses but SOV in subclauses
Its irregularities also seem to have soul.
If that's not what you meant, there's a good amount of German TV shows and literature. Germany has an interesting history.

Tbh, I think that, if you're learning a language for fun, the best motivation to pick a language is irrational aesthetic attraction, like having a crush on someone.
Me with Japanese:
>"Listen to it... it sounds so nice!"
>"Written down... it looks so pretty!"
>"The grammar... it's so different and interesting!"
>"Learning about kanji and writing them... so fun!"
Probably what partly contributed to some of this is anime and the good image Japan has. I listen to at least three hours every day and it's fun to listen to easy Japanese podcasters talk about their lives and Japanese traditions.
I have similar feelings for some other languages, but I'm focused on Japanese.
So with people being like "Hm, Polish or Russian or French or German..." it's like someone being mildly attracted to multiple people and trying to find rational reasons to ask them out. You should just dive in, maybe you'll like them more after learning more and becoming more attached.
Sorry if it seems weird to compare languages to crushes lol

>>213890211
There are more than enough resources to learn czech
They managed before the Internet you can figure it out

>>213890488
> You should just dive in, maybe you'll like them more after learning more and becoming more attached.

True… I need some time to figure it out it and explore each of them. I eliminated German which may be not that real considering it’s a huge one.
Once I start Czech I will see if it vibrates with me, I don’t care if it’s not widely spoken, what matters is how it grows in you or if you learn it rather quickly let’s say

>>213890661
Wish me luck : step 1, repeat the alphabet out loud

>>213890898
Don't know why you'd do that but I hope you have fun

>>213891048
Make my life an ongoing challenge I guess. Learning a language my whole life is something I’m looking for / alongside other hobbies ofc. Will take my whole life learning if I can manage it and don’t abandon

>>213891288
I don't mean learning a language in general that just sounds like a boring way to go about it

>>213891494
Yeah, maybe it can open doors or something. I also have a degree in translation so who knows… understand the world and communicating it differently. English and French is so boring, I have this urge to try something else but I don’t want to do Italian/spanish/german etc

Good night language learners

>>213888392
many such cases

>>213877774
japanese. It just is never gonna happen. I'd like to but I know how much effort it takes and I already gotta maintain german while learning French. Third lang, especially jap, just ain't gonna happen

>>213890325
>Only Germanic language to retain its case system
icelandic and faroese, and some swedish dialects do too, off the top of my head. There's probably more.

>>213889196
du bist der deutschen Sprache, der Sprache der Dichter und Denker, gar nicht würdig.

>>213875145
The most Germanic games are wage slave sims.

>>213890325
my favorite thing is the developed umlaut system. for some reason every other germanic language dropped that idea along the way, and only kept it in some words.

Native speakers either say their language is the hardest ever, or that it's the easiest. I've never seen one say "My language is of average difficulty".

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>>213895456
English is probably of average difficulty desu

>>213897236
its phonology probably filters hundreds of millions.

>>213890488
This thread is about to die so I'm gonna post my psychoanalytic take on the indecisive no-langers.

The problem is not that they are attracted to multiple languages - everyone is, but you still have to start somewhere. The problem with no-langers is that they don't want to do the work, it seems hard and takes forever, but there is this fantasy that if they find a good enough "reason", it will finally move them to do the work, it will awaken some magical motivation and work ethic that they previously lacked, they want a promise that if they're going to deal with all this drudgery that it's going to pay off big time, a 10/10 wife, 300k starting position where you do nothing, natives sucking your dick for saying "hello" etc. Of course, this is totally unrealistic and even if you promised them a million dollars, I doubt they would be able to do it because external motivation can only get you so far.

The trick to this hobby is to just pick any language that seems interesting and just start, push through the initial stage for a couple months and make some actual, tangible, non-trivial amount of progress that gives you a sense of achievement and makes you feel good. After you get that first dopamine hit of "holy shit this works and i'm moving forward", this experiential knowledge is what keeps you motivated to do it for years, you attain intrinsic motivation and you start enjoying the activity for its own sake and any external rewards are just extra. But no-langers are permanently stuck in the pre-beginner stage and they never get a taste of that, so naturally they switch languages, bargain with themselves, flip over every rock in search of an amazing award that's going to make all the boring grunt work worth it. spoiler: The amazing reward was inside you all along, you just never stuck to it for long enough to experience it.

>>213887104
Is płakać the infinitive form?

>>213826503
Pimsleur is very boring to do, but frankly I think it's quite good for drilling pronunciation

>>213898037
I think you're right, and also their motivation comes from the wrong direction. It goes
>It would be cool if I knew another language -> I should learn another language -> Which language though...?
when it should be
>Wow [language] is great, it sounds nice, I love their music and content, it would be so useful to know it, I want to live in that country, I want a gf who speaks that language, etc. etc. -> I should learn [language] -> How do you go about learning a language?

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>>213898037
Language learning isn't as intrinsically enjoyable as many other activities you could be doing. If you don't have a reason for learning a particular language and no external motivators materialize after you start to become more proficient one day you are going to wake up and simply decide to quit and there will be nothing to stop you