Thread 214205074

The most popular salad here was made by a literal Frenchman

>>214205074 (OP)
Hungarian cuisine is good. But that's because it's from the distant Asiatic steppes originally

>>214205074 (OP)
>no access to spices other than salt
>short growing season (local fruits and veggies are tasteless comparing to those from the south, which made eastern European people not put much attention to cooking as everything tastes the same so bad)
>generally hard life requiring constant work to survive in cold climate so people didn't have much time or will to cook sophisticated dishes
>focus on providing enough calories for work rather than taste, that's why everything is extremely fat

>>214205074 (OP)
is there anything good about Eastern Europe? Seriously, at least one positive stereotype? Even thirdies with all their cons can at least bring good food, warm weather, beautiful landscapes and so on, while eastern Europe has not a single redeeming feature. Food is repulsive, weather is cold, landscapes are boring, people are depressed and perpetually angry. the only thing I can think of is beautiful women but that's something only foreigners can enjoy since they don't even date local men anymore

>>214205570
Good thing Poland is Central Europe then

Easier euros have nice salads but they don't like them

They would rather eat a load of cold mayonnaise covered peas, carrots and potatoes instead of a lovely crispy cucumber and radish salad with a bit of dill

>>214205489
>>focus on providing enough calories for work rather than taste, that's why everything is extremely fat
This is a huge reason why I hate the local dishes, it's just ultra fatty food with no flavour other than the metric ton of sour cream that we douse everything in while making fun of brownoids for doing the same thing but with spices

>>214205674
only boomers eat eastern european food at this point
young people just eat kebabs and pizzas
in 30 years there will be no one who would know how to prepare any of these weird dishes like meatjelly

>>214205779
my mum was raised in a village here in the 1960s and i once asked her how often she'd eat these "traditional" polish dishes like pierogi, she replied never because no one ever had enough time to prepare any kind of special dishes, they would simply eat sauerkraut with potatoes and boiled meat + thick soup for every dinner and bread with milk for breakfast, so the simplest dishes to provide energy for the whole day of hard physical labor
most these "traditional Polish dishes" were only eaten either by rich nobles or even only de facto invented after WW2 when people started immigrating to cities and could finally have more time for culinary experiments.

>>214205779
>it's just ultra fatty food
that made sense back then, sadly our grandmas did not notice our change in lifestyle and still force us to eat 4kcal per day and every dish they serve must be covered with sour cream or just pure fat, even though we sit before the screen 15 hours per day and do nothing else.

I love bigos. Cabbage is popular here too. Think traditional Swedish cuisine (husmanskost) is similar in that it's energy-rich food for manual labor.

>>214206414
yeah, that's why IKEA food feels kinda like "home-like" here and many people just go there for family dinners same way they would go to a Polish restaurant because it's basically the same food

>>214205074 (OP)
Just because it's not drenched in thousands of useless spices doesn't mean that it's bad.

>>214206481
Should serve this: https://www.all-thats-jas.com/swedish-cabbage-casserole/. One of my favorite husmanskost dishes.

>>214205074 (OP)
Nonsense, it's great. Let's eat some chłodnik.

>>214206652
>Nonsense, it's great.
no it isn't
that's why no one outside eastern Europe eats it and easterners themselves stop eating this shit too

>>214205570
Fuck you, I like our food.
>beautiful women
That's a meme, they're nothing special and age like milk.

>>214205880
Stop repeating your nonsensical projections in every thread. Holy shit, what an obnoxious autist you are.

I love our fatty, salty food. Good thing I never developed taste for sweets, alcohol or snacking, keeps me skinny.

>>214206652
Chlodnik is very bland
>>214206825
He's right doe

>>214205074 (OP)
If it's anything like here, no one particularly loves Olivier salad and has it as their favorite dish, but it isn't terrible and kinda belongs. It's more of an "adult taste", if that's a thing in other countries.

>>214206786
>Fuck you, I like our food.
nah you don't
liking one-two dishes doesn't count
and im sure you had a lot of foreign dishes last week

eastern europe food is B tier,dont know whats so bad aout it yeah you have some weird shit but italians ate cats and FRENCH taught us how to do the meat jelly and mayo salads.Dont know where all the hate comes from its just peasant food overall and its hearty.

>>214206962
>It's more of an "adult taste"
good term, i'd also call almost all of eastern European cuisine like this
I generally can't enter the kitchen when my boomer parents prepare their boomer food, it makes me puke to smell or see that slop.

>>214206901
ill eat this without a second tought.

>>214207015
dude, if it's so good then why aren't there eastern european restaurants all over the UK while you have an Indian place or a kebab shop at every corner, even though the size of EE diaspora is as big if not bigger as that Asian?

>>214205779
I think it's perfectly fine and tasty but maybe that's just because I grew up eating it

>>214207039
the only thing that smells too bad its the tripe soup that i know of.

>>214207058
This is already more like Balkan cuisine (great), not eastern European

>>214206042
>most these "traditional Polish dishes" were only eaten either by rich nobles or even only de facto invented after WW2 when people started immigrating to cities and could finally have more time for culinary experiments.
Is this bait? You are so full of shit. Why do you make up random bullshit?
There's nothing fancy about pierogi or whatever folk restaurants serve, they're dishes of peasantry. Nobles' cuisine was wildly distinct from what is considered traditional today, it was very spicy, they used plenty of ginger and other root spices, ate lots of fish, and even had access to avocado. You have no idea what you're talking about, you ignorant clown. Stop posting anytime.
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compendium_ferculorum,_albo_zebranie_potraw

>>214206414
I love Janssons fristelser

>>214207137
Anyways if we want exotic and spicy we'll just eat Balkans food like cevapi, ajvar, kajmak, raznjici etc

>>214207074
jeets strive to never go back home,in our case we usually pocket the money from uk and open frarnchises here at home.

>>214207144
>they're dishes of peasantry.
do you realize how much time you need to prepare pierogi? what peasant would have enough time for that if all of his day was occupied with hard unpaid work for the landowner?
people would just eat the simplest and fattiest dishes possible, pierogi is literally the opposite, it's a delicate dish that requires a lot of manual labor

>>214207225
a lot of people stay there forever, not an excuse

>>214206744
I will find you and push you out of the window
>>214206914
Chłodnik is very refreshing, literally the perfect dish for a hot summer. I love it. You're just a dumb selfhater, if it was gaspacho or whatever the fuck you'd be jerking off to how simple yet good it is o algo.
>>214206995
I had your mum last week

>>214207285
why not?its a cultural phenomenon and you should take note of it.Not all people are the same.Please use some nuance in your discourse .

>>214207144
you're retarded
https://encyklopedia.org.pl/pierogi-historia-i-tajemnice-kultowego-dania/

>Początkowo pierogi były zarezerwowane dla warstw wyższych społeczeństwa, a ich forma i smak były reprezentacyjne.

it was a noble dish, it only got popularized among ordinary people after WW2

>>214205074 (OP)
Lucien Olivier is Russian, chud

>>214207322
you mean it's a cultural phenomenon that eastern European cuisine is disgusting? I agree, thankfully it's quickly fading away as young people don't eat it. They vote with their tongues and they go for a kebab or pizza rather than for a meatjelly or tripe soup

>>214205074 (OP)
not my problem as i'm southeast europe

>>214207300
gaspacho IS good because it has a lot of spices inside and simply tastes well
eastern European soups are all just tasteless slop that feels like drinking liquid fat just with different veggies (all bland btw)

>>214207039
At some point you kinda get tired of the "classically" good stuff that children love and start appreciating other stuff. At least it often seems to happen here. There's a porn metaphor in here somewhere.

>>214207300
>You're just a dumb selfhater
Thought-terminating cliche.
> if it was gaspacho or whatever the fuck you'd be jerking off to how simple yet good it is o algo.
Strawman

>>214207401
yeah, Balkan cuisine is top
>>214207430
yeah nah, I can say with 100% certainty that the vast majority of eastern European slop will never become popular again because it's just not adjusted to our current sedentary lifestyle + our exposure to cuisines of all of the world

funny how that Pole is on a mission to fight imaginary oikophobia even though he must know that everything good in eastern Europe was simply imported from somewhere else.

>>214207388
tripe soup is as strong as ever here.Do you have the brown one in poland or the yellow one?Als owe have a variant of it without the tripe but with chicken,in rest broth is the same.That is for "kids"

>>214207149
Lots of great fish stuff. My mom makes delicious inlagd strömming (no idea what you'd call that in English - it's like pickled herring but not the usual kind).

>>214207534
>brown one in poland or the yellow one?
both are, the brown one is the simple "flaki" while the yellow one "flaki in rosół (broth)"

>>214207427
put some salt and pepper on it retard.Maybe some vegetables.

>>214207534
>tripe soup is as strong as ever here
and here no one eats that
they ever stopped serving it at wedding parties (used to be obligatory) because unless there are some boomers there, no one will pick it

>>214207554
when i was little i ate some fish stuffed with rice and its own meat and peas and i did not like it however i dont know how that dish is named.

>>214207569
>pepper
we don't do this here, that wouldn't be already our cuisine but some fusion-slop. I believe it might be more common in Romania since you are located on the crossroads between eastern Europe and the Balkans but here it's just a no no.

>>214207643
just do it next time if you think a dish is bland.

>>214207739
>just do it next time if you think a dish is bland.
i will just eat kebab instead

>>214207619
Doesn't ring a bell. Fish casseroles are pretty common here, but maybe it's some le French influence.

>>214206744
>that's why no one outside eastern Europe eats it
for the 100th time - I don't care and you are retarded cattle if you do
>and easterners themselves stop eating this shit too
There are thousands of garmażerka shops in this country. There are hundreds of big ass folk style taverns standing near big roads in this country.
You keep trying to push your random complex-ridden projections as reality when they have fuck all to do with it. You are either mentally ill or you never travelled through Poland.

>>214206995
don't tell me what I like or don't like, faggot
keep your retarded projections to yourself

>>214207039
>boomer this boomer that
it has nothing to do with age

>>214207120
>This is already more like Balkan cuisine (great), not eastern European
hold the fuck up, you're not the balkanboo poster, are you? do you speak yugoslavian?

>>214207253
>what peasant would have enough time
During winter? Most of them, especially women. You might as well ask when they had time to dance and drink. Aside from some daily chores and cutting wood they had fuck all to do during cold seasons.

>>214205074 (OP)
because you are like nords. you have no soul

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>>214208047
>5 posts one after another
this butthurt lmao

i already posted a proof that pierogi were a noble dish so there's no point to discuss it further
>There are hundreds of big ass folk style taverns standing near big roads in this country.
yeah and they won't even let you in if you don't have reservation because their whole purpose is to organize weddings and other parties
also, who cares about villages, most people live in cities or move to cities, meanwhile living in a big city it is basically impossible to find Polish cuisine in Poland

>>214208115
Bulgarians are eastern euros thoughalbeit

>>214207326
Oh wow, a single vague sentence from a random article written by a nobody with no sources provided.
>after WW2
Source or gtfo.

>>214208047
>they had fuck all to do during cold seasons.
during cold seasons they barely had any food to survive and every winter ended with "przednówek" that was a time of hunger. No one would waste precious food on sophisticated delicate dishes like pierogi

>>214208178
>reee bad source i want another source quote me a 17th century peasant and noble explicitly saying that it was a rural dish!111

>>214208172
we're south europe
it may be the shit part of south europe but we have way better food than east europe

>>214208143
I don't know about Poland, but I wouldn't necessarily say that just because there aren't many polish restaurants it means that the food is bad. There's loads of countries round the world that eat loads of their own stuff all the time and it's horrible

I think it's the same kind of reason there aren't loads of English restaurants here, lots of the food we eat traditionally is easy to make so when you go out you want to have something different. A lot of euro food is pretty similar in that it's meat and a carb with some vegetables and a sauce, no need to pay someone to do that for me

>>214208291
I've been to Bulgaria fella it all seems pretty similar to me, except you had more grilled meats and pepper

I had a very nice lemony pork thing but the rest of what I ate was pretty standard eastern yuro fare

>>214208293
>but I wouldn't necessarily say that just because there aren't many polish restaurants it means that the food is bad.
it exactly means that
>There's loads of countries round the world that eat loads of their own stuff all the time and it's horrible
like?
>I think it's the same kind of reason there aren't loads of English restaurants here
English food is infamously as bad as eastern European slop, that's the only reason

>>214208172
no we aren't. we have very little in common with eastern europeans

>>214207388
>comparing tripe soup to pizza or kebab
Stop acting like you're dumber than you are. Kebab is the only thing available late at night and you can eat it on the go. Pizza doesn't make a mess and it's easier to share. Plus tripe soup is a cold season dish. I love, but I'd never order it in summer, just like I wouldn't order chłodnik in winter. None of it is about the taste. An honest comparison would be to compare the tripe soup with oh gee I dunno any foreign SOUP and not a fucking pizza. You disingenuous cretin.

>>214208293
>the food we eat traditionally is easy to make
Italian food isn't any harder to make than British or Eastern European food per se. It's just good. That's why you have an Italian restaurant on every corner in every Italian city and Italians don't eat anything else but Italian food. There are Italians who never tried a kebab or pad thai in their life not because they're racist but simply because they have no need to consume foreign food if their own is so good.
Really, there is nothing more to that. Good food = everyone eats it. Bad food = no one eats it, sometimes only looking for cheap excuses to justify it.

>>214208426
>Kebab is the only thing available late at night and you can eat it on the go.
what the fuck are you talking about, it's 5pm here and I've just returned from work, I passed like 7 kebab shops and every single of them is full of people (yes, white Poles) and I can't even count how many Indians on their little scooters with their uber backpacks I saw next to each of these kebabs which means even more people order it home.

>. Pizza doesn't make a mess and it's easier to share. Plus tripe soup is a cold season dish. I love, but I'd never order it in summer, just like I wouldn't order chłodnik in winter.

Dude, it's even hard to find a zapiekanka shop in Poland nowadays even though it was supposed to be iconic Polish fastfood. Or at least per 1 zapiekanka shop there are 20 kebabs.

>>214208349
don't know what you ate m8 but it sure as fuck wasn't bulgarian food
our food's got nothing to do with eastern europe m8, ours is closer to middle eastern

Eastern European food is grim. The best crucible for determining if your food is good or trash is cosmopolitan competition. There's a reason you can find a burrito place in Vladivostok but even finding slav cuisine in a place like New York or Toronto is a chore.

You're not 'Eastern European', you are Baltic, I am Balkan.
Our food is not the same.

>>214208359
Practically everywhere mainly last their own native cuisine on offer all the time. Plenty of places with food wat worse than in Europe, basically the whole of Africa for example and central Asia where all they eat is bread/rice and grilled meat 99% of the time

UK food is practically identical to other western euro food, go to Belgium and you won't see Belgian restaurants all over the place either

i just ate a big bowl of PILAF with pork belly meat full of grase and washed it up with 1 beer

>>214208514
>zapiekanka
we have that shit at lidl bakery and we call it mini pizza xDDDDDD

>>214208452
Italians are ignorant of non Italian food though, I met one who tried to convince me that cheddar was the orange plastic stuff you put on burgers

I'm sure they would love to eat south east Asian food because it blows European stuff out the water but they probably don't know it exists

>>214208561
bro, why are you arguing about it with me, ask your grandpa if they had nowhere to eat out back in the 1960s before arrival of Indian and Middle Eastern food. I am sure he will tell you there were plenty of British restaurants, despite the fact that obviously people would also prepare their food at home. Yet well, once ethnic food appeared, it quickly pushed native food out because...it's just fucking better, nothing more to that.

>Plenty of places with food wat worse than in Europe, basically the whole of Africa for example and central Asia where all they eat is bread/rice and grilled meat 99% of the time
It doesn't make sense to compare impoverished third world places where people simply have no choice but eat their own food vs first world where people do have choice and they pick ethnic food.

>>214207427
>gaspacho IS good because it has a lot of spices inside and simply tastes well
hahahaha you're like a walking parody dude, how fucking pretentious can you get
>Most gazpacho includes stale bread, tomato, cucumbers, bell peppers, garlic, olive oil, wine vinegar, water, and salt.[7]
if we had an identical dish you would be bitching and whining how bad and bland it is. Stale bread in a soup??? Eeeewwwww criiiinge that's so eastern european!!!
You don't give a shit about what's tasty and what's not,
>LOCAL BAD
>FOREIGN GUD
this is your entire mindset and it's pathetic.

>>214208551
This is also proof that french good is overrated trash. Everyone claims to like it but nobody actually eats it.

>>214205570
You're supposed to be stoic and hard working. I really hope you all are. Being a lazy pussy of a slav is like being a retarded chinaman or an autistic italian

>>214208655
>Italians are ignorant of non Italian food though
they can afford this ignorance because they know they simply don't lose anything, because their own food is extremely good

only nations with shitty domestic food feel an urge to "explore" foreign cuisines (which means they want to replace their own stuff with something edible)

>>214207427
>eastern European soups are all just tasteless slop that feels like drinking liquid fat just with different veggies (all bland btw)
>ogórkowa
>bland
Hate it all you want, but it's very sour and salty. It literally can't be bland.

>>214208710
>muh oikophobia

obsessed

>>214205074 (OP)
BEHOLD the pinnacle of eastern euro cuisine

>>214208802
Hungary is obviously not eastern European in this sense, your cuisine (as well as your civilization) is visibly different.

>>214208688
Well I have the choice to eat polish food sometimes and I do eat it, just like you probably eat English stuff sometimes because everyone likes variety

Noone is going to argue that European stuff is the best on earth, but there are things about it that are appealing. Theres just no point going to a restaurant to eat a sausage

>>214207604
>and here no one eats that
I eat that and I know plenty of people who eat that.
>they ever stopped serving it at wedding parties (used to be obligatory)
Never heard of it being obligatory. Where are you from?

>>214205074 (OP)
>>214205489
>>214205570
And yet, I've seen tons of Polish people commenting on social media that their food is better than Spanish food.

>>214208858
I could eat english meat pies on a daily basis, fuck variety
>>214208829
what is csirkepaprikás then? I was being serious btw, it's a great dish, you should try it

This Polish guy despises his own culture and probably wishes German soldiers raped his female family members during the war

>>214208918
>what is csirkepaprikás then?
Hungarian civilization. It cannot be easily compared to anything around it's neither eastern European nor Balkan

>>214208871
>Never heard of it being obligatory. Where are you from?
Poland B.
It was always flaki or rosół here. When I was young and boomers were still the majority of people at wedding parties, the guests would choose flaki/rosół like 50/50. Nowadays it's like 5/95. Rosół is more edible at least.

>>214208983
this i cooked 1 or 2 months ago,what ethnicity is this food ?I ate it for 20 years and is far from bland.

>>214208895
most people who write this are boomers who might genuinely believe it
but once they die out native Polish cuisine will also disappear

>>214205570
you guys are authentic hardasses who have grit and are good at science and math and aren't afraid to be racist

>>214205489
that is literally nordix cope
get your own fucking cope you thief

>>214208944
>This Polish guy despises his own culture
sorry, im not going to eat shit just for patriotic reasons

>>214209052
if it cannot be classified as eastern European or Balkan then it's simply Hungarian

>>214209105
I'll eat it for you then because it's good

>>214209279
then why are there 70x more Mexican restaurants in Chicago than Polish even in "Polish" neighborhoods?

>>214208802
looks indian

>>214209336
it does not have the indian taste,its just paprikas.

>>214208918
Enlightened pastry enjoyer, may your gut swell large

>>214208143
>spam a dozen of retarded posts
>get a response to each one
>le BUTTHURT xD
you're spamming these threads daily, so you're the (You)-starved autist here
>i already posted a proof that pierogi were a noble dish so there's no point to discuss it further
>proof
It's a single sentence from a random article with 0 sources. Yes, there is a point to discuss it further.
Even if it was a noble dish your claim about pierogi becoming popular only after WW2 is something you took completely out of your ass, it's not even in the article. Prove it or you're making shit up.
>yeah and they won't even let you in if you don't have reservation because their whole purpose is to organize weddings and other parties
Simply wrong. They're restaurants, I've been to many of them, and they're full of people. Once again you're making shit up.
>also, who cares about villages, most people live in cities
>Mieszkańcy wsi: Około 15,3-15,4 miliona osób (ok. 40% ludności).
>Mieszkańcy miast: Około 23,1 miliona osób (ok. 60% ludności).
40% of a 37 mil country is not something to be ignored, plus as I said these taverns are usually by the road near cities, so they do get clients from there. So this isn't even a relevant argument, no idea why you'd mention villages and cities.
>living in a big city it is basically impossible to find Polish cuisine in Poland
Yet again, wrong. Let's take Warsaw as an example - there's several Zapiecek restaurants in the city, some of them pretty much in the city center, and getting inside is difficult because there are lines of people waiting to get a table. So it's very popular.
Literally nothing you say is true. You just keep making up random nonsense and try to project your delusions onto reality.

>>214209313
There are plenty. Actually quite evenly matched with Mexican

>>214208983
I'm not sure if that's true
>>214209336
what part of it looks indian? does it resemble the famous "indian" dish called butter chicken?
>>214209424
it will most likely but it's worth it

>>214208452
>There are Italians who never tried a kebab or pad thai in their life
And you find it admirable? That's kind of embarrassing. It's a short life, one should try as many dishes as possible.

>>214209517
>Yet again, wrong. Let's take Warsaw as an example - there's several Zapiecek restaurants in the city, some of them pretty much in the city center, and getting inside is difficult because there are lines of people waiting to get a table. So it's very popular.
I knew that you would bring this one. Do you realize Zapiecek serves mostly for foreign tourists and its only located in the old town and other tourist places? No one will drive from the suburb to the centre to eat something that barely even resembles traditional Polish kitchen because that would be inedible for Americans or Japanese

>>214209591
>I'm not sure if that's true
it is, believe me, i did meticulous research on that including cuisine, architecture, lifestyle and many other aspects

>>214209652
no, it simply means their cuisine is good so they don't need anything else
same like a westerner doesn't need to move to a thirdie country to know that his country is better to live than the said thirdie country

>>214208514
>Or at least per 1 zapiekanka shop there are 20 kebabs.
Correct, because, as I said, kebab shops work till late at night, and zapiekanka shops don't.
Yes, of course people eat it during the day too, they got used to it. It's served fast and you can hold it with one hand, unlike most of our dishes.
But compare pączki. Every city in Poland has a shop with pączki, nowadays they got more hipsterish and are served with 9246781 different fillings. And they are popular. That's much more comparable to kebab than a fucking tripe soup, although it's a sweet treat so it's not the same category either.
We simply don't have an equivalent of kebab, hence it's popularity. It filled an empty niche, and it's not really about the taste.

>>214209518
zoom in and then compare
>>214209927
pączki isn't a polish dish, it's a straight out German import
in western Europe no one has an idea that Poles eat it, everyone calls it just "berliners"

>>214209927
>Correct, because, as I said, kebab shops work till late at night, and zapiekanka shops don't.
what a retarded argument, I see kebab shops full of people all day long ,not at night
actually most kebab shops near me close before 23

>>214209927
>We simply don't have an equivalent of kebab, hence it's popularity. It filled an empty niche, and it's not really about the taste.
yes we do and that's what zapiekanka was supposed to be
but for some reason people still prefer kebab than a baguette (french) with cheese and mushrooms (wonder why)

>Pljeskavica is a Serbian grilled dish consisting of a mixture of spiced minced pork, beef and lamb meat

You need more?

>>214210216
Fries are Belgian