Thread 50191295

Welcome to MILGRAM!

>TL;DR
Anime Music Video project where us, the viewers, vote on the characters' fate and how the plot progresses.

>What is this shit?
MILGRAM is a Japanese mixed-media music project by DECO*27 and Takuya Yamanaka. It's a prison-based psychological experiment with 10 "murderers", where the audience (you) acts as the jury through the warden Es. You listen to music videos (trials) made for each prisoner, read the supplementary materials, and decide whether they can be forgiven for their crime (INNOCENT or GUILTY).

>Where to start?
It's all free on youtube and the total length is between 1 and 2 hours.
Go to https://www.youtube.com/@MilgramOfficial and watch the videos from oldest to newest.
You can ignore covers and livestreams.
Supplemental material, such as pre-Trial interviews between Es (your character) and the prisoner, has fully subbed TLs on youtube, just look it up.
Watch out for spoilers!

>How do I vote?
After a Trial drops, visit https://milgram.jp/judge where global voting for the prisoner's verdict will be open for you to vote ONCE A DAY for a rather long period of time

>Where are we now?
We're currently on the third round of Trials, with the trial MV for the third prisoner, Mu, being released just today.

Muu did nothing wrong, you go queen

>>50192087
Guilty or Innocent aside, Mu was written really well.
A felshed out queen bee, she had the condescension to look down on others like Rei, but will care and cry for others like Haruka. I love the meta angle, they're taking with the third trials too.

That said, I need to watch her interrogation before I make my final judgement (although I found not voting to be the best milgram strategy theoretically)

Btw, do we have any updates on the time shenanigans within milgram yet?

>>50193627
Might be a headcanon but I don't really think she was a queen bee, the classmates were just intimidated by her appearance but once she broke down they jumped on the opportunity to bully her instead.
In the 3rd trial she leans onto that persona to become the villain, shown by her stabbing Rei repeatedly instead of just once like in the other videos and explicitly calling herself a bad girl/villain, since she wants to sing about Haruka.

By interrogation do you mean the twitter cards or the voice drama? The latter are usually put on youtube as soon as they are available, this one is great, her VA really did a great job I loved the part where she ends up crying together with Es

>>50191295 (OP)
Nobody posted the MV yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiP2kYjd9H4

Our lovely princess Muu is so beautiful

>>50195177
I'm surprised her voice drama didn't have her complain at all about the spike veil and being forced to stand tiptoe.

Hello, OP here
Glad to finally get a thread going for Milgram, yay!
There is no proper place to discuss, not one that I found one. Twitter has tons of good fanart but the amount of retards is equal to the genius interpreters. Someone actually predicted Rei slamming Mu with the chair

>>50193627
>>50194465
I think you're both right, just with different words.
Also, Mu Voice Drama was indeed super good. I love her VA too. I'll update the OP with supplemental links if we find good traction.
There's the twitter questions, the Voice Dramas, the portal/gate dialouges, anything else I'm missing? the rumored LNs I have no idea what they do aside from being another MILGRAM iteration iirc
Damn, this is kinda fun, might put a proper viewing guide in a Rentry or something

>>50194580
I assumed newcomers will go the YT channel link I put and start from he beginning, and the veterans will have already watched it, but including it is better ig, yeah

>>50200347
She does complain about the voice condemning her, so it might be a physical representation of that? Milgram goes vague about the restraints and how the prisoners interact and act usually.

Link tot he Voice Drama in case anyone wants to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi0bmAPb7M8

>>50200423
Danbooru has some great stuff too
while I won't say I'm that crazy about Mu, she's def a fun chara.

Regarding time shenanigans, this pic is supposedly their birthdays (up) and how old they say they are (down)

According to each, from left to right, the current date for them should be: 2014, 2019. 2017, 2022
give or take a year to accoutn for uncalculated months

What do you guys think this implies? Is Milgram a simulation? Purgatory?

so what was with haruka's story, kinda never got it, got too jealous of his sister and killed her? also lots of cute muu this time

>>50200347
>>50200423
Kotoko mentions her restraints, and Amane makes fun of her muzzle even, so they are definitely real.

>>50200813
I suggest reading his official record that they showed at the end of his death video https://milgram.fandom.com/wiki/Sakurai_Haruka
That said, it's basically:
>has big development problems
>parents go from frustrated to disnterested\
>he starts killing small animals so much until he gets caught
>actually euphoric his parents had to be dragged for his sake
>go out right after and kill a random kid at a festival

the murder of the kid leaves him super distraught and horrified, actually realizing what he's done. To quote from the report "he came to strangling another child's neck" or something. Some people say it's him choking himself. Or it's his little sister, but I can't remember where mentions her if he does at all.

>>50201186
oh I'm well aware they're real, but I was commenting on the fact the border between the physical and mental gets blurred in milgram apparently or something, idk

>>50201730
wow i did not know they released the record of ded characters dear god haruka is dangerous

>>50201730
I blame Mana Inoue's directing for making his first trial video so vague and abstract to the point of uselessness when it came to figuring out what actually happened. With Yuno the visuals are all focused on her pregnancy and let the lyrics tell her feelings instead. Haruka's symbolism is all over the place and it's hard to make out what anything is even supposed to mean beyond his stunted development.

>>50201186
Muu is known for complaining about everything that happens to her, which is why it's weird that she doesn't mention it at all herself. Fuuta is like that too, and he mentioned how his eye was feeling in his.

>>50203029
valid take.
His first trial was very abstract, yes. But I think it's a good trial overall.
It allowed people to guess he killed a small child during a fit or something and that he's emotionally retarded, with the specifics coming to light more with his 2nd MV. He might've gotten another inno verdict had his ego not inflated.

I like the fact that some trials you'd have to be an ameba to not get like Yuno's and Mikoto, and others are super open to interpretation like Haruka and Amane. It makes to an interesting experience imo. Some people think that this causes the voting to be askew or go off the rails, but the way Milgram is designed, any verdict we get will turn into a shitshow imo.

The only valid option in reality is to not vote, I think.

>>50201782
Dead characters don't get a song but they got a little video with their last moments instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DKqq4eP20s

>>50203115
Haruka's was minimalist but I can't wait to see Shidou's because it's not clear how Amane managed to kill him. I'd guess poison but that might be too slow to watch play out, I think.

>>50193627
I don't know when it happened because Muu certainly wasn't near the top of my list initially, but she somehow became my favorite character. Like you said, she's really well written. She's a surprisingly complex character. It probably helped that she consistently had the best songs. After Pain and It's Not My Fault were incredible but I was disappointed by Pain. Maybe I had my expectations set too high after how good her first two songs were.

>>50201186
Imagine being the strongest female prisoner by far now reduced to this state. Even the little girl can tease her without fear. Kotoko must be hysterical right now.

>>50204689
Amane is vicious in the way that only children can be. And I've waited over five years for Kotoko to be brought this low. It's satisfying.

>>50204676
Because she's a realistically spoiled brat. She's got a lot of the signs of someone with covert narcissism, and Yamanaka has experience with writing about the more grandiose versions before her. It doesn't hurt either that Arisa Kori is a godtier vocalist able to put a lot of nuance into her singing because of her insane vocal control. I'd argue she's probably one of Milgram's best alongside Arthur Lounsbery.
>After Pain and It's Not My Fault were incredible but I was disappointed by Pain
Probably because Pain is less of a song and more of an acting performance. There's a lot more sing-talking and speaking in Pain than her first two songs, plus it just straight up recycles After Pain in the final part. It's great when paired with the video, but hard to put on as a music track only.

>>50204746
>plus it just straight up recycles After Pain in the final part
I actually thought that part was genius. Pain ends with After Pain.

i forgive

>>50204746
I agree with the other anon that replied to you, the song isn't as catchy as the other two but the after pain chorus is absolute genius.

>>50204689
I wonder how Mahiru's video will show Kotoko. Shame it'll take 1yr+ for her third trial song, she is one of my favorite characters. Her dissing everyone in Deep Cover is hilarious (and the song is great as well)

people are saying its not my fault is from rei's perspective, but shouldnt milgram be only showing muu's?

Hello, OP here again, thanks for participating in the thread! It's turning out real good

>>50205579
The final part in Pain when After Pain kicks in and she looks at us while the screen cracks with every "itai" was super fucking good, probably replayed it a hundred times. Only wish the ending was repeated once cause it felt sort of abrupt in that final ending tone.

Futa does the same with sampling older songs, and while it's good thematically and fun to see, it doesn't hit that well. Half cause I thought, personally, the song wasn't that catchy, and half because there's nothing in the song we haven't already observed to death. Futa's arc was obvious to anyone who saw the milgram gate convos so I assume that's another reason it didn't stick the landing? anyone got other opinions?

>>50204689
Very fucking deserved. She's still a great character and would've nabbed a perfect 3 inno votes if she wasn't absolutely deranged, and, like other people pointed out, obsessed with punishing rather than avenging. Pretty sure we're gonna get something about her background in T3 in 2033

>>50205650
I actually hope the next two vidoes (Mahiru and Shidou's death records) don't take long on account of not having that much to do. There is no reason to delay them aside from waiting for the latest video to die down.
if I have to predict:
>Mahiru's is probably in bed taking her last breaths with Yuno by her side
>Shidou maybe slumped and dying from Amane's poison while she taunts with Futa hovering behind her or closing his eyes and praying. If they wanted to go full metal, they can have it be a depressing struggle as a bound shidou gets beaten to death by Amane and Futa

>>50205963
Highly doubt it. It HELPS you see Rei's PoV, but Mu is fully aware of herself at this point and has stopped pretending to be a complete victim. It's just the same scenario from different angles, rashoumon style. AP shows her victim side, INMF shows her queen bee side, and Pain shows her genuine emotion and confusion at not understanding why all of this happened

>>50206528
I fucking spoilered that spoiler wth????

I haven't noticed before, but isn't Muu the prettiest girl in Milgram?

>>50207034
She's the one who gets called pretty and attractive as a descriptor the most, yeah. I don't think even Yuno or Kotoko get hit with it as often.

>>50207105
I don't just mean being described as pretty in-universe, but based on actual character designs, Muu is the prettiest girl.
>Yuno or Kotoko
I'd put Mahiru second. Definitely over Kotoko at least.

>>50206528
When Milgram first came out and introduced the characters through their voice lines and the abundant timeline conversations, Kotoko was the only one who immediately felt unlikable while the rest were unremarkable to me. She remarks both in her sample voice lines and to Shidou in an early conversation that being in Milgram is actually "convenient" for her, but it's convenient in a way that's different from the way Shidou sees it, as he wants to be killed by Milgram instead.
I always took that and her offer of working together as her wanting to go after the other prisoners from the get-go. And around the time the first novel got announced, I put together that Kotoko saying she would become Es's fangs meant she would go after the guilty prisoners for Es due to her interrogation answers.
Basically if you kept a negative impression against her, you were able to peg her from the start. But she along with Muu was probably one of the most popular and liked prisoners throughout trial one and most of trial two, so her true intentions went under the radar for the majority. It's funny that people are finally seeing her for what she is now.

>>50206528
I don't think Fuuta was involved in Shidou's murder. Despite being part of her cult he seemed sane enough in his song/voice drama to know that murder is bad. My guess is that Amane stabbed him and he just let it happen since he wasn't going to hurt children and wanted to die anyways. Also Jackalope would 100% taunt Es if Fuuta was there.
I wonder how they'll make the videos to not make amane and mikoto overwhelmingly guilty too, that'll be interesting assuming Es doesn't ignore our voice and does what he wants for the final trial

>>50207811
Fuuta says in his interrogation that he was aware of what Amane was planning to do, but did nothing to stop it because he accepted her position. Because of that, he believes he's complicit in Shidou's death.
How Shidou died is a mystery though. In the first trial he wanted to die, and he especially wanted Es to kill him because he wanted to be told what he did was unforgivable from a child specifically. So you'd think that means he'd be okay with Amane trying to kill him, but then in the second trial he immediately tells Amane that he won't let her throw a tantrum over his actions and teach her that she was in the wrong. He makes it sound like he'd put up a resistance since people's lives are in his hands now. So I now think Amane had to truly catch him off guard to kill him off, either by quickly killing him in his sleep or poisoning him in secret.

>>50207811
>mikoto
You mean Kotoko?

>>50208066
Yes, I had a brainfart

Random note but I think the only fumble milgram had was making Yuno's abortion accidental. The whole crime depends on how much agency/responsibility falls on her. Making it an unintentional miscarriage removes all that

>>50207034
bold word when Mahiru mogs her in looks and personality. but ig Muu is luckier, fml

>>50207950
Shidou's T2 makes it clear he now wants to live in order to protect and save what he can again, not that lucky in that regard. Amane either lured him into a trap and killed him like she killed her mom, or poison. Either way, AMANE SWEEEEEEEPPP

>>50207431
Yeah, something was off about her from the start. It was obvious she wasn't just some random justice junkie. But knowing milgram, they'll probably give a meta reason for fans to vote her inno (might not help at this point though).

>>50200813
>lots of cute muu this time
And her cute feet

What the fuck was she doing?

>>50210275
>lol you are a loser get it? already told you so lol

>>50210275
>tiktok dances over her victim to establish dominance
>gets btfoed

more common than you think

>>50204710
In an alternate timeline where Amane wasn't voted innocent in T2, we could've had shidou kill Kotoko as a precaution
>"Give me the chance to extract the fang"
He was about to show us why he was called Kirisaki lmao

>>50210115
i thought yuno climbed up that stairs cause she wanted to kill herself and her baby but jsut fainted instead

>>50210115
Not really. The fumble was including her from the start, because the idea of abortion being a "murder" in the first place is still heavily debated even now. As soon as she was included, it was conclusively decided by Milgram's system that the "life" inside of her was "killed", it effectively concluded that abortion is murder, no two ways about it, and Yuno is the one who caused it to happen, intentionally or not. If people aren't able to accept that premise, then they wouldn't be willing to look past even the surface of her case.
Something that people theorized early on was that the prisoners' murders were either intentional or unintentional, and they're paired off that way as well. The ones who kill with their own hands are judged for their culpability as much as the ones whose actions led to someone's death. They didn't have to intend to kill someone to be viewed as responsible for it.
That's why Yuno's "murder" being a miscarriage is no different from Futa's "murder" being his doxing of the middle schooler or Mahiru/Kazui apparently driving their lovers to suicide. Agency doesn't matter when they're still considered the main trigger that led to a death. I think this is even hinted at by the way they're arranged in akka's first anniversary drawing. I'm willing to bet Kotoko's being judged not for her vigilantism victims but rather because she somehow accidentally ended up getting the girl who hangs around her killed. Whereas Mikoto is the one who directly committed his murder, with John's existence trying to muddle his culpability.

>>50210839
I'm glad she didn't die, Kotoko's songs are bangers and her 3rd trial should be the amazing with how she has been after the guilty vote.

>>50212792
>but rather because she somehow accidentally ended up getting the girl who hangs around her killed
I don't think she ever cared about the kid, in the videos she never actually pays attention to her, but it'd be interesting if her death is what caused Kotoko's sense of justice to go bonkers

>>50212863
I think she cared more about the kid than she did the guys that she beat to death. But even if she didn't, I don't know if that's required to be in Milgram, since it doesn't look like Mikoto's victim matters at all to him. There's also the voice line that she got in the voice previews for the second trial that sounds suspiciously like she's speaking to someone she thinks needs her version of justice for protection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1U1KyhoBrw
>From the beginning I've never asked for your understanding! My actions, one by one, are bringing earth closer to peace. Useless weaklings should just shut up and let me protect them!
When held up against all the other voice lines in the video, it sounds like they're all lines that were said towards their murder victims before their murder. With the possible exception of Yuno, but her case has always been the most abnormal.
In contrast, the first voice trailer video seems to be made up of lines from after their murders, even the more frantic sounding ones like Amane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDRCRoS4C8s

>>50212792
this image always takes me out because what is this group that is posing like the fucking espadas lmaoooo

>>50212792
Regarding what milgram considers a crime, they're stretching it with the "indirectly killed" angle, but I believe it makes the group more interesting overall. That said, there's a hugeeeeee difference between accidentally falling and losing your fetus, and conning a woman because you can't admit you're gay and probably ruining her life or something and doxxing a middle schooler and bullying her so fucking bad she kills herself over fuck all pitiful online attention. Mind you, Futa went after the petty ones because actual SJW wouldn't have gotten him the traction he wanted

>>50211133
Now that you mention it, could I be mistaken? I originally believed she did try to kill herself, but ended up falling from feeling sick and losing the baby accidentally, but was the abortion a result of the failed suicide attempt itself?.

from her report:
What little warmth is left in her body, she feels being robbed away, She can sense her body getting even colder.
It is not hard to imagine what her path will look like, that society will devour her whole and tear her apart.
With her thoughts in disarray, Yuno loses conciousness and falls down a flight of stairs.
The mother survives, and the new life is lost.
seems like she was physically unwell and fell down...?

>>50213168
The girl is probably her mine canary.
She was saved by kotoko, and obviously idolized her, but even that vision was shattered when she saw how vicious kotoko became, a vigilante high of her own justice.
I'm interested in seeing where they take her character from here.
>Innocent Verdict
another rampage and another round of dead prisoners, unless they actually kill her as a group self-defense effort
>Guilty Verdict
I have no idea, mind break?

funny enough, I remember from the milgram portal conversations, she wanted some other prisoner to teach her while they were waiting (Shidou? Kazui?) but finds their coddling of her annoying, and she eventually goes to kotoko, with both of them approving of the other's mindset lmaooo

>>50214285
meant amane in the last sentence there

>>50213905
She was going to jump over the railing but fainted at the last moment and fell backwards down the stairs, which killed the baby but "saved" her life.

>>50214285
I don't think there will be much after the 3rd trial, if I had to guess it's going to be an Es song and maybe a group song to conclude the project.

>>50214589
ok so my understanding correct. Yeah, only fumble imo.

>>50214599
I actually never thought what'll come after T3.
Thinking about it, there'll def be some sort of event, one last vote or participation by the viewers. It'd be very lame to end this on a regular report. There's def some twist at the end, like how Es is the final prisoner or something? spin off bait?

>>50214681
They have teased a few things such as the ages not aligning, Es being a prisoner himself and dismantling the Milgram system.
If they continue the project I doubt it'll be with the current cast though, but it'd be nice to see more of them after the 3rd trials are done.

>>50214758
my best guess is that milgram is a simulation
as for what happens after the third trial, yeah, they'll def change the cast (they're already experimenting with the LNs being a different set of prisoners) + didn't jackalope say they've already repeated the experiment so many times and this was the best batch so far?

One thing they can do once the Es fuckery clears up, maybe make one of the current cast the next warden or something?

Who is this chick, like a Marika ripoff?

>>50214285
>unless they actually kill her as a group self-defense effort
Kazui+Mikoto can kill her. Problem is, Mikoto is a wild card. It's hard to predict what he's going to do. Who knows, maybe he'll even help Kotoko.
>Guilty Verdict
I'm pretty sure a guilty verdict in the third trial means execution.

>>50201186
>grrrr...bark bark bark!

>>50218873
There's only one way for her to get back on top

>>50214806
I think the novels hinted that the current prison with the music video trials is the latest iteration of Milgram. Also this is a project that spanned multiple years with a decent sized cast, I feel like if any of the prisoners end up as a warden it'll be a way to cap off the ending, but we won't get into a whole new cast for the next experiment. Anything after this will probably just be more novels or manga. I don't know if this could be popular enough to be worked into an anime, but because interaction is a huge part of Milgram, I kind of doubt it.

>>50219253
hmmmm it's an intersting idea actually
if they greenlight an anime, they can redo the whole voting process so we get different results

>>50215926
Kazui is more of a wild card than Mikoto at this point. I don't think Mikoto would ever help Kotoko because he's not violently insane, he just has his priority of keeping himself safe. Due to that I think he would only see Kotoko as a threat and would always suspect her of betraying him in any deal she offers.
Kazui meanwhile doesn't really do what people think or he even says he would. He says he wants to prevent violence from happening to the prisoners in Milgram, and even told Kotoko this, but his cell was next to Mahiru's, and he apparently didn't do anything to stop Kotoko from beating her while he helped Fuuta. Even Jackalope pointed out how weird it was. Then Amane was somehow able to kill off Shidou even though Kazui is also right next to her cell and could've kept an eye on her. Feels like there's something off with him entirely.

>>50221918
>he apparently didn't do anything to stop Kotoko from beating her while he helped Fuuta
because he is a big homo

>>50224336
He should've saved his gay lover from the twelve-year-old then.

>>50225060
>>50224336
only has eyes for college kids, it seems
I'm kinda excited to see where this doomed yaoi old man will go
but like this anon >>50221918 said, we're still missing a crucial piece of info imo. or more like, next trial will show his crime without the romanticization, i feel.

>>50215926
I think it's two guilty verdicts that result in an execution, not the third one specifically.
Futa says in his song that he has one more chance and he's out, but I could easily be wrong.
another thoery is their fate is whatever will happen when milgram spits them back out

>>50225420
I've thought this since near the beginning of Milgram simply because of how oppressive the setting felt, but I wonder if they even could get out. Some of the prisoners even felt content to stay in the previous trials. And in the novels, while Torch was the only one who was forgiven in the end, he became the new warden in another experiment.
It seems at least partially based on the French play "No Exit", and I think that one of the phrases they've put out in the ciphers actually does quote the play's infamous "L'enfer, c'est les autres" or "Hell is other people". That's why some people think it's a purgatory, but I think it could still be a simulation if the prisoners are just based off data rather than people experiencing it indefinitely.

Pain just hit 1 million views a week after its release. The Appare March, which came out over 2 months ago, hasn't even reached that milestone yet. Muu...is powerful.

>>50230028
As expected of our innocent queen
Also Appare March kind of sucks

>>50230127
*our innocent princess

>>50230028
Muu's songs always get popular super fast. I'm not sure if it's because her character itself is popular or because Arisa Kori sings the song so well, but either way it's nice.

>>50230028
was gonna bring this up at one point
This is mainly cause The Appare March sucks, since even Yuno's Life reached 1M pretty easily

TAM suffers from being frankestiened from The Purge March and Futa's earlier style, which is great thematically, but doesn't sound that great. The song as a whole is not that catchy too, while Pain sampled Mu's songs which were already great. Futa's VA is very good, though. it has to be said

Also, the MV itself gives us nothing to work with. The reveal about Futa's indoctrination was already done and seeing him struggle with guilt isn't anything new, so it feels stale

All that said, if we don't have the lows, we can't have the highs, so I'm not particularly bothered about it

>>50231187
>even Yuno's Life reached 1M pretty easily
Didn't it take like a month? To put Muu's power into perspective, Life is currently sitting at 1.5 million views after a little under 4.5 months. Let's see how long it takes Pain to reach 1.5 million views. I bet it'll be less than a month.

>>50231223
Mu is def the more popular one, but Yuno's songs are usually sleeper hits. I always find myself appreciating them more after coming back to them later

it is also funny to me that amane's TPM exceeded 11M views, beating Mikoto's thirsty legions

>>50231275
Yuno's not that great to me. Umbilical was the only Milgram song that I outright disliked, and while TearDrop was good Life is mostly carried by its chorus and instrumental arrangement.
Her covers are also hit-or-miss. Sticky Bug turned out okay, Vampire had a wack composition that turned a lot of people off, and Rabbit Hole is decent.

>>50231342
teardrop and muu's song are my fav milgram songs, even if pain isn't as good when i first heard it, the more i listened to it the more i liked it. mahiru is real good too, crazy how catchy the chorus of i love you is, too bad we aint getting more songs from her

>>50231342
ehh, just a difference in taste, cool cool
Life is great because, yes, the arangement is very good, but I also love to think that Yuno adapts Mahiru's sing-speak style from ILY as an homage. I don't listen to covers much, but her vampire cover was really good iirc

>>50231455
mappi..... ;-;
her songs were great unironically because it was her singing

I was looking at the most popular songs and it's crazy that both of Haruka's songs are so high, I never though they were particularly catchy.
Also damn Mu's first two songs are only behind Purge March, MeMe and Undercover.

>>50232278
privilege of being prisoner 001
everyone is starved for content when the season starts, they spam his songs ig not this time lol
Mu has a very good VA and genuinely good songs. Musically, she's maybe the best of the bunch in regards to pop(ular) appeal, so it makes sense she's the most consistently listened to.
Purge March was a good af song plus a huge ass revelation about Amane since her first MV wasn't that clear on her crime (and ig the gap moe plays a huge part here)
MeMe got popular on tiktok, with a huge chunk of voters logging in to vote Mikoto innocent just for finding him hot without watching the rest of milgram even. I still remember the edits on my feed lmao. You never know what'll hit. he also got popular with the mentally ill, go figure

>>50232370
purge march also had very very good animation too, so it prob contributed to the popularity

>>50232370
MeMe sucks, Double is leagues above with catchiness and kinography, suprised its not more popular than MeMe

>>50232278
All Knowing And All Agony isn't great but Haruka's "ahaha" in Weakness was raw and visceral.

I'm more surprised that Kotoko is near the bottom of views for both of her songs, I couldn't stop listening to Harrow and Deep Cover when they came out.

can you beat kotoko in a fight?

>>50236196
Harrow was basically exactly the song that was advertised when the prisoners' song trailer first came out. There was nothing really unique about it; it was just a straightforward rock song. It also followed after Mikoto's, which was also completely different from what was teased in addition to the TikTok popularity. He was the first prisoner to reach 1 million views in a single weekend.
Deep Cover is a bit better because there's more variance in the song, but the best part is probably the ending and that's a bit too quick. Her singing is also more guttural there, too.

>>50212792
It's funny seeing Fuuta trying to look all intimidating and aggressive when he's the softest of the guys while Mikoto is in the back with a harmless smile looking like a nondescript background character when he's arguably the most dangerous prisoner.

>>50231455
Mahiru and Fuuta's first trial songs are probably my favorites. They're both well sung and have good musical arrangements overall so I found myself putting them on repeat a lot. So it's really bumming me out that Mahiru won't get another song this time.

>>50203079
>The only valid option in reality is to not vote
That was my strategy from the start. I never voted. Makes me wonder if I could've swung Amane's verdict to guilty in trial 2, putting her in bondage and saving Shidou and Mahiru.
>>50210839
I don't think Shidou would've gone as far as killing her. It seems inconsistent with his character arc. But we may have seen the good doctor's brutal side for the first time after only seeing his gentle side.

>>50241709
her face looks goofy here

I just noticed that at 2:08 in undercover it shows the last? moments of each prisoner, with the silhouette of the dead ones being excluded in the Your (Curtain) Call version
https://youtu.be/CZn-dx4O4gA?t=128
https://youtu.be/fl4p-EfHOo0?t=128
In order I think they are Haruka, Kotoko, Yuno, Mikoto, Fuuta, Amane, Muu, Shidou, Kazui and Mahiru

>>50244003
It is an edit, after all.

waagh

>>50232944
MeMe went viral through other people on TikTok and Double didn't, that's all there is to it. Sometimes it just comes down to how other people share it. Like how Rabbit Hole is Deco*27's most popular song ever largely because an artist made a viral TikTok animation for it.

>>50232870
Purge March had really good direction over animation. I think All Knowing All Agony had slightly better animation especially because of how mindful they had to be with the shots with liquid, but Amane's video has more interesting storyboard cuts and timing that make good use of the camera and just has a lot more memorable moments throughout the video.

>>50256541
Man, going back to see these videos, we've come a long way. They're really great pieces

>>50249341
>>50236843
>>50232944
MeMe walked so double could run.
Both are super great, and while double is catchier, I find myself listening to MeMe more often. The swing between the hard and soft vocals in both songs is very fun. Really made Mikoto grwo on me.
Speaking of which, it's funny how there was ever any doubt whether Mikoto had MPD or not. It was very fucking obvious in hindsight.

>>50236843
It's fascinating to see how meta voting has affected the project.
No one thought Amane was a sinner per se, yet they voted her guilty as to not affirm her brainwashing (lots of good that did)
People voted Shidou innocent so he could keep looking after the injured (again, lots of good that did)
There was some japanese woman out on a rampage online to get people to vote Kazui guilty in T2 (once more, lots of good that did)
and it's funny to me how Mikto still nabbed a guilty vote in T1 despite the extreme flood of thirsty yumes

Man, the music is really good, even Futa's T3 song is great upon a relisten. It's just the weird font and lack of a cool MV that shackels it down

>>50247272
Mappi...I could've saved her

>>50260199
You casual reminder she wished Kotoko happy birthday and forgave her......

This has been your PSA to vote that rabid dog guilty now more than ever

>>50260738
this, that rabid dog must go

>>50256882
>Man, going back to see these videos, we've come a long way.
Agreed, though I do like that Rozuki was the key animator for Appare March again, since she animated his first trial video as well. She really loves the younger Milgram boys, it's cute.
>No one thought Amane was a sinner per se, yet they voted her guilty as to not affirm her brainwashing
I remember when Amane's first song came out, she had the highest forgive/condemn ratio, about 80% of the votes forgave her. Probably because she was obviously a kid in an abusive cult situation. But over time, people reached the wrong conclusion that to break her cult mentality they had to tell her she was wrong, when this is known to be the opposite of what to do when trying to get someone to make the choice to walk away from a cult. Thus she was voted guilty, and she doubled down on her beliefs.
There were a lot of other voting patterns that happened over the years as well, like the Kazui guilty shrine or the "Mahiru innocent/Shidou guilty" thing, but those were all valid voting patterns according to the creators, who only interfered with the T1 Fuuta innocent vote botting. They said it's completely valid to tell other people how you want them to vote, even broadly, but only automated methods that skew the results are no good. And I agree on that, because ultimately people can vote for whatever reasons they want, even just that someone else wanted them to. The entire point is that the system itself is only meant to make them suffer.

>>50264275
I mean Jackalope repeatedly says that, botting just goes against the spirit of the project.
That said I think I enjoy the current state of the 3rd trial, I can't wait to see what happens afterwards. It'd be cool if Es dismantles the system.

>>50264349
Yes, Jackalope acts as an author avatar for Yamanaka as the series goes on. The botting situation was just the only time they interfered and made an official statement once they removed the botted votes because that was also the only time that something actually went against the spirit of the project. No one really needs any deep or thoughtful reasoning to cast a vote, and even simple or shallow reasons are valid, like people sending lots of others to cast votes a certain way. Yamanaka and Deco*27 don't care why people are directed to vote as they do, they're more interested in seeing how the masses respond to what they put out.
It's why I found people's indignation to the whole "Shidou/Mahiru vote bribing incident" or the "daily Kazui guilty vote shrine" to be so funny; there was nothing wrong with those votes at all, and so there was no need for the creators to address it like the people whining about it wanted them to. It was Milgram's popularity based system functioning as intended the entire time.

>>50264275
>>50264349
Yeah, even if you think their opinion is retarded, I prefer people voting off whatever but genuinely. Really brings out the social experiment side of the whole thing.
I feel like Mahiru getting a guilty verdict in T1 is the opposite of Mu. Lots of people sensed that Mu was a bitch underneath but still chose to forgive her. Mahiru was very obviously a good person (from what we know so far) but people ASSUMED she's hiding some twisted side and went all out.
HUMANS ARE SO STUPID. FUCK I LOVE MILGRAM t. jackalope

I wonder what options are left for Amane now...

>>50265177
she must die

>>50265189
>>50261678
these replies reminded me of this convo between them lmaooo

>>50264707
I agree with this. While it's interesting to think of the ideal world where everyone voted "correctly" and we got the "best" case scenario (assuming such a thing was ever possible in the first place which is highly unlikely), Milgram is inherently designed to be unfair. If it was a sensible system which was capable of making the "correct" choices, it wouldn't be Milgram.

>>50230028
Appare March has finally reached 1 million views. Meanwhile, Pain is well over 1.2 million views while Life just hit 1.6 million views.

>>50265177
Muu was interesting because opinion was genuinely split on her by the end of her first voting period. She kept going back and forth between forgiven and condemned, which is why it was so shocking to see her acting so high and mighty in the second trial. She literally barely scraped by and a lot of people saw through her wounded act anyway. Yuno got upset that people were assuming things about her despite being forgiven, but Muu didn't care about the reasons as much as the result, narrow as it was.
That's also why it's not surprising she was so heavily condemned in the second trial. People were already on the fence about her and her reaction only proved her detractors right.

>>50269587
It's not just her. Lots of verdicts came about as a response to the Prisoner's behavior rather than their crime.
Shidou kept being forgiven because he seemed regretful af and kept saying he wanted to die.
Haruka and Mu got slammed with the guilty verdict because they did a 180 after their T1 and started acting smug and assured
Futa got a guilty verdict in T1 while Kotoko got an innocent one while they're both vigilantes. Sure that's oversimplyfing it, but it's still an interesting angle to boserve, simply because of how they acted.

It also reminded me of this funny video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW1r1BHMf7s

>>50191295 (OP)
Last I checked a few anons were trying and failing to start Milgram discussion on /jp/ (and /a/) because of a lack of interest. Has 4chan finally caught on to this?

>>50269845
OP here. I remember ages ago asking on /a/ where I can post about Milgram, and was directed here.
I tried starting threads everytime a new trial came out, but they barely got traction.
This thread has been a great success, and I'm super glad I got to chat with some anons here!

>>50269845
/a/ probably isn't the place for this project and I remember seeing one image thread on /cm/ way back when it was almost completely new. I think it only caught on after the first trial ended, but it still didn't have a big enough following of regular fans until about halfway through that.
It's kind of sad that it's considered big now that it's almost over. I also think it's going to be hard to talk about Shidou and Mahiru's videos at length once they come out since they're not going to have any songs that come with.

>>50269901
i've been bumping the thread too, i wonder how many IDs are actually here.. sucks milgram isnt big on here

>>50231342
In my opinion Umbilical is her best song

>>50269817
>Lots of verdicts came about as a response to the Prisoner's behavior rather than their crime.
And Kotoko got the status of "most guilty" prisoner because she attacked the other prisoners, not because of her crime.

Amane bwos....are we cooked? I have a feeling that Futa might be able to help, but depending on what happens if you're guilty in the last trial, I'm concerned.... Despite everything, I think she deserves mercy. I think her first guilty verdict messed her up, then being innocent for round 2 only reinforced her bad views. Regardless of what her song is, and what info comes out, I think people are just going to vote her guilty because they don't like what she's done and caused in MILGRAM. We have Futa fans that might be upset because they don't like her taking him down a path they aren't a fan of. Shidou fans, who are probably seething that she killed him....and then I think the biggest group who would be upset, are the Mahiru fans. Indirectly dooming her is probably not making her any fans. To a lesser extent, Yuno fans might be upset because Mahiru and her were close, and her death caused a character they like to suffer.
Unless Shidou forgives her in his death video, I don't think she's got too much of a chance of good votes...

>>50277902
dont care amane dies

>>50278944
Rip, though depending on how things go , if Futa can find his redemption giving his life for hers, I think he will... For better or worse, I feel their fates are linked.

>>50256882
>and it's funny to me how Mikto still nabbed a guilty vote in T1 despite the extreme flood of thirsty yumes
Milgram was still relatively new and MeMe going viral brought in a lot of new fans. Many voters were still figuring out how everything works and didn't know about all the extra material like the interrogation voice dramas which revealed Mikoto's multiple personalities. All they saw from the music video was a psycho going on murder sprees.

>>50283385
And yet it's looking like he was culpable for the murder all along and John is just the fall guy. I wonder how they'll play the last two cases since right now it looks like Mikoto is poised to be "forgiven" while Kotoko is getting a hard "unforgiven". And since Fuuta's voting period started out with him in the negative, it looks like not everyone is on board with a clean forgiven vote sweep yet.

>>50283841
I'm kind of hoping that they pull some cool twist because outside of Kazui (which I'm betting will get inno anyways), Mikoto is locked for a innocent vote while Amane and Kotoko are locked for guilty ones.