Forced Reset Trigger & Super Safety General /frtssg/

General to discuss fully semi-automatic devices, such as the forced reset trigger (FRT) and super safety (SS).

News:
>ATF/DoJ settled with RBT
>cuck states suing to get the federal ban reinstated
>RBT suing Deez Nutz for selling Hoffman safeties
>Atrius Super Selektors shipping now with ambis coming soon

Is it legal? Yes! Unless you live in a cuck state.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return

Distributors:
https://www.activesafetydesigns.com
https://atrius.dev
https://deeznutztactical.com
https://www.deltateamtactical.com
https://www.fittyactual.com
https://greymarketresearch.net
https://hoffmantactical.com
https://rarebreedtriggers.com
https://redactedarmsllc.com
https://www.tacswap.com

You've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?
>like an FRT, but a different mechanism (the safety)
>cheaper than an FRT
>$90-$120 for full drop-in kit
>3D printable or CNC (recommend stainless/4140)
>most are 3 position cross-bolt safety
>left is safe, right is semi, middle is fully semi-automic
>Atrius now shipping the only super safety that operates like a normal AR safety selector

How it works:
https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFTo

To make an AR-15 super safe you'll need:
>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group
>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)
>"low shelf" lower receiver
>SS
>any AR trigger so long as you give it an SS cut

Last thread: >>63738765

is FRT an open technology? Does it mean anyone can make it?

What's the point?
>to defeat tyranny
you didn't use your guns already and this won't make you start
>fun
full auto isn't fun, it's very inaccurate and expensive and loud and gassy and will cook your barrel quickly
>to own leftists
they will give these same inventions to their pets to terrorize you and your family with, doesn't seem like a wise plan

>>63828284
Rare Breed Triggers has 2 patents. One specifically for their trigger and one for the forced reset utility. However, a lawanon last thread, >>63810878, thinks their utility patent is weak. We'll find out during the RBT v Deez Nutz lawsuit.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20140259845A1/en

https://patents.google.com/patent/US10514223B1/en

>>63828311
Sorry, xir, but cuck bitch general is somewhere else.

>>63828398
You didn't answer the question. Try your post again.

>>63828403
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
If you don't understand this, then this is a board for you.

>>63828311
>full auto isn't fun
Says you

>>63828417
I understand that. So you're going with the liberty option? Would you say that gun owners are now going to rise up against tyranny now that full automatic firearms are legal?

>>63828417
>then this isn't a board for you.
Frick my heckin life.

>>63828455
I'm actually going to say anything else to you, cause ur fag.

>>63828463
>mobile filename
I accept your concession.

>>63828463
>I'm actually NOT* going to say
Reeeeeee.

>>63828311
>>63828455
huh what. you don't gotta worry about that silly, the demons are raping your little faggy head with needles while you trash around, seething alone. They whisper so many things to you you don't know who to hate?

I just watched the James Reeves video with the RBT guys. The comments were full of people attacking the RBT guys for not trying to fight for FRTs in handguns, as well as for suing the makers of something called a "super safety". Personally I think the heat was a bit overboard. The 2A community needs to know when to take a win. The FRT is a win. There's no need to utterly lambast the guys who spent millions in court fees to legalise the FRT.

can someone PLEASE create a FRT/SS for the TP9

>>63829214
>There's no need to utterly lambast the guys who spent millions in court fees
Didn't they immediately lose all goodwill they'd built up when they sued those companies? Not an American so I haven't followed too closely but I hate IP law and those who abuse it

>>63829594
The patent system is potentially exploitable, but it's in the constitution as much as the 2nd amendment is. Apparently the super safety is legally distinct from the FRT, so it should pass in the courts. RBT is potentially engaging in "lawfare", where you use frivolous lawsuits to run competitors out of business with legal fees.

>>63829280
somebody already makes one, you have to use a slip trip

no i dont have the link

yes it does exist

trust me bro

>>63829667
>The patent system is potentially exploitable
It's a system based on exploitation. The whole idea of intellectual property is absurd. These days most people know this, and it only persists because corporations depend on it.

>>63829935
You're completely wrong. Patents incentivise invention by guaranteeing that an invention can be monetised by its creator for 20 years, either by them selling it or a license to make it. Places like China are devoid of new inventions precisely because everyone has been conditioned to copy others, due to a lack of patent law.

>>63828311

>>63828264 (OP)
is this the "hearing protection act" thread or is this a completely different thread with a completely different goal than the "hearing protection act" thread?

>>63830001
>Patents incentivise invention
Even if this were true, they'd still be nonsensical and morally wrong. But the reality is that people invent things all the time without patents. Almost any "guy in a garage" sort of invention was made with no intention of patenting it. That includes many of the most important inventions in history.
>due to a lack of patent law
In fact, China claims the opposite. They love to show off their high number of patents as proof of their innovation. But since we both know China isn't very innovative, all they've really proven is that patents don't incentivize innovation.

>>63830094
They are morally right because they provide credit to creators and incentivise capitalism. Guys in sheds aren't covered by patent law unless they actually try to sell something that they made. You're being misleading about China. They don't enforce patent laws at all.

>it's NOT an inventory or manufacturing bottleneck
>its processing and fulfillment that is delayed
>we swear bro
>HOMIES
>JET PLANES N SHIEET
>Scam!?? I'll cancel your order rn
>Take no shit.
>2A COMMUNITY
>Shipping every day bro we swear
>HYPEBEAST MAG DUMPS
>TFW TYLER DURDEN
>Keep the vibes high tonight.

>>63830210
>Guys in sheds aren't covered by patent law unless they actually try to sell something that they made.
That's false. If a company owns a patent for something, it's illegal for a guy in a garage to make a thing for personal use if it infringes on the patent. If the guy in the garage wants to said thing, then by US law, he must buy the patented device from the patent holder. Themoreyouknow etc.

>>63828311
>>to defeat tyranny
>you didn't use your guns already and this won't make you start
Still unvaxxed

Anyone else get an update fron atrius yet? Sent then an email also week but still no reply. I'm sure they're busy but c'mon. The order tracker is useless because it just says whether or not it's shipped

>>63830094
NTA, and I am an IP attorney (although not an ideological one). The notion is that creation begets ownership; because you created an original, novel, and useful invention, the constitution grants limited powers of monopoly.

FWIW I think that patent lawfare is only really a problem in the big leagues, with pharmaceutical companies and players like that. I think that there's a good chance RBT gets clobbered here.

>>63829214
they didn't spend millions in court fees to legalize the FRT, they spent millions to ensure they have a monopoly on the forced reset market. They acted like fags and everyone rightfully called them out as fags. RBT did not invent forced reset they're just trying to make money.

>>63830745
> the guy in the garage wants to said thing, then by US law, he must buy the patented device from the patent holder.
I legally buy my legal knock offs legally from legal temu. I have legal receipts legally to legally prove the legality. Check mate America.

>>63829667
>The patent system is potentially exploitable
Lol. Its not "potentially exploitable" it IS EXPLOITABLE and people do so every day and have done so for decades. There are people who make a living literally just be suing other people for inventions based on vague patent claims.
>>63830001
>Patents incentivise invention by guaranteeing that an invention can be monetised by its creator for 20 years
lol, lmao even. Take forced reset triggers for example. RBT didn't invent them, they just bought the rights to the patent. Now that a faceless grifter corporation legally has the rights (to something they didn't invent and had no hand in creating) to sue other companies making a completely different product. Isn't that pretty fucked?

>>63828417
>>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
you're a retard if you buy into this slop in 2025

>>63831068

>>63830745
Why are you lying? Patent law explicitly only covers making money from a thing. You can make anything you want, so long as it isn't outlawed otherwise (like prohibited weapons)

>>63830210
>They are morally right because they provide credit to creators and incentivise capitalism
They're morally wrong because if I come up with a patented idea independently and try to profit off it I'm not allowed, and it's considered as if a theft took place when it objectively didn't. Free markets flourished long before IP laws became commonplace.
>They don't enforce patent laws at all.
Your picture provides no proof of this, considering US military vehicle designs don't even have publicly available patents. They're effectively treated as regular old state secrets, thanks to the US Invention Secrecy Act. And anyways, if they didn't enforce patents, there would be no incentive to apply for a patent, yet they get over one million applications per year.

>>63829594
>but I hate IP law and those who abuse it
IP law gets abused a lot. especially by big pharma and disney, but we do need it

>>63831082
It's the year 2025 of our Lord, and you have instant access to all the information on the world in the palm of your hand, yet you still sit here sharing your childish misunderstandings of "how things are" as if they are facts for others to believe.

Here is one of the very first search results (of many) that says you're wrong. I'm sure you won't believe just this one though, but unfortunately for you, it's all I'll bothering sharing with you.

https://www.carrferrell.com/what-if-someone-uses-my-patented-invention-without-my-permission/

The two paths ahead of you now are:
>A) You want to accurately understand US patent law so you DYOR and within minutes understand that US patent law stipulates that individuals are infringing on a protected patent, even if what they're making is for personal use.
>B) You want to continue having a childish misunderstanding of US patent law so you can parrot your false head canon anonymously online, deluding yourself that by doing so you can remain "right" and somehow save face. You won't spend 5 minutes to DYOR.

Further more, to really expose the error of your mind, please share with everyone the "explicit" part of US patent law that says people can infringe on someone's patent so long as they aren't making money. I just talked down to you like a idiot bastard child; surely you want to put me in my place and prove me wrong, no?

>>63831068
yuro please go and stay go

>>63831657
>If I independently discover gravity in the current year, I should get the same recognition as Isaac Newton.
Yeah, no.

>China makes a bizzilion patent applications
And enforces none. What's not to get?

>>63831717
I don't know why you're acting so miffed at this. I'm clearly correct when I say that if someone patents the concept of tables, you won't be arrested for making a table. This is because it's explicitly stated that you can't make frivolous patents.

So uh, sit down, I guess? In your place?

>>63831782
>he chose B path
>he now says the patent for FRT is frivolous
By doubling down on being wrong, you're losing even more face. You fail to understand that patents can be made for a utility. This is the last time I try to educate you, since you have chosen to be willfully ignorant and can't back up your claims with any sources beyond the rancid bends of your rectum.

https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/essentials#questions

>>63828264 (OP)

>>63828284

>>63828311
>you didn't use your guns already

>>63829280
Given how FRTs work by utilizing recoil, would you even get reliable operation out of one on something as soft shooting as a 9mm PCC?

>>63836075
NTA but 100% yrs

>>63828311
These triggers have gotten people to come out with some of the most retarded takes and i love them for it

>>63828311
>What's the point?
Because I can, fuck you.

>you didn't use your guns already and this won't make you start
So?

>full auto isn't fun, it's very inaccurate and expensive and loud and gassy and will cook your barrel quickly
Just because youre a faggot about it doesn't mean we all are.

t>hey will give these same inventions to their pets to terrorize you and your family with, doesn't seem like a wise plan
If they can have it, I want the same option.

>>63836075
9mm PCC are honestly the best with FRTs and super safeties. The MP5 super safety is so much fun. And the Kuna is open for pre-orders now. Plug and play.

>>63828311

>>63831941
Face? Come on, just tell me you're a chinese national while you're at it. Why did you claim I said the FRT is a frivolous patent when I was talking about a hypothetical patent of tables? Seems like you're grasping at straws. I don't think anything in those links of yours will help you there. You were just posting random links related to patents in the hope I wouldn't check them, anyway.

To summarise;
-You can't make frivolous patents
-You can't enforce a patent claim on some guy making shit in a shed for personal use.
-Patents are good for the technological progression of society because all patents are public and expire after 20 years.

It's "company secrets" that are the real demon. Things like a more efficient way to make mercury fulminate being kept secret by NDAs and such.

>To summarise;
>2 lies, 1 truth

Not sure if he's saying this nonsense just to bump the thread or if he's actually this dumb.

Anyone heard of any company working on a SS/FRT for the keltec cp33? Can't find anything online

I just want a properly placed 3 position safety totally not full auto doohickey that is non-ambi and can work with my geiselle trigger? Does such a thing exist?

>tfw the nfa is effectively toothless by legal fiat and cunning engineering within the span of a month

All my cum

>>63840653
>Non ambi
Put a screw in and file it down flat on the side you don't want?

>>63840725
Also it supposed to work with any three position safety if I remember reading it for the delay team tactical

>>63840733
Isn’t the order reversed compared to the labelling on some of these?

>>63840759
Not on all the delta teams I have

I heard the trigger on the frt feels like Chinesium shit. Is this glowie cope or legit?

>>63841754
The one from deez nuts feels like an ALG, but you can just put a Geissele in there if you want a better trigger.

>>63828311
what is this euro-faggotry on my goddamn k

Atrius bros.. we got rug pulled..

Has Deez shipped anything recently? I'm worried with the lawsuit that they won't be shipping orders they've received recently.

>>63828311
>full auto isn't fun, it's very inaccurate and expensive and loud and gassy and will cook your barrel quickly
Wrong on every account, it completely depends on your setup. Especially at 600-700 rpm, which isn't super fast.

If all of the glock 19 gen 4s are the same (if oem) and all of the frt kits are the same, why do some of the kit sellers on ebay say may require fitting/trimming? They're not so poorly made that they'd be different. I just want a cheap one to plug and play and see if its worth it

>>63842057
Yeah man I just bought my brother one for Father's Day, no issues.

>>63841754
RBT and Delta team frt aren't competition triggers and just a tad nicer than milspec.

>>63828311
>>63828403
>>63828455
>>63828467
picrel, faggot
>>63829214
Those guys did win the FRT thing, now they are going after people who make a similar but different, and better, product because its undercutting them. While also selling a 3pos FRT that is a carbon copy of another companies FRT.
The Super Safety is not infringing on their patent, they just want to squash competition which is anti-gun, anti-fun, and anti-me. I hope they lose everything

>>63829214
They "settled" for essentially a government-enforced monopoly. This isn't a win except for Rare Breed.

>>63828311
>they will give these same inventions to their pets to terrorize you and your family with
Look around, anon. The only places their pets aren't too afraid to riot and act like retards are leftist shitholes.

Are we winning

Trigger snobs dont make a lick sense when you apply that shit to an frt
Your holding the fucking thing down 90% of the time who gives a shit you don't need a glass break. A 6 pound mil spec trigger is fine on an frt . Dont beat around the bush you bought one to turn money into noise at 750 rpm and thats ok cause its fun. Save the nice triggers for your dmr build

>>63842893
You are mostly correct but I still want my mk12 to have a Geissele trigger. DGAF about the trigger on the home defense SBR.

t. Have 5 super safeties

>>63840521
Not that I know of.

>>63840653
Yes, the Atrius. See the OP for link.

>>63840666
Feelsgoodsatan.

>>63841973
Nah, someone here got theirs. They were order #6XX. I get the impression Atrius are noobs who got WAY more orders than excepted and are sucking ass at keeping up with demand and communicating with customers.

>>63842707
>essentially a government-enforced monopoly
That's literally what a patent is.

>>63842893
You can still fire in semi. Also, why not have a nice trigger if you can?

I just got an FRT for my ar and it seems like every ten or so rounds the firing pin isn’t going through the primer, anyone else have this issue and what did you upgrade to fix it?

>>63843373
Bolt bounce.

Use a silent captured spring or a lightweight bolt carrier.

>>63843460
Thank you man, I’m about to buy this one.

I just bought my first ar-15. except for the nodak spud lower and a few random pins, the whole rifle is an early 70s a1 parts kit. any weirdness in getting a SS to work in older rifle-length systems? anything specific I should watch out for?

>>63843495
No problem. These are an upgrade in general, especially with suppressed guns.

>>63843460
Why not just an extra power spring like from wolff?

>>63843512
I have one in an ancient Sedra A1 and it runs great. Cyclic rate is low so I dropped a lightweight bolt carrier in it to get it over 800 rpm

>>63843548
good to hear. did you need to do any fitting besides the trigger?

>>63843512
>>63843575
I dropped one in my rifle length dissy and it ran perfect . I did have to dremel out a bit of the upper to stop the ss from binding up.
Im running an anderson dissaptor barrel with a normal rifle buffer spring and bcg.fire rate is on the lower side of 700 rpm

>>63843594
I was hoping to not have to dremel the upper, but fuck it small price to pay. interesting mix of parts on that rifle btw

>>63843546
That might work but I've got no experience with them. I was already a JP Chad when I got my first super safety.
>>63843575
No. The two considerations IME are the lower shelf height and the bolt carrier group profile. If you have a full auto bcg and a low shelf lower you should be fine.

>>63843632
I was going for a 605 clone,being left handed dictated either running and ugly brass deflecter or a c7 upper so i went with a dpsm c7 upper. Lower is an h&r commando

>>63843632
NTA but I also have a C7 upper and it did not require dremel work. YMMV

>>63844078
Both my ar15s have c7 dpms uppers so it might be a manufacturer issue. Both have an ss and i had to dremel out both the same way

If my Atrius # is 34XX, how long do y'all think I have left to wait? I ordered it May 21st...

>>63846092
Check their tracking page.

https://atrius.dev/order-tracking/

I'm also in the 3ks and it says orders are fulfilled in 4 weeks. We'll see if it actually ships this week.

God knows what the current order count is. I suspect these are getting these manufactured in China (谢谢平平!), and that probably has a 4 to 6 week turn around for them (just a ballpark guess). Add to that delays and complications from the current trade war and I wouldn't be surprised if the real turn around time ends up being 8 weeks from order to shipping.

>>63846092
Also order May 21st, in the upper #3500s. I sent then an email a little over a week ago but no reply

>>63846154
Didn't know about that link, thank you!

I'm putting it in a 6.8 I have, I'll report back if I get it too. I don't mind the wait, so long as I get it, you know?

Would be kinda sucky too if your hunch about China is true, but at this point, fuck it. So long as I can throw a buck fifty downrange at 700+rpm. I'll be happy.

>>63846175
I just emailed them about an hour ago as well. We'll see if they say anything.

>>63846177
>Would be kinda sucky too if your hunch about China is true
Where else would it be made manufactured to be able to sell at this price? Almost everything you use daily is wholey or partly manufactured in China. Anytime something is manufactured in the US you'll pay a lot more and the seller will make sure you know it's PROUDLY MADE IN USA™!

>>63846175
>>63846180
I've emailed them twice and never got a reply.

>>63828311
>full auto isn't fun
Fun IS an understatement.... It's Awesome.
>very inaccurate and expensive and loud and gassy and will cook your barrel quickly.
That describes my ex-wife perfectly.

>>63846209
>Where else would it be made manufactured to be able to sell at this price?
Vietnam? I dunno. Regardless of any of that, I can still lament the fact.
>>63846180
>>63846209
What email address did y'all use? Their "info" one?

>>63846266
I replied to my order confirmation email and I submitted an email via their Contact Us page (https://atrius.dev/contact). Neither got a reply.

QRD on glawk FRTs?

>>63843495
>$169
Jesus christ I remember when these were like $60, what happened?

>>63846528
COVID lockdowns --> Trump printed billions and sent everyone money to not work --> Bidenflation

tl;dr fiat gunna fiat

>>63846632
Wait, no, I just checked.
I'm retarded they were always expensive.

>>63836075
>Given how FRTs work by utilizing recoil
Uh-oh
Retard alert

>>63836075
>9mm PCC
>soft shooting
You don't own guns huh

>>63828311
>you won't do shit
I'd rather be capable to do shit rather than be disarmed eurotrash who CAN'T do shit.

>>63828311
What's the point?
>to defeat tyranny
Yes. This is a deterrent, allows me to train with full auto, and gives me more options
>fun
full auto isn't fun if your a faggot. Poorfag skill issue?
>to own leftists
Do faggots really think like this? Its 2025 and you dont see both parties are 2 sides of the same fucked coin that exist soley to divide, fuck and exploit you? So back to the first point, yes. If i get no knock raided i get an extra party trick

>>63847462
You don't own roller delayed blowback huh

>>63848832
You said _A_ 9mm PCC. Not an MP5/calico/Kuna/whatever vaporware they've shoved rdb into lately.

>>63848948
I didn't say anything, NTA. Also
>not having a roller delayed blowback PCC
Lol, sucks to suck, huh?

I got my second super safety from AS Designs yesterday. They seem to be the only place to get them in CPM-10V which is the strongest steel that I've seen for these so far. I got an old Rocek Rover AR I could but it in. I'll need to get an M16 BCG though.

>>63851662
A FA carrier is like $100, nbd

Is there a SS/FRT for 10/22s yet? Feel like there's a crazy market for it

Whats the cheapest m16 cut complete lower?
>>63854040
Yeah but im not sure which one is good

>>63854166
Yk where I could find any of the current work on this? Would love to contribute

>>63854166
PSA

>>63831657
>hei guise trust these chinese facts and figures because shifty, lying, chinks would NEVER LIE TO US

>>63854166
fyi FRT/SS do not require m16 cut, just low shelf.

>>63854236
I gotta look at my dd lower then unless ddm4v7s are g2g
>>63854183
I was thinking of binary triggers fuck my mistake

>>63854252
Very unfortunate. I've seen the norell trigger pack/bolt combo, but would love to work on something non-nfa

>>63830210
>>63830745
>>63831082
>>63831717
>>63831782
>>63831941
>>63837326
You are both partially correct. Patent includes the ability to restrain others from "making" a patented invention. This means a patent holder technically has a claim against a "guy in a shed" however to succeed on the claim the patent holder must prove damages, which is basically impossible to do if it's just a guy in a shade making something for his own use since he can just say "I wouldn't have bought your thing anyway". Niggers.

>>63854446
Yes, I know that I'm 100% correct. The hypothetical where a patent holder would lose in court (despite having the law clearly in his favor) is silly. The damages are theft in the amount that the patent holder is selling them for + damages + fees. Hope the guy in his garage likes getting his ass fucked.

>>63854634
>patent holder must prove damages, which is basically impossible to do if it's just a guy in a shade making something for his own use since he can just say "I wouldn't have bought your thing anyway".

>>63854651
That's your entire case for infringing on someone's patent? That you'd go through all the trouble of making one at home and proceed with using it, and then in court you think saying, "I ain't gunna pay for this thing!" is a strong enough case for infringing on someone's patent protection? Whew.

Hoffman Tactical super safety sisters, how do we respond to this? The Atrius Super Selektor has a much higher rate of fire in comparison to a Hoffman super safety. He also says the Atrius is "worth the wait."

https://youtu.be/eec7-RembOE

>>63807323
>>63808226
My DNT order still hasn't shipped and I ordered a little over a week ago.
There's no notice or anything on the website. If it still hasn't shipped by the end of this week I'll send them an email

>>63843460
>>63843495
I haven't used my super safety in my AR with one of these but I have tried to get my 5.7 Banshee working with one and I still haven't gotten it to stop giving me a dead trigger but that's probably a cartridge/gun specific issue.
Also BTW the springs that come with these stock are equivalent to lightweight regular buffer springs, probably a good idea to order the highest power spring on JP's website and replace it.

how do i stop dead trigger when my gun wont cycle with a buffer heavier than H2

>>63855286
Took them 9 days to ship mine but it shipped.

>>63855410
Good to know, thanks. I wasn't sure if their estimate was accurate or up to date

>>63855338
I've used a ton of silent captured springs and I've never altered them or swapped anything. YMMV but they are extremely forgiving.

>>63855855
I've tried h1, h2, and h3 weights on in this Banshee and zero success. I'm trying h2 with the heaviest spring they offer next. This cartridge in this gun may just not be super safeable, I got my .45 ACP banshee to work with an h2 scs though.

>>63828264 (OP)
Will Hoffmann tactical release the Gcode and setup sheet /tool list for his super safety?

Mikron or YCM please 5th axis

Or on a haas with a Y axis

>>63828264 (OP)
Noguns euro, but I've shot some (SA only) before.
I have some questions (trolling/jokes aside) cuz curious.
How much harder is an "increased ROF" (regardless if it's achieved via FRT, a bump stock or something else) AR-pattern to control, and how significantly do your ammo expenses increase to make sure you're trained well with it?
How does this affect your ammo logistics beyond training - do you have more mags on your vest? start buying bigger mags? etc

>>63855968
Ammo cost is just arithmetic, but FA is fun as hell so you kinda want to shoot more. As far as control goes, it very much depends on the gun. G3? Fun but uncontrollable. Thompson? So heavy that it is a breeze. SAW? Highly controllable if you know what you are doing. PKM? Slightly more recoil than a SAW. MP5? Total cinch. AK? Not bad, especially with a slant. AR? Generally mild but the gas system and buffer length determines the impulse.

>>63854730
I would argue that the fact you went through the trouble of making your own version is proof positive you really were never going to buy it.

>>63828311
All this for some (you)s

>>63855951
https://hoffmantactical.com/designs/super-safety/

Something else I've wondered without knowing much about american law or politics.
Why does the ATF not outlaw the act of firing at the speed of more than X rounds per minute, instead of playing legal whack a mole with force reset/auto sears/bump stocks/shoestrings? Sure it would be harder to enforce as you can't arrest someone for a device they clearly posess, but they could do it the way Texas does with abortion bans (bounty laws) or just incentivize snitching. What in the US legal system stops them from doing it?
To be clear, I don't believe it would be good if they did this or encourage this happening, but it seems illogically inefficient to enforce loopholes on their part, if they actually want citizens to not be able to run full auto.

>>63856104
Those are just stls

>>63856109
>Why does the ATF not outlaw the act of firing at the speed of more than X rounds per minute

Literally impossible to enforce

>new leber v2 function test (home printed, never fired) in ap5
>4140 ss, precut trigger and 7075 slip trip, all as designs and dlc coated
>Ss position: trigger is ridiculously stiff, i can barely pull it with my fingertip, but once held it takes a much more reasonable amount of force to keep it held while cycling, forced reset works properly every single cycle
>Semi position: trigger pull is light and normal like any milspec fcg, however the disconnector does not catch the hammer if the trigger is held while cycling the bolt resulting in hammer follow , but if the trigger is not held the hammer is caught and the trigger is properly reset
Any ideas? The 2nd one I'm guessing the disconnector so I'll replace it (tried polishing it, maybe I took off too much material) however the 1st I'm not too sure, does it need to be broken in or maybe the trigger was cut improperly?

>>63855286
>>63855410
It shipped a few hours after I posted this, so looks like they still are fulfilling orders with the lawsuit pending.

Little update on my Atrius Dev Super Selektor
First off, they are definitely real, and they are delivering product, it isn't vaporware.

Order #6xx, placed on release date. Took about 3-4 weeks to actually get. Got it, install is easy. Had some issues in an 80% lower that likely was finished out of spec. Swapped over to an ADM UIC Low shelf. With one of my uppers it ran solid, 120 rounds no issues other than a couple light primer strike dead trigger hammer follow malfs, typical of a timing issue in a machine gun or an FRT/SS, should be solveable with buffer/spring/gas tuning.

With a different lower and upper set up I was running into issue. Had some additional issues, will clarify more later, but got in contact with Atrius and they had top notch customer service, shipped me replacement parts ASAP for the shit that I am pretty sure I broke out of my own stupidity.

Will update further this weekend.

>>63858414
Hell yeah, keep us posted!

I've got a tracking number
Order #18xx

>>63858414
Based.

I want to know if it will work with an MBT2.

Anyone try hiperfire triggers?

>>63855951
>>63856113
if you have a multi-axis machine but cant make your own tool list and post an .NC file for this shit then you dont deserve it.
Mastercam is free if you have a brain. get on it, we believe in you.

Atrius Development Super Selektor force reset selector FRS FRT SS update.

Atrius customer service was really good. Had a phone call with them, got a replacement part sent out ASAP. Put the replacement part in and got everything working. It is ripping good. Original issue was almost certainly my fault for fucking shit up.

Ran 350 rounds today flawless no malfunctions.

Modified my selector to be ambi.


>>63862928
I don't believe it will, but I'm hearing that it works with the Schmid Tool mil-spec style two-stage, which isn't a bad trigger at all.

Mine was a little trigger finicky. I have a Schmid Tool two-stage that I actually need to try it on, but right now it is working on a basic Schmid Tool mil spec.

>>63866129
Atrius still hasn't replied to my email. I get that they're busy but its been like, 3 weeks at this point

>>63866129
>basic Schmid Tool mil spec
PSA EPT bros we eatin

>>63866335
What are you asking them about? They really are a tiny operation, which makes sense. They've taken on a lot of financial and legal risk obviously by producing, marketing, and selling their product. My understanding is if you're trying to cancel an order, they'll respond, or like in my case I was having technical issues with the product itself and needed support and replacement parts shipped to me, they responded pretty quick, but if you're just asking for a "when will it ship", they're probably gonna be a bit slow on that. During my 3-4 week ship time I bugged them once or twice via IG, and both time they just said hang tight.

>>63866857
I'm gonna try my Schmid Tool two-stage and I hope that one works well also because that means it has a good two stage semi auto mode, plus the FRS forced reset mode.

>>63856109
This is a very Euro take on things, and I don't mean that as an insult. We just think very differently.

Americans on the whole are pretty comfortable with breaking laws and committing crimes, especially when they're victimless and/or difficult to enforce. It's a cultural thing, and also likely a results of too many goddamn laws on the books in the first place. When it's difficult to conduct your business over the course of a day without inadvertently breaking a law or two, you start to get relaxed about it.

>>63867606
>cultural thing
It is deeper than that, it is genetic, and it isn't just about breaking laws in a general sense, it is about Americans coming from genetic stock that had built within them a stronger objective principled sense of right and wrong, of fair and unfair, of morals.

This is what drove the original settlers and colonists, among other motivators, to leave behind the yoke of unjust tyranny and chance their livelihood to die on their feet rather than live on their knees.

>>63867695
>This is what drove the original settlers and colonists, among other motivators, to leave behind the yoke of unjust tyranny and chance their livelihood to die on their feet rather than live on their knees.
the whole tyranny thing is a later projection from after the war of independence. Heck even during the war about as many colonials sided with the crown as did those that rebelled against it

>>63867606
Yeah man. I have like six ARs already but I milled an 80% lower out yesterday. Half to learn a new skill and half because I know that it makes GAYTF jannies SEETHE.

>>63867722
And those boot lickers got tarred and feathered

>>63868000

>>63828311
>you didn't use your guns already
See bundy standoff, see 2a protest in VA circa 2019. See NY getting btfo on conceal carry. there's probably more cases I can't think of right now
>auto isn't fun
That's your subjective opinion
>they will give these to their pets
Cognitive dissonance, you claimed we won't do anything but in the same breath you say leftists will? See Rittenhouse, and the 2a VA 2a protest, and any event where antifa got btfo
>see also
https://files.catbox.moe/sl2hjo.mp4

>>63836075
You ousted yourself.

>>63868000
Checked. We need to bring that back. For faggot libs and cop lovers.

>>63867722
>about as many
Well yes true, but my point stands that nearly 100% of those that left the old world to get to the Americas were of the genetic maverick ilk.

>>63868101
>bundy standoff
I remember realizing the system was fucked when back in 2014 I was trying to send via facebook message a youtube link showing the overpass standoff, and it got immediately flagged by whatever early AI system they had running and it prevented the message from being sent. Back in 2014...

>>63836075
While they do utilize inertia, I wouldn't say they utilize recoil.
If you have a gun that is marginally cycling with very little operating energy to begin with, then yes you can overpower the mechanism with your trigger finger just clamping down hard enough.

>>63843460
>lightweight bolt carrier
this will make the problem worse. you want more mass in the system.

>>63871378
You are mistaken; you are confusing where the mass and resistance matter. A heavier buffer can slow the system down enough to prevent bolt bounce, but a lightweight carrier will not have enough energy to bounce. I have several and they are a drop in solution for a FRT that is giving you bolt bounce. The other solution is a JP silent captured spring.

t. Have 5 ARs with super safeties.

Appalachian Custom Gunworks says they have a glock FRT. anybody have it already? or is it not out yet?

>>63873705
Like one specifically that they made? Glock FRTs have been out for ages now.

yes the one they specifically make. they say its a drop-in pack. i want to see the drop in pack without forking over 250+ dollars to someone i dont know on a cookie cutter website. they of course dont show any mechanisms or internals anywhere.

So is the DTT FRT in a 300 chimpout DPMS Kitty Kat gtg? I saw Micah’s video where he got it to work with the 5.56 version.

>>63828311
>it's very inaccurate
its really not.
>to their pets to terrorize you and your family
weak authoritarian talking point, besides nigs already have auto glocks.

Does a super safety/FRT exist for the PS90? Any relevant posts I can find are just "Oh one exists for the AUG and its basically the same as the P90 lol" but nothing helpful

>>63876979
Just wiggle the funky spring.

>>63876290
my 556 kitty kat ran out the box with a super safety

>>63876979
I believe they are in development now, but one isn't currently available. Will make the P90 irresistible to me desu.

>>63882539
Same. I've got an FN 5.7 and I'd love to br able to pair them but I'm put off by the lack of firepower a PS90 should odd but doesn't

>>63885107
Auto correct is raping me.
>Should have*

Is there a list of 9mm PCCs compatible with super safety/selektor?

>>63876290

Any also know how he got it to work in an LMT lower since those are high shelf?

Some helpful information I found on HK Pro for those wondering about getting an FRT/SSto run in a MR556/HK416:

>If you manually and slowly move the carrier forward it won’t fully reset the FRT but it does connect with it partway because the MR carriers aren’t cut back nearly as far as commercial spec AR carriers are. They’re between milspec and commercial but definitely closer to mil spec side of the range.

>It will work almost always in actual live fire because the force of the carrier touching it is enough to send it the rest of the way forward.

>The super safety is even more lenient and works 100% even manually racking and slowly closing it.

>A BRN carrier will work 100% as far as the sear trip geometry but I trust HK metallurgy more than I care about a functionally irrelevant difference in the trip. I’ve used two FRTs (2 pos and 3 pos), and three types of super safety (plastic original, metal original, and WHA) and they’ve all functioned with the MR carrier and BRN, though the MR sometimes failed on the 2 pos FRT and had to be manually cycled. Super safety was 100% on both carriers but the plastic one snapped which I kind of expected. It showed signs of rubbing so it may have needed a bit of fitment and might’ve held up better in that case. The WHA is the best by feel of the super safeties and has held up very well if you go that route.

https://www.hkpro.com/threads/will-a-dtt-frt-work-on-hk-bcg-with-no-hammer-safety.587320/

>>63887737
I also fell for the LMT meme but don't want to take a dremel to a $3k rifle.

Test

>>63892433
OK cool, my ban is over. I caught a ban for reminding everyone that the 4chan hack revealed that only Israel bothered to shill this place.

Anyway >>63890636, >>63887737, I have two LMTs that I milled to work with super safeties. It was pretty easy and it gave me the skill to mill an 80% lower. I recommend whipped out the drill press.

Do any of these systems support a three position low angle safety switch? Like, the 45 degree angle ar safety, but three positions, with no need to thumb an indent pin style safety?

>>63892487
Yes, the Atrius Super Selektor.

>>63892524
Uh oh, Atrius Super Selektor sisters, another damning video dropped. Apparently their super safety is made if CAST Chinesium and break easily. Could be catastrophic depending where the broken piece flies off to.

https://youtu.be/qPCzw-Y94PA

Still no update/reply to my email from Atrius, ordered last month on the 22nd

>>63828311
this post will cause massive seethe but he's right. FRTs are for poorfags. If you train you aren't using these.

>>63892737
>Still no update/reply to my email from Atrius, ordered last month on the 22nd
Literally me, even down to the order date. Checkout the comments in the YouTube video posted here >>63892623. Tons of people saying they've had scummy/scammed interactions with Atrius. I'm still just going to wait, because fuck it, I'd rather have a Chinesium Super Selektor in 2 months than not. With RBT suing EVERYONE, I just want to get what I can now. I'm hopeful some solid manufacturers come out soon.

>>63892824
Incredibly disappointing to hear. I'm out of the country until August 5th anyways so I'm totally fine with waiting. I hope Atrius will start using better quality manufacturing in the future and give out free replacements. I feel like at this point I might as well drill the 3rd hole desu

>>63893548
Where you going, anon?

May 17th order came in, within their stated wait time.
Not working with PSA EPT, will try different triggers and BCGs and update.
How do I tell material quality? Seems fine to me but machining is kinda rough.

Fake news

>>63894465
They got a lot of unhappy customers showing evidence that says otherwise. Atrius is obviously outsourcing manufacturing (probably from China). I don't doubt for a second they've shipped cheap pot metal to people, even if the pic in your post is from their most recent manufacturer.

>>63894236
Blessed, anon. Hopefully us May 22nd orderers will get ours in the next week or two, Gosh willing.

my LGS is carrying super safeties now

>>63893997
I'm in Japan visiting family. One downside to be noted is that bathrooms do not have A/C and I am at risk of heatstroke while taking a shit. Also I'm being eaten alive by bugs
>>63894743
>>63894465
Hopefully later orders are better quality. Real shitty of Atrius either way since they claim to not be in it for the money, but their customers and the 2A community as a whole. I don't wish them any ills since they have relatively a cheap product compared to FRTs and symbolize a good thing, but someone needs to be held accountable.

>>63856109
1. The ATF cannot make law, only Congress can, the ATF merely interprets laws as far as the courts will let them.
2. Literally unenforcable. You fan get full auto speeds by autistically spamming the triggers on a normal semi auto

>>63896271
That's extremely based. What state? What are they made of? How much?

>>63896295
Wow, it must be nice being able to get a passport freely travel around the world. I went to Japan a few times in the past. It was a lot of fun! I hope you enjoy your summer vacation, anon.

>>63896382
pennsylvania. theyre the harrison gunworks d2 kits for $150

>>63896408
Damn, that is so based. Do you have access to ranges there where you can shoot it? There are a handful around here that allow them.

>>63896462
the same LGS selling them has a range and they let you use them

>>63896487
Very cool. What part of Pennsylvania is that? It seems like Pennsylvania has some good gun culture (Euro Optic is based there and a few other places I've ordered from), but it also has Philadelphia and is on the East coast, which I pretty much equate to nogunz land. Having never been to that region of the country, it seems like such a weird place to me.

https://harrisongunworks.com/

These guys seem pretty cool. We should include them in the next OP, they apparently have an AK SS and this regular selector (albeit on a 3d printed lower) for the MP5.

>>63896500
PA is great for guns we dont have anything banned, no wait times, nothing.
>Euro Optic
i've been to the promised land several times

>>63896537
Whoa, hell yeah. I have purchased more than a gun or two from them online.

>>63896408
>>63896487
>anons at my LGS
jesus christ how horrifying

>>63897336
4channel oomfies should rub FRTs OwO

>all these people getting jewed by atrius
be patient anons, in due time i'll have my revenge on them for beating me to my idea and sell lever actuated super safeties for cheaper than they can compete with and actually ship in reasonable time, AND it'll be more durable than their flimsy pansy ass safety
also give me business name ideas

>>63896271
I had 2 of those exact drums and they both refused to feed, 70 bucks immediately in the trash

>>63898440
Cock-atrice

>>63898440
Travons Triggers
(formerly Nates)

>>63898440
NGRS Group

>>63892623
Eh... Couple things. Dude in this video is clearly a bit of an idiot. 9 minute long video and no hard objective facts or information pertaining to his setup or what all was done. It is just him yapping about his "lived experience" like a woman. The cherry on top is that it takes half a brain cell to just hold the piece up to ones eye and see that machining marks, which he eventually did, and then commented on saying as much.

While the Atrius Selektor (and evidently the super safety design in general) does appear to have the possibility if not even propensity to snap the lever depending on tolerances and interference, the main assertion of that video, that the Atrius lever is cast, is clearly false.

Now is it perhaps the case that the Atrius design is more likely than legacy super safety levers to snap when there is interference or off tolerances? Perhaps. Is it the case that the 4140 treated steel is perhaps not as strong as it should or could be if the part were made from S7 or something? Yes that very well might be the case.

Anyway, my main point is basically, if Atrius shot the Sheriff, we especially ought not accuse them of shooting the deputy.

>>63894236
What other parts are you using? Does your PSA EPT FCG show S markings, indicating it is a Schmid Tool FCG? I found that my Atrius Selektor, both the original and the replacement that I got when I broke my original, seemed rather finicky with various combinations of uppers, lowers, triggers, BCGs etc, and it appears that the tolerances for function are sorta tight in there.

>>63894743
>says otherwise
The lever I have and the levers I have seen on the internet are clearly machined from stock.

Backfilling update on my Atrius Super Selektor
Original lever that came in I am pretty sure I broke trying to get it to work with an 80% clone lower that I finished to 100% myself, and that very well might have been out of spec. I recall at one point during manual by hand cycling trying to force the selektor over to super forced mode, and using quite a bit of force to get it to rotate. I think that I originally bent it out of spec when doing that, or perhaps when just trying to get it to work in the 80% lower, because after that I struggled to get it to function reliably in a few different upper/lower/trigger setups, oh and I also at one point am pretty sure I was using it with an A5 length buffer tube, but a standard carbine buffer tube length buffer, which absolutely could have caused additional damage. What is curious is even with this initial damage/bend out of spec, the lever worked decently well in ONE setup with ONE combination of parts, but not in others. But then after more use it just bent more until it wasn't working at all in ANY of my setups/combos

Anyway, TL;DR is that the first lever that I got, pictures related, was probably broken by my own use of out of spec parts.

I think they should make them out of tool steel and or refine the geometry/design such that the tolerances with various other components in the operating system are better matched for the wear/strength of the lever.

The replacement lever I got when used with what I guess is the "correct" combination on in spec parts, has functioned well so far with no sign of bending. 350 rounds flawless, but obviously need 100x that to actually determine the true longevity of the design and parts.

Broken/bent lever next to replacement lever

are there any prebuily frt lowers?

>>63898940
Thanks for posting all of this. It was pretty obvious to me (a non idiot) that Atrius was not using cast parts but the internet is full of stupid people and I'm glad you did the work to clear the air.

I'm thinking that I'll put my Atrius, which should arrive soon, in my fully pocketed lower. I'll try to get it to work with a LaRue MBT2 and report back. I previously milled an MBT2 to work with a Hoffman design SS but I have 2 more left so I may as well give it a shot.

>>63898885
You can machine castings too brainiac. The current issues appear to be due to material quality, though yeah the super selector design is way flimsier than a super safety so it really should be S7 or other tool steel.
>>63898933
>guy calling people an idiot
>running an A5 weight in carbine buffer
you ever hear of the pot calling a kettle black?
>>63899155
Casting then machining doesn't normally make a lot of sense, but if he's getting cheap chinese parts Lord only knows what they're actually doing

>>63898440
>Rolling
DRGN-DLDO

>>63899633
Fuck yeah dubs. Now you have to do it.

>>63856213
Are you sure the precut is done right? It sounds like a clearance issue where the cut is - might need more material removed

>>63855338
How effective is the lockup on a radial delayed 5.7?
In normal semi-auto do buffer weight/spring changes radically change the recoil impulse? Is the bolt velocity always fast?
Could it be a case of radial delaying - as opposed to a properly ruined roller delayed or a DI or Gas - having varying bolt velocities ie delay slip?
If bolt velocity varies ie - one round is more delayed than the next by a larger margin than DI/Gas/Roller than that could be the trip up.

Also what does the bolt look like

>>63900770
the cam path is extremely short compared to the other radial delay offerings, bolt has angles cut on the rear of the lugs to create the delay
i was initially thinking it wasnt possible but then i saw someone on arfcom with a super safety'd 5.7 banshee working with a regular carbine spring and buffer so maybe its the silent captured spring

>>63900791
>but then i saw someone on arfcom
Was it Amphibian? I haven't checked in a while, but I know he is/was running a modified Banshee, so maybe that had something to do with it too...?
(His site that goes over the tweaks:)
https://c3junkie.com/?page_id=2642

>>63900898
nah, it was just some random guy with a stock banshee

>>63900791
Are you sure they had a SS and not a FRT?

>>63900965
yep

Geissele Automatics SS Cut HK MR556 Trigger with Super Safety - $600 preorder.

https://www.suppressortools.com/products/geissele-automapre-order.

Seems awfully steep. I'm not entire sure what the 3D printed part is all about either.

>>63867695
>it is genetic
Partially agreed. America self-selects its immigrants for rule breakers, renegades, risk takers, outcasts, and crazy people.
>inb4 modern politics
We've basically done this since the beginning, although the rationale has changed over the centuries. There are also legitimately skilled and intelligent people that try to get over here to escape the hellholes that they grew up in, but 300 years ago this was an even worse hellhole back then. The different culture and free land were the draws, and free land hasn't been on the table for a while.

Back on the continent, the complacent, well-adjusted, and risk averse stayed where they were at. They were satisfied with what they had. Monarchy had some upsides. Why risk everything to move in with some borderline anarchists across the water to fight with Indians and possibly starve to death or get robbed by a passer by? That makes no sense to a rational person, so the rational people stayed behind.

But yes, by this point it's genetic. If you Euros are having a difficult time figuring out the American mindset, I've basically laid it out for you.

>>63901656
https://youtu.be/xDbuY4RH_nU

This guy says the company is better than Knights Armament and that it's run by people who murder people for a living (which he says is "cool" and "God's work"!). Also, despite being $600, that's actually not a lot of money. In fact, it's "extremely reasonable," because it's the price of him taking his family out to eat. He's blue collar, so I trust him. Interestingly, they claim to have patented this super safety trigger cut, (which looks like all the rest). He says that if you cut your own trigger for a super safety, then ATF WILLL fuck you in the ass and send you to prison for the rest of your life for manufacturing machine guns, so really it's worth paying them $600 to cut the trigger for you. He also says that all the other super safeties that are a third of the price can be converted into machine guns, because reasons. It's a pretty enlightening video. I feel safe (super safe even) buying from them. He even made me pinky promise that I'd be safe if I bought his (of which he's sold thousands).

>>63898440
Rolling for Tony's Triggers (Formerly Nate's)

>>63901656
>>63902949
>Standard Geissele Trigger for the HK MR556, new in box with Patent Pending War Hammer Armaments Super Safety cut.
Lmao, holy shit, these jews are trying to patent the trigger cut required for making a super safety function. FUCK these guys!

>>63902967
nta but I was trying to think of something Sneed themed, glad someone else thought of something that actually sounds good

>>63902967
Change it to Tristen's Triggers (Formerly Nate's)

Ambi super selektor when

>>63903316
Nigga they can't even build/ship the normal one.

Adding my experience to the list. Ordered my atrius super selektor from performance triggers com on 5/27 and still nothing.

>>63903316
don't worry anon, i >>63898440 will make them

>>63903423
i will mention though that it might be a little while before i have the lever selector design ready for sale since i decided to work on one for another gun first
i also dont personally have an ar15 yet for testing which is gonna delay things even more, and i dont know which one of my friends has one compatible with it and would lend me it
and in the off chance rare breed wins that lawsuit then i guess i'm just completely fucked

Got my AD trip kit and now my JAKL. Now just need to get it installed by a gunsmith (I'm not confident enough to diy)

Piston kino soon

>>63903279
>>63902967
Formerly Nathan's. Syllables need to match

>>63903441
Are they gonna be handmade or what?

>>63848044
>This is a deterrent
. . .

>>63903441
>I also am nogunz
Ambitious

>>63903580
i'm an ak fag with 5 guns, and pretty soon 6 because i've been building one from a kit
actually its because i was so handy with drawing up the receiver for this new gun in cad that i was confident i could start designing frts

>>63903508
probably gonna send my cad files to a machine shop in bulk and then sell them
it would be nice to get a cnc machine to do it myself, but i dont have 10 grand to spare and i dont have high expectations for getting enough income from this to warrant it

>>63903817
also dont get me wrong, i dont intend to shit out low quality parts
i'll be thuroughly testing everything i make to be sure that they hold up to atleast 1k rounds

>>63901656
>I'm not entire sure what the 3D printed part is all about either.
First artical mock up.

>>63901857
>by this point it's genetic
True and genome pilled. It's a selectiv3 breeding program for freedom lovers vs sheeple.

>>63898440
>give me business name ideas
Crotch triggered.

>>63904101
Apparently it's some tool to help install the trigger.

https://www.suppressortools.com/products/michiguns-ltd-4348

ip law is dumb and you can see the negative effects everywhere in gun design. how many guns out there have some kind of mechanism that's just plain worse than one that already existed just because the original better one was patented? and then on the other hand how many times have you seen a company come out with product 1.0 and then completely shut out anyone trying to immediately produce product 1.1? the colt single action could have been made a decade earlier if they didn't have to wait for the rollins patent to expire.

>>63904422
i feel like with how abused patents are licenses should become a shall-issue with a set royalty rate that the patent owner can't deny
or something like forcing a patent to expire if they cant produce it for sale in a meaningful capacity within a year

>>63903457
>JAKL
Why.

>>63904422
>ip law is dumb
>socialized engineering design
Tell me you have never invented anything.

>>63898885
I was just being dramatic to spur discussion (: I would like to see it come in CPM-10V tool steel though.

>>63906112
>I was just being dramatic
Do girls mostly do that?

>>63863921
unironically, where do I get started with machining? none of the old shops where i live are still around and the ones that are are race parts retards with a chink who comes in to check machines.

>>63873705
its for the G43/43x/48

>>63906143
Mostly, yeah.

>>63906171
if you have the time for it look for community colleges with a program for it

>>63903316
unless they can get swapped over to machined s7 i aint buying shit, its fucking cast pigiron

Anywhere currently selling AK super safeties for non-rape prices? Skoprints and Deez Nutz are both out of stock.

>>63906770
See >>63896500.

What’s a good CHEAP cnc mill to CHEAPLY produce all manner of firearms parts? CHEAPLY speaking.

And it has to be small, I don’t have a lot of space.

>>63906986
if you want cheap but still ok haas. if you want cheap but you will hate it for being cheap tormach. keep in mind that "cheap" in this context still means 5 figures, and you will need 3 phase power for it.

>And it has to be small, I don’t have a lot of space.
lmao

>>63907086
Tormach mills only need single phase power thoughever.

>>63906986
small and cheap cnc mills dont do steel, so there isnt one unless all you wanna do is mill out 80 lowers
reason being that you really need a lot of weight and size for things to not break on steel
the real meta for homemade firearms parts is either PCBway, a cheap vertical mill, or ECM

>>63906986
>Cheap Mill
See pic....... These.
Hit the flea markets...
Make sure there stamped 'Made in the U.S.A.
The CNC part 'if available' is your brain.

>>63908300
>just file out an AR lower, bro
Dumbass.

>>63908316
I'm a retired Machinist by trade.
Newport News Shipbuilding.
Submarines.
You have a Skill issue.... Dumbass

>>63908316
dremels also exist

>>63908342
>Machinist by trade.
>Newport News Shipbuilding.
>Submarines.
You make a lot of subs using files and not mills? Liar.

>>63908552
I have heard of people using routers to do 80% lowers. They did look like shit, and were skill issues. Working as a corporate drone isn't a big qualification.

>>63908316
...yes? If that's all your dumpass has then it's 100% doable.

Machinists are fucking retards. A used Tormach will easily do slides, lowers, and anything else you could want to do as a beginner gunsmith. You are not going to be doing high volume production. You cannot compete in that aspect anyways.

You do not need a 6 figure Swiss 5axis. That’s Bossberg’s machine, not yours. You didn’t pay for it, and you didn’t run a profitable business.

I want to get the deez nuts ss trigger, should I get a complete trigger group or just the trigger assembly?

>>63910049
Also, anyone have any issues with these on an 20" barrel a2 butt? I have a colt ar15a2, it has a full auto fcg.

>>63910049
>Also, anyone have any issues with these on an 20" barrel a2 butt? I have a colt ar15a2, it has a full auto bcg.

Bought a rare breed 3 position frt. With an H1 buffer I get light strikes and with an H3 buffer I get failures to feed. I tried three different BCGs. Next week I'll pick up an H2 buffer and an adjustable gas block and try again.

Oh and if anybody has issues with closing the upper and lower, the hammer needs to be in the forward position or it'll stop a cunt hair from closing.

what happened to $20 bump stocks

>>63898636
kek

>>63908571
https://www.hookedonphonics.com/

>>63910061
I have a bear creek 20inch on rifle fixed stock. runs fine for me as is.

>>63910233
cant aim wit dat shi

>High 4 thousands order for selektor
>No useful updates just various reels of people using the selektor that don't actually give any info
>Message on Instagram
>Picrel
Not a very useful response desu but at least it was a quick response. I was hoping they would say what range they have been fulfilling lately because it's already been over a month. Are they in the 2000s? 3000s? Who knows..
Anyone gotten there's recently?

>>63910770

I ordered on May 18th, order #2472 and I emailed them on the 19th of June and got a response the next day that my order was 2-3 weeks out, I also asked for a range of the order numbers they were fulfilling but was only told a rough time estimate

>>63910770
>the Atrius nogs insta reply to people on Insta but ignore people who email them
Really makes me go hmmmm.

What the hell is that shiny piece?
>
This kit includes a Super Safety cam, redesigned db9 lever, pre-bent trip bar, precut curved trigger, and rounded detent.

>>63911281
By process of elimination that's the pre-bent trip bar.

>>63911320
I know dude but what is it, and why are they selling the ss with and without it.

https://youtu.be/f_0plJdiYpI?si=y79m6w1R5IIImF_t

https://youtu.be/TCCOE2Ur5mg?si=-E33DjlRAnc39o6y

https://youtu.be/i1ADTvaYhY4?si=lMjyLj_S8eoJ5uuF

>>63910924
thats just how zoomer run companies are now, expect this to become more of the norm as they start getting businesses up and running

>>63911331
probably because a db9 needs one to work with the super safety

>>63910792
>>63910924
Ordered May 22, sent them a message via the thing on their site so I don't know the exact date, but I still haven't received a reply from them. I get that they're a small company but God damn they should've have gotten my question at some point

>>63911483
God I hate zoomers.

>>63911577
Oh, they 100% got our messages, but getting an email doesn't trigger the social media notification icon that strokes their brainrot so we went ignored. Or worse yet, they got """anxiety""" from it, like getting an unexpected phone call from an unknown number, so they just closed their eyes and clicked 'Delete'.

How to increase the ROF on my PSA AK102 with super safety? I got it running decent, but it sorta chugs.

>>63906112
I agree it should almost certainly be a harder steel.
Mine is at 500 rounds so, no issues yet. I'll say the steel is good enough once it makes it 30k rounds

>>63910187
Interesting. Failures to feed due to the BCG not cycling far back enough, or not enough force on the way back in to feed correctly? What buffer spring? Adjustable gas might be good to have, especially if you're running a can.


>>63910770
I ordered on release day, May 16th or so. Order #600 or so.
I got mine June 14th or so, so 3-4 weeks later.
I had some issues with an 80% lower, I think I bent/broke my original lever trying to get it to run in an out of spec 80% lower. Atrius shipped me a replacement lever super fast, two days. Replacement lever is going strong, 500 rounds so far no issues, works well.

>>63911490
Oh I thought it was the part number, got so confused.

>>63912495
These guys are running h2 or h3 buffers.

I've seen SS's made out of a lot of different materials. I'm told 4140 steel is totally fine, but what material woild I want if I wanted a SS that would survive until the end of time? Some fancy tool steel?

>>63912594
They have d2 tool steel at deeznutstactical, link in ops post. And s7 steel.

Wait is D2 tool steel? I always assumed it was stainless

>>63912911
>is D2 tool steel
Technically yes, though it does have quite a high chromium content compared to other tool steels. Not quite as high as most true stainless steels, and it has more carbon content.

>>63912594
I believe AS Designs sells the strongest super safeties, CPM-10V.

https://activesafetydesigns.com/ar15/cpm-10v-ss-kit-dlc-black/

>>63912495
>Failures to feed due to the BCG not cycling far back enough, or not enough force on the way back in to feed correctly?
Bolt not going back far enough. I have two ar15s and didn't try the other upper because I didn't think to grab it when I left the house. I think both of the springs I have are mid length. I guess when I hit the store (I live 40 minutes away from the nearest gun store with a good selection so it's a pain in the ass) I'll get some different springs too.

>>63910187
What barrel length and gas system? H2 buffer would be next thing to try. Adjustable gas won't help anything if you are under gassed as you're already using the maximum amount of gas.
>hammer needs to be in the forward position or it'll stop a cunt hair from closing
Do you mean the lever? It doesn't matter for the hammer it can be in any position.
>>63913206
>both of the springs I have are mid length
brother what are you talking about. Do you mean gas system?

>>63913257
16 inch barrel, carbine length gas system (pretty sure but might be wrong, I am no expert)

In pic related on the left, the upper and lower will seat as normal. On the right, it will stop a hair from being seated and you'd have to put a thin blade in the gap and push the "sear" forward. I had two M16 bolt carriers and I thought maybe they were both out of spec so I bought a third and it still wouldn't close until I released the hammer. Of the bolt carriers I tried one was an aero, one was a faxon and I forget what the make on the third one is. On buffer springs, I have no idea how to differentiate between them so I have no idea what I have but I only tried one of them. I'm still kicking myself for not getting an H2 buffer weight when I was in the store last. I'll run out to the store and buy the H2 buffer tomorrow (rural appalachia, everywhere is closed on sundays)

>>63913910
forgot pic

>>63913910
oh nvm I'm retarded. You said FRT not SS. Disregard what I said about the hammer.

Asking about springs as there is no "mid length" buffer, just carbine and rifle length. There are three different types of buffer weights and extensions though.

You can tell if you have a rifle or carbine spring by counting the coils. You may want to measure the overall length too, if it's too worn out it could also be cause of the feeding issue. Replacing with a fresh spring is not a bad idea if you don't know how old it is.

>>63914149
There's not much info out there so I'm posting what I've been doing so others can see they need to be prepared to tune their rifles.

35 coils on the buffer spring, just under 11.5 inches.

>>63892824
Reach out in insta DM. I had the same problem because I was a day one order and there was such a flood of orders the system crashed and they have a back log
up to a point. Tbh their email response is shit but the insta DM is really quick. I've had mine for a couple weeks and its rips on my 14.5

>>63914431
I don't have Instagram though because I'm not a faggot :(

>>63914547
Oh sowwy, I guess you can be a no selektor faggot instead :(

>>63914554
>Meta - instagram to get your super selektor
>Meta - Quest VR for your ace VR
Meta fags keep winning while Tom still sitting at that desk all by himself

>>63914596
It’s quite funny that you bring up Meta. I have the rayban glasses, and took videos of mag dumps earlier today.

>>63914734
It’s an H&R 653, shooting LC M193 I experience bolt bounce. It’s got a Sprinco White, and an H2 buffer installed. Thinking about either stepping it up to H3, or buying a stronger spring.

>>63914745
Just get a JP silent captured spring

>>63914929
Does it work well?

>>63915163
Flawlessly. It sorts out a lot of issues with the AR in general. Extremely forgiving.

>>63890636
>he didn't buy a V7 lower to stick on his MWS upper
Your own fault, TO BE QUITE FRANK

>>63915876
Also high shelf, per my understanding.

>>63846265
Thats a 6 shot anon, let me fix that meme for you.

>>63915876
I have never heard of v seven, where did this Gucci company come from?

>>63915979
Guy who used to work for some other gucci company realized he could make more money with his own company and went heavy into titanium parts. Their AR-10 stuff leaves much to be desired, honestly.

>>63915916
Only SR-25 lower I know of that's not is american defense, but at 1K for a receiver set it's out of most anon's price range

>>63916267
Guess I should actually post the correct one. They make good stuff, but for AR-10s you are getting into boutique

>>63910233
drumphfstocks require a specific technique to do, FRTs are just legal full auto

>>63916033
>went heavy into
Largely "all into", their mag catch is steel, so don't waste your money on that. I think it is nickle plated, tho.

>>63876290
Hp lovcraft was a fag. You should know this, if you don't.

>>63917687
I was trying to make a joke, since their gimmick is lightweight parts. They have two kinds, one is titanium unless they're been lying and the other is anodized aluminum.
https://www.vsevenweaponsystems.com/lower-parts/v-seven-ti-mag-catch-release
I was unaware they were outright ripping people off and engaging in false advertising, though.

>>63876979
>Does a super safety/FRT exist for the PS90? Any relevant posts I can find are just "Oh one exists for the AUG and its basically the same as the P90 lol" but nothing helpful

Last I checked with the guy who made the Aug version was about six months to a year ago and he wasn't interested in looking at the P90 at that time but said it would be largely the same concept, someone would just have to work out specific dimensions and he doesn't own a P90 to do any of that with anyway. I haven't looked since then so don't know if anyone has taken on the project. Didn't seem like that guy wanted to get involved in it.

If there is an option out there then keep in mind it likely will require some drilling on your stock. If you want to keep your factory stock unmolested you'll either need to print a replacement or buy a second stock (a little over $500 because FN doesn't sell them, Promoted Pawn parts out new rifles to get them).

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>>63918546
Sounds like you should have baked a new bread before this one was capped and on page 10.

>>63918618
I like how your take away to other people's incompetence is that I need to pick up their slack. You sound like my boss. Is your name Eric by chance?

>>63918660
My name is Eric but I don't think I'm your boss, your name isn't Jacob right?

>>63918935
No. My boss is actually a noguns cuck. Carry on other Eric.